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Dani's Red Nose
Oct 3rd, 2007, 08:29 PM
Have you noticed how many players are faster at the back of the court, running, from side to side. Than they are running forwards.

It was very noticeable during the Tatiana Golovin versus Anna Chakvedatze match this afternoon. When both players were covering the back of the match the could reach much shots but when they had to move in a forward direction, say, to a drop shot, both were less mobile.

One more thing about this match. Both players were sweating profusely and Anna looked quite flushed. Iím guessing that the temperature is way too high.

Donny
Oct 3rd, 2007, 08:38 PM
I think of it like this.

Strafing side to side is an unnatural activity- it's mostly learned. How well a player moves side to side has as much to do with training and practice as physical. Running forward, however, is a completely athletic talent.

The difference between how well two players can cover the baseline is always going to be much smaller than how well two players can sprint.

Also- the distance fro mbaseline to net is greater than from sideline to sideline. Of course you can cover the baseline better than you can reach a drop shot.

GoDominique
Oct 3rd, 2007, 08:41 PM
It's a women's thing.

No, I am serious.

The Daviator
Oct 3rd, 2007, 08:41 PM
Lindsay is someone who can move well side-to-side when she wants to, but forwards :spit:

Dani's Red Nose
Oct 3rd, 2007, 08:42 PM
It's a women's thing.

No, I am serious.

You mean like, the way they throw the ball?

Olůrin
Oct 3rd, 2007, 08:44 PM
I think of it like this.

Strafing side to side is an unnatural activity- it's mostly learned. How well a player moves side to side has as much to do with training and practice as physical. Running forward, however, is a completely athletic talent.

The difference between how well two players can cover the baseline is always going to be much smaller than how well two players can sprint.

Also- the distance fro mbaseline to net is greater than from sideline to sideline. Of course you can cover the baseline better than you can reach a drop shot.

Yes, I agree. Serena is always better moving forward, as she is naturally athletic and can sprint if she needs to. But side to side, she is at the moment fairly vulnerable. Imo, this is due to sloppy footwork as much as anything, and lack of match practice and general practice probably.

Dani's Red Nose
Oct 3rd, 2007, 08:48 PM
I was very interested by this today, so much so, I got a friend to mine to time me running. Firstly in a straight line, secondly, side to side.

***WARNING*** To other posters at home who might be contemplating reinacting the same scenario. I am quite athletic, so running came naturally to me. Any person who is unfit come harm themselves physically without the correct supervision.

So, the results were interesting. Running in a straight line, I was 0.98 seconds slower than I was, running cross court.

John.
Oct 3rd, 2007, 08:54 PM
Lindsay is someone who can move well side-to-side when she wants to, but forwards :spit:

Lindsay and Mary Pierce were the 2 players I thought of when I saw this thread title

supergrunt
Oct 3rd, 2007, 08:56 PM
Jusinte... it seems like whenever someone hits a drop shot or a drop volley she never gets it.

danieln1
Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:17 PM
Lindsay and Monica run better from side to side!

Tennisstar86
Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:28 PM
think about it like this.... Side ways.... you have wing span....going forward to also lose a little bit of time pushing off from the back... Not to mention most players are expecting to rally, not run up to get a drop shot.. so your either already leaning int he right direction or leaning so you push off of that side to get cross court. Really it just makes since. Think about it like this.... If you play tennis chances are you breath much harder when your forced to come into the net than when you move side to side. Which is why most people this days are just baseliners... as it takes less energy...

gaggleguy
Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:38 PM
I think of it like this.

Strafing side to side is an unnatural activity- it's mostly learned. How well a player moves side to side has as much to do with training and practice as physical. Running forward, however, is a completely athletic talent.

The difference between how well two players can cover the baseline is always going to be much smaller than how well two players can sprint.

Also- the distance fro mbaseline to net is greater than from sideline to sideline. Of course you can cover the baseline better than you can reach a drop shot.


its not totally correct

running forward to the net in tennis is also quite technical skill because you must also use proper footwork to prepare to hit the ball. But I agree its more about athletic ability than side to side.

Henin, Mauresmo, and Serena are all particlarly skilled in moving forward. Not a coincidence, that they are some of the top players. Chakvetadze and Janko are great movers side to side, but they have 1 dimenstional game because they dont move forward very well.

spencercarlos
Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:40 PM
Jusinte... it seems like whenever someone hits a drop shot or a drop volley she never gets it.
Yes Jusinte sucks :bounce:

Donny
Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:43 PM
Yes Jusinte sucks :bounce:

http://www.utexas.edu/nursing/nancy/avcatalog/subjabcul.html

Jusinte Chitsena, a 4-year-old from Laos, has an atrial septal defect which her doctors feels hould be repaired by surgery. Her mother is considering the operation but her grandmother is opposed.

What a horrible thing to say.

AcesHigh
Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:56 PM
Two different skills. Moving forward also takes shot recognition, proper footwork and good technique when striking the ball.

For example, Venus is probably the best on tour running side-to-side and she can also get to net quickly. HOWEVER, she is not very good when it's time to prepare for a stroke or when she meets the ball. Watch her try to come in to take a ball out of the air for a volley.. she could use some work on this as she usually continues to move forward rather than stopping, often causing the ball to go long.

supergrunt
Oct 3rd, 2007, 11:04 PM
Yes Jusinte sucks :bounce:

I didn't say that. :(

spencercarlos
Oct 3rd, 2007, 11:13 PM
I didn't say that. :(
Ok Jusinte sucks running dropshots.

supergrunt
Oct 3rd, 2007, 11:19 PM
Ok Jusinte sucks running dropshots.

I didn't say that.

shap_half
Oct 3rd, 2007, 11:23 PM
Jusinte... it seems like whenever someone hits a drop shot or a drop volley she never gets it.

This is just a boldface lie!

Dawn Marie
Oct 3rd, 2007, 11:23 PM
Venus is good running forward. Serena is too.

Kim was good and Jennifer Cap.

supergrunt
Oct 3rd, 2007, 11:28 PM
This is just a boldface lie!

Ok well, whenever some one hits a drop shot or drop volley against Justine, she usually does not win the point. Look at any match. Obviously there will be a few exceptions, but she loses the majority of the points... just an observation... geez. :(

Donny
Oct 4th, 2007, 12:03 AM
Ok well, whenever some one hits a drop shot or drop volley against Justine, she usually does not win the point. Look at any match. Obviously there will be a few exceptions, but she loses the majority of the points... just an observation... geez. :(

Actually, in the FO semi, Justine countered a Jankovic drop shot with an either better dropshot... twice.

Mephisto
Oct 4th, 2007, 01:55 AM
Ok well, whenever some one hits a drop shot or drop volley against Justine, she usually does not win the point. Look at any match. Obviously there will be a few exceptions, but she loses the majority of the points... just an observation... geez. :(

She wins the majority of drop shots against her ... she's very fast moving to the net ... she's one of the best movers in general ...

aussie_fan
Oct 4th, 2007, 02:07 AM
Isn't that one of the reason there isn't as many serve and volleyers (especially in the mens) is the fact players move faster side-to side now.

AcesHigh
Oct 4th, 2007, 05:40 AM
Isn't that one of the reason there isn't as many serve and volleyers (especially in the mens) is the fact players move faster side-to side now.

The ball comes back with much more pace right now. Watch Henman try to serve-and-volley (well, it's too late since he's retired). Unless you're excellent at it, or unless your facing a poor opponent..the ball will often pass you before you can even gain a good position at net, or it will be at your feet before you can even reach the net. Even a great S&V player such as HEnman often sees that strategy nullified by the quicker, harder returns these days with more and more spin. It just seems easier to flick a passing or dipping shot.

Also, a lot of players just don't have the net skills of previous generations.

faboozadoo15
Oct 4th, 2007, 05:50 AM
I think of it like this.

Strafing side to side is an unnatural activity- it's mostly learned. How well a player moves side to side has as much to do with training and practice as physical. Running forward, however, is a completely athletic talent.

The difference between how well two players can cover the baseline is always going to be much smaller than how well two players can sprint.

Also- the distance fro mbaseline to net is greater than from sideline to sideline. Of course you can cover the baseline better than you can reach a drop shot.

I agree with you on everything except the 'athleticism and moving forward' point which you made. If moving forward is completely athletic, how is it that Davenport closes the net more quickly and better than chakvetadze. Surely Chaky would kick Lindsay's ass in any run.

Rushing the net is not just a sprint. It's about recognizing the opportunity to close the point out and a few explosive steps followed by an even more important split step and anticipation of where the pass is coming. Hesitation mars even the most athletic and fast girls when moving forward.

hingisGOAT
Oct 4th, 2007, 05:53 AM
Venus is good running forward. Serena is too.

Kim was good and Jennifer Cap.

Yeah I remember Jennifer tracking down an amazing drop shot from Hingis in the AO '01 final :eek:. That girl could run...

Wannabeknowitall
Oct 4th, 2007, 06:19 AM
Lindsay is someone who can move well side-to-side when she wants to, but forwards :spit:

I disagree a bit.
Lindsay is a better move to net on HER terms than she is from side-to-side on her terms.

When she has to move to play defense, she's a better mover from side to side.

I think that happens with a lot of players.

With some players though, their willingness to move towards net even on their terms is suspect.

Oddly of all the top 25 players it's Martina Hingis who IMO doesn't come in enough on her terms.
I think it's really hurting her game now.

Ntour
Oct 4th, 2007, 07:00 AM
Ok well, whenever some one hits a drop shot or drop volley against Justine, she usually does not win the point. Look at any match. Obviously there will be a few exceptions, but she loses the majority of the points... just an observation... geez. :(

how many matches have you seen justine play, because this is generally untrue, she wins a lot of points off of dropshots and even let cords running towards the net. and usually comes up with a nice angled shot

fufuqifuqishahah
Oct 4th, 2007, 07:47 AM
I was very interested by this today, so much so, I got a friend to mine to time me running. Firstly in a straight line, secondly, side to side.

***WARNING*** To other posters at home who might be contemplating reinacting the same scenario. I am quite athletic, so running came naturally to me. Any person who is unfit come harm themselves physically without the correct supervision.

:haha:


So, the results were interesting. Running in a straight line, I was 0.98 seconds slower than I was, running cross court.
how did you control the measurements?

Dani's Red Nose
Oct 4th, 2007, 09:59 PM
:haha:


how did you control the measurements?

I donít quite understand what you mean. How did I control the measurements?

I ran the same distance, in both directions. Does this help?:) I had a two friends time me.

Today, I experimented a little more on this hypothesis. First, I ran without my racquet and I was 1.24 seconds faster. Then, I ran with my left hand tied behind my back (Iím right handed so returning the ball wouldnít be necessarily difficult) and was 2.09 seconds slower. When I tied my right hand behind my back I was 3.47 seconds slower. So oneís equilibrium must come into the equation.

***WARNING*** To my fellow posters: This experiment was carried out under complete supervision. In a controlled environment.

rottweily
Oct 4th, 2007, 10:54 PM
Supergrunt you are soo funny :lol:

supergrunt
Oct 4th, 2007, 11:25 PM
:( Ok nevermind.. Justine is so great. She is really good. I was just criticizing her because I am just stupid. :mad: