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Mightymirza
Oct 3rd, 2007, 12:36 AM
Discuss..

Mightymirza
Oct 3rd, 2007, 12:40 AM
Even though Ju has a YEC and some titles indoors, I think Grass would suit much better her style..Mainly nerves and a very short grasss season have resulted in inability to win wimbledon..I heard somewhere, she particularly doesnt like indoors much..

Rtael
Oct 3rd, 2007, 01:14 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that it's indoor hardcourts/carpet. Her grass record could be better obviously, but her record on indoor is pretty abysmal when compared with other top players' records.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Oct 3rd, 2007, 01:37 AM
It has to be Carpet (Indoors) - when was the last time she won it? (Note: YEC is indoors, but since it isn't a carpet, it doesn't count)

Nicolás89
Oct 3rd, 2007, 01:44 AM
it has to be indoor carpet
and i think slow hardcourts are her second best surface after clay, she won dubai multiple times including this year, doha, sydney, toronto, australia all are slow hardcourts :shrug:

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 3rd, 2007, 01:53 AM
Statistically (and realistically), it's carpet:

* only one title (without facing a top-10 player)
* not impressive (for player of her level) win-loss record - 28-16
* disastrous combined record vs Top-10 players - 0-9
* equally bad record against GS champions she played on the surface - 0-8 (Seles 0-2; Serena 0-1; Venus 0-1; Davenport 0-1; Clijsters 0-2; Myskina 0-1)

thrust
Oct 3rd, 2007, 01:56 AM
She also won the USO twice on fast hard courts. I think that, today, indoor hard courts are ideal for her game as there is no wind or sun to interfere with serving and shot making.

spencercarlos
Oct 3rd, 2007, 02:01 AM
Statistically (and realistically), it's carpet:

* only one title (without facing a top-10 player)
* not impressive (for player of her level) win-loss record - 28-16
* disastrous combined record vs Top-10 players - 0-9
* equally bad record against GS champions she played on the surface - 0-8 (Seles 0-2; Serena 0-1; Venus 0-1; Davenport 0-1; Clijsters 0-2; Myskina 0-1)
Considering she has played all but 4 matches on this surface since 2003 (and none after that year) it does not really means much by today.
Henin´s worst surface is grass, she is not confortable at it, at least that´s the surface where she is more vulnerable at.

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 3rd, 2007, 02:08 AM
Considering she has played all but 4 matches on this surface since 2003 (and none after that year) it does not really means much by today.
Henin´s worst surface is grass, she is not confortable at it, at least that´s the surface where she is more vulnerable at.

:weirdo:
It's quite obvious Henin played more carpet court tournaments than grass court ones. And we're talking about overall achievements, I supposed...
And btw, she played Paris Indoors this year and lost to Safarova.

Mightymirza
Oct 3rd, 2007, 02:14 AM
it has to be indoor carpet
and i think slow hardcourts are her second best surface after clay, she won dubai multiple times including this year, doha, sydney, toronto, australia all are slow hardcourts :shrug:

I dint know what to put as 3rd option :o

Rtael
Oct 3rd, 2007, 02:28 AM
:weirdo:
It's quite obvious Henin played more carpet court tournaments than grass court ones. And we're talking about overall achievements, I supposed...
And btw, she played Paris Indoors this year and lost to Safarova.


In all fairness to Justine, that was her first tournament of the year, and Safarova was playing quite well (for once).

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 3rd, 2007, 02:44 AM
In all fairness to Justine, that was her first tournament of the year, and Safarova was playing quite well (for once).

Regardless of loss to Safarova, ALL numbers say carpet is Henin's worst surface. C'mon, 0-9 vs Top-10, 0-8 vs GS champions on carpet...
She reached two Wimbledon finals and won Eastbourne twice, how could grass be her worst surface?

Rtael
Oct 3rd, 2007, 02:53 AM
Regardless of loss to Safarova, ALL numbers say carpet is Henin's worst surface. C'mon, 0-9 vs Top-10, 0-8 vs GS champions on carpet...
She reached two Wimbledon finals and won Eastbourne twice, how could grass be her worst surface?


I already agreed with that, lol, I'm just saying that the Paris tournament isn't a good example to show that.

Serenidad.
Oct 3rd, 2007, 03:14 AM
:weirdo:
It's quite obvious Henin played more carpet court tournaments than grass court ones. And we're talking about overall achievements, I supposed...
And btw, she played Paris Indoors this year and lost to Safarova.

You miss the fact that Justine will always be at a disadvantage to big hitters/serves on an indoor carpet. I'm not necessarily saying it is a huge disadvantage or that she can never be the favorite, but she is uncomfortable on the fastest surfaces of the tour. However, she has learned to cope and overcome with her mental toughness and adjusting her game.

Mightymirza
Oct 3rd, 2007, 03:51 AM
You miss the fact that Justine will always be at a disadvantage to big hitters/serves on an indoor carpet. I'm not necessarily saying it is a huge disadvantage or that she can never be the favorite, but she is uncomfortable on the fastest surfaces of the tour. However, she has learned to cope and overcome with her mental toughness and adjusting her game.

Umm hello,shes one of the fastest hitters on the tour at the moment..:silly: anyways it depends on how well she can move around the court..

Renalicious
Oct 3rd, 2007, 03:51 AM
Carpet.

evan2907
Oct 3rd, 2007, 06:04 AM
Clay > Grass > Hard > Carpet

Juju4ever
Oct 3rd, 2007, 06:57 AM
It has to be the Grass. The bounce there is so inconsistent, that's not good for her.

MistyGrey
Oct 3rd, 2007, 07:16 AM
Carpet. But she hasnt played a lot on it.

Junex
Oct 3rd, 2007, 08:12 AM
Is it Ice....cuz she never played on that surface yet....
:devil:

CORIA01
Oct 3rd, 2007, 09:33 AM
Probably Hard;)

yicheng23
Oct 3rd, 2007, 09:53 AM
based on records, indoor-carpet
anyway, she does hv a bit trouble with lights since she's using contact lenses

DimaDinosaur
Oct 3rd, 2007, 09:56 AM
Pierre Yves Hardenne

Holden Caulfield
Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:00 AM
Pierre Yves Hardenne

:worship: :worship: :tape: :lol: :lol:

Helaena
Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:12 AM
based on stats, probably indoor carpet...but i really can't tell coz she's not playing so much on that surface though...

i always believe that juju is good on grass and its only a matter of time that juju will "solidly" confirm that by winning wimbledon...


:kiss:

Shepster
Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:18 AM
It has to be the Grass. The bounce there is so inconsistent, that's not good for her.
Then why has she won tournaments like Eastbourne and Rosmalen which have less consistent grass than Wimbledon nowadays (which is more consistent than you'd think, ask Rafa Nadal)? She's 8-0 at Eastbourne with over half of those matches being against top 20 players. She's 27-7 at Wimbledon making the semis 3 times and the final twice. Her win %age on grass is second only to clay.

williams.i.am
Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:28 AM
grass! c'mon now. lol

Forehand_Volley
Oct 3rd, 2007, 12:15 PM
Henin has won many more tournaments on hardcourt than other surfaces.

Henin has a better winning percentage on clay.

Henin has a great winning percentage on grass.

Henin's worst surfaces by wins and percentage is indoor carpet.

Beny
Oct 3rd, 2007, 01:19 PM
I think grass suits her game well..

but she is not impressive on indoor carpet.so that's it

GracefulVenus
Oct 3rd, 2007, 01:30 PM
I would say carpet also. I actually believe she can win Wimbledon and is now an all surface player.

Rtael
Oct 8th, 2007, 05:13 AM
Well, she's improving now anyway. :)

CJ07
Oct 8th, 2007, 07:02 AM
she doesn't really have a "worst" surface. she can play well (and win) on anything