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Sam L
Sep 28th, 2007, 03:14 AM
http://news.scotsman.com/internation...?id=1549412007 (http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1549412007)

China has failed to act in Burma, Darfur and has its own shameful secrets in its own country and Tibet.

2008 is when they desperately want to shine on the world stage but it's a chance for the world to humiliate China and stand up and say NO! to the country.

I say bring on the boycotts and let's make this the WORST games ever.

They don't deserve it. Besides their athletes will be drugged up.

LoveFifteen
Sep 28th, 2007, 03:16 AM
Maybe China should ban all countries that have participated in the Iraq war? :shrug:

I don't think China would be ashamed at all if the entire world boycotted their Olympics. Shit, then Peng Shuai and Sun Tian Tian might actually avoid execution by winning a medal. :tape:

drake3781
Sep 28th, 2007, 03:48 AM
I understand that China is the one country that can improve the situation in Burma/Myanmar, but will not do so. I am concerned about this. As a non-democracy, it's very unfortunate that this is the only country that would have impact. I hope something will happen to restore democracy. I don't know what the average world citizen can do.

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 28th, 2007, 03:49 AM
I don't see any problem with Olympics games in China. Are chinese people evil because of their government? They don't deserve to have the chance to see athletes competing?

ys
Sep 28th, 2007, 04:07 AM
I don't see any problem with Olympics games in China. Are chinese people evil because of their government? They don't deserve to have the chance to see athletes competing?

They do.. But Olympics are a competition between free people.. And any Olympics are not a property of a single country. I am a huge Olympic fan but I am not interested whatsoever in Olympics held by a cruel dictatorship. I can pass on Bejing, easily.. Bring on Vancouver and London.

Paneru
Sep 28th, 2007, 04:50 AM
They do.. But Olympics are a competition between free people.. And any Olympics are not a property of a single country. I am a huge Olympic fan but I am not interested whatsoever in Olympics held by a cruel dictatorship. I can pass on Bejing, easily.. Bring on Vancouver and London.

ITA!

What is more improtant, denying the Chinese people
the full joy of an Olympic Games or denying the
people of Darfur a chance to live?

kittyking
Sep 28th, 2007, 05:41 AM
Im not a big fan of China, but its just a matter of time til they are the worlds superpower in terms of greatest economy and military power. The reality is that if governments forbid their athletes to go to the Beijing Olympics than its not only hurting their athletes but its also hurting their economy in the long run.

Note: I was certainly not in favor of Beijing winning the 08 Olympics, it would have been far better to be in another part of Asia

Scotso
Sep 28th, 2007, 08:06 AM
The Olympics are supposed to be a time when we put political and social divisions behind us in the spirit of fair and friendly competition. Trying to use it as a tool to "humiliate" China serves no purpose other than to gratify the egos of a lot of self-important people.

Mateo Mathieu
Sep 28th, 2007, 09:26 AM
It won't change anything, mate. They will still going on no matter what.

The only power to do that is IOC, not you guys.

Epigone
Sep 28th, 2007, 09:33 AM
They do.. But Olympics are a competition between free people.. And any Olympics are not a property of a single country. I am a huge Olympic fan but I am not interested whatsoever in Olympics held by a cruel dictatorship. I can pass on Bejing, easily.. Bring on Vancouver and London.Did the USA do the right thing by leading a boycott of the Olympics in 1980?

BUBI
Sep 28th, 2007, 09:49 AM
The Olympics are supposed to be a time when we put political and social divisions behind us in the spirit of fair and friendly competition. Trying to use it as a tool to "humiliate" China serves no purpose other than to gratify the egos of a lot of self-important people.
Agreed :yeah:

Goai
Sep 28th, 2007, 11:46 AM
The Olympics are supposed to be a time when we put political and social divisions behind us in the spirit of fair and friendly competition. Trying to use it as a tool to "humiliate" China serves no purpose other than to gratify the egos of a lot of self-important people.

Couldn't have said it better. Also, I'm just about sick of the Sinophobia (anti-Chinese sentiment) of this board.

Pasta-Na
Sep 28th, 2007, 01:54 PM
http://news.scotsman.com/internation...?id=1549412007 (http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1549412007)

China has failed to act in Burma, Darfur and has its own shameful secrets in its own country and Tibet.

2008 is when they desperately want to shine on the world stage but it's a chance for the world to humiliate China and stand up and say NO! to the country.
I say bring on the boycotts and let's make this the WORST games ever.

They don't deserve it. Besides their athletes will be drugged up.

:weirdo: :rolleyes:

ys
Sep 28th, 2007, 03:10 PM
Did the USA do the right thing by leading a boycott of the Olympics in 1980?

The only thing that they did wrong, was postponing the boycott announcement to save LP Olympics. That was shameful. Other than that, what was happening in Moscow in 1980 has as much to with Olympics as football matches held between inmates on prison field.

Philbo
Sep 28th, 2007, 03:24 PM
http://news.scotsman.com/internation...?id=1549412007 (http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1549412007)

China has failed to act in Burma, Darfur and has its own shameful secrets in its own country and Tibet.

2008 is when they desperately want to shine on the world stage but it's a chance for the world to humiliate China and stand up and say NO! to the country.

I say bring on the boycotts and let's make this the WORST games ever.

They don't deserve it. Besides their athletes will be drugged up.

Maybe if you held Israel to the same standards you hold China in relation to human rights, your post might have some merit..

as it stands your post is just the ramblings of an absolute hypocrite.

ys
Sep 28th, 2007, 03:41 PM
Maybe if you held Israel to the same standards you hold China in relation to human rights, your post might have some merit..

You are either a desperately lefty, or you are truly clueless.. Comparing a true democracy to a true dictatorship in terms of human rights is just beyond normal human brain..

pancake
Sep 28th, 2007, 03:44 PM
Sam L, why the hell do you jump on everything bad related to China when you get a chance?

Fingon
Sep 28th, 2007, 03:47 PM
I don't see any problem with Olympics games in China. Are chinese people evil because of their government? They don't deserve to have the chance to see athletes competing?


if you think the games are for the "people" you are sorely mistaken.

The olympics are a political game for the Chineses, a showcase of the evolution of Chinese economy and society. They have cleaned up the mess they don't want people to see, they will see a staged Beijing and portrait it as an image of China.

The vast majority of Chinese people don't care/know about the games and most of them won't be able to attend or even watch them on tv.

Their goverment has clearly a chance to showcase in international forums, that's that's what it is about.

Fingon
Sep 28th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Maybe China should ban all countries that have participated in the Iraq war? :shrug:


hmm, China cannot ban any country from attending, it's up to IOC, not China.


and, think a little, China doesn't want to apply sanctions to Iran, Sudan or Myamnar only because it has strong economic interest in them.

Then, do you really think China would ban the United States or Japan from participating in the olympics? California alone is bigger for them than Sudan, Myamnar and Iran.

Without the US and Western Europe buying Chinese made goods like maniacs and without their investments the Chinese economy would collapse.

Philbo
Sep 28th, 2007, 04:01 PM
You are either a desperately lefty, or you are truly clueless.. Comparing a true democracy to a true dictatorship in terms of human rights is just beyond normal human brain..

Democracy/Dictatorship - Both Israel and China are guilty of many human right violations..

ys
Sep 28th, 2007, 04:03 PM
Democracy/Dictatorship - Both Israel and China are guilty of many human right violations..

Sorry, I am not going to get dragged into discussing this nonsense..

samsung101
Sep 28th, 2007, 04:14 PM
Just thinking of the Kite Runner - the small piece where the father comments
on what Jimmy Carter did when the Russians invaded Afghanistan - he boycotted
the Olympics. Big deal was the Afghan born fathers thought, they roll in tanks
and kill people, and he says we won't swim with you.

A boycott is meaningless. The Olympics are full of drug assisted athletes competing
for money and national honor - and the money and gifts that come w/that. The Chinese
athletes that do well, will be rewarded one way or another.

Let the tv cameras in, show us the good, the fake, and ask a few times, about the
horrible things going on there....it may be all the insight we get for years to come
from China.



Do you know what Mao did to create his perfect Communist society?
Read a real book. Not just a Google or Wikipedia description of what
Mao and the Communists did for decades, being cheered on largely by
the intellectual left of the world.


Ask the millions and millions who were killed by his regime...oh wait,
you can't, they're dead. The intellectual slaughter, the physical movement
of millions, the jails, the prisons, the political murders, killing baby girls
who were not and are not as wanted as male babies, ask Tibet how they feel.


Israel and China - you want to compare a billion people, a huge nation, one that
has like the old Soviet Union, physically taken over other nations and people,
and banned religions and free thought. With a nation the size of a pea, that has
welcomed in people who by background and religion hate Jews, and given many the
right to vote. That comparison?

Israel has many faults, as does every single nation in the world, but, you cannot
for one second compare what it has done or does to what China has done, or is doing
right noww in terms of human rights and freedom.

Amazing.

HippityHop
Sep 28th, 2007, 04:21 PM
Someone once said that most of the evil done in the world is done by people who want to make the world a perfect place.

Mao did not get up in the morning thinking, "what evil acts can I do today?" Neither did Pol Pot nor Hitler, nor Stalin nor Osama Bin Laden.
They all had/have a vision of a perfect society. If they had to kill millions to achieve it, what does it matter?

Unfortunately this world will never be perfect. Maybe each generation will be able to make it a tiny bit better but that's all that can be hoped for.

Sam L
Sep 28th, 2007, 06:26 PM
Maybe if you held Israel to the same standards you hold China in relation to human rights, your post might have some merit..

as it stands your post is just the ramblings of an absolute hypocrite.

You are so stupid. I'm glad that other people in this thread have pointed out to you that there's no comparison between the two.

You are so brainwashed it's not even funny. And another sad fact is that you bite the hand that feeds you. You don't deserve to live in a western country like the UK(?). Maybe you should move somewhere where you can befriend brainwashed people who share the same sentiments you have against US and Israel.

Trust me, you won't like it there. :rolleyes:

LeonHart
Sep 28th, 2007, 07:38 PM
I really do hope countries boycott China's Olympic games. The Chinese government does not symbolize peace and prosperity that the Olympics are suppose to symbolize. I'm angered the Chinese are supporting terrorist nations. I'm angered the Chinese are shipping products that are harming thousands of Americans. I'm angered that their government put a blockade on all free speech in their own nation.

I'm sure you have all never watched Chinese news from China, but they are only allowed to broadcast good news about their country and/or government. This is completely trying to brainwash their entire country, it's not right. If this keeps up it'll be "1986" I have no doubt.

Kart
Sep 28th, 2007, 07:46 PM
Besides their athletes will be drugged up.

Distinguishing them from athletes of other countries how exactly ?

China's not the only country out there that has made questionable decisions.

Scotso
Sep 28th, 2007, 08:30 PM
I really do hope countries boycott China's Olympic games. The Chinese government does not symbolize peace and prosperity that the Olympics are suppose to symbolize. I'm angered the Chinese are supporting terrorist nations. I'm angered the Chinese are shipping products that are harming thousands of Americans. I'm angered that their government put a blockade on all free speech in their own nation.

I'm sure you have all never watched Chinese news from China, but they are only allowed to broadcast good news about their country and/or government. This is completely trying to brainwash their entire country, it's not right. If this keeps up it'll be "1986" I have no doubt.

China isn't the first, nor will it be the last, government with dirty hands to host the Olympics. No country is beyond rebuke, the Olympics have never been held in a period of "peace and prosperity" because we've never had such a thing on Earth.

Scotso
Sep 28th, 2007, 08:32 PM
Distinguishing them from athletes of other countries how exactly ?

China's not the only country out there that has made questionable decisions.

Unfortunately those "questionable decisions" are the rule and not the exception.

Scotso
Sep 28th, 2007, 08:33 PM
I also find it odd that no one thinks having the Olympics in China will actually help the situation and people there. Sure, it's only a small period, and I'm positive their government will be keeping a close eye on everything.... but still, having that many foreigners in China will force them change some of their ways. It's hard to control what outsiders know about your country when they're freely walking the streets.

Vamos.
Sep 28th, 2007, 08:46 PM
Couldn't have said it better. Also, I'm just about sick of the Sinophobia (anti-Chinese sentiment) of this board.

What do you expect when the treat their players like slaves?:shrug:

Kart
Sep 28th, 2007, 09:42 PM
Unfortunately those "questionable decisions" are the rule and not the exception.

Welcome to WTAworld.

LoveFifteen
Sep 28th, 2007, 10:23 PM
Sorry, I am not going to get dragged into discussing this nonsense..

I'm sure the last 50 little girls blown to bits by Isreali rockets appreciate your restraint. :o

ys
Sep 28th, 2007, 11:03 PM
I also find it odd that no one thinks having the Olympics in China will actually help the situation and people there. Sure, it's only a small period, and I'm positive their government will be keeping a close eye on everything.... but still, having that many foreigners in China will force them change some of their ways. It's hard to control what outsiders know about your country when they're freely walking the streets.

Scott.. Saw that, know what is that.. Again, speaking from Moscow-1980 experience.. I was rather little back then, but I have a good memory. The city was put under total control. Young people, students were recommended, some - forced to leave the city for suburbs or elsewhere. Adults were handed a state-sponsored trips to other areas of the country. The city was made to look good, not really crowded, for two weeks at huge expense of all surrounding areas. The number of present foreigners - was never really significant. They made sure of that with appropriate pricing policies. And the city was as free as a city under control of 100K (secret ) police force can be. I aam quite sure, that not only Bejing will be very much alike. A slightly more open situation in the city could well be used by authorities to expose and mark all potential troublemakers for the regime.

ico4498
Sep 28th, 2007, 11:55 PM
link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21025659/)

China bans push up bra ads. nope, no Olympics for 'em.

also included among the banned ...

"low-brow and base" commercials for sex toys and those featuring famous people or experts attesting to the efficacy of medicines ... reality shows featuring sex changes and plastic surgery and banning talent contests during prime-time ...

where's the fun Tian Jin?

Volcana
Sep 29th, 2007, 12:30 AM
Comparing a true democracy to a true dictatorship in terms 'of human rights is just beyond normal human brain..That's brings up two points that really deserve their own threads.

a) Is Israel a 'true democracy'?

One might make the point that American politicans and commentators and history books routinely referred to Aparthied South Africa as a democracy. That didn't make it one. The USA, when founded, denied the right to vote to a majority of the people who lived there. Blacks couldn't vote. Women couldn't vote. Was the USA then a 'true democracy'?

And if you only have to be partially a democracy to be called one, Iran qualifies.

b) 'the normal human brain'

Is there such a thing?

Ellery
Sep 29th, 2007, 12:50 AM
What do you expect when the treat their players like slaves?:shrug:

Just because the tennis system has many problems does not mean the same goes for every sport. For example, it is known that the Chinese gymnastics team is one big family, and the coaches treats the gymnasts like their own kids. :)

Volcana
Sep 29th, 2007, 12:50 AM
Olympic boycotts

1976 - 25 to 30 African countries, in opposition in apartheid
1980 - USA and some allies, in opposition to invasion of Afghanistan (should we boycott ourselves now?:))
1984 - USSR and some allies - citing 'security concerns', although there was some tit-for-tat in this. The USA marginalized the Moscow games, so the USSR marginalized the L.A. games.

As for China and Darfur, China and Myanmar, while I would like them to do something to end the carnage in both places, the USA has the ability to do so without them. I can't condemn the Chinese for not solving a problem that we could solve, but won't.

A boycott's fine, if the right countries boycott. If the Asia-Pacific countries show up, China won't care what the USA does. The show isn't for us.

drake3781
Sep 29th, 2007, 01:30 AM
Couldn't have said it better. Also, I'm just about sick of the Sinophobia (anti-Chinese sentiment) of this board.

I really object to the use of this term. Feel free to read comments about China's policies and defend them if you wish, but to attribute them to Fear of China is both simplistic and condescending.

Crazy Canuck
Sep 29th, 2007, 02:02 AM
The Olympics are supposed to be a time when we put political and social divisions behind us in the spirit of fair and friendly competition. Trying to use it as a tool to "humiliate" China serves no purpose other than to gratify the egos of a lot of self-important people.

Agreed.

While boycotting would certainly be an insult to China, the games will still go on. The people most hurt by this will be those athletes who have trained most of their lives away to compete in an Olympics that their government has taken away from them. Let them go.

Crazy Canuck
Sep 29th, 2007, 02:06 AM
if you think the games are for the "people" you are sorely mistaken.

The olympics are a political game for the Chineses, a showcase of the evolution of Chinese economy and society. They have cleaned up the mess they don't want people to see, they will see a staged Beijing and portrait it as an image of China.

The vast majority of Chinese people don't care/know about the games and most of them won't be able to attend or even watch them on tv.

Their goverment has clearly a chance to showcase in international forums, that's that's what it is about.

Well put.

I still don't support a boycott of any kind, but this is exactly what these games will be about... and a lot of people will probably buy into it.

njnetswill
Sep 29th, 2007, 02:21 AM
I'm wondering how many people commenting about the Chinese people have actually visited the country. :rolleyes:

I have already voiced my opinion on potential boycotts of the Chinese games. If anything it punishes the Chinese people, not the CCP.

Crazy Canuck
Sep 29th, 2007, 02:30 AM
I'm wondering how many people commenting about the Chinese people have actually visited the country. :rolleyes:

I have already voiced my opinion on potential boycotts of the Chinese games. If anything it punishes the Chinese people, not the CCP.
I'm not sure why it should be considered a necessity to have visited the nation of china prior to having an opinion about the plight of their people. While it certainly carries more weight if one has experienced the country, those who haven't been fortunate enough to experience it should still be encouraged to educate themselves and speak out.

Sam L
Sep 29th, 2007, 03:40 AM
A boycott's fine, if the right countries boycott. If the Asia-Pacific countries show up, China won't care what the USA does. The show isn't for us.

Idiot, you think China's spending millions of dollars on these games just for the Asian-Pacific countries? They have Asian Games or something like that.

If the US doesn't show up, Americans won't watch which means their money is wasted.

This is the Olympics. It's a global show. In fact, I daresay this show is more for the western countries to show them that China is just like them - or at least pretend for a little while.

You don't get it, do you? :rolleyes:

This is a perfect chance to humiliate China.

Sam L
Sep 29th, 2007, 03:43 AM
I'm sure the last 50 little girls blown to bits by Isreali rockets appreciate your restraint. :o

Not sure what this has to do with the thread but seriously no one's getting your sympathy. For argument's sake, those 50 girls probably had 50 daddies that were going to blow up Israel or American citizens at some stage. There is always collateral damage in wars. Do you know anything about wars or are you just another bleeding heart liberal? :rolleyes:

ys
Sep 29th, 2007, 03:47 AM
This is a perfect chance to humiliate China.

At this time, when pissing off China would cost both USA and China hundreds of billions, who would do that? I say, the Olympics should not have been given to this country in first place. Now it is a point of no return. I can only say that I personally don't care about this Olympics, with exception of tennis of course :) ( as juicing up athletes is not much of a help there anyway )..

Sam L
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:00 AM
if you think the games are for the "people" you are sorely mistaken.

The olympics are a political game for the Chineses, a showcase of the evolution of Chinese economy and society. They have cleaned up the mess they don't want people to see, they will see a staged Beijing and portrait it as an image of China.

The vast majority of Chinese people don't care/know about the games and most of them won't be able to attend or even watch them on tv.

Their goverment has clearly a chance to showcase in international forums, that's that's what it is about.

Fingon, you've hit the nail here. That's what these games are about. But we know otherwise. We know that this is only a cleaned-up image for the world to see. And it's time to bring it out.

Sam L
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:08 AM
That's brings up two points that really deserve their own threads.

a) Is Israel a 'true democracy'?

One might make the point that American politicans and commentators and history books routinely referred to Aparthied South Africa as a democracy. That didn't make it one. The USA, when founded, denied the right to vote to a majority of the people who lived there. Blacks couldn't vote. Women couldn't vote. Was the USA then a 'true democracy'?

And if you only have to be partially a democracy to be called one, Iran qualifies.

b) 'the normal human brain'

Is there such a thing?

A country does not need to have universal suffrage to be a democracy. In any case, Israel is a true democracy in every sense of the word. Iran is a dictatorship.

Either you're really in love with Iran, Volcana, or you hate America/Israel and allies so much that you've completely blinded yourself.

Sam L
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:12 AM
At this time, when pissing off China would cost both USA and China hundreds of billions, who would do that? I say, the Olympics should not have been given to this country in first place. Now it is a point of no return. I can only say that I personally don't care about this Olympics, with exception of tennis of course :) ( as juicing up athletes is not much of a help there anyway )..

Yeah you're probably right, ys. I guess we could write it down like Berlin 1936.

But seriously there are going to be so many drugs cases from China. Chinese women swimmers... :scared:

Pasta-Na
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:34 AM
hmm, China cannot ban any country from attending, it's up to IOC, not China.


and, think a little, China doesn't want to apply sanctions to Iran, Sudan or Myamnar only because it has strong economic interest in them.

Then, do you really think China would ban the United States or Japan from participating in the olympics? California alone is bigger for them than Sudan, Myamnar and Iran.

Without the US and Western Europe buying Chinese made goods like maniacs and without their investments the Chinese economy would collapse.

u think Chinese will save all the money that they earned, in the bank :weirdo: :rolleyes: how many clothes they need to sell to buy one aeroplane from U.S? :weirdo: go studying some books :o

Goai
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:35 AM
I really object to the use of this term. Feel free to read comments about China's policies and defend them if you wish, but to attribute them to Fear of China is both simplistic and condescending.
I am aware of China's policies and history. I'm am also aware of the use of the term and in this case I am using it correctly. I'm not defending certain policies of the Chinese Government not am I attacking people's opinion of it. It is Sinophobia because of the way often misinformed posters here discuss and debate about it.

Pasta-Na
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:35 AM
Democracy/Dictatorship - Both Israel and China are guilty of many human right violations..

very true :yeah:

Pasta-Na
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:41 AM
Just thinking of the Kite Runner - the small piece where the father comments
on what Jimmy Carter did when the Russians invaded Afghanistan - he boycotted
the Olympics. Big deal was the Afghan born fathers thought, they roll in tanks
and kill people, and he says we won't swim with you.

A boycott is meaningless. The Olympics are full of drug assisted athletes competing
for money and national honor - and the money and gifts that come w/that. The Chinese
athletes that do well, will be rewarded one way or another.

Let the tv cameras in, show us the good, the fake, and ask a few times, about the
horrible things going on there....it may be all the insight we get for years to come
from China.



Do you know what Mao did to create his perfect Communist society?
Read a real book. Not just a Google or Wikipedia description of what
Mao and the Communists did for decades, being cheered on largely by
the intellectual left of the world.


Ask the millions and millions who were killed by his regime...oh wait,
you can't, they're dead. The intellectual slaughter, the physical movement
of millions, the jails, the prisons, the political murders, killing baby girls
who were not and are not as wanted as male babies, ask Tibet how they feel.


Israel and China - you want to compare a billion people, a huge nation, one that
has like the old Soviet Union, physically taken over other nations and people,
and banned religions and free thought. With a nation the size of a pea, that has
welcomed in people who by background and religion hate Jews, and given many the
right to vote. That comparison?

Israel has many faults, as does every single nation in the world, but, you cannot
for one second compare what it has done or does to what China has done, or is doing
right noww in terms of human rights and freedom.

Amazing.

i find it amazing that israel is a place for Americans to test their new weapons :p

Pasta-Na
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:54 AM
I really do hope countries boycott China's Olympic games. The Chinese government does not symbolize peace and prosperity that the Olympics are suppose to symbolize. I'm angered the Chinese are supporting terrorist nations. I'm angered the Chinese are shipping products that are harming thousands of Americans. I'm angered that their government put a blockade on all free speech in their own nation.

I'm sure you have all never watched Chinese news from China, but they are only allowed to broadcast good news about their country and/or government. This is completely trying to brainwash their entire country, it's not right. If this keeps up it'll be "1986" I have no doubt.

i am pissed off taiwan wants to be independent. i am pissed off that USA are exporting farming products with dangerous insects. i am pissed off ur government made a funny movie of "bullet". i am pissed off i have to spend money in the internet cafe, owned by a taiwanese guy :haha: :lol:

maybe u r brainwashed by ur government to only see the dark side of a country. Chinese people r not stupid, they can get news from the foreigners, who are travelling there :o they just dont concern so much about what their government are doing atm, they just focus on earning money :angel:

Pasta-Na
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:58 AM
Sam L, why the hell do you jump on everything bad related to China when you get a chance?

dont know where he/she is staying atm- location: australia with a different flag.

probably a Chinese dude or girl dumped him/her. :p

Pasta-Na
Sep 29th, 2007, 05:07 AM
I'm sure the last 50 little girls blown to bits by Isreali rockets appreciate your restraint. :o

when will they give back some of their stolen land? :shrug:

anyway i always think USA is using israel as an "air carrier" in middle east to protect its benefit.

Pasta-Na
Sep 29th, 2007, 05:18 AM
They do.. But Olympics are a competition between free people.. And any Olympics are not a property of a single country. I am a huge Olympic fan but I am not interested whatsoever in Olympics held by a cruel dictatorship. I can pass on Bejing, easily.. Bring on Vancouver and London.

remember to throw away ur computer, t.v, radio... even not going out (people will talk about the news of olympics) :rolleyes:

i am sure China will be sad that u wont be there to support the olympics :o

Scotso
Sep 29th, 2007, 05:44 AM
While boycotting would certainly be an insult to China, the games will still go on. The people most hurt by this will be those athletes who have trained most of their lives away to compete in an Olympics that their government has taken away from them. Let them go.

Exactly. It's easy for a lot of people to sit here behind their computers and push for a boycott... all the Olympics are for them is a TV spectacle. There are people who have devoted their entire lives to those few weeks. Depriving them of that would be criminal.

drake3781
Sep 29th, 2007, 05:47 AM
I am aware of China's policies and history. I'm am also aware of the use of the term and in this case I am using it correctly. I'm not defending certain policies of the Chinese Government not am I attacking people's opinion of it. It is Sinophobia because of the way often misinformed posters here discuss and debate about it.

You completely misread or misunderstood my post. My point is that to simplify the many responses here as due to "Fear of China" is ridiculous and condescending. Simple as that.

BUBI
Sep 29th, 2007, 09:05 AM
A country does not need to have universal suffrage to be a democracy. In any case, Israel is a true democracy in every sense of the word. Iran is a dictatorship.

To call Israel democracy is to completely ignore the situation on West Bank.

Iran is neither democracy or dictatorship. Here is how Iranians evaluate the level of democracy in their country:

The survey also allowed Iranians to evaluate the level of democracy in their country, using the same scale. Asked to rate how much their own country was “governed by representatives elected by the people,” few Iranians (only 9%) gave their country a perfect 10, but a clear majority (61%) gave their country a score of 7 or higher. About a fourth (27%) chose middling scores of between 4 and 6 and fewer than one in 10 (7%) thought Iran rated less than a 3. Iranians on average gave their country a 6.9. This is about the same average rating as Americans gave their own country: 7.3.

Link (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brmiddleeastnafricara/379.php?lb=brme&pnt=379&nid=&id=)

Veritas
Sep 29th, 2007, 12:55 PM
http://news.scotsman.com/internation...?id=1549412007 (http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1549412007)

China has failed to act in Burma, Darfur and has its own shameful secrets in its own country and Tibet.

2008 is when they desperately want to shine on the world stage but it's a chance for the world to humiliate China and stand up and say NO! to the country.

I say bring on the boycotts and let's make this the WORST games ever.

They don't deserve it. Besides their athletes will be drugged up.

I thought that you, for once, had something meaningful to say in your post. That was until you made that ridiculous (bolded-in) statement :rolleyes:

Honestly, when will you drop the pretense that it's the country, not the politics, of China itself which fuels much of your hate-filled rants?

Ellery
Sep 29th, 2007, 01:15 PM
May I ask, why you Sam L, so naturally assume that the Chinese athletes will be drugged up? :rolleyes: The way you make that presumption so easily is pretty insulting.

Veritas
Sep 29th, 2007, 01:16 PM
You are so stupid. I'm glad that other people in this thread have pointed out to you that there's no comparison between the two.

You are so brainwashed it's not even funny. And another sad fact is that you bite the hand that feeds you. You don't deserve to live in a western country like the UK(?). Maybe you should move somewhere where you can befriend brainwashed people who share the same sentiments you have against US and Israel.

Trust me, you won't like it there. :rolleyes:

A cornerstone of democracy is the right to free speech. And that means if someone has an opinion different to yours, instead of telling them they don't deserve to voice it, you tolerate it. It's something that an avid supporter of democracy should practice and preach, ain't it? :tape:

ys
Sep 29th, 2007, 02:05 PM
so naturally assume that the Chinese athletes will be drugged up? :rolleyes:

History of totalitarian sports. Chinese including..

Ellery
Sep 29th, 2007, 03:03 PM
History of totalitarian sports. Chinese including..

I may be mistaken, but I am pretty certain no Chinese was found to be doping in the past 2 Olympics (which I followed diligently). The same can't be said of other countries however. :wavey:

ys
Sep 29th, 2007, 03:29 PM
I may be mistaken, but I am pretty certain no Chinese was found to be doping in the past 2 Olympics (which I followed diligently). The same can't be said of other countries however. :wavey:

Since 1990 China has produced 30+ positive tests in swimming alone, by far more than any other country in the world.

Ellery
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:02 PM
Since 1990 China has produced 30+ positive tests in swimming alone, by far more than any other country in the world.


Yes, but those did not happen in the Olympics...China always cleans up its doping problems in time for the Olympics.

Sam L
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Yes, but those did not happen in the Olympics...China always cleans up its doping problems in time for the Olympics.

:haha:

Oh yes, they clean up all right. Just not the dopes. :help:

Sam L
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:08 PM
A cornerstone of democracy is the right to free speech. And that means if someone has an opinion different to yours, instead of telling them they don't deserve to voice it, you tolerate it. It's something that an avid supporter of democracy should practice and preach, ain't it? :tape:

They do have a right to it. Where did I say I want to censor them? :confused: I said if they don't like it, go where they think they'll like it. That's not being against free speech, that's being logical. Why would you stay in a country run by a government you don't like?

I sure as hell WILL NOT live in Iran or China. I'll try to escape and if I can't I'll kill myself. But I will stay in countries like US, UK and Australia. They're not without fault and I've criticized them on issues like global warming and encourage people to criticize them, but I will not take crackpot conspiracy theories about these governments and how they're out to get their own citizens or how they're dictatorships. That's why if there are any crackpots who think that my advice to them would be to leave and go to other countries that they think they like.

It's advice for them to do what's best in their lives. They can still use their free speech once they get to Iran or China.... Ooops. :tape:

Ellery
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:09 PM
:haha:

Oh yes, they clean up all right. Just not the dopes. :help:

Why don't you check your fact first? :rolleyes: :weirdo: No Chinese was caught doping in the past 3 games, which cannot be said of many European or other Asian athletes. That doping will occur is always possible, but to naturally assume that it will occur without a doubt, and on such a large scale (in a country) is just :haha:

Sam L
Sep 29th, 2007, 04:10 PM
I thought that you, for once, had something meaningful to say in your post. That was until you made that ridiculous (bolded-in) statement :rolleyes:

Honestly, when will you drop the pretense that it's the country, not the politics, of China itself which fuels much of your hate-filled rants?

Right because it's logical to separate the politics from the country. Damn, I hate the Nazis but let's support their 1936 Olympics and let's supply Germany with weapons. Don't hate the country just the politicians. :rolleyes:

HippityHop
Sep 29th, 2007, 10:32 PM
They do have a right to it. Where did I say I want to censor them? :confused: I said if they don't like it, go where they think they'll like it. That's not being against free speech, that's being logical. Why would you stay in a country run by a government you don't like?

I sure as hell WILL NOT live in Iran or China. I'll try to escape and if I can't I'll kill myself. But I will stay in countries like US, UK and Australia. They're not without fault and I've criticized them on issues like global warming and encourage people to criticize them, but I will not take crackpot conspiracy theories about these governments and how they're out to get their own citizens or how they're dictatorships. That's why if there are any crackpots who think that my advice to them would be to leave and go to other countries that they think they like.

It's advice for them to do what's best in their lives. They can still use their free speech once they get to Iran or China.... Ooops. :tape:

True.

The nice thing about living in Western societies is that one can romanticize totalitarian regimes without having to live under them.

LeonHart
Sep 30th, 2007, 12:01 AM
i am pissed off taiwan wants to be independent. i am pissed off that USA are exporting farming products with dangerous insects. i am pissed off ur government made a funny movie of "bullet". i am pissed off i have to spend money in the internet cafe, owned by a taiwanese guy :haha: :lol:

maybe u r brainwashed by ur government to only see the dark side of a country. Chinese people r not stupid, they can get news from the foreigners, who are travelling there :o they just dont concern so much about what their government are doing atm, they just focus on earning money :angel:

lol are you kidding me? I've been to China and I can say China does not compare with Taiwan. As a matter of fact, the week I stayed in China I had diarrhea for the entire week. And yes I stayed at 5 star hotels all the way through, including the Grand Hyatt Shanghi, and eating at "clean" restaurants. The Rolex watch I bought off a China vendor lasted a whole 2 days. Yeah he was shouting "GOOD QUALITY!" all the way through. Good quality my ass. I quite enjoy the fact that some major companies are scared to even go to China because they don't even have copyright laws there :lol:

Also, tapioca drinks (boba) originated in Taiwan, the ones in China are nasty as hell! Even in the US they make it better, but then again they're from Taiwanese vendors :angel::drool:

Don't try to tell me I'm brainwashed by my government because 1. I don't even reside in Taiwan and 2. I've been to China first hand to make my own judgment about the country.

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 30th, 2007, 12:12 AM
Who doesn't have diarrhea when going to China? lol. It's part of the tourist package.

Epigone
Sep 30th, 2007, 01:38 AM
Who doesn't have diarrhea when going to China? lol. It's part of the tourist package.Me :p

Veritas
Sep 30th, 2007, 02:31 AM
They do have a right to it. Where did I say I want to censor them? :confused: I said if they don't like it, go where they think they'll like it. That's not being against free speech, that's being logical. Why would you stay in a country run by a government you don't like?

I sure as hell WILL NOT live in Iran or China. I'll try to escape and if I can't I'll kill myself. But I will stay in countries like US, UK and Australia. They're not without fault and I've criticized them on issues like global warming and encourage people to criticize them, but I will not take crackpot conspiracy theories about these governments and how they're out to get their own citizens or how they're dictatorships. That's why if there are any crackpots who think that my advice to them would be to leave and go to other countries that they think they like.

It's advice for them to do what's best in their lives. They can still use their free speech once they get to Iran or China.... Ooops. :tape:

Telling someone that he doesn't "deserve" to live in a Western country goes beyond an "advice". It implies a demand for conformity, which is something familiar to totalitarianism :tape:

Veritas
Sep 30th, 2007, 02:42 AM
Right because it's logical to separate the politics from the country. Damn, I hate the Nazis but let's support their 1936 Olympics and let's supply Germany with weapons. Don't hate the country just the politicians. :rolleyes:

Well, you were "crusading" for a boycott because of what's happening in Darfur and Burma, right? That means the focus of your criticisms should be restricted to issues related to them.

So why would you making a sweeping generalisation about Chinese athletes unless this thread was intended as an outlet to vent out anti-Chinese sentiment? :confused:

Pasta-Na
Sep 30th, 2007, 03:25 AM
Sam L is a Chinese hater troll :angel:

ys
Sep 30th, 2007, 03:29 AM
Well, you were "crusading" for a boycott because of what's happening in Darfur and Burma, right? That means the focus of your criticisms should be restricted to issues related to them.

Why should it? No matter how much we want, how much we critisize China for being a tyranny and oppressor of any internal freedom, unfortunately, it is China's internal business. Darfur and Burma are not. If IOC decided to turn Olympic Games into Prison Games, there is not much that can be done about that at this point. Still it gives a good opportunity to put some extra pressure on China to help those outside of China whom China is hurting.

-Ph51-
Sep 30th, 2007, 05:38 PM
Let's boycot Russia too then.:help:

LoveFifteen
Sep 30th, 2007, 06:39 PM
Telling someone that he doesn't "deserve" to live in a Western country goes beyond an "advice". It implies a demand for conformity, which is something familiar to totalitarianism :tape:

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

pancake
Sep 30th, 2007, 07:54 PM
lol are you kidding me? I've been to China and I can say China does not compare with Taiwan. As a matter of fact, the week I stayed in China I had diarrhea for the entire week. And yes I stayed at 5 star hotels all the way through, including the Grand Hyatt Shanghi, and eating at "clean" restaurants. The Rolex watch I bought off a China vendor lasted a whole 2 days. Yeah he was shouting "GOOD QUALITY!" all the way through. Good quality my ass. I quite enjoy the fact that some major companies are scared to even go to China because they don't even have copyright laws there :lol:

Also, tapioca drinks (boba) originated in Taiwan, the ones in China are nasty as hell! Even in the US they make it better, but then again they're from Taiwanese vendors :angel::drool:

Don't try to tell me I'm brainwashed by my government because 1. I don't even reside in Taiwan and 2. I've been to China first hand to make my own judgment about the country.

May you two please not argue over the Taiwan-China thing? I've been to China as well but I don't have same experience as yours BUT I do agree China doesn't have good reputation when it comes to journey stuff... But still such topic should not be discussed here since I see no connection and it's such a sensitive topic.

fioredeliberi
Oct 1st, 2007, 12:22 AM
OK, I understand some people are heated up about mainland china, and it is a dicatatorship, despite being more or less run at lower levels by representatives.

However, remember that the chinese do not support islamic militancy, although they do business with iran and other places, basically their style is we do business with anyone.

The style of china nowadays is to leave other countries and its people alone as long as everyone nicely does business instead of politics. China does not interfere with Myanmar or Darfur. It lets however is ruling there, do what they want. They just do business with whoever is the govt.

How do you want them to interfere in Myanmar? INVADE it?

One thing many young people don't realise is that china has fought 2 WARS with america, the first being the KOREAN conflict and the second being the VIETNAM one. In both cases, the situation was very complex and one could say, the chinese never attacked New York City first. The results were mixed, with the US/UN forces killing many chinese soldiers and their allies, and unfortunately in VIETNAM killing maybe 2 million vietnamese civilians also, besides 900K enemy soldiers for 60K US soldiers KIA. In both cases, the enemy remained behind in power and the US forces eventually retreated.

Compare that to iraq and you will see why the SEAsians couldn't care less about the human cost of the iraq operation. It's peanuts compared to Vietnam.

By the way, the vietnam conflict was started and managed by the Democrats and ended by the Republicans. The vietnamese basically wanted foreigners out of their country, so they beat the french, but had to ask communist china to help them, and this made the democrats scared that all the countries around would fall like dominoes to the communists. So send in US forces. "Brilliant" said the New York Times.

Right now china is attempting to bring itself into the modern world, by building up its economy and social structures. As this happens, they will develop for sure into a society that values freedom and democracy and this has always been the result of economic progress throughout history.

As this happens slowly, china will not be a danger to america, but will simply become another nation in the world to do business and travel to, like france or germany.

In the US, the liberal media is generally against china, because it supports taiwan, which also funds the democratic party. Thus we read alot of scaremongering articles about china, just like the everyday biased articles about stupid Bush is supposed to be.

Don't be deceived by the left-wing liberal media in america. China must be dealt with in a practical manner, and not be looked at as some kind of dangerous monster.

fioredeliberi
Oct 1st, 2007, 12:29 AM
By the way, a lot of my friends live and work in china. None of them have had any problems with the police or admins in the big cities, beside the usual business problems. As longs as you stick to business, the chinese will not touch you.

And I am also a very strong supporter of israel, and think that the arabs are to be blamed for all the conflict in the middle east(against israel), including the present terrorist efforts against the west.

And my country has its military in iraq also. And I was an officer in that military.

And you can see that my idea of china's situation is very different from yours.

LeonHart
Oct 1st, 2007, 01:05 AM
May you two please not argue over the Taiwan-China thing? I've been to China as well but I don't have same experience as yours BUT I do agree China doesn't have good reputation when it comes to journey stuff... But still such topic should not be discussed here since I see no connection and it's such a sensitive topic.

There is a connection but whatever, I won't discuss it. However I feel China does have more of a say in Burma and Darfur, obviously, but they simply don't care because the situation in their country isn't much better when you compare what goes on in Tibet to Burma or Darfur.

Mcawen
Oct 2nd, 2007, 08:32 PM
For example:
If a man from China rapes a woman, he will be sentenced to death. According to most of you, all men in China should be sentenced to death.
If a man from any other country saves a drowning boy, all men from this country in prison should be set free.
Oh my poor Chinese people, we are collecting all the bad acts so as to hold the 28th Olympics. :)

Pasta-Na
Oct 2nd, 2007, 10:46 PM
not very easy to manage a country with 1.3 billion population :D

tenn_ace
Oct 3rd, 2007, 01:38 AM
Maybe if you held Israel to the same standards you hold China in relation to human rights, your post might have some merit..

as it stands your post is just the ramblings of an absolute hypocrite.


:worship: :worship: :worship:

tenn_ace
Oct 3rd, 2007, 01:47 AM
some people here (ys's and sam l's of the world) are downright scary.

njnetswill
Oct 3rd, 2007, 01:55 AM
What people do not realize is that China does business with everyone. Just because they export billions and billions of dollars of goods to the USA does not mean the Chinese Communist Party agrees with American political ideology, and the same can be said for Sudan, Burma, Iran, Russia, etc. Much the same way, the USA trading with China does not mean the US government supports communism and everything the CCP does.

Boycotting the games makes no sense, if people actually believe the CCP will change based on that. Whether you love or hate the CCP, the Chinese people are amazing and deserve the honor of hosting such an event.