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Pureracket
Sep 28th, 2007, 12:27 AM
By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 26
WASHINGTON - Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, caused a stir at a Senate hearing Wednesday when he said he believes homosexual activity is immoral and should not be condoned by the military.

Pace, who retires next week, said he was seeking to clarify similar remarks he made in spring, which he said were misreported. "Are there wonderful Americans who happen to be homosexual serving in the military? Yes," he told the Senate Appropriations Committee during a hearing focused on the Pentagon's 2008 war spending request.

"We need to be very precise then, about what I said wearing my stars and being very conscious of it," he added. "And that is, very simply, that we should respect those who want to serve the nation but not through the law of the land, condone activity that, in my upbringing, is counter to God's law."

Anti-war protesters sitting behind Pace jeered the four-star general's remarks, prompting Committee Chairman Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., to abruptly adjourn the hearing and seal off the doors.
The hearing resumed about five minutes later in which Pace said he would be supportive of efforts to revisit the Pentagon's policy so long as it didn't violate his belief that sex should be restricted to a married heterosexual couple.

"I would be very willing and able and supportive" to changes to the policy "to continue to allow the homosexual community to contribute to the nation without condoning what I believe to be activity — whether it to be heterosexual or homosexual — that in my upbringing is not right," Pace said.

Pace's lengthy answer on gays was prodded by Sen. Tom Harkin, who said he found Pace's previous remarks as "very hurtful" and "very demoralizing" to homosexuals serving in the military.

In March, the Chicago Tribune reported that Pace said in a wide-ranging interview: "I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way."

Harkin, D-Iowa, said he wanted to give Pace a chance to amend his remarks in light of his retirement.
"It's a matter of leadership, and we have to be careful what we say," Harkin said.
Pace noted that the U.S. Military Code of Justice prohibits homosexual activity as well as adultery. Harkin said, "Well, maybe we should change that."



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Pureracket
Sep 28th, 2007, 12:39 AM
Most psychiatrists would agree that homophobia is merely projection of repressed homosexuality. Of course most psychiatrists are afraid of getting sent to Guantanamo, so...

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 28th, 2007, 12:40 AM
For his opinion to have any validity, he would have to prove first that there is such a thing as "God's law".

bionic71
Sep 28th, 2007, 08:51 AM
.....dullsville.

Pureracket
Sep 28th, 2007, 11:35 AM
.....dullsville.Treating people equally is dull to you?

kabuki
Sep 28th, 2007, 12:34 PM
Treating people equally is dull to you?

:secret: He's too busy worshipping pop godesses.


:p


Seriously though, the military's policy will most likely change during our next (Democratic) Presidency.

griffin
Sep 28th, 2007, 01:21 PM
If he thinks sex outside marriage is immoral and shouldn't be tolerated by the military, he's going to have to discharge well over half the armed services.

There's a reason prostitution is big business where ever you find a major military base.

Philbo
Sep 28th, 2007, 01:46 PM
Treating people equally is dull to you?

Bionic is gay, so I think what he meant was General's Pace old, tired, religion-brainwashed idea of homosexuality as 'immoral' is 'dullsville'....

miffedmax
Sep 28th, 2007, 02:26 PM
I, for one, am sick and tired of not being characterized as immoral or perverted just because I'm straight.

I can be at least as immoral as any gay person out there. This prejudice against straight deviants has got to be stopped.

DutchieGirl
Sep 29th, 2007, 03:25 AM
So because of HIS upbringing says it's immorally wrong - does he not realise that everyone is broguth up differently, and not everyone has the same point of view? :lol:

bionic71
Sep 30th, 2007, 02:33 PM
Treating people equally is dull to you?

um...no.

bionic71
Sep 30th, 2007, 02:36 PM
:secret: He's too busy worshipping pop godesses.

Yes indeed...I am a devout, pop icon goddess worshipper...a life long devotion that is indeed time consuming, yet ultimately rewarding. x

bionic71
Sep 30th, 2007, 02:37 PM
Bionic is gay, so I think what he meant was General's Pace old, tired, religion-brainwashed idea of homosexuality as 'immoral' is 'dullsville'....

...top of the class doll. xxx

Are you back from the UK? When are you returning to the Tennis Sydney fold?

Haute
Sep 30th, 2007, 03:43 PM
Immoral is no biggie, I prefer the term 'sexually deviant.' It's more fun. :lol:

Nicolás89
Sep 30th, 2007, 06:43 PM
i hate people like him :(

esquímaux
Sep 30th, 2007, 10:13 PM
Immoral is no biggie, I prefer the term 'sexually deviant.' It's more fun. :lol::haha: I agree :lol::lol::eek::devil:

You know it's all a big joke, it really is. The military has this whole "don't ask, don't tell" policy when servicemembers quite blatantly ask and definitely do tell. From E-1 to officers, I've seen them all from queens to cowboys :haha:

fioredeliberi
Sep 30th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Pace has got the right to state his opinion, whether we agree with it or not.
That is what is called freedom.
About gays in the armed forces, I have seen some(I suspect, who fit in) and some who don't. As long as they make an effort to get along with their colleagues, the average soldier is tolerant enough to not give a damn as long as the gay person carries his own weight and makes an effort to support the team.
But if the gay person is a screwup, then he/she should not say that you must retain me just because I am gay.

Philbo
Oct 1st, 2007, 04:17 PM
...top of the class doll. xxx

Are you back from the UK? When are you returning to the Tennis Sydney fold?


No still in UK mate! We get treated as real people over here doll!! hehe

I miss Tennis Sydney though... was so simple to walk there from home.. tennis in london is such an ordeal!!

griffin
Oct 1st, 2007, 04:19 PM
But if the gay person is a screwup, then he/she should not say that you must retain me just because I am gay.

You do realize that no one is asking for this, right?

You do realize this is about the US Military's policy of discharging gay people, no matter how qualified, no matter how well they serve, just for being gay, right?

samsung101
Oct 1st, 2007, 04:30 PM
Don't Ask, Don't Tell...promoted and approved and publicized by what
President - that would be Bill Clinton. The popular president signed
off on this, and continued it, and although with heavy gay backing in two
campaigns, and the powerful DNC in his hand, he never made an effort to
alter it.

Bush just left it in place.
He has signed zero pieces of legislation by either the GOP or Dem. controlled
Congress that hurts or limits the rights of homoseuxals in America. Zero.

Whatever Pace thinks personally of homosexuality is not relevant.

How he enacted the existing policy is what mattered. He carried
out the same policy, with the same level of effort (not much)
as the previous President did, and previous Commander did.

He did his job.
A thankless job at that.



The guy had more important things on his plate during his tenure.
Like life and death, a wimpy Congress, and a wolf like press. Soldiers
lives and welfare is his concern. Not what The Advocate or Sen. Schumer
thinks of his views on a lifestyle.

He is entitled to a viewpoint personally that is held by millions of people
around the world, left and right, black and white. He is not alone in that view,
and being tolerant of another lifestyle, does not mean you have to give up your
right to view it as immoral. He can think of it as personally wrong for many
reasons, yet, tolerate it as he must by law. He has done that.

LoveFifteen
Oct 1st, 2007, 04:53 PM
Pace is a hypocrite. He certainly isn't trying to enact the rest of God's Law. I hope one day I can stand in front of Congress and ask for a Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy for other vile lawbreakers like shrimp eaters and people who wear polyester! :mad:

griffin
Oct 1st, 2007, 05:01 PM
Soldiers
lives and welfare is his concern.

Yeah, some concern. I guess it doesn't extend to soldiers who are gay, or to soldiers who's lives might have been saved had the military not discharged translators and other key intelligence personnel because of something completely irrelevant to their ability to do their jobs.

Clinton signed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" - but only after trying (hard) to get the ban repealed entirely. And as much as it sucks, it's better than the previous policy. Details, details.

Andy T
Oct 1st, 2007, 05:07 PM
Well, how anyone engaged in a 'profession' which is quite prepared (nay trained) to kill people on a daily basis - and if they're comrades caught in "friendly fire" or innocent civilians in the wrong place at the wrong time, too bad - can dare to lecture on morality I'll never know. Quite clearly, this jerk's God is not the one whose law said "thou shalt not kill".

He can "sod" off straight to hell!

Wannabeknowitall
Oct 1st, 2007, 05:52 PM
Don't Ask, Don't Tell...promoted and approved and publicized by what
President - that would be Bill Clinton. The popular president signed
off on this, and continued it, and although with heavy gay backing in two
campaigns, and the powerful DNC in his hand, he never made an effort to
alter it.

Bush just left it in place.
He has signed zero pieces of legislation by either the GOP or Dem. controlled
Congress that hurts or limits the rights of homoseuxals in America. Zero.

Whatever Pace thinks personally of homosexuality is not relevant.

How he enacted the existing policy is what mattered. He carried
out the same policy, with the same level of effort (not much)
as the previous President did, and previous Commander did.

He did his job.
A thankless job at that.



The guy had more important things on his plate during his tenure.
Like life and death, a wimpy Congress, and a wolf like press. Soldiers
lives and welfare is his concern. Not what The Advocate or Sen. Schumer
thinks of his views on a lifestyle.

He is entitled to a viewpoint personally that is held by millions of people
around the world, left and right, black and white. He is not alone in that view,
and being tolerant of another lifestyle, does not mean you have to give up your
right to view it as immoral. He can think of it as personally wrong for many
reasons, yet, tolerate it as he must by law. He has done that.

See this is the thing.
He actually didn't want it to come to what Bush has made it.
It was a compromise in a time where compromises were the only thing that gays were going to get.

He assumed that a Democrat would be able to win the election after him (which Al Gore did) and would change his policy for the time.

He didn't think a Republican would steal the election and then proceed to read some of Clinton's policies word for word like the Bible.

Bush is not even using the don't ask don't tell policy anymore.
It's more like we'll ask and you tell and if you don't tell we'll assume.

Which is great because alot of these homosexuals he's kicking out are translators.
I don't think cutting off your right and left foot in Iraq is the best way to go to winning this war which at this point looks impossible.

miffedmax
Oct 1st, 2007, 07:02 PM
Pace is a hypocrite. He certainly isn't trying to enact the rest of God's Law. I hope one day I can stand in front of Congress and ask for a Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy for other vile lawbreakers like shrimp eaters and people who wear polyester! :mad:

For some reason, after reading this all I can think of is the conversation in Spartacus about some being snail eaters and some being oyster eaters.

Andy T
Oct 1st, 2007, 07:12 PM
Which is great because alot of these homosexuals he's kicking out are translators.


We Queens have always been good with tongues....;) :devil: