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GogoGirl
Jul 15th, 2002, 06:02 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/2002-07-15/Metro_Sports/Other_Sports/a-157540.asp




Look of a Winner
James Blake is thriving
at tennis and modeling

By SAM BORDEN
Daily News Sports Writer


NEWPORT, R.I.

hen James Blake was 18, it was his brain that led him to Harvard. When James Blake turned 20, it was his arms and legs that propelled him onto the ATP tour. Now that James Blake is 22, it's his face that has carried him in front of the camera.


James Blake kneels after giving up a point to Taylor Dent at yesterday's Hall of Fame Championships.

He is young, black and proud — unashamed to be playing a game that is historically white, unabashed about posing while the flashbulbs flicker. He grew up in Yonkers and Fairfield, Conn., learned tennis in Harlem, went to class in Boston and won his very first ATP Tour match in this seaside town three years ago.

He returned here for the Hall of Fame Championships — as the tournament's top seed — but not before doing a photo shoot for the September issue of Vogue magazine the day before he arrived. Blake made it all the way to the final, but yesterday lost to fellow American Taylor Dent, 6-1, 4-6, 6-4.

It is something of a novelty for a male tennis player to double as a model, but so too is it a novelty for an African-American to crack the top 50. Blake is the first to do so since MaliVai Washington, who was named one of People magazine's 50 Most Beautiful People in 1994.

"The fact that he's African-American and the fact that he went to Harvard makes him something to talk about," says Chris Forberg, head of the men's division of IMG Models, the agency that represents Blake. "It's funny, because 99% of the athletes just aren't good-looking enough to pull it off. But he is."

* * *

The comparisons to the Williams sisters are natural. Blake's father Tom, like Richard Williams, was a tennis player — in fact, that is how he met James' mother Betty, who is white and British. The Williamses and Blake share an agent, Carlos Fleming, and Blake also has a tennis sibling — older brother Thomas, who has struggled with injuries but is trying to make it on the tour as well.

But Blake does not have the results the sisters have — he has yet to win an ATP event and has made just two tournament finals — though he plays the same role as an ambassador to younger black fans.

"There are definitely some people at certain tournaments that might not have been there if I wasn't there," Blake says.

And now a new comparison has sprung up. The world sees Blake in designer suits, in chic casual wear, even with his 6-1, 170-pound frame lying prone across a haystack in the back of semi truck.

Much like Anna Kournikova, Blake has found less fame on the court than in the camera's eye.

"The one thing we've always tried to avoid is the Anna Kournikova phenomenon," says Fleming. "We've never overplayed the fact that he's a handsome guy. That speaks for itself. You're never going to see him do any outrageous stuff, because that's not his personality."

Blake vigorously maintains that his modeling is secondary to his tennis. Although he signed with Fleming in 1999, he didn't join IMG Models until October 2001, waiting until he had established himself on the tour.

"Jim Courier was the first one who told me that he got a whole lot better looking that first time he won the French Open," says Blake, "and he got even better looking each time he won a major after that."

Blake has already appeared in Teen Vogue and Ocean Drive, and will model Nike's new McEnroe line later this year, which includes non-tennis clothing. Forberg said that IMG has had "plenty of bites from major designers" about Blake, but has been unable to follow through on many of them because of the restrictions in Blake's contract with Nike.

"All we want to do is help him raise his profile," Forberg says. "We'd like to put him in magazines that he wouldn't otherwise be in."

It has been almost a year since Lleyton Hewitt made a racially insensitive remark about a black linesman during a U.S. Open match with Blake, which was the first time that Blake's name found its way into the national headlines. Blake anticipates playing in Flushing again next month, and hopes he makes news for more traditional reasons.

"I really didn't want to make it on SportsCenter for the first time on the other side of a controversy like that," he said.

His diplomatic reaction to Hewitt earned him praise for his demeanor, but since then he has been intent on making news for reasons other than his skin color. His powerful forehand is highly-regarded on tour and his speed on court is admired — "If I was as fast as James, I'd be in good shape," said Dent.

Blake is currently ranked 35th, is a perfect 5-0 in Davis Cup matches for the USA and made his first ATP tournament final earlier this year in Memphis. At Wimbledon, he dropped an excruciating second-round match to Richard Krajicek, losing 11-9 in the fifth set.

So far, that first title has eluded him, but Blake claims that his outside interests have little to do with it.

"Tennis is an individual sport and that works for some people, but it doesn't work for me," he says. "It's not my philosophy. I think if I thought about tennis all the time, I'd actually get worse."

So he doesn't. And at least one former tennis pro thinks there's nothing wrong with that.

"You know what, the Anna Kournikova phenomenon is not a bad thing at all," says Washington, who became friends with Blake after losing to him here in 1999. "It's great for tennis, it's great for Anna's bank account and what's wrong with that? I think it's terrific James can cross over to non-sports related stuff. I think he realizes he's been blessed with some assets and not everyone can cross over into that arena."

Despite his agents' hopes of raising his profile, Blake still travels in relative obscurity — "If I don't shave, people confuse me with Lenny Kravitz sometimes," he confesses — and should he suddenly start getting mobbed in malls, there are plenty of mechanisms available to keep him grounded.

"Every once in awhile we'll give him some stuff, keep his head from getting too big," says brother Thomas, who also pointed out that although people confuse him with James, he has not gotten any modeling offers of his own. "People say we look alike. But I guess not."

The ribbing is not confined to Thomas or his parents (his mother calls his dreadlocks "worms on my head," among other things), since Blake hears plenty in the locker room, too.

He doesn't mind, though. He's happy enough to be playing tennis each day, dreaming of the time when he'll face now-No. 1 Hewitt again and beat him — with no controversy to cloud the match.

And then off to do a GQ cover?

"If I'm not too old and wrinkly and bald and gray, maybe," he says. "If people still want to take my picture, that would be fine with me."

* * *

Countdown to U.S. Open

When: Aug. 26 thru Sept. 8
Where: National Tennis Center, Flushing Meadows
Defending Champs: Lleyton Hewitt & Venus Williams
Ticket Info: www.usopen.org

Original Publication Date: 7/15/02

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 06:20 PM
James hair has got to go or get shorter. It is starting to look like Medusa. :eek: He really is a handsome guy but there should be an article about Dent too since he is the winner and is young and very polite and talented. This just backs up Martina Hingis's comments about players getting recognition because of their blackness. Taylor wins the title, in HIS FIRST FINAL EVER, playing great tennis and yet the focus is put on the black ANNA KOURNIKOVA player. Unfortunately tennis is becoming all about looks and marketability. of course racism is still a problem but race also makes him marketable to whites and blacks and then throw in a reference to ANNA KOURNIKOVA and you add even more to the mix. It's sad to me that Taylor, who is a gentleman and whom I really like, basically gets ignored despite outplaying James. James exhibited very poor sportsmanship in his semis and finals and I think the pressure is getting to him. If Hewitt behaved like James did then people would be all over him but not against James because they would be called a racist and not against America's darling Andy Roddick. Mind you that NONE of this is James or Andy's fault but it's really unfair. Why not let James's tennis speak for itself? Instead we have to constantly endure the fact that he is mixed (or in this case it's said that he is black) shoved down our throat. I am openly gay and would not want that to be the focus of my career. This is the whole problem with race in America and I believe Martina Hingis was right when she said what she did about the Williams sisters. Unfortunately what she said was ALSO WRONG because Martina did not pick her words carefully enough and only later was able to clarify what she meant. She spoke too soon without thinking and then later tried to explain it. I am sure she did not anticipate how sensitive people are over racial issues. Martina should not have said that the ONLY reason for the Williams marketability was because they are black but rather that it does give them an advantage in how much they get hyped.

selesfan
Jul 15th, 2002, 06:25 PM
Thanks for the article Gogogirl! James is such a sweetie!:kiss:

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 06:34 PM
James is a sweetie but I think he needs to chill out now. He has had so many tough losses and the pressure is really starting to make him sad and irritable. It's understandable. I kind of liken it to what Jelena Dokic or Alexandra Stevenson sometimes exhibit in their frustration or even Jennifer Capriati, a player whom I admire.

Beige
Jul 15th, 2002, 06:39 PM
You're so country, treufruend. :rolleyes:

endiadjendiadj
Jul 15th, 2002, 06:44 PM
Anna gets thrown into everything! Cheap shots!:rolleyes:

James is a cutie, though and a very talented player!:hearts:

Infiniti2001
Jul 15th, 2002, 06:45 PM
No Beige, treufreund speaks from both sides of his mouth :rolleyes: FYI James Blake's behaviour is mild compared to Hewitt who reminds me of some dumbass 20 year old frat boy who drinks too much beer and gets loud and obnoxious at a Smashmouth concert ...
Anyway , thanks for the article Gogogirl :D

Beige
Jul 15th, 2002, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by Infiniti2001
No Beige, treufreund speaks from both sides of his mouth :rolleyes: FYI James Blake's behaviour is mild compared to Hewitt who reminds me of some dumbass 20 year old frat boy who drinks too much beer and gets loud and obnoxious at a Smashmouth concert ...
Anyway , thanks for the article Gogogirl :D

I know. I'm a fool to even contest anything he says because he's so full of it. I., Lleyton's racist ass was lucky to get off so easily with that US Open incident.

But I digress...

Thanks, GG.

midora
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by treufreund
James is a sweetie but I think he needs to chill out now. He has had so many tough losses and the pressure is really starting to make him sad and irritable. It's understandable. I kind of liken it to what Jelena Dokic or Alexandra Stevenson sometimes exhibit in their frustration or even Jennifer Capriati, a player whom I admire.

You are so completely off base. Blake is known for his good sportsmanship and was very gracious in his loss to Taylor Dent. Also note his reaction to that idiot Hewitt at the Open last year. He could have made a big stink but stayed above the fray.

As for Hingis and your assessment that blacks have it so good in the sport and get extra added attention give me a break!!! The press AND fans fall over themselves whenever a half way decent white player who doesn't look like a troll comes along. Note their obsession with any and all BLOND women who can hold a racket. And surely Andy Roddick gets undue attention as the Great White Hope. Even he said at this year's wimbly that he was treated like he could do no wrong.

Your bias is soooo obvious.

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:16 PM
I think you kinda read things into my post that weren't there. I like James but he did more than just a bit emotional. He got a warning for foul language and protested many line calls. I still like him just like I like Capriati and Hingis. Hingis of today however is not the same brat that she was when she was only 17. I do speak out of both sides of my mouth because REALITY is COMPLEX not black and white the way BEIGE sees things. I always take great pains to clarify myself because I realize that many NAIVE people will jump on to my posts and not make any attempt to dialogue on a productive level. Parts of my posts are uncomfortable for some people because I dare to say things that are staring everyone in the face but they are afraid to say because of reprisals and the usual shouts of Hater, country, racist, etc. But if they would take some time to dialogue they would see that I hate injustice whether it is carried out on the short, the tall, the black, the white, the old, the gay, the young, the beautiful, the ugly, the yellow, the Spaniards, the Americans, etc, etc.

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:19 PM
midora, you are really right about them jumping all over the great white hopes. Roddick is WAY overhyped as is HARKLEROAD. I really do agree with you on most of what you wrote. My bias is against hyping players bases on race, looks, etc. And that really does go both ways.

Beige
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:20 PM
Treu, whatever. I can't wait until you take a few swipes at the one and only "classy" Chanda. And, punk, you KNOW the day will come...and my finger will be a-pointing. :p

selesfan
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:22 PM
LOL@Beige! He always has a hidden agenda in his posts, comes off as a nice guy who is so misunderstood.

tennischick
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:23 PM
Tennis magazine April 2002 has the best article about James :hearts: :hearts:. check it out. by the way does anyone know whatever happened to his website? it doesn't seem to exist any longer.

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:26 PM
selesfan,

no comments from the peanut gallery, please. :p

Beige,

I am a nice guy. Chanda is one of my faves but I will take a swipe in the future if need be. Just like I take swipes at my absolute fave Martina Hingis and at others like Mauresmo and Henin whom I also like. Don't even try to control what I will say in the future. Or make threats that carry no weight. If and when you and selesfan want to get over reading all of my posts with your usual suspicion then we can dialogue. I don't need to come across like a victim since I know that my heart is good. :D

Beige
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:32 PM
Treu, we have the same argument over and over again. Sigh.
See you at the next battle, I guess. :rolleyes:

Lol@your self-delusion. :D

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:32 PM
joy you brought me, joy :)

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:36 PM
beige,

I am tired of battling you. I think you have good intentions but you do think a lot of people are either racist or biased when actually they just have a different experience than you and see things differently. For heaven's sakes many African-Americans are very very dear to me and I even choose to go to a gym that is diverse and surround myself with all kinds of people. 3 of my best friends are black and 2 are Filipino and yes I know it's a cliche to say that but it's still true. Nonetheless I am a thinker and observer of our society and culture and I am white and dare to say some things that are maybe not pc. :D

tennischick
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:43 PM
Taylor Dent (aka Dent-Head) is butt-ugly. no chance in heck he could attract this kind of attention. but his win was acknowledged all over the media. this is just one story that happened to focus on James :hearts: :hearts:. not all of the stories did to be fair. His Ugliness' win was duly mentioned. :o :o

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:47 PM
he is not butt ugly but your post sure is. How incredibly rude and you just made my point about looks being all that counts. Taylor is a very sweet guy with a lot of promise. This is the same crap that Lindsay Davenport has gone through. Talented player overlooked because she does not look like Kournikova. :(

Beige
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by treufreund
beige,

I am tired of battling you. I think you have good intentions but you do think a lot of people are either racist or biased when actually they just have a different experience than you and see things differently. For heaven's sakes many African-Americans are very very dear to me and I even choose to go to a gym that is diverse and surround myself with all kinds of people. 3 of my best friends are black and 2 are Filipino and yes I know it's a cliche to say that but it's still true. Nonetheless I am a thinker and observer of our society and culture and I am white and dare to say some things that are maybe not pc. :D

Many of things you post here reek of "lily whiteness" but you don't seem to realize that. You sound actually like you live in all-white town. You're failing miserably to make any type of "worldly" impression. Sorry. :sad:

mboyle
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Infiniti2001
No Beige, treufreund speaks from both sides of his mouth :rolleyes: FYI James Blake's behaviour is mild compared to Hewitt who reminds me of some dumbass 20 year old frat boy who drinks too much beer and gets loud and obnoxious at a Smashmouth concert ...
Anyway , thanks for the article Gogogirl :D

Touche! I agree

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:53 PM
What is "lily-whiteness"? It's as if you have a problem with "whiteness"? You don't really make a very open-minded impression yourself. :sad:

I actually live in a diverse area and chose to live there. Growing up it was mostly white but has black friends whose families I visited as a child and fail to see what would be inherently wrong about where a person grows up. Where you grow up is not something that should be used to attack someone. Obviously the whole point is that we all come from different experiences and if WE LISTEN TO EACH OTHER then we can learn how others perceive things. It sounds like you write people off as soon as you think they might be "lily-white".

mboyle
Jul 15th, 2002, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by midora


And surely Andy Roddick gets undue attention as the Great White Hope. Even he said at this year's wimbly that he was treated like he could do no wrong.

Your bias is soooo obvious.

Andy is not called "the great WHITE hope" he is called the great American Hope. :rolleyes: And since I really don't have time to asses all of your comments. IMO, I don't believe anyone on this board is racist. Usually when people are being called racists, it is a case of over sensitivity IMO.

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 08:01 PM
Thank god he is not called that. I thought you had brought the whole great white hope concept and I agree that this phenomenon exists. It's basically just a back and forth type of situation where the race of great stars is always emphasized in our culture. It's a peculiarly sick situation in America that arises out of a long history of slavery, racism, inequality, race riots and today's political correctness. We have been struggling as a society with these issues for so long and the truth is that it really hurts ALL OF US. It's time that white people and black people and all others too realize that we all hurt and have been hurt by our own sins. :sad:

tennischick
Jul 15th, 2002, 08:03 PM
Dent-Head is butt ugly. here's proof http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1760000/images/_1763057_dent150.jpg

James has more talent and variety in his game than Dent-Head will ever dream of having. Dent-Head is an idiot with a big serve. he is sad proof that power can win out over talent anyday.

selesfan
Jul 15th, 2002, 08:05 PM
LOL! That is one scary pic, he isn't much in the looks department but he seems to be a nice guy. I think its nice the way the american players all seem to be buddies these days. You would never see Johnny Mac and Jimmy C hanging out together or Pete or Andre.

tennischick
Jul 15th, 2002, 08:07 PM
of course he may be quite nice. i'm not at all disputing that. just confirming that he is fugly. shall i provide more proof...?

selesfan
Jul 15th, 2002, 08:12 PM
LOL! You have convinced me.:) I also find his game boring, he has a big serve and not much else.

Dawn Marie
Jul 15th, 2002, 08:48 PM
Oh hell nah.. I just realized treufiend is from KENTUCKY.. lmao.

Beige stop making me laugh up in here... up in here.

myboyle your last statement was ludicrus and insensitive. Racism exist whether you choose to ignore it or not. I am glad I am fully aware, and I feel sorry for you for not being aware of what is actually out there.

vw43
Jul 15th, 2002, 08:55 PM
Nice article on Blake. He is very cute and I enjoy watching him play. I understand maybe being a bit peeved that the actual winner of the tournament didn't get more press but that's just life sometimes.

If Roddick is the next "Great White Hope" is Alexandra the next "Great Black Hope"...I found that whole line of dialogue mildly annoying.

oh and Dawn Marie..what were you implying about Kentucky? You weren't generalizing were you...?

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 08:56 PM
WHAT!!!!!!??????? Not much else. Try he can chip the ball wherever he wants, has great slice approaches, topspin forehand and slice forehand, textbook volleys, dropshots, excellent topspin lobs off BOTH WINGS!, tons of variety on his serves, topspin and slice backhand, drop volleys, stab volleys, half volleys.


Geez, how much more variety can you get???? I really don't get it at all. I think that you just think if a player has a big serve and comes to the net that they don't have variety when in reality Taylor pulled off TONS of AMAZING SHOTS! It's easy to just hang out on the baseline when you know that if you come to the net you don't have the skills but Taylor also won some forehand to forehand combat from the backcourt against James who has a fabulously strong forehand. Taylor won that battle by hitting James powerful forehand back even harder while CHANGING THE DIRECTION OF THE BALL and following it to the net. I say that is pretty damn good.

James undoubtedly has a lot of great shots and is also talented. That anyone can see but to say that taylor is just a serve is frankly bizarre! Also that pic of Taylor is SCARY! Thank god he doesn't look like that when he is being a gentleman giving a classy interview. :D

Kisha
Jul 15th, 2002, 09:00 PM
Thanks for the stuff about James!

Such a nice bloke!

Flappie
Jul 15th, 2002, 09:23 PM
James handsome?! :eek: Did I miss something here? :p

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 09:27 PM
Dawn is from Ohio. Ooh like Ohio is a hotbed of sophistication and progressive thinking. :rolleyes:

griffin
Jul 15th, 2002, 09:38 PM
Friends and fellow travelers: "profile" + "add to ignore list"

See? Much better!

Anyway, thanks for the article, Gogo, although I'm kind of hoping he doesn't get so hyped I can't stand the sight of his name.

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 15th, 2002, 09:58 PM
Did Taylor Dent date Jenn Hopkins?

Infiniti2001
Jul 15th, 2002, 10:10 PM
just confirming that he is fugly.

OMG tennischick, you have me spitting my drink all over my keyboard... I thought I was the only one who noticed hehe... yesterday I mentioned his fugliness to a friend who cracked up as well...:p

CC
Jul 15th, 2002, 10:12 PM
Whew! I'm glad I'm from New Jersey.

Kisha
Jul 15th, 2002, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Freethinker82
Did Taylor Dent date Jenn Hopkins?

yeah they did, or it could be yeah they are because i think they are still together, although i am not sure:)

Bella
Jul 15th, 2002, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by treufreund
Martina should not have said that the ONLY reason for the Williams marketability was because they are black but rather that it does give them an advantage in how much they get hyped.

Martina never said that. Williams fans on this board and the WTA and a couple of second-string internet columnists said that. You can't accidentally add "only" to the statement because it makes it an outrageous statement. She said "some" of their contracts. Some of the Williams fans added the word "only" and repeated it over and over. You fell for it. That's why they repeat it over and over. It makes many people believe a lie.

treufreund
Jul 15th, 2002, 10:48 PM
bella, you are right. The spin was put on Martina's quotes and THANK YOU for correcting me. But we all know that Martina's words were taken out of context and that what she said had some validity.

selesfan
Jul 15th, 2002, 11:01 PM
:rolleyes:

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 15th, 2002, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by treufreund
bella, you are right. The spin was put on Martina's quotes and THANK YOU for correcting me. But we all know that Martina's words were taken out of context and that what she said had some validity.

What a fu@king idiot you are...:rolleyes:


And yes, as someone said earlier, I am not suprised you are from Kentucky...:rolleyes:

Bella
Jul 15th, 2002, 11:29 PM
It is a beautiful state.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 15th, 2002, 11:38 PM
"Usually when people are being called racists, it is a case of over sensitivity IMO."

Has hell frozen over? :eek: I totally agree with mboyl :)

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
"Usually when people are being called racists, it is a case of over sensitivity IMO."

Has hell frozen over? :eek: I totally agree with mboyl :)

Becca, how the hell would you know? Live one week as a black man in America and I am sure that you would not agree with that load of shit mboyl just dished out. I will say that it is up to the indivual to rise above and succeed in spite of. Besides, minority people have a right to be sensitive. "Once bitten twice shy"...When you are constantly in a situation where you walk pass parked cars in the mall and white women are LOCKING their car doors despite the fact that you may make three times as much as they do or you talk to someone on the phone and because you are articulate they assume that you are white and they are just so anxious to meet you but when you show up to be interviewed you see clearly the disapointment on their face and all of a sudden the position may or may not be available. Or try catching a cab on christmas eve in midtown Manhattan with your arms full of packages and all you want to do is just get out of the maddness and get home. It is a slap in the face and quite a dose of reality. "Reality bites"...:rolleyes:

I say all this to say that yes some people are over sensitive. Just dont knock it just understand it...:wavey:

I will say that dispite it all I am getting my piece of the American pie and nobody can take it away from me. Say what you want...AND STILL I RISE...:kiss:

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by jp
White women are locking their car doors when you're near them? Wow what terrible experiences you have suffered. :sad:

WOW, out of everything I just said, that is all you get it? How sad for you. Oh, I get it...that was an attempt at humor...LOL. Dont worry, one of your fellow idiots will be by soon to pat you on the back...hang in there buddy...:wavey:

Greenout
Jul 16th, 2002, 12:31 AM
Did anyone watch the match?

Blakey was the number 1 seed at Newport. The article was
obviously written prior to the final.

I like Blakey. He's nice, smart and talented. I don't know
why the writer gives the impression that Blakey is getting
attention because he's half black and photogenic because
it's not true man!

Blakey improved a 100% with hard work, his game use to
really be boring. It was too much like Sampras, now Blakey
does stuff from the back and plays an all court game. I think
the tennis improvement is showing in his results.

Mind you, the "black" issue has been brought up; but never
really by Blakey himself. Other writers are lumping anybody
everybody into one easy William-ize category. Blakey is in
in his own category. If you compared the hype that Roddick
is getting or the free press that Tayloy "his Dad is a famous
Aussie Davis Cup doubles player" Dent have received over
Blakey you'll know that he's not getting a free ride; like some
people assume. Ok...sure Blakey received WC's in events,but
so has Mardy Fish, Cecil Mammitt, and Justin G so it's no big
deal.

If you recall the last hyped player ATP American player
that went nowhere with the same sort of "Tennis/modelling"
thing was Jan Michael Gambill. Who as you all know Jim Courier
and the Pat McEnroe seemed to have lost interest in (not in
the Davis Cup team anymore or even in their vocabulary). I
just hope that Blakey isn't used as the USTA ATP American player
flavour of the moment and let's his career go his own way.

P,S Dent is OK;but if I hear the "His dad was a famous
Australian Davis Cup doubles player" comment again by
TV commentators I'm leaving the room. :) Dent plays too
much like Scud IMHO. SCUD LITE.

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by jp
I'm not saying you never faced discrimination, but you should maybe try to find better examples than that the cab thing during Christmas and the mall thing :rolleyes: I hope you didn't expect people to respond seriously to your post after that kind of examples...

That is just pure ignorance and I feel so sorry for you. These experiences are real not just for black men but men of color throughout this country. HOW DARE YOU...I was the one standing in front of Bloomingdales a day before christmas after spending close to $1000 in one store and had cabs going around me to pick up someone else. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW DEHUMANIZING THAT IS? HOW DEMAENING?. How dare you tell me how I should feel. I thank god that I am not one to cry victim. These experiences made me a stronger and more determined. You do not have to understand. You can make lite of it all you want. I will forever be me. Just know that as I stand in your face and shake your hand I am aware of what you are capable of. Please get a clue...:sad:

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by jp
I'm not saying you never faced discrimination, but you should maybe try to find better examples than that the cab thing during Christmas and the mall thing :rolleyes: I hope you didn't expect people to respond seriously to your post after that kind of examples...

I still cant get over this one. UN-FU@KING BELIEVABLE...:eek:

tennischick
Jul 16th, 2002, 01:24 AM
this thread is a discredit to James Blake :hearts: :hearts: he deserves better than this crap. then again it all started with that disgusting article that tried to discredit him by comparing him to Anna. that was unfair -- James is a talented player who single-handedly helped us win Davis Cup. such short memories people have! it's not his fault that he is also gorgeous :lick: :p and can attract this kind of extra-curricular attention. and given how grounded he seems in home and family (see "Tennis" April 2002 for a better perspective), i'll be shocked if he lets this distract him from constantly improving his game. it's just a matter of time until he wins a tourny. but he has helped us to win Davis Cup on more than one occasion and those wins seriously count. in the meantime Dent-Head still can't figure out which country he really wants to play for -- Australia or the US. and the idiot with a big serve can scare children. don't take my word for it, see below...
http://www.********************/tr.net_photos_art/DENT_sm_wb_01_head.jpg

persond
Jul 16th, 2002, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Bella


Martina never said that. Williams fans on this board and the WTA and a couple of second-string internet columnists said that. You can't accidentally add "only" to the statement because it makes it an outrageous statement. She said "some" of their contracts. Some of the Williams fans added the word "only" and repeated it over and over. You fell for it. That's why they repeat it over and over. It makes many people believe a lie.

Bella, Bella, Bella,
What difference does it make whether or not she said "some", "a few", "alot", "very little", or "just some"???THE FACT IS "SHE SAID IT". You people are all the same, and, yes, I mean it just as you think I mean it!!! You can't argue the "fact" that she said it, you must also believe in being "a little pregnant"!!!!

And Treufreund, I, too, have a "few white friends"!! So, what????
And, I agree, you know full well what you say and say exactly what you mean. It's as simple as that!!!

selesfan
Jul 16th, 2002, 02:48 AM
LOL@tennischick! That picture is scarier than the first.:) He looks worse with the crew cut.

Greenout, I agree, he plays alot like Scud, another bore.

selesfan
Jul 16th, 2002, 02:50 AM
I'm not saying you never faced discrimination, but you should maybe try to find better examples than that the cab thing during Christmas and the mall thing I hope you didn't expect people to respond seriously to your post after that kind of examples...

What an insensitive post.:rolleyes:

treufreund
Jul 16th, 2002, 02:56 AM
persond has friends :eek:

Also Freethinker if you have a $1000 to blow at Bloomingdale then I hardly think you are suffering. Many people white and black have NOTHING for Christmas. Stop looking at your own suffering and realize that we all have huge battles. What is happened to you is terrible and I am not gonna even try to sugar coat that. But you don't own the moral authority anymore than anyone else .


As a gay man I have nearly HAD MY BRAINS BASHED IN BY HATERS. I have been fired from two jobs and it was told to me bluntly that it was because of my sexual orientation. I get called fag and harrassed by straight white men and black men on this board and in real life call me punk and think that is okay. I was tortured by my own brother and disowned by half of my "christian" family because of who I am and I live in fear that if I give my boyfriend a kiss even in San Francisco because I was taunted there. I could give a THOUSAND MORE EXAMPLES. Even at the tennis courts some people act like you have leprosy if they suspect that you are a "queer" Do I want pity or sympathy from you or anyone else? HELL NO! But you need to realize that there is no way I could want to exclude anybody based on who there are. I have lived that pain my whole life and know it very very well.

CC
Jul 16th, 2002, 03:04 AM
I'm not saying you never faced discrimination, but you should maybe try to find better examples than that the cab thing during Christmas and the mall thing I hope you didn't expect people to respond seriously to your post after that kind of examples...

How can he find better examples when that is what happened to him? :confused:

It is what it is.

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by treufreund
persond has friends :eek:
Also Freethinker if you have a $1000 to blow at Bloomingdale then I hardly think you are suffering. Many people white and black have NOTHING for Christmas. Stop looking at your own suffering and realize that we all have huge battles. What is happened to you is terrible and I am not gonna even try to sugar coat that. But you don't own the moral authority anymore than anyone else .


I could beat your stupid ass over the head with it and you are just too dumb to get it. Oh well :rolleyes:

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 03:17 AM
You are trying to say that because I studied hard, went to good schools and elevated myself above the likes of you and have the means to spend $1000 on myself at christmas I should overlook the fact that cab drivers will not stop for me because of the color of my skin? The fact that I make a decent living should be enough and I should forget my rights as a citizen of this country. NO, You do that. You be happy with the material things that you have and give up your right to be treated like a human. Kinda like we threw your black ass a bone so shut the fuck up and be happy...

:rolleyes:

treufreund
Jul 16th, 2002, 03:17 AM
what no response to the rest of my post? And no you could not beat my "stupid ass" and no I am not too dumb to get it. I guess you totally missed the fact that I did get what you wrote but you certainly did not get anything of what I wrote. :rolleyes:

treufreund
Jul 16th, 2002, 03:19 AM
You WILL NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!! I did not say anything of the sort and stop going on the offensive when you need to read what I wrote. What I said is that you DO NOT OWN THE ABSOLUTE MORAL AUTHORITY. Sorry but you are not on the top of the "victimization hierarchy" as much as you pretend to be. I work damn hard too but my mother was a widow and we were very poor. I will persevere nonetheless!

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 03:24 AM
Besides, no pitty for me please...There is nothing that you or any other white can do for me but respect me. The point in my original post was to say that although some black people might draw the race card at times for the wrong reasons, you must understand the reason for the sensitivity. You do not live in our skin and you do not see the subtle more prevalant forms of racism that many blacks and other minorities encounter every day. Show a little sensitivity :wavey:

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by treufreund
You WILL NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!! I did not say anything of the sort and stop going on the offensive when you need to read what I wrote. What I said is that you DO NOT OWN THE ABSOLUTE MORAL AUTHORITY. Sorry but you are not on the top of the "victimization hierarchy" as much as you pretend to be. I work damn hard too but my mother was a widow and we were very poor. I will persevere nonetheless!

Are you out of your mind? I am never a victim. I will never claim to be a victim. You might try to victimize me but you are only a victim if you let yourself be on. NEVER will I be a victim. Again, you completly missed my point...:rolleyes:

Yes, I did not exactly grew up poor. I did go to college and yes I do maintaina certain standard of living. However, I do encounter racism by virtue of the fact that I live in a black skin. I will not lie to please you. I am sorry you grew up poor but poor or not, you would get a cab in Times Square much faster than I will...:wavey:

treufreund
Jul 16th, 2002, 03:31 AM
I show a lot of sensitivity actually. It's you who seem to think that anyone who is not you does not deserve respect. I don't live in your skin nor have you lived my experiences of discrimination.

Also joy I don't use my gayness to justify anything at all since I have nothing at all to justify. The point I was making is that nobody better preach to me about what it's like to be a minority. I have also often been in situations where I was the only white person or only American and know what that feels like. I have a lot of sympathies to African Americans and usually GRAVITATE towards them if I perceive them to be Non-homophobic.

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by joy
once again freethinker- cowtow to the white man and be happy for all your blessings- stop complaining Again- stop responding to ignorance and "i have 6 Black friends, 2 Asian etc.....we've heard that before!
:rolleyes:

Treu- although discrimination is discrimination- please do not bring up your 'gayness' to defend anything you say---that in itself is belittling the plight of Black people!!

Joy, I hear you and I agree. I must say that I will NEVER compromise my principles and "schuck and jive" to any of these people. I dont want a thing from anyone. None of these people owe me nothing more than respect and the acknowledgment that the plight of many "minority" people in this country is a direct result of the crimes of their forefathers.

treufreund
Jul 16th, 2002, 03:59 AM
I guess we are supposed to buy this crap that we are responsible for what our "forefathers" did. :rolleyes:

You guys obviously have issues with white people because you keep bringing up all this stuff about not having to get validation from whites. Well I guess I could say that I don't need my experiences and viewpoints validated by straight people or black people or the politically correct or the Christian establishment. I could say that but then again nobody was implying that nor was anyone implying that you need the validation of others.

M2k
Jul 16th, 2002, 04:10 AM
It's just too bad this thread about James! turns into such ugly dispute between some nutcases:sad:

anyway, James is pureeeeee sex! :D plus he's great friends with Jan-Mike:hearts: ...what else can I ask for:drool:

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by joy
Freethinker- IGNORE, IGNORE!! I am and was speaking to you:)

when i address my responses to 'YOU'- i'll let you know!!

So Joy, did you see the match? Man I was hoping that James could come back during the third set...:fiery:

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 04:17 AM
Sorry to GOGOGIRL...I was just responding to a poster with my first post...:wavey:

treufreund
Jul 16th, 2002, 04:24 AM
Please note the name calling. Sign of a poster who has run out of intelligent things to say and who is showing his true colors.

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 16th, 2002, 04:33 AM
I dont know if he played badly in the first. I think that Taylor was serving very well. James needed to adjust to his game on grass. He picked it up a bit in the second. I had to go out and did not see all of the second set. I think that James have a big enough serve and moves well. The rest of his game will come along...

persond
Jul 16th, 2002, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by treufreund
I guess we are supposed to buy this crap that we are responsible for what our "forefathers" did. :rolleyes:

You guys obviously have issues with white people because you keep bringing up all this stuff about not having to get validation from whites. Well I guess I could say that I don't need my experiences and viewpoints validated by straight people or black people or the politically correct or the Christian establishment. I could say that but then again nobody was implying that nor was anyone implying that you need the validation of others.

HaHaHaHaHaHahah HaaahHaHaHaHaHaHaHa...HaaaahhHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa:kiss : :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 16th, 2002, 08:08 AM
Freethinker82 - I should have included the full quote.

On the BOARD when people throw around the label of racist like there is no tomorrow, 95% of the time I think they are wrong.

In real life, I tend not to case judgement on such things.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 16th, 2002, 08:10 AM
joy - I've only seen James on TV a couple times, but most recently at Wimbledon against Krajicek.

There is was serving and volleying every chance that he got.

He moves well enough that it is somewhat effective on grass.

If it wasn't it wouldn't have taken 9 service games for Richard to break him in the last set.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 16th, 2002, 08:17 AM
"Dent plays too
much like Scud IMHO. SCUD LITE."

Well he does sort of, but he isnt' as good.

Mark serves better, and returns serve better. His groundstrokes are more consistent, etc etc.

Just my two cents :) LOL out Scud Lite though ;)

Crazy Canuck
Jul 16th, 2002, 08:29 AM
"None of these people owe me nothing more than respect and the acknowledgment that the plight of many "minority" people in this country is a direct result of the crimes of their forefathers."

Now I agree that people who don't know you, should respect you as much as they would anyone else - skin colour ignored, since it shouldn't matter.

However I don't agree that all white people should sit back and think "all the things wrong with this country, all the minorities who are being mistreated - my fault" - that isn't fair, nor is it even correct.

Furthermore, focussing on what happened in the past several hundred years, and trying to put the blame on one group of people, isn't going to make things any better. It is just going to discriminate against more people, and piss people off more.

Children going to school should be learning about history, and how that has made an impact on where things stand today. But people who had nothing to do with that, shouldn't be taking any responsibility for it.

Everyone however, should be taking the responsibility to make things better.

Untill people stop blaming each other, things won't get any better.


Before you start a rebuttle about how I'm turning things around - I am NOT turning things around. I do not defend the white people, or black people, or flourescent blue people or whatever, who are racist and ignorant. I will NEVER defend the actions of those people, because they are wrong.

None of what I have said, is being directed at people who are black who may have some issues with white people, because of how they have been treated.

I am simply saying that the ignorance of many, has caused a problem for everybody. And untill everybody acknowledges that they are part of the problem, it won't be fixed.