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Sally Struthers
Sep 21st, 2007, 01:48 AM
Sorry but I can't find the other thread...

anyone watching? I like the red team and the grave digger so far. Chicken annoys me

Cam'ron Giles
Sep 21st, 2007, 01:52 AM
The grave diggers body...:help: :hearts:

Martian KC
Sep 21st, 2007, 02:05 AM
LFR@Chicken's reaction after being voted out. I'm gonna miss him.

I don't have any favs, but the grave digger is pretty interesting guy.

IceHock
Sep 21st, 2007, 02:06 AM
im glad chicken is gone, theres no way i could put up with that voice for like 10 episodes

Ellery
Sep 21st, 2007, 02:06 AM
I am already disliking Courtney very much after the first episode.

Sally Struthers
Sep 21st, 2007, 02:08 AM
I am already disliking Courtney very much after the first episode.

yes.. the Queen of Negativity :rolleyes:

Ellery
Sep 21st, 2007, 02:16 AM
yes.. the Queen of Negativity :rolleyes:

When she was in the buddhist temple, and was all like "Um, I don't want to like um, kneel 30 times, cause like, um..." Shut up please. :help: Seriously. And when she said "people in the city aren't like that" :rolleyes: Gotta love her positive attitude :rolleyes:

drake3781
Sep 21st, 2007, 02:34 AM
When she was in the buddhist temple, and was all like "Um, I don't want to like um, kneel 30 times, cause like, um..." Shut up please. :help: Seriously. And when she said "people in the city aren't like that" :rolleyes: Gotta love her positive attitude :rolleyes:

Courteney reminds me of Danielle Donato from BB8. :tape:


I liked the Christian lady, actually, not for leaving the temple but for some things she did aferward.

Getting rid of Chicken was a mistake and I hope they suffer for it wth Ashley around at least three more days.

I liked Ping-whatever for trying to put some order in that place.

The gravedigger may end up being one of my favorites.

There are two big white guys who I cannot yet tell apart, one on each tribe. Dave maybe is one? I think they both end up being their tribe leaders.

They showed nothing of the black girl except her dancing around one time.. remains to be seen if she can contribute.

The professional poker... not so sure... seems like he might be a bit hard to communicate with.

If you read the profiles, so many of these people are models or former models. I HATE that type of casting!!! I wonder if Erkia from BB All Stars was involved in that? Same thing they are doing on Big Brother now too. Please give us real people!! I don't care how they look. :fiery:

#1SteffiGraf#1
Sep 21st, 2007, 02:36 AM
Yet another stereotypical cast, imo. All the sterotypes of previous seasons are here again. Which means itll be interesting enough

#1SteffiGraf#1
Sep 21st, 2007, 02:39 AM
Courteney reminds me of Danielle Donato from BB8. :tape:


I liked the Christian lady, actually, not for leaving the temple but for some things she did aferward.

Getting rid of Chicken was a mistake and I hope they suffer for it wth Ashley around at least three more days.

I liked Ping-whatever for trying to put some order in that place.

The gravedigger may end up being one of my favorites.

There are two big white guys who I cannot yet tell apart, one on each tribe. Dave maybe is one? I think they both end up being their tribe leaders.

They showed nothing of the black girl except her dancing around one time.. remains to be seen if she can contribute.

The professional poker... not so sure... seems like he might be a bit hard to communicate with.

If you read the profiles, so many of these people are models or former models. I HATE that type of casting!!! I wonder if Erkia from BB All Stars was involved in that? Same thing they are doing on Big Brother now too. Please give us real people!! I don't care how they look. :fiery:


Exactly...I think what they try to do every season is find a mix of clashing personalities, and eye candy. I just wish they would mix it up a bit. Im sure they get casted like the BB gets casted...myspace, modeling/acting etc.

Ellery
Sep 21st, 2007, 02:42 AM
I think Courtney is worse than Daniele :rolleyes: Courtney just seems a plain mean bitch (that's my impression after episode 1), and I already think of her as a mix of Dick and Daniele, which does not make her likable in my book :tape:

I respect the Christian lady, Leslie, for sticking up to her personal beliefs and I think she tried to be as respectful about it as possible. Also liked the way she took James under her wing. I like both Dave and Peih Gee too. And of course, James is awesome.

And on another note, what's with all the um, cleavage shots? :lol:

Scotso
Sep 21st, 2007, 03:38 AM
I think Todd is my favorite so far. He was so cute. :lol:

But omfg... Erik is HOT! :drool: :inlove:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 21st, 2007, 04:25 AM
I like the red team more right now. havent got a read on anyone yet.

btw how can you be a gay mormon flight attendant :p

Dawn Marie
Sep 21st, 2007, 05:06 AM
My cable went out!! fuckin cable wire is all over my entire freakin street!!!! some damn truck hit a freakin pole and wire is all over!

FUCK!!!!

eck
Sep 21st, 2007, 05:33 AM
Courtney's an idiot.
Why bother coming to Survivor if you knew you would meet people from all walks of life?
Leslie's refusal to bow down is understandable.
Chicken's reaction :lol:
Time for Ms. Wrestler to come out next week :yeah:

Mateo Mathieu
Sep 21st, 2007, 06:30 AM
I haven't seen this season but I see Assley is still around. I hope she's the next one to out cos I can't stand her. As a WWE fan, believe me, she's incredible awful at the ring ;)

Scotso
Sep 21st, 2007, 01:32 PM
I haven't seen this season but I see Assley is still around. I hope she's the next one to out cos I can't stand her. As a WWE fan, believe me, she's incredible awful at the ring ;)

You haven't seen the show and you can't stand her?

Mateo Mathieu
Sep 21st, 2007, 01:36 PM
You haven't seen the show and you can't stand her?
You haven't seen her in WWE? :p

rockstar
Sep 21st, 2007, 04:59 PM
i'm so glad chicken's out! he was so damn irritating with his 'whatever, i'll go with the flow' attitude just because they didn't listen to his suggestion once :rolleyes:

the grave digger's a potential fav cos his personality is not what i expected it to be

and ashley's gonna wrestle witht the christian lady :D

sfselesfan
Sep 21st, 2007, 05:40 PM
Saw it, liked it. It reminds me of some of the older seasons for some reason.

I like the red tribe.

James has the best physique in Survivor history, even better than that guy who dropped out the year Sandra won (Pearl Islands?). It'll be interesting to see if he holds out.

Todd: for once (since Hatch) a gay guy who looks like he can go far in the game. He's manipulative in a friendly sort of way. I have a feeling he could go far (based on the way they edit him).

I actually like having Courtney on the show, she makes it entertaining.

I was shocked that the Christian radio show host didn't completely irk me, I thought it was touching to see her approach James and try to help him socialize.

The lunch lady with a mullet is probably my favorite. I tend to like people like her on Survivor.

The yellow team is a hot mess. Chicken made the wrong play, he should have stepped up as a workhorse and been more assertive.

The wrestler and the asian girl's days are numbered unless the team can get it together. Sometimes people like the two of them do well if they can survive until the tribes get scrambled.

Basically, I like this season so far.

SF

Ryan
Sep 21st, 2007, 06:52 PM
I was hoping Ashley wouldnt go, I like her but she seems a little too bitchy and annoying to make it far. I still dont understand why people show up to Survivor wearing nice/completely innapropriate clothing. Do they never watch any fucking seasons? Castaways NEVER get luggage, and ALWAYS get shipped off in their good duds. I dont like Sharena? already - if you hate the outdoors dont go on this show, please.

My favorites so far are the Undertaker (grave diggers ok, but undertaker sounds so much better), Frosti, PG, and a brown haired chick on the Red tribe who they didnt show at all haha. Looks to be good so far.

Harju.
Sep 21st, 2007, 07:03 PM
Ugh, I missed it on TV. I completely forgot about it.
I hope it's on youtube.

sfselesfan
Sep 21st, 2007, 08:33 PM
Ugh, I missed it on TV. I completely forgot about it.
I hope it's on youtube.

Go here and click play - first full episode, but don't scroll down if you haven't seen who got voted out.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor15/video.php

SF

Blu€
Sep 22nd, 2007, 01:37 AM
I still dont understand why people show up to Survivor wearing nice/completely innapropriate clothing. Do they never watch any fucking seasons? Castaways NEVER get luggage, and ALWAYS get shipped off in their good duds.

I totally agree.

Glad Chicken was voted out, couldnt stand his voice or his go-with-the-flow attitude, still wouldnt have mind if the wrestler girl had gone, she did nothing & I hate her piercings :lol: . From the other team I didnt like the christian lady, "i'm not a religious person but I have a relation with god" ?????? , didnt like either the fat guy who thought that they gay one was lying about his job, why would he? I mean it's not like he said that he worked as Bush assistant or anything "important" or unbelievable

No Name Face
Sep 22nd, 2007, 02:27 AM
James FTW. chill dude, for sure. i dunno if i'd ever want to be that jacked personally, but if that isn't someone that is made for survivor, i don't know who is.
And a bible thumping christian lady i don't despise...at least initially...what a concept!

Scotso
Sep 22nd, 2007, 02:30 AM
You haven't seen her in WWE? :p

No. Watching people pretend to hurt each other isn't very entertaining for me.

Scotso
Sep 22nd, 2007, 02:32 AM
Since everyone always does it, it probably means they force them to do so.

drake3781
Sep 22nd, 2007, 03:13 AM
....And a bible thumping christian lady i don't despise...at least initially...what a concept!

Probably because she is not bible thumping. In fact it might not have even come up if Jeff hadn't had to point out that she left the temple in front of everybody. That was unnecessary. She may turn out to be one who just lives her beliefs and doesnt have to talk about it; which is fine by me.

LeonHart
Sep 22nd, 2007, 03:20 AM
Ohhh man so far I LOVE Frosti. I look for him to go far in the game.

I didn't like Leslie at first, when she refused to bow down to the Buddha or whatever, but...grew to like her when she held her hand out to James and so forth.

Looking forward to this season :)

Drake1980
Sep 22nd, 2007, 04:03 AM
OMG, the show is so good already!! I love it:hearts:

Scotso
Sep 22nd, 2007, 05:57 AM
Probably because she is not bible thumping. In fact it might not have even come up if Jeff hadn't had to point out that she left the temple in front of everybody. That was unnecessary. She may turn out to be one who just lives her beliefs and doesnt have to talk about it; which is fine by me.

She's a Christian talk show host, no? That pretty much tells me that she doesn't just keep her beliefs to herself.

More likely she's doing it only in this game to keep people from hating her.

Scotso
Sep 22nd, 2007, 06:28 AM
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6678/untitled6sp9.png

Not only is he hot, but he looks like he's really packing. :drool: :lol:

Loves it!

mckyle.
Sep 22nd, 2007, 06:33 AM
that pic looks altered. i doubt a line would be THAT visible.

Scotso
Sep 22nd, 2007, 06:52 AM
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Doesn't affect me either way. I'll still have fun with it. :lol:

And since I have thin boxers and a penis, I can tell you that it can indeed be quite visible, but the line does seem to go too high.

In any case, it's added to my spank bank. :lick:

FrchTwst
Sep 22nd, 2007, 08:29 AM
Liked the religious lady, Lesie for talking to James. I think the yellow team made a huge mistake, I would have got rid of the lazy sick girl. Love Courtney!!! She is such a bitch :)

doni1212
Sep 22nd, 2007, 04:32 PM
I really like this season, :yeah:

FLL
Sep 23rd, 2007, 02:09 AM
I really like Ashley and I can't wait to see her tackle the Bible lady.. She reminds me of Joana from Amazon.. Too religious to play Survivor.. Come on girl.. pray but don't put it in people's faces... I also like the black girl who is a teacher (forgot her name)..

I also like Todd on the red team but he's basicly the only one I like on the red team so right now, I'm rooting for the yellow.. Jean-Robert :confused::help: I can read people :lol: Are you really a flight attendent??? Come on! Who gives a fuck...

Ellery
Sep 28th, 2007, 02:06 AM
Loved the episode :worship:

Ashley is gone :D What the heck though, I may have seen wrong but didn´t Sherea vote for Ashley? :confused: And then she was wiping away tears :o

The mud wrestling challenge was pretty entertaining, what with so many people ending up, um, naked or almost naked :lol: Todd is in a great position right now, an alliance of 3, and then a clue that came out of nowhere. Poor Leslie, she really does trust Todd :help:

Ellery
Sep 28th, 2007, 02:08 AM
And the best quote: Jean-Robert "Why don't we all just, um, rest?" :haha: :spit:

Willam
Sep 28th, 2007, 02:10 AM
This show isnt showed in venezuela! :(!

drake3781
Sep 28th, 2007, 02:27 AM
This show isnt showed in venezuela! :(!

Doesn't everyone hate the US there anyway? :lol: (or so we hear... just kidding though).

drake3781
Sep 28th, 2007, 02:35 AM
Loved the episode :worship:

Ashley is gone :D What the heck though, I may have seen wrong but didn´t Sherea vote for Ashley? :confused: And then she was wiping away tears :o

The mud wrestling challenge was pretty entertaining, what with so many people ending up, um, naked or almost naked :lol: Todd is in a great position right now, an alliance of 3, and then a clue that came out of nowhere. Poor Leslie, she really does trust Todd :help:


I ended up being ambivalent about Ashley being booted. If you had asked me last week, I would have wanted it, but she seemed less annoying, and more right about her conflict with the "leader". The "leader" I forget his name WAS very condescending and arrogant and his facial expressions were really uncalled for. So if he was booted, I wouldn't have minded either.

Is Sherea the black girl with the large breasts? I feel really bad for her with those things and only a bra to wear this entire time. OMG! :help:

I do like the Chinese girl on that tribe.

Ellery
Sep 28th, 2007, 02:38 AM
Yeah, Peih-Gee really toned down on her bossiness this week. And unlike Sherea, Ashley and Jaime, she ACTUALLY worked.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 28th, 2007, 02:57 AM
Dave seems to have the control in that tribe since noone voted for Dave other than Ashley. Go Todd!

Scotso
Sep 28th, 2007, 08:09 AM
I really wish Dave had gone. That guy really worships himself, what a dickhead. His reaction to people who don't agree with him 100% makes me want to puke. I wouldn't be surprised if he "accidentally" drowns. :p

Erik is getting hotter the dirtier he gets. :drool: :lol:

Scotso
Sep 28th, 2007, 08:10 AM
And the best quote: Jean-Robert "Why don't we all just, um, rest?" :haha: :spit:

He seems to think he's the ultimate in intellectual superiority. To me he just seems like a chubby, lazy moron.

Scotso
Sep 28th, 2007, 08:11 AM
I really like Ashley and I can't wait to see her tackle the Bible lady.. She reminds me of Joana from Amazon.. Too religious to play Survivor.. Come on girl.. pray but don't put it in people's faces...

I'm not a religious person or a big fan of many Christians, but I haven't seen her push her beliefs on anyone.

rockstar
Sep 28th, 2007, 05:03 PM
I really wish Dave had gone. That guy really worships himself, what a dickhead. His reaction to people who don't agree with him 100% makes me want to puke. I wouldn't be surprised if he "accidentally" drowns. :p



yeah, plus ashley would have made a better show with all the bitchiness and drama surrounding her :p

i'm starting to like jaime, she's the girl without the bra right? :scratch:

Harju.
Sep 28th, 2007, 05:40 PM
I already found a favorite in Todd! I think he's going to do very well. He reminded me of Brian C of Amazon. I like Courtney for her cattiness. LOL. Is it funny that the Christian radio host would choose the gay one as her alliance?

The yellow team is a hot mess. I think they are going to get crushed for most part of the challenges. Dave is annoying. I was hoping that Ashley would bodyslam him already.

I looooooved the reward challenge. It was pretty intense but it was kinda obvious that the red team was going to win with all the buffy men.

Cam'ron Giles
Sep 28th, 2007, 06:16 PM
Last night's reward challenge was HOT!!!! :o

IceHock
Sep 28th, 2007, 06:20 PM
k, can't stand dave or todd, i'm loving the religious lady forgot her name, aaron, stephanie, and jamie.

Scotso
Sep 28th, 2007, 08:29 PM
Is it funny that the Christian radio host would choose the gay one as her alliance?

Who knows. There are two possibilities... one is that she is ignorant about such obvious things like a lot of the right-wingers out there, the second is that she isn't the conservative type of Christian radio host... they're more rare, but I have met a lot of devout Christians that take the Bible's advice and don't judge others. Actually there's another possibility, which would also fit a lot of Christians... that she knows he's gay and hates him, but will do whatever she thinks is necessary for her own benefit. :p

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 28th, 2007, 09:45 PM
Last night's reward challenge was HOT!!!! :o

It was but sometimes people don't think like the wrestling chick.

You got big ass titties obviously enhanced and there's a big black man in front of you who doesn't have the best of social skills.
Use them. Distract him with those balloons. Take off your top.

He would have hesitated, believe me.

Cam'ron Giles
Sep 28th, 2007, 09:49 PM
It was but sometimes people don't think like the wrestling chick.

You got big ass titties obviously enhanced and there's a big black man in front of you who doesn't have the best of social skills.
Use them. Distract him with those balloons. Take off your top.

He would have hesitated, believe me.

I would have gone for the boxers...screw the game...:o

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 28th, 2007, 10:12 PM
I would have gone for the boxers...screw the game...:o

I'm now starting to see why your Survivor audition tape was "lost" in the mail. :p

FrchTwst
Sep 28th, 2007, 10:41 PM
The Yellow team is in deep trouble, they have to win the next Immunity challegnes or else when the merge comes, the red team will just pick them off one by one

Denise4925
Sep 28th, 2007, 11:07 PM
Well, I don't know enough about the personalities to pick favorites yet, but I like looking at James. He is soooooooo phoine :drool:

As far as people saying what people do or don't do, such as Shereya (sp?), we don't really know how much they help or don't help. It depends on how the show is edited.

I kinda like Jean Robert and the blond skinny girl (who seemed to complain somewhat) so far, but we'll see how it plays out.

I don't like the gay flight attendant so far. I have a feeling his shit is going to get blown up soon. I hate that the Christian radio host trusted him with that information before even forming an alliance with him or at least trying to. I can see now either she's going home soon or she will fly under the radar b/c she's not a threat and doesn't know how to play the game. I do love the fact that she tried to get James to open up and polish his social skills.

Meghanns Journey
Sep 29th, 2007, 12:43 AM
It's always annoying that the show has now been on forever (what is it now? Season 16?) and the majority of the people who end up on Survivor DON'T know how to play the game. :( The people who make the dumb mistakes (the religious lady, Jean-Robert, Dave, P.G.) deserve NOT to win. It won't surprise me at all if they are kicked out early.

Ryan
Sep 29th, 2007, 01:23 AM
Yeah, im extremely surprised at how stupid some people are. I really like the girl who allied with Todd (brown hair, really hot, whats her name) as well as James, Frosti, PG, Jamie, and the guy who is in the alliance with Todd/hot girl. Cant stand Dave - dont really the the twig waitress girl, or Todd or Jean-Robert. I love seeing people who think they're hot shit get torn down, and both Todd and JeanRobert come across as extremely cocky.

drake3781
Sep 29th, 2007, 02:06 AM
I'm not a religious person or a big fan of many Christians, but I haven't seen her push her beliefs on anyone.

I agree and I don't know why everyone (here) is jumping down her throat, since we haven't seen her do anything even remotely annoying for her beliefs. Exiting the temple was handled discreetly by her, and only Jeff brought it up to try to make something of it. :shrug:

rockstar
Sep 29th, 2007, 01:02 PM
just a note, for a wrestler, ashley sure got owned pretty badly! i remember her being sprawled on her back, with her big boobs sticking out, and her legs in the air like a tortoise (minus the big boobs of course!) :p

Cage
Sep 29th, 2007, 03:21 PM
Oh why couldnt Ashely stay longer now she will return to the wrestling and she sucks big time :scared:

Meesh
Sep 29th, 2007, 08:47 PM
It's too early for me to pick a fave. I can't believe Leslie told Todd about the clue. :mad: Bad move! Check out a portion of Leslie's bio... pretty interesting.. she has 4 kids :worship:

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She was Mrs. North Carolina in the Mrs. USA pageant in Las Vegas in August 2001. In March 2003, she was the first New York finalist in the Regis & Kelly co-host search when Kelly went on maternity leave. In April 2006, she went on a mission trip to La Paz, Cochabamba and Santa Cruz, Bolivia, where they spent most of their time outdoors in the Andes Mountains visiting Compassion International-sponsored children in underdeveloped areas.

Nease has auditioned for SURVIVOR every season for the past five years. She always wanted to experience SURVIVOR for herself and decided she wasn't giving up.
------

I don't like Dave or the lazy poker player!

Blu€
Sep 30th, 2007, 03:14 AM
Second episode was much better, as all I loved the reward challenge it was really intense :lol: . Glad red team won again, I kinda dont like any of the yellow members.....On the other side, I like the Todd & Amanda & Aaron alliance, still I really cant stand the christian lady & her dramma with "I need my bible"! Stop crying no divine powers are going to make u get to the final!

Scotso
Sep 30th, 2007, 03:35 AM
I don't like the yellow team, but I want Erik to stick around for a long time. :drool:

Mateo Mathieu
Sep 30th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Oh why couldnt Ashely stay longer now she will return to the wrestling and she sucks big time :scared:
No, the CBS asked WWE to make sure Assley not coming back until after the final aired which is in January ;)

Scotso
Oct 5th, 2007, 03:03 AM
I really love that Erik is wearing those thin little boxers. :drool:

Ellery
Oct 5th, 2007, 03:05 AM
Couldn't watch it today cause I was volunteering, I guess I'll watch it online tomorrow.

drake3781
Oct 5th, 2007, 03:33 AM
Is the blonde girl that Leslie chose to give the clue to another Christian? Whoever it was that said needing to get rid of one of the Christians because they get together was right.

I wish Leslie would have told somebody what her clue said, if she knew she was going, but I guess she didn't know.

Courtney does have a point... if all the comps are geared toward weight and brawn, then casting really needs to choose people more evenly. Really, though, the comps shouldn't be all set up that way; there are a lot of other types of comps that can be used... what about something that favors smaller people? Courtney though is just plain too skinny, no matter what.

Harvs
Oct 5th, 2007, 03:37 AM
it hasnt started in aus yet:(:(

Meesh
Oct 5th, 2007, 04:21 AM
~I don't like the physical challenges as much. Not every week trying to kick the crap out of each other.
~Pretty funny how everyone is fearful of a Christian alliance.


~LEAST FAVORITES ==> Jean-Robert, Todd and Dave (condescendign a$$hole w/ some serious issues... i wonder if he is on meds and couldn't take them for the 40 days)

:lol: @ grave digger and Jean Robert converstation about Courtney, "Sister Christian" , etc.

Wannabeknowitall
Oct 5th, 2007, 04:41 AM
Courtney does have a point... if all the comps are geared toward weight and brawn, then casting really needs to choose people more evenly. Really, though, the comps shouldn't be all set up that way; there are a lot of other types of comps that can be used... what about something that favors smaller people? Courtney though is just plain too skinny, no matter what.

I don't think the comp favored anyone.
I think they all had strategy and execution involved.

The challenge for immunity this week is an example of that.
Everyone executed the right way with the sword except Courtney.
It actually reminded me of tennis.

Courtney is Daniela Hantuchova if she didn't know how to execute.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Oct 5th, 2007, 05:22 AM
How did Courtney not get chosen to leave. All she is, is skin and bones.
I guess the who's weakest was all bullshit since Sister Christian ;) had good ties to the other tribe they felt threatened by her.

sfselesfan
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:19 AM
Loved the boat challenge.

Like James a lot less.

Loving Courtney (she's getting good edits-don't underestimate her), Todd, Denise and Phie-Gee.

Good riddance to Leslie. She was nice and all, but I try to live by the mantra..."so many obnoxious Christians, so few lions."

SF

stickwitju(ju)
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:03 AM
ROTF! A popular Survivor spoiler site were totally wrong about yesterday's boot. I mean they didn't even get the right tribe.

:haha:

And what do y'all think? 2 Courtneys = 1 Hantuchova?

:angel:

sfselesfan
Oct 6th, 2007, 12:32 AM
Courtney Ownage! Don't f-k with my bitch! She'll claw your eyes out.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3698/gangsign2aff1.gif

SF

Ellery
Oct 6th, 2007, 12:40 AM
Courtney was barely able to hold her machete :help:
The Zhan Hu women really kicked ass in the reward challenge. :worship:
Dave stripping naked = :vomit:

smarties
Oct 6th, 2007, 12:57 AM
Dave stripping naked = :vomit:

On that, could somebody eplease explain to me the strategy behing that ''move'':rolleyes:

Ryan
Oct 6th, 2007, 01:20 AM
I think he was hoping there would be nothing to grab on to, and people might be reticent of humping him and getting his doodad all over them.

I dont mind that Leslie is gone, but I hope Courtney goes soon. That girl is not even a human as far as I'm concerned, shes so skinny its not even real. The IC was NOT physical except for the dragging of the puzzle - chopping through wood with a machete was ONLY difficult for Courtney. PG, Amanda etc. all could do it - if you want the challenges to be "fair" then Courtney should have had to hack through dental floss.

I really like Aaron, Amanda, Jaime, James, and Frosti.

LeonHart
Oct 6th, 2007, 03:12 AM
I'm rootin for my homeboy Frosti!

The reward challenge was :lol:
I think Dave stuck his wiener into Aaron's face in that challenge.

rockstar
Oct 6th, 2007, 03:20 AM
Courtney Ownage! Don't f-k with my bitch! She'll claw your eyes out.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3698/gangsign2aff1.gif

SF

courtney ownage!

last week she didnt even lift a finger and won 2 challenges
this week, she screwed up and wasnt even on the chopping block!
:rocker2:

Blu€
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:52 AM
Leslie :lol: :lol: , "I think they chose me because I'm a christian" :lol: :help: thank "god" you're gone! Clever Aaron, glad they didnt vote off J.Robert, he may be a pain but that Courtney girl is sooooooooooo useless & stupid by the way, knowing that she was going to hardly eat on the show why didnt she stuff her face before coming, I mean she looks like an eskeleton since day 1, hope she is next ....

sfselesfan
Oct 7th, 2007, 05:57 AM
Courtney's gunna W-O-R-K I-T! Australia Tina style! It's AAAALLLL About the social game for her. She seems like a survivor to me.

I like Todd and Amanda's little team up too.

Dave and Jean-Robert GOTTA GO! Sherea and Peih-Gee are my favorites on the yellow team. Peih-Gee is the Asian version of Lilith from Cheers.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/8356/crouchingtiger4.jpg + http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/65/Cheers_lilith.jpg/200px-Cheers_lilith.jpg = http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb259/jxxxxxblaze/crouching-tiger.gif

SF

Ryan
Oct 7th, 2007, 02:30 PM
How can people actually like Courtney? Not only is she useless, she's a bitch!

rockstar
Oct 7th, 2007, 04:02 PM
some of my favourite courtney gifs :p

http://i21.tinypic.com/2aktb6.gif

http://gickr.com/results3/anim_783cbe99-25a7-3a14-859c-e10a140d34ab.gif

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb259/jxxxxxblaze/wahh-wahh.gif

sfselesfan
Oct 8th, 2007, 06:17 PM
How can people actually like Courtney? Not only is she useless, she's a bitch!

That's why I like her.

She's not being fake. An urban girl in the jungle.


SF

FLL
Oct 8th, 2007, 07:28 PM
I'm still on the fence on what team to root for...

I like Sherea, PG and Erik on Zhan Hu and I like Todd, Amanda and mullet women Denise on Fei Long...

FLL
Oct 12th, 2007, 01:35 AM
OMG.. tonight's episode so far is fantastic! Great reward challenge, a fight between Sherea and Dave, a fantastic reward with fishing birds :lol: I want birds like that!!!

Scotso
Oct 12th, 2007, 02:21 AM
Dave is out :woohoo:

Scotso
Oct 12th, 2007, 02:22 AM
Now I hope Zhan Hu will start doing better.

Seeing Erik in that warrior outfit gave me a stiffy.

Scotso
Oct 12th, 2007, 02:22 AM
Erik's a virgin?! :tape:

Scotso
Oct 12th, 2007, 02:23 AM
Dave says he is humble. :lol: What a dickhead. Most annoying Survivor ever.

Ryan
Oct 12th, 2007, 02:23 AM
Tonight's episode was really really good. So glad Dave is gone, I hope Sherea is next because she's useless. Ditto for Jean-Robert, I like him a little more but he's still lazy. Double goes for Courtney - JR didnt want her to get burned and she gets mad for him "raising his voice" - shes a fucking waitress for crying out loud! Whenever they show her skeletal ass I want to hold her down and force feed her hamuburger meat.

My favorites so far are Frosti, Aaron, Amanda, PG, Jaime, James and Erik. So basically, Sherea, JR, Courtney, Todd, and Denise can go next and I'll be completely happy.

Drake1980
Oct 12th, 2007, 02:32 AM
It was so good tonight!!:hearts:

Ellery
Oct 12th, 2007, 02:43 AM
I missed today´s episode, but I heard JRob speaks some Mandarin. Is that true? Cause that would be pretty cool.

FLL
Oct 12th, 2007, 02:49 AM
Dave going makes tonight's episode even better!!!

Scotso
Oct 12th, 2007, 03:25 AM
I missed today´s episode, but I heard JRob speaks some Mandarin. Is that true? Cause that would be pretty cool.

It's true, that one really caught me off guard.

Scotso
Oct 12th, 2007, 03:38 AM
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6678/untitled6sp9.png

Not only is he hot, but he looks like he's really packing. :drool: :lol:

Loves it!

By the way, this picture isn't fake. I just saw it on the CBS website.

Tennisace
Oct 12th, 2007, 07:39 AM
For those of you that live in New York City, Courtney works at Coffee Shop in Union Square. I saw her as I was passing by last Sunday and she is really tiny, even post-Survivor weight. I can only imagine how tiny she got during the show.

For those of you who don't know Coffee Shop is waitressed by models and ex-models and notorious for its bad service, which I guess fits Courtney.

Zombielicious
Oct 12th, 2007, 03:11 PM
I really just want Jean Robert to go homeee. I can't stand him! And that one skinny looking girl, Courtney? last week, I felt really bad for her when she went first for the challenge. :sad: I just can't believe how skinny she is though, I mean my god! :eek:

I really like Sharea but she can barely even start a fire? :help:

drake3781
Oct 12th, 2007, 06:02 PM
I really just want Jean Robert to go homeee. I can't stand him! And that one skinny looking girl, Courtney? last week, I felt really bad for her when she went first for the challenge. :sad: I just can't believe how skinny she is though, I mean my god! :eek:

I really like Sharea but she can barely even start a fire? :help:

Sharea is exactly the kind of person I dislike... lazy, opinionated, closed-minded, no social skills, self-righteous, and in your face about it. :tape:

I think I like PG best right now... and I'm keeping an eye on the Christian lady... don't usually like that type but she hasn't been overbearing about it so far.

The Eric virgin preview was weird... who tells a girl he likes her and says he is a virgin at the same time? It's not like she was asking him to "do her" on the spot. :tape:

Harju.
Oct 12th, 2007, 06:32 PM
Erik and his glasses :hearts:. How cute were those fishing birds.
This can be potentially a good season. The challenges so far are very exciting. Then there's the drama. The kidnapping and hidden idol are interesting. Plus there's Courtney with her hilarious antics.

Wannabeknowitall
Oct 12th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Sharea is exactly the kind of person I dislike... lazy, opinionated, closed-minded, no social skills, self-righteous, and in your face about it. :tape:

The Eric virgin preview was weird... who tells a girl he likes her and says he is a virgin at the same time? It's not like she was asking him to "do her" on the spot. :tape:

At some point, I have to start believing that the editing on the show is a little bias.

You can't tell me that almost 80% of the black people that come on Survivor are lazy but I swear almost every season, there's an episode of Survivor where the focus is on black person supposedly being lazy.

It's just like Real World to me and their editing of the black man which just personifies a stereotype.

I don't think there's ever an appropriate time to tell someone you're a virgin in the days we live in. :lol:
If he told her while they were laying together in the bamboo, wouldn't it have still been a little off-putting?

Ryan
Oct 12th, 2007, 07:30 PM
At some point, I have to start believing that the editing on the show is a little bias.

You can't tell me that almost 80% of the black people that come on Survivor are lazy but I swear almost every season, there's an episode of Survivor where the focus is on black person supposedly being lazy.

It's just like Real World to me and their editing of the black man which just personifies a stereotype.

I don't think there's ever an appropriate time to tell someone you're a virgin in the days we live in. :lol:
If he told her while they were laying together in the bamboo, wouldn't it have still been a little off-putting?


I agree with the bias. Sherea, Cyrie, and Cassandra have all been from the same mold - except Cassandra was nice and quiet, but still lazy. I like James, but Anthony from last season sort of went away from a typical black male stereotype.

drake3781
Oct 12th, 2007, 08:37 PM
At some point, I have to start believing that the editing on the show is a little bias.

You can't tell me that almost 80% of the black people that come on Survivor are lazy but I swear almost every season, there's an episode of Survivor where the focus is on black person supposedly being lazy.

It's just like Real World to me and their editing of the black man which just personifies a stereotype.

I don't think there's ever an appropriate time to tell someone you're a virgin in the days we live in. :lol:
If he told her while they were laying together in the bamboo, wouldn't it have still been a little off-putting?

I agree with the bias. Sherea, Cyrie, and Cassandra have all been from the same mold - except Cassandra was nice and quiet, but still lazy. I like James, but Anthony from last season sort of went away from a typical black male stereotype.


Sherea is definitely lazy, she ADMITS it and DEFENDS it, and the other people on the tribe say the same thing about her.

James is not lazy.

And it's not just the lazy part about Sherea I don't like, it's the whole package. :tape:

But I do feel sorry for her having to wear that bra 24/7. Can't somebody lend her a shirt? Or maybe she could weave one from some palm fronds? :lol:

Ellery
Oct 12th, 2007, 09:26 PM
In Sherea´s case, it´s definitely not the edit. She basically told the camera that she IS lazy, and that not doing anything while the rest of her campmates worked their butt off is part of her strategy. :help:

Ellery
Oct 12th, 2007, 09:28 PM
Dave says he is humble. :lol: What a dickhead. Most annoying Survivor ever.

:lol: This said though, I can think of about 10 Survivors in the past 2 seasons that are more annoying than him :tape:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Oct 12th, 2007, 09:28 PM
Being lazy is not a strategy, being a floater is a strategy don't get the two mixed up.

They should have kicked her out for laying down all day, plus she acted like she carried the team in their challenges because that what she's supposedly saving her energy for. gimme a break

sfselesfan
Oct 12th, 2007, 09:38 PM
James' edit is evidence that Survivor does not exclusively portray black people as lazy.

As far as my opinion of this episode, I'll let my favorite Courtney express it for me...









http://images.yuku.com/image/png/15035b8589c627ba42bc95ebe0603de14e99f03_t.gif


I think Todd is sitting pretty according to the edit.

Nice to finally hear from the lunch lady.

SF

Ryan
Oct 12th, 2007, 09:45 PM
Sherea is definitely lazy, she ADMITS it and DEFENDS it, and the other people on the tribe say the same thing about her.

James is not lazy.

And it's not just the lazy part about Sherea I don't like, it's the whole package. :tape:

But I do feel sorry for her having to wear that bra 24/7. Can't somebody lend her a shirt? Or maybe she could weave one from some palm fronds? :lol:


I didn't say James was lazy, I think the typical black male stereotype is someone buff, cocky and not that smart.

Ryan
Oct 12th, 2007, 09:46 PM
Oh, can can you please cut back on the Courtney pics/images? It slows my internet way-the-fuck-down, lol.

Cam'ron Giles
Oct 12th, 2007, 09:49 PM
What's new? CBS contiues to cast overweight black women whome are potrayed as lazy, or a neck rolling bitch...:rolleyes: I live in America and I just dont see what these people are seeing..thank god most black folks I know are not that.

Cam'ron Giles
Oct 12th, 2007, 09:52 PM
I didn't say James was lazy, I think the typical black male stereotype is someone buff, cocky and not that smart.


You and everyone else can think that...they thaught Dreamz was not that smart but he outsmarted the "wise old Asian man"...Took his truck and got him kicked off...:tape:

sfselesfan
Oct 12th, 2007, 09:52 PM
It's pretty hard to not include an edit of Sherea being lazy when (1) she gave such on point confessionals about it, (2) it clearly bothers her tribe as they were discussing it while she was listening, (3) it was clearly an issue at tribal council and (4) it is the absolute opposite of nutty Dave in an episode where it was him or her being voted off. I don't find the edit inappropriate at all. I like Sherea. She's made a reasoned decision, expressed that decision to the camera and her tribemates and is thus fair game.

SF

sfselesfan
Oct 12th, 2007, 09:54 PM
Oh, can can you please cut back on the Courtney pics/images? It slows my internet way-the-fuck-down, lol.

Sucks for you.

SF

Denise4925
Oct 12th, 2007, 10:33 PM
Sharea is exactly the kind of person I dislike... lazy, opinionated, closed-minded, no social skills, self-righteous, and in your face about it. :tape:

:rolleyes: This is probably why Sharea is my fave, but I don't think she's lazy, just smart about conserving her energy. She's been kicking ass in the comps and I could care less about what they do in the damn camp. Also, she's still there and her social skills seem fine to me. She bonded with all of the women and she hasn't had a confrontation with anyone but Dave (which is not hard to imagine). I guess they realized that it's more important to win comps then boil water.

Opinionated, close-minded, self-righteous?? Based on what? This episode is the first time she's spoken. How did you form such a strong opinion based on one episode?

I think I like PG best right now... and I'm keeping an eye on the Christian lady... don't usually like that type but she hasn't been overbearing about it so far.

Hmmm, I wonder why.

:scratch: Didn't the "Christian lady" get voted out last week?

Denise4925
Oct 12th, 2007, 10:38 PM
I agree with the bias. Sherea, Cyrie, and Cassandra have all been from the same mold - except Cassandra was nice and quiet, but still lazy. I like James, but Anthony from last season sort of went away from a typical black male stereotype.


I totally agree with the bias theory and if you're ignorant you'll buy into it.

Not only was Anthony a far cry from the typical black male stereotype, but so was the winner from last year. He was smart, articulate and had a great strategy.

Denise4925
Oct 12th, 2007, 10:40 PM
In Sherea´s case, it´s definitely not the edit. She basically told the camera that she IS lazy, and that not doing anything while the rest of her campmates worked their butt off is part of her strategy. :help:

Jean Robert said that. She didn't say it was part of her strategy, she said she was conserving her energy for the comps.

sfselesfan
Oct 12th, 2007, 11:00 PM
Jean Robert said that. She didn't say it was part of her strategy, she said she was conserving her energy for the comps.

That qualifies as strategy IMO.

SF

Denise4925
Oct 12th, 2007, 11:16 PM
That qualifies as strategy IMO.

SF

I don't know. Maybe so. I'm just thinking that it's not something that she is using as strategy to win the game, just something she needs to do in order to be more successful at the comps for her tribe. :shrug:

drake3781
Oct 12th, 2007, 11:23 PM
That qualifies as strategy IMO.

SF

How is that strategy, unless the competition has progressed to individual immunity? This is still team competition.

If your tribe, has decided that it is in the tribe's best interest for you to conserve your energy for competitions, and that in order to help conserve your energy that you will be served by the rest of the team, that is one thing.

But to individually decide that you will allow everyone else to do the work while you get fed, hydrated, and kept warm by the labor of others, while supposedly saving energy for team challenges - in which by the same "logic" your other team members are now more tired by your not pulling your share of the work - is simply a rationalization for being lazy.

The only strategy I see with it is a strategy to be lazy, while apparently fooling people who can't think straight.

Scotso
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:40 AM
Sharea is exactly the kind of person I dislike... lazy, opinionated, closed-minded, no social skills, self-righteous, and in your face about it. :tape:

I think I like PG best right now... and I'm keeping an eye on the Christian lady... don't usually like that type but she hasn't been overbearing about it so far.

The Eric virgin preview was weird... who tells a girl he likes her and says he is a virgin at the same time? It's not like she was asking him to "do her" on the spot. :tape:

The Christian lady is gone.

I doubt Erik simply blurted out that he's a virgin, they probably just edited it in a way that made it seem odd. They do that often, and then when you see the episodes the quotes are put in context and not nearly as shocking.

But if he did just blurt it out, that makes him even hotter to me. Quirky guys are :drool:.

Scotso
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:40 AM
This whole black-white thing is bullshit. Does every thread have to turn into this?

Scotso
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:41 AM
Erik and his glasses :hearts:

I know :inlove:

drake3781
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:42 AM
The Christian lady is gone.

I doubt Erik simply blurted out that he's a virgin, they probably just edited it in a way that made it seem odd. They do that often, and then when you see the episodes the quotes are put in context and not nearly as shocking.

But if he did just blurt it out, that makes him even hotter to me. Quirky guys are :drool:.


OK... I was thinking all along that it was Denise who was the Christian lady that stepped out of the Buddhist temple in the first episode. Obviously I'm confused. :o Anyway, I want to keep an eye on Denise too.

Um... aren't gay guys always assuring straight guys that they aren't into them? So straight guys don't have to worry about being ogled and desired in the lockerrooms and military, etc. Anyway, I though that was what I've read in no uncertain terms. So is that really not true, just said to make straight guys feel "safe"?

Ellery
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:42 AM
I actually like Sherea, especially after her kick ass performance in last week's challenges. Problem is, if she keeps up her attitude, it's pretty clear who Zhan Hu will vote out next and if that happens, she has no one to blame but herself. And her comment to PG that "you like this outdoor stuff, so you are fine with campwork" (or something along those lines) was :rolleyes:. Yeah, I am sure carrying and moving heavy rocks or wood is PG, Jaime, Frosti and Erik's favorite hobby.

Denise4925
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:47 AM
I actually like Sherea, especially after her kick ass performance in last week's challenges. Problem is, if she keeps up her attitude, it's pretty clear who Zhan Hu will vote out next and if that happens, she has no one to blame but herself. And her comment to PG that "you like this outdoor stuff, so you are fine with campwork" (or something along those lines) was :rolleyes:. Yeah, I am sure carrying and moving heavy rocks or wood is PG, Jaime, Frosti and Erik's favorite hobby.

I agree.

FLL
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:51 AM
This whole black-white thing is bullshit. Does every thread have to turn into this?

I'm afraid it does and it makes me go wild... I'm so tired of this.. :rolleyes: Completely agree with you man!

Scotso
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:06 PM
Um... aren't gay guys always assuring straight guys that they aren't into them? So straight guys don't have to worry about being ogled and desired in the lockerrooms and military, etc. Anyway, I though that was what I've read in no uncertain terms. So is that really not true, just said to make straight guys feel "safe"?

I don't represent all gay guys nor does Erik represent all straight guys, so I fail to see what you're attempting to discover here. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Ellery
Oct 13th, 2007, 08:16 PM
Speaking of laziness, I can't help but remember Raro from Cook :help: Especially team Whitey (excluding Jonathan), i.e. Candyass, Poverty and Adumb. Those people just epitomized laziness. Although Nate and Jenny were useless too.

FrchTwst
Oct 13th, 2007, 09:21 PM
Sherea is very lazy and bitchy, I can't stand her.

Denise4925
Oct 13th, 2007, 09:31 PM
This whole black-white thing is bullshit. Does every thread have to turn into this?

Well with all due respect Scotso, that's your opinion. :shrug: I don't think everything thread turns into this. It's just someone expressing an opinion on how the media sometimes portrays certain stereotypes in minorities, or picks certain types to be on these reality shows. It's just a matter of fact. It won't go away just because you think it's bullshit or because you don't want to hear about it anymore.

I think it's bullshit to invalidate someone's opinion or feelings about a particular subject, just because you're tired of reading about it or hearing it. :shrug:

IceHock
Oct 13th, 2007, 09:57 PM
Well what Sherea is doing is verrrrrry risky. I mean challenges aren't always physical. But if her tribe loses one of these challenges before the merge, she'll probably be going home but I mean I guess it's good she doesn't do anything and then somehow they win challenges, but I mean her tribe has only won 1 immunity challenge so far.

Denise4925
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:05 PM
Well what Sherea is doing is verrrrrry risky. I mean challenges aren't always physical. But if her tribe loses one of these challenges before the merge, she'll probably be going home but I mean I guess it's good she doesn't do anything and then somehow they win challenges, but I mean her tribe has only won 1 immunity challenge so far.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not defending what she's doing in anyway. When Jean Robert stated that that was his strategy, I was like ohhh nooo. So, I think she needs to step it up in the camp keeping department and earn the title of true survivor if she makes it far.

I would love to see a woman take it that was good at challenges and all around good survivor.

Ryan
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:24 PM
If Sherea was kicking ass in the challenges I could see her "strategy" paying off, but IMO she's just doing ok in them. I just want someone who wins Immunity and isn't a total snake to win the game (cough, go away Todd, cough).

BoucharDRules
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:00 AM
I'm a fan of Amanda ever since her triumph in the mud over Sherea et al.

No Name Face
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:44 AM
This whole black-white thing is bullshit. Does every thread have to turn into this?

...Says the white guy. You saying that is just as tired as the 'black-white' argument, no offense. (And I don't really mean to offend, but...)

I like Sherea. She's simply one of the best challenge players on that team...she practically won immunity for the team last week. I wish she'd contribute more and I was CERTAIN she would go, so I'm glad she gets another week. If she doesn't step it up though, she's fucked. In terms of the girls, I like PG...I think.

I also like James, Todd, Aaron and Erik...actually most of the guys this season are really cool. It seems like the only annoying people were voted out already, this season could be a good one. ;)

And her comment to PG that "you like this outdoor stuff, so you are fine with campwork" (or something along those lines) was :rolleyes:. Yeah, I am sure carrying and moving heavy rocks or wood is PG, Jaime, Frosti and Erik's favorite hobby.

Yeah, that comment was a little :weirdo:

canuckfan
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:36 AM
If Sherea is that good in the challenges, then why are they losing all the time?

No Name Face
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:43 AM
If Sherea is that good in the challenges, then why are they losing all the time?

that's seriously the dumbest question ever.
one person can't carry a team to victory.
she's definitely above average in the challenges, which is especially remarkable because they're virtually all physical and she's a woman. and tone it with the chauvinistic BS, look at courtney.

canuckfan
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:36 AM
that's seriously the dumbest question ever.
one person can't carry a team to victory.
she's definitely above average in the challenges, which is especially remarkable because they're virtually all physical and she's a woman. and tone it with the chauvinistic BS, look at courtney.

Okay let me rephrase it then:

Sherea is overrated.

Throwing some sort of weapon, solving a puzzle with a 5 minutes lead and pushing Courtney and her 70 pounds in the water is not exactly that impressive, especially in a losing cause time after time.

It's just funny that you're all defending her laziness and bitchiness because she's some sort of challenge experts. She's just lucky Dave was such a wacko and everyone was sick of him.

Scotso
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:54 AM
...Says the white guy. You saying that is just as tired as the 'black-white' argument, no offense. (And I don't really mean to offend, but...)

I wasn't even going to start, but your comment has left me no choice but to go into it. :shrug: It has nothing to do with me being white. And that's a pretty racist comment, by the way. :shrug:

But this show has not PORTRAYED her as being lazy, she's done that herself. She IS lazy. I do like her, and you can make whatever arguments you want, but it doesn't change that fact that she doesn't lift a finger around camp to help anyone. But come on, it's not like people are saying that she's a Satanic baby murderer. People said she's lazy... are white people not allowed to say anything negative about any black people anymore?

What I'm tired of is people finding an excuse in these situations to claim more anti-black conspiracy. It's a joke. This is a TV show, and it hasn't done anything to force the audience to have a negative view of any of the black contestants on the show. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.

I'm well aware that we don't have an equal country as far as race is concerned, and there are a lot of cases where black people are treated unfairly... but this isn't one of them, and to turn a thread about silly entertainment into the front lines of a race war is just pointless and annoying.

Ryan
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:52 PM
ROTF. Do people actually think Sherea is THAT good at chalenges!?! I mean, yeah she's definitely not the worst, but I would hardly call winning 1 Immunity and 2 rewards domination. :rolleyes:

Ellery
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:53 PM
Sherea is very good in challenges, but she is hardly a challenge monster like, say, Ozzy. It is depressing to see her dig a hole for herself as she is quite likable.

No Name Face
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:16 PM
I wasn't even going to start, but your comment has left me no choice but to go into it. :shrug: It has nothing to do with me being white. And that's a pretty racist comment, by the way. :shrug:

But this show has not PORTRAYED her as being lazy, she's done that herself. She IS lazy. I do like her, and you can make whatever arguments you want, but it doesn't change that fact that she doesn't lift a finger around camp to help anyone. But come on, it's not like people are saying that she's a Satanic baby murderer. People said she's lazy... are white people not allowed to say anything negative about any black people anymore?

What I'm tired of is people finding an excuse in these situations to claim more anti-black conspiracy. It's a joke. This is a TV show, and it hasn't done anything to force the audience to have a negative view of any of the black contestants on the show. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.

I'm well aware that we don't have an equal country as far as race is concerned, and there are a lot of cases where black people are treated unfairly... but this isn't one of them, and to turn a thread about silly entertainment into the front lines of a race war is just pointless and annoying.

I actually agree with you on almost all accounts --- but as tired as the argument is, it's just as tired that a white person says 'there's no white-black stereotyping'. I'm genuinely sorry if you think that's a racist comment. I don't. I think it's just honest, based on my experience --- which is why I didn't mean it to offend. If I did mean to offend you, I would have just said it.

Sherea's definitely "lazy" (and I've never said otherwise) but it's no coincidence that they're highlighting this, just like they did with Gervase, Nick, and many other black players. It's either that or they're super-dominant. Thank god for Earl last season.

As I said, I didn't mean to offend because you make sense, but I think black people can express their frustration with that portrayal without having to feel like they are over dramatizing. :)

No Name Face
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:18 PM
ROTF. Do people actually think Sherea is THAT good at chalenges!?! I mean, yeah she's definitely not the worst, but I would hardly call winning 1 Immunity and 2 rewards domination. :rolleyes:

no, it's not that. it's a 'relativity' factor.
she's definitely the best girl in challenges (besides maybe jamie, who's been pretty consistent).

normally girls are the liability in the physical challenges, but sherea has contributed in nearly all of the challenges. that shouldn't be overlooked --- she's a huge asset to the team

IceHock
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:47 PM
off topic but does anyone here know if the amazing race is coming back?

LeonHart
Oct 14th, 2007, 11:59 PM
I love the little alliance the losing team has (too lazy to type out the name :lol:)

I hope all 4 of them get to the finals!

drake3781
Oct 15th, 2007, 02:21 AM
off topic but does anyone here know if the amazing race is coming back?

I'm pretty sure there will be another season.

canuckfan
Oct 15th, 2007, 03:22 AM
off topic but does anyone here know if the amazing race is coming back?

The new race has been shot last summer. If a CBS show has really bad ratings and get canceled, we might get it this fall. If not, after christmas.

FLL
Oct 15th, 2007, 03:50 AM
The new race has been shot last summer. If a CBS has really bad ratings and get canceled, we might get it this fall. If not, after christmas.

Does anyone know if CBS will do another All-Stars? I think there would be a lot of potential with all the new Survivors after the All Stars season..

canuckfan
Oct 15th, 2007, 04:13 AM
Does anyone know if CBS will do another All-Stars? I think there would be a lot of potential with all the new Survivors after the All Stars season..

The rumor has it that next season could be All-Stars 2.

FLL
Oct 15th, 2007, 04:23 AM
The rumor has it that next season could be All-Stars 2.

Awesome :yeah: I hope they would have Ozzy, Cirie, Danni, Bobby John, Amy X 2 (Guatemala, Vanuatu) and probably more I don't remember :p:lol:

IceHock
Oct 15th, 2007, 04:33 AM
Awesome :yeah: I hope they would have Ozzy, Cirie, Danni, Bobby John, Amy X 2 (Guatemala, Vanuatu) and probably more I don't remember :p:lol:


stephanie!!!! :) , all time favorite survivor

Ellery
Oct 15th, 2007, 04:37 AM
Here is a link to a supposed list of next season's contestants. Dunno how accurate it is though. CBS has said, I believe, that winners would not be eligible for the All-Stars, so that would exclude Yul, Earl, Chris, Tom, etc.

http://www.realitytvspoiler.com/index.php/2007/10/03/survivor-16-palau-is-back-its-official-another-all-stars-and-the-ending-of-the-show/

Denise4925
Oct 15th, 2007, 06:36 AM
If Sherea was kicking ass in the challenges I could see her "strategy" paying off, but IMO she's just doing ok in them. I just want someone who wins Immunity and isn't a total snake to win the game (cough, go away Todd, cough).

LOL, we always hate the same people Ryan.

Denise4925
Oct 15th, 2007, 06:41 AM
What I'm tired of is people finding an excuse in these situations to claim more anti-black conspiracy. It's a joke. This is a TV show, and it hasn't done anything to force the audience to have a negative view of any of the black contestants on the show. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.



This is just as tiring and annoying.

FLL
Oct 15th, 2007, 07:04 AM
This is just as tiring and annoying.

OMG :lol: Should've known you would show up... :rolleyes:

Ryan
Oct 15th, 2007, 02:55 PM
LOL, we always hate the same people Ryan.


Yeah we definitely do haha. I think Todd is a good guy, but all these people telling him he's sneaky and crafty is really getting to his head. I hope someone puts him down a peg or two, which sucks because Amanda and Aaron are two of my favorite people this season.

IceHock
Oct 15th, 2007, 04:12 PM
I hate Todd too

Scotso
Oct 15th, 2007, 06:47 PM
Awesome :yeah: I hope they would have Ozzy, Cirie, Danni, Bobby John, Amy X 2 (Guatemala, Vanuatu) and probably more I don't remember :p:lol:

I'd be very happy with all those people :banana:

But I want Aras, too. :drool: And Sundra.

But definitely Ozzy and Cirie. And Erik from this season, hopefully he does well. They need like a hot-boy Survivor season.

You and I used to hate each other and agree on nothing, now we seem to agree the vast majority of the time. It's scary.

FLL
Oct 15th, 2007, 08:34 PM
I'd be very happy with all those people :banana:

But I want Aras, too. :drool: And Sundra.

But definitely Ozzy and Cirie. And Erik from this season, hopefully he does well. They need like a hot-boy Survivor season.

You and I used to hate each other and agree on nothing, now we seem to agree the vast majority of the time. It's scary.

I know ;)

Denise4925
Oct 15th, 2007, 08:45 PM
OMG :lol: Should've known you would show up... :rolleyes:

And, why wouldn't I? I always contribute to the Survivor thread. Why would this time be any different or are you just trying to be an ass? Why are you always trying to start something with me?

FLL
Oct 15th, 2007, 09:43 PM
And, why wouldn't I? I always contribute to the Survivor thread. Why would this time be any different or are you just trying to be an ass? Why are you always trying to start something with me?

:kiss:

iPatty
Oct 15th, 2007, 09:57 PM
i hope they do all-stars.
i hope yau-man comes. he's my favorite survivor. :bowdown:

yau. parvati. lydia. michelle. favorites. ALLEZ. :woohoo:
make this happen, please.

Ellery
Oct 15th, 2007, 10:35 PM
I'd be very happy with all those people :banana:

But I want Aras, too. :drool: And Sundra.

But definitely Ozzy and Cirie. And Erik from this season, hopefully he does well. They need like a hot-boy Survivor season.

You and I used to hate each other and agree on nothing, now we seem to agree the vast majority of the time. It's scary.

CBS did say that there would be no winners, so that excludes Aras.

Xander
Oct 15th, 2007, 10:45 PM
I didn't watch Survivor until season 4 or 5. A woman (Vecepia) from my area won and when it was accidentally leaked locally (a long story) that she was one of the final two, my boyfriend and I started watching the show. We were delighted that Vecepia went all the way. :) We've kept up with it ever since and while it's lost some of its freshness, we think it's still intriguing.

Re: the black people on the show, well, I'll address Sherea first. I think she's unpleasant and I don't think she's playing a smart social game. That being said, my boyfriend and I (both Irish-American, for the record) fully understood why black viewers would get mad at the depiction of blacks on Survivor. With only a guy and girl per season usually, their actions represent their race (to a lot of people). They don't have the "luxury" of having a snake like Richard Hatch being counterbalanced by Tom (the fireman that won) or a loony toon like Sue Hawk being off-set by the athleticism of Stephenie (who was on twice). More often than not they choose stereotypes but of course Mark Burnett will tell us that the reason for that is because they are the only minorities auditioning. :rolleyes: I liked Earl and Anthony from last season but they remind me of me so I'm biased. :)

FLL
Oct 15th, 2007, 11:24 PM
Oh Vecepia :lol:... Man did Kathy get robbed that season or what!!!

Xander
Oct 15th, 2007, 11:54 PM
Oh Vecepia :lol:... Man did Kathy get robbed that season or what!!!

I don't agree at all. Kathy, who I liked, did herself in by being the odd person out. Her alliance of 5 had partners, leaving her to fend for herself. She should've had a Plan B. I thought Vecepia played a solid game by flying under the radar and winning over John (the group leader) when the tribes switched. That kept her alive and sent Boston Rob packing instead.

Xander
Oct 16th, 2007, 12:27 AM
This is a TV show, and it hasn't done anything to force the audience to have a negative view of any of the black contestants on the show. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.

Survivor hasn't prevented the audience from NOT having a negative view of black people either. I'll start with the current cast and randomly choose black contestants going back to the beginning and how they were often portrayed (how they were edited)-

James - brawny, chauvanistic, inarticulate
Sherea - lazy, abrasive
Dreamz - loose cannon
Anthony - weak, whiny, effeminate
Cassandra - useless
Rebecca - lazy, useless
Nate - militant then a scheming sell-out
Sekou - sexist, out of shape, cocky
Cirie - at first, lazy, not cut out for the outdoors
Ibrehim - ineffective, insignificant
Rory - abrasive, not likable
Joanna - holy roller singing gospel while she worked
Ghandia - space cadet with issues
Sean - lazy
Clarence - angry black man, sneaky
Nick - lazy
Alicia - confrontative, sassy
Gervase - lazy, useless
Ramona - lazy, useless

Yes, there were white people who were edited just like them but they had positive white representation to counterbalance the negativity. Like a black student of mine (I teach high school) told me long ago about watching the local news at home - "in my family we often pray that the criminal isn't a black person".

Ellery
Oct 16th, 2007, 12:36 AM
Sundra was awesome. :)

Ellery
Oct 16th, 2007, 12:44 AM
Survivor hasn't prevented the audience from NOT having a negative view of black people either. I'll start with the current cast and randomly choose black contestants going back to the beginning and how they were often portrayed (how they were edited)-

James - brawny, chauvanistic, inarticulate
Sherea - lazy, abrasive
Dreamz - loose cannon
Anthony - weak, whiny, effeminate
Cassandra - useless
Rebecca - lazy, useless
Nate - militant then a scheming sell-out
Sekou - sexist, out of shape, cocky
Cirie - at first, lazy, not cut out for the outdoors
Ibrehim - ineffective, insignificant
Rory - abrasive, not likable
Joanna - holy roller singing gospel while she worked
Ghandia - space cadet with issues
Sean - lazy
Clarence - angry black man, sneaky
Nick - lazy
Alicia - confrontative, sassy
Gervase - lazy, useless
Ramona - lazy, useless

Yes, there were white people who were edited just like them but they had positive white representation to counterbalance the negativity. Like a black student of mine (I teach high school) told me long ago about watching the local news at home - "in my family we often pray that the criminal isn't a black person".

Wow, looking at the list I can see your point :o

Xander
Oct 16th, 2007, 12:45 AM
Sundra was awesome. :)

I wasn't a fan (she was great on Sex and the City, though). She and Becky lucked out. ;)

Ellery
Oct 16th, 2007, 12:51 AM
I wasn't a fan (she great on Sex and the City, though). She and Becky lucked out. ;)

Well, I guess they were just in the right tribe at the right moment in some way, but how could you not love all four Aitu's? And I feel that they should all get credit for sticking together, toughing out the challenges. If instead of Sundra and Becky on Aitu we had, say, Jenny and Parvati (shudder), I doubt the 4 would have been as successful and been in the final 4 together. It's sort of sad though that they will probably be remembered as the two girls who could not start a fire after 39 days :o :lol:

sfselesfan
Oct 16th, 2007, 01:01 AM
Cirie was one of the most positively portrayed survivors of all time.

SF

IceHock
Oct 16th, 2007, 01:02 AM
yeah i loved cirie

FLL
Oct 16th, 2007, 01:40 AM
I don't agree at all. Kathy, who I liked, did herself in by being the odd person out. Her alliance of 5 had partners, leaving her to fend for herself. She should've had a Plan B. I thought Vecepia played a solid game by flying under the radar and winning over John (the group leader) when the tribes switched. That kept her alive and sent Boston Rob packing instead.

Can you tell me how she was the odd person out in the final 3 with Vee, Neleh? Vee PROMISED her a final 2 and I'm sure Neleh would've gone with Kathy for the final 2. Vee backed up from her promise and went with Neleh which was a 900 000$ vote because she would've got her ass kicked by Kathy. The majority of the jury said after that they would've voted for Kathy, had she been in the final 2. People admired Kathy's work ethic, her performances in challenges and her her social game (she survived a rough couple of days.. had Rotu lost a challenge, she would've been voted off. she survived the switch, she is responsible for the change in power after the merge voting out the strong Rotu alliance).. Vee deserved to beat Neleh in the final though...

Scotso
Oct 16th, 2007, 01:44 AM
CBS did say that there would be no winners, so that excludes Aras.

I fail to see how you can have all-"stars" with no winners. If it's supposed to be a best of the best, you should have at least a few.

LeonHart
Oct 16th, 2007, 01:47 AM
Survivor hasn't prevented the audience from NOT having a negative view of black people either. I'll start with the current cast and randomly choose black contestants going back to the beginning and how they were often portrayed (how they were edited)-

James - brawny, chauvanistic, inarticulate
Sherea - lazy, abrasive
Dreamz - loose cannon
Anthony - weak, whiny, effeminate
Cassandra - useless
Rebecca - lazy, useless
Nate - militant then a scheming sell-out
Sekou - sexist, out of shape, cocky
Cirie - at first, lazy, not cut out for the outdoors
Ibrehim - ineffective, insignificant
Rory - abrasive, not likable
Joanna - holy roller singing gospel while she worked
Ghandia - space cadet with issues
Sean - lazy
Clarence - angry black man, sneaky
Nick - lazy
Alicia - confrontative, sassy
Gervase - lazy, useless
Ramona - lazy, useless

Yes, there were white people who were edited just like them but they had positive white representation to counterbalance the negativity. Like a black student of mine (I teach high school) told me long ago about watching the local news at home - "in my family we often pray that the criminal isn't a black person".

I don't say this to be racist or anything...but is it a sheer coincidence that ALL these black people are portrayed "negatively" or...don't you think it has some part to do with the culture? The Survivor casting agency can search high and low and only cast blacks that show they are hard working and are smart with the perfect body, but does that really portray the black community correctly? I mean...like today's hip hop videos and rap videos and such...they aren't exactly being portrayed in a positive light. NOT saying that only black people listen to these type of music but I do know the majority of black people I know and see do listen to these type of music and try to imitate how these artists are dressed like and such.

And yes, studies show that when you watch something, or hear something on Television it is likely you will try to imitate what you see or hear. Just saying...some rap videos aren't exactly something I would want to show my kids.

Anyways this is just my opinion and I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Ryan
Oct 16th, 2007, 02:07 AM
I would be tempted not to watch All-Stars if Aras was on it - what a wanker. I hope Booby-John and Steph play, as well as some other people whose names I couldnt care less about haha.

Ellery
Oct 16th, 2007, 02:22 AM
I fail to see how you can have all-"stars" with no winners. If it's supposed to be a best of the best, you should have at least a few.

I guess they want a deserving non-winner to have a chance at a million.

FLL
Oct 16th, 2007, 02:31 AM
The should do a Survivor with all the people that were voted out first!!!

Ellery
Oct 16th, 2007, 02:46 AM
The should do a Survivor with all the people that were voted out first!!!

That would actually be really cool :drool:

FLL
Oct 16th, 2007, 02:48 AM
That would actually be really cool :drool:

The first person voted off that one is just so bad :lol:

Ellery
Oct 16th, 2007, 02:55 AM
The first person voted off that one is just so bad :lol:

:lol: That must really hurt. I guess that would make him/her the worst Survivor of all time :lol: Although maybe the person who is voted off is voted off because he/she is the biggest threat :p

Xander
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:57 AM
Well, I guess they were just in the right tribe at the right moment in some way, but how could you not love all four Aitu's? And I feel that they should all get credit for sticking together, toughing out the challenges. If instead of Sundra and Becky on Aitu we had, say, Jenny and Parvati (shudder), I doubt the 4 would have been as successful and been in the final 4 together. It's sort of sad though that they will probably be remembered as the two girls who could not start a fire after 39 days :o :lol:

I was definitely rooting for Yul, Ozzy, Becky and Sundra but let's not forget that when the 4 tribes became 2, they didn't gravitate towards each other. In fact, Ozzy and Sundra tried to rally others to boot Becky while Yul and Becky aligned with Jonathan, Candice and the white girl with dreads to eliminate Cecilia (Ozzy's ally).

The fire-starting challenge was ridiculous!! So pathetic. I felt bad for everybody including Becky and Sundra. :o

Xander
Oct 16th, 2007, 12:12 PM
Cirie was one of the most positively portrayed survivors of all time.

SF

Not at first.

Cirie was part of the season that pitted the young females vs. the old females vs. the young males vs. the old males.

In the first episode, Cirie was already pegged as lazy, out of her element (her fear of leaves, remember?). The first impression Cirie made to the audience was not positive. It was down the line, after the merger, where she became endearing. The thing that my boyfriend pointed out was that other black players could've been just as amiable as Cirie but CBS didn't think it made for "good" TV. I think Cirie is one of the best strategists in Survivor history.

Xander
Oct 16th, 2007, 12:21 PM
Can you tell me how she was the odd person out in the final 3 with Vee, Neleh?

They both knew they couldn't beat Kathy hence her dismissal.

Vee PROMISED her a final 2 and I'm sure Neleh would've gone with Kathy for the final 2.

And Kathy returned the favor by giving Neleh her vote.

Neleh did the wise thing: she had a better to chance to win against Vee. As we all know, it came down to one vote.


Vee backed up from her promise and went with Neleh which was a 900 000$ vote because she would've got her ass kicked by Kathy.

Actually, Neleh won the final immunity challenge and chose to go up against Vee. That's what I would've done. Neleh would've won had she gave better answers at the final tirbal council.

The majority of the jury said after that they would've voted for Kathy, had she been in the final 2.

No surprise at all. Kathy just didn't secure herself a place in the final. It was difficult though because her alliance (Vee-Sean and Neleh-Paschal) were loyal to each other before they were loyal to Kathy.

People admired Kathy's work ethic, her performances in challenges and her her social game (she survived a rough couple of days.. had Rotu lost a challenge, she would've been voted off. she survived the switch, she is responsible for the change in power after the merge voting out the strong Rotu alliance).. Vee deserved to beat Neleh in the final though...

Kathy deserved to win but she's not the first solid player that got the shaft. She was a victim of cirumstance. :shrug:

Xander
Oct 16th, 2007, 01:07 PM
I don't say this to be racist or anything...but is it a sheer coincidence that ALL these black people are portrayed "negatively" or...

This comes up a lot in real life discussions I have about Survivor with friends and co-workers. One of us has to always rein us in when we go off on one of the players (regardless of race) with the adage "this is only 42 minutes out of a day". ;)

don't you think it has some part to do with the culture?

The black culture? No but if we based what we thought about the different races on what we see on Survivor then white people should be embarassed (Richard Hatch, Sue Hawk...should I continue? Chicken, Rocky, Jonathan, Candice, Courtney, Coby, Twyla, Big Tom, Clay, Jerri...).

The Survivor casting agency can search high and low and only cast blacks that show they are hard working and are smart with the perfect body, but does that really portray the black community correctly?

I don't think you mean to be insulting but that's exxactly what you're being. All the above comment from you says is that you don't have any solid interaction with black people. In actuality, you fit the mold of the target audience of Survivor (whites in non-urban areas) which is why CBS likes to choose stereotypes for the show because they know that likes of you are only accustomed to seeing the negative portrayl of black people. I don't mean to offend you but your above comment invited my response.

I mean...like today's hip hop videos and rap videos and such...they aren't exactly being portrayed in a positive light.

And that's your problem, Leonhart. Hip hop and rap seems to be the only thing you know about black people. Perhaps you're just young and naive but you seem to have no concept of the fact that black people have accomplished a lot more than record hip hop music.

NOT saying that only black people listen to these type of music but I do know the majority of black people I know and see do listen to these type of music and try to imitate how these artists are dressed like and such.

You evidently have such a limited view of black musicians that you don't realize that for every rapper, there's a Wynton Marsalis, a Stevie Wonder, a Gladys Knight. Then there's the whole monolithic issue but we'll save that for another time. ;)

And yes, studies show that when you watch something, or hear something on Television it is likely you will try to imitate what you see or hear. Just saying...some rap videos aren't exactly something I would want to show my kids.

Is that where Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris got their inspiration for Columbine?

Anyways this is just my opinion and I hope I didn't offend anyone.

For the most part you didn't.

Xander
Oct 16th, 2007, 01:21 PM
I fail to see how you can have all-"stars" with no winners. If it's supposed to be a best of the best, you should have at least a few.

I don't care one way or the other but as we saw on All-Stars 1, they (Rich and Tina) were targetted early and got dumped. Jenna lasted longer then had to bow out due to a family tragedy.

If they do an Alll Stars 2 and pick 18 former players (9 guys, 9 girls) like they did the last time, here are my picks (from Vanuatu going forward) for (hopefully) an entertaining edition-

GUYS
Tom (Palau)
Terry (Panama)
Chris (Vanuatu)
Yul (Cook Islands)
Earl (Fiji)
Bobby Jon (Palau/Guatemala)
Todd (China)
Dreamz (Fiji)
Coby (Palau)

GIRLS
Twyla (Vanuatu)
Amie (Vanuatu)
Cirie (Panama)
Courtney (Panama)
Sherea (China)
Stephenie (Palau/Guatemala)
Lisi (Fiji)
Jenny (Cook Islands)
Michelle (Fiji)

Ellery
Oct 16th, 2007, 03:47 PM
I was definitely rooting for Yul, Ozzy, Becky and Sundra but let's not forget that when the 4 tribes became 2, they didn't gravitate towards each other. In fact, Ozzy and Sundra tried to rally others to boot Becky while Yul and Becky aligned with Jonathan, Candice and the white girl with dreads to eliminate Cecilia (Ozzy's ally).

The fire-starting challenge was ridiculous!! So pathetic. I felt bad for everybody including Becky and Sundra. :o

Ozzy really disliked Becky initially, I think. When he voted for Becky he said something like : "I am voting for you because you made absolutely no attempt to bond with me" and he had this very hateful expression on his face. Anyway the fact that they actually did not get along all well initially makes their eventual bonding even more impressive, IMO. And yeah, have to say that Candice and Jonathan mutinying is probably the best thing that could have happened to Sundra and especially Ozzy, giving their weakish position in the Aitu tribe.

FLL
Oct 16th, 2007, 06:37 PM
They both knew they couldn't beat Kathy hence her dismissal.



And Kathy returned the favor by giving Neleh her vote.

Neleh did the wise thing: she had a better to chance to win against Vee. As we all know, it came down to one vote.




Actually, Neleh won the final immunity challenge and chose to go up against Vee. That's what I would've done. Neleh would've won had she gave better answers at the final tirbal council.



No surprise at all. Kathy just didn't secure herself a place in the final. It was difficult though because her alliance (Vee-Sean and Neleh-Paschal) were loyal to each other before they were loyal to Kathy.



Kathy deserved to win but she's not the first solid player that got the shaft. She was a victim of cirumstance. :shrug:

Neleh won the challenge but Vee made the deal: ''Hey let's make a deal. I'll give you immunity but take me to the finals''

FLL
Oct 17th, 2007, 06:14 AM
I'm watching re-runs of Survivor Pearl Islands on Xtreme and tonight's episode was the best of the season.. when Sandra, Lill and Darrah blindside Burton :lol: Jon's look after the last vote was so :haha:

Meteor Shower
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:38 AM
I'd like to see all Aitu 4 from Cooks Island in the All Stars 2. I watched it through the internet.

I don't have any other favourites as Seasons 10,11 have just been finished broadcasted,
so I haven't seen 12,14,15.

I guess from 10,11 I'd like to see Stephanie, just intrigued to see which edit she will get this time.
(well not really, i like her too)

Meteor Shower
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:39 AM
I'm watching re-runs of Survivor Pearl Islands on Xtreme and tonight's episode was the best of the season.. when Sandra, Lill and Darrah blindside Burton :lol: Jon's look after the last vote was so :haha:

I just saw it not long ago too, it was PRICELESS.
Sandra :hearts:

Ryan
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:54 PM
I'm watching re-runs of Survivor Pearl Islands on Xtreme and tonight's episode was the best of the season.. when Sandra, Lill and Darrah blindside Burton :lol: Jon's look after the last vote was so :haha:



HAH me too! Looking back, I wouldn't mind if Jonny Fairplay and Darrah came back for AS2 from that season, the only one who came back for the first AS was Rupert. As much as I loved tht season, Lill and Sandra is the worst final 2 ever, just a bit worse than Vecepia and Neleh. :tape:

sfselesfan
Oct 17th, 2007, 06:07 PM
Not at first.

Cirie was part of the season that pitted the young females vs. the old females vs. the young males vs. the old males.

In the first episode, Cirie was already pegged as lazy, out of her element (her fear of leaves, remember?). The first impression Cirie made to the audience was not positive. It was down the line, after the merger, where she became endearing. The thing that my boyfriend pointed out was that other black players could've been just as amiable as Cirie but CBS didn't think it made for "good" TV. I think Cirie is one of the best strategists in Survivor history.

There was one episode (the first) where Cirie was arguably portrayed negatively. After that, she was the star of her season.

SF

Denise4925
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:28 PM
I don't say this to be racist or anything...but is it a sheer coincidence that ALL these black people are portrayed "negatively" or...don't you think it has some part to do with the culture? The Survivor casting agency can search high and low and only cast blacks that show they are hard working and are smart with the perfect body, but does that really portray the black community correctly? I mean...like today's hip hop videos and rap videos and such...they aren't exactly being portrayed in a positive light. NOT saying that only black people listen to these type of music but I do know the majority of black people I know and see do listen to these type of music and try to imitate how these artists are dressed like and such.

And yes, studies show that when you watch something, or hear something on Television it is likely you will try to imitate what you see or hear. Just saying...some rap videos aren't exactly something I would want to show my kids.

Anyways this is just my opinion and I hope I didn't offend anyone.

:spit: :haha: No, your ignorance doesn't offend me.

Denise4925
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:33 PM
This comes up a lot in real life discussions I have about Survivor with friends and co-workers. One of us has to always rein us in when we go off on one of the players (regardless of race) with the adage "this is only 42 minutes out of a day". ;)



The black culture? No but if we based what we thought about the different races on what we see on Survivor then white people should be embarassed (Richard Hatch, Sue Hawk...should I continue? Chicken, Rocky, Jonathan, Candice, Courtney, Coby, Twyla, Big Tom, Clay, Jerri...).



I don't think you mean to be insulting but that's exxactly what you're being. All the above comment from you says is that you don't have any solid interaction with black people. In actuality, you fit the mold of the target audience of Survivor (whites in non-urban areas) which is why CBS likes to choose stereotypes for the show because they know that likes of you are only accustomed to seeing the negative portrayl of black people. I don't mean to offend you but your above comment invited my response.


And that's your problem, Leonhart. Hip hop and rap seems to be the only thing you know about black people. Perhaps you're just young and naive but you seem to have no concept of the fact that black people have accomplished a lot more than record hip hop music.



You evidently have such a limited view of black musicians that you don't realize that for every rapper, there's a Wynton Marsalis, a Stevie Wonder, a Gladys Knight. Then there's the whole monolithic issue but we'll save that for another time. ;)



Is that where Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris got their inspiration for Columbine?



For the most part you didn't.

Just damn :worship: :worship: :worship: I couldn't have said it better myself. :yeah:

Scotso
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:33 PM
Ozzy really disliked Becky initially, I think. When he voted for Becky he said something like : "I am voting for you because you made absolutely no attempt to bond with me" and he had this very hateful expression on his face. Anyway the fact that they actually did not get along all well initially makes their eventual bonding even more impressive, IMO. And yeah, have to say that Candice and Jonathan mutinying is probably the best thing that could have happened to Sundra and especially Ozzy, giving their weakish position in the Aitu tribe.

Well that's not surprising, because Becky was a bitch and she never, ever seemed to care anything about Ozzy even though he's one of the main reasons their foursome made it to the final four. She didn't really do anything to get there, just attached herself to Yul's backside. They didn't ever really bond that much except the normal camaraderie from competing together. It was pretty obvious he wanted Sundra in the final three instead of her.

Denise4925
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Well that's not surprising, because Becky was a bitch and she never, ever seemed to care anything about Ozzy even though he's one of the main reasons their foursome made it to the final four. She didn't really do anything to get there, just attached herself to Yul's backside. They didn't ever really bond that much except the normal camaraderie from competing together. It was pretty obvious he wanted Sundra in the final three instead of her.

Sundra really do anything either to get to final three.

Ellery
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:15 PM
Sundra really do anything either to get to final three.

Exactly.

Scotso
Oct 18th, 2007, 12:33 PM
Sundra really do anything either to get to final three.

I never said she did, what's your point?

sfselesfan
Oct 18th, 2007, 03:22 PM
FYI - Sundra was not in the final three.

SF

Ryan
Oct 18th, 2007, 07:28 PM
Yeah, I was confused there for a second...didnt she get booted in the F4?

sfselesfan
Oct 18th, 2007, 07:34 PM
Yeah, I was confused there for a second...didnt she get booted in the F4?

In the worst attempt at making fire in Survivor history. I was rooting for Sundra over Becky, and they both disappointed.

SF

Ellery
Oct 18th, 2007, 08:21 PM
FYI - Sundra was not in the final three.

SF

I think that Denise was suggesting that Sundra would not have deserved to be in the top 3(not more than Becky, anyway), which she wasn't.

Ellery
Oct 19th, 2007, 02:28 AM
What a messed up episode! I guess Aaron can join Michelle on the "screwed by a dumb twist" list. :sad: Jaime and Peih Gee giggling afterwards after throwing the challenge was :o :o , and I especially found Jaime's outright laughter in the TC unacceptable. This said, it was a pretty gutsy move, and it could pay off, who knows. James and Denise :drool: I think James is gonna start looking for a place where he can dig a grave for Jaime and PG :lol:

Zombielicious
Oct 19th, 2007, 02:42 AM
I was really thinking James was going home in this episode but I'm kinda glad it was Aaron. I suprisingly like James.

Is anyone as sick as Jean Robert as I am? I seriously can't stand him. :(

But the next episode looks very interesting...

Ellery
Oct 19th, 2007, 02:48 AM
I was really thinking James was going home in this episode but I'm kinda glad it was Aaron. I suprisingly like James.

Is anyone as sick as Jean Robert as I am? I seriously can't stand him. :(

But the next episode looks very interesting...

I was confused though by why they got rid of Aaron instead of James. James looked like he wanted to throw them into a grave without further ado, and he does seem to be a bigger threat than Aaron.

Drake1980
Oct 19th, 2007, 02:58 AM
That was really upsetting, first of all they break up the totally sweet tribe, which they shouldn`t have done then those girls get rid of one of the best players in the game. ÉThe show really has to be questioning there decisions right now. Guaranteed they merge next week, they won`t let those 2 girls hatch their plan now, no way!

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 03:25 AM
Smartest strategic move since Richard Hatch's little thing called an alliance.

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 03:26 AM
I was confused though by why they got rid of Aaron instead of James. James looked like he wanted to throw them into a grave without further ado, and he does seem to be a bigger threat than Aaron.

I assume because Jamie surmised correctly when she thought that Aaron would have more alliances on the other tribe than James. Plus, it seems that Aaron is more of a game player than James.

canuckfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 03:26 AM
I was confused though by why they got rid of Aaron instead of James. James looked like he wanted to throw them into a grave without further ado, and he does seem to be a bigger threat than Aaron.

But they probably realised that James was an outsider in his former tribe anyway. Also he's strong, nice and he's an hard worker, but he doesn't really get the game. I mean they blalently threw the challenge and he didn't realise it until tribal council. He also didn't get the motive behind it. He's the kind of person who's too ethical to go far in this game.

Anyway great episode (and great season so far!). It's nice to see a big strategic move (and orchestrated by the women!) for once, even if it may be a bad one. Too bad Aaron was screwed by it though. The reason I think it will fail is that I'm pretty sure Sherea will flip to the other tribe at 5-5.

Right now, Amanda seems to be the favorite. She's in a perfect spot. She's in a strong alliance and I'm guessing Todd will take the heat for their moves.

Ryan
Oct 19th, 2007, 03:29 AM
This episode made me so mad. I thought the twist was cool at first, and I really liked the new tribe with PG, Aaron, James et.al. At first, I thought PG and Jaime's plan was really interesting...until they actually put it into motion. While I respect their guts, I absolutely despise their actions and attitude. They were completely classless (Jaime moreso) afterwards and extremely cocky about pulling their big plan off.

While Im ranting, I wish Erik had some sort of balls, because right now he's just as much of a woman as PG and Jaime. He should have gone with James and Aaron and voted off one of those idiots, ensuring that the girl left over had no power to "throw" anything and that their tribe could try and win a challenge before the merge. He IMO is in a good spot in the game, but I just hate what those girls did so much it makes me mad that he didn't turn on them. I'm glad Aaron got the boot, with his arrogant shit at the end there - I really liked him until he made it clear he wouldn't push Erik to vote off one of the wenches when he heard James would go. I hope James clotheslines the whole wimpy bunch of them, then wins IC all by himself.

On the other tribe - I think everyone was really rude to JR, for no goddamn reason. I dont like the guy, but he's trying to be helpful, and he wasn't "giving orders" like the lunch lady said, but he wasn't being as polite as he could either. I just think EVERYONE in this season minus a select few are lazy turds. I dont respect anyone who throws a challenge, and I doubt I will cheer for PG or Jaime this season. I like Erik, but if he stays with those girls I wont cheer for him either. I want James to kick serious ass. I like Amanda and Frosti from the other tribe. I hate Courtney, dislike JR, dislike Sherea, and dislike Todd.

I think this episode took my favorites from seven to about, uh, three. :lol:

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 03:37 AM
But they probably realised that James was an outsider in his former tribe anyway. Also he's strong, nice and he's an hard worker, but he doesn't really get the game. I mean they blalently threw the challenge and he didn't realise it until tribal council. He also didn't get the motive behind it. He's the kind of person who's too ethical to go far in this game.

Anyway great episode (and great season so far!). It's nice to see a big strategic move (and orchestrated by the women!) for once, even if it may be a bad one. Too bad Aaron was screwed by it though. The reason I think it will fail is that I'm pretty sure Sherea will flip to the other tribe at 5-5.

Right now, Amanda seems to be the favorite. She's in a perfect spot. She's in a strong alliance and I'm guessing Todd will take the heat for their moves.

Overall, its a pretty sound move. Too many contestants fail to remember that its a game of numbers and often many realize this until its too late to make a big move. The worst case scenario is that the other tribe would vote off Jean-Robert and Sherea/Frosti (I doubt that they would vote off Denise). This would make Zhan Hu down 4-6, but definitely better than a 3-7. The bottom line is that its never a good thing to be down in numbers heading into a merge. Yes, some manage to weasel their way further into the game but the odds of winning are greatly reduced.

P.G. said it best tonight, its not about winning the battles but the war. Plus, they have the potential to get rid of the two best individuals thus making future immunity challenges much more even (and hence better odds at winning).

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 03:41 AM
This episode made me so mad. I thought the twist was cool at first, and I really liked the new tribe with PG, Aaron, James et.al. At first, I thought PG and Jaime's plan was really interesting...until they actually put it into motion. While I respect their guts, I absolutely despise their actions and attitude. They were completely classless (Jaime moreso) afterwards and extremely cocky about pulling their big plan off.

While Im ranting, I wish Erik had some sort of balls, because right now he's just as much of a woman as PG and Jaime. He should have gone with James and Aaron and voted off one of those idiots, ensuring that the girl left over had no power to "throw" anything and that their tribe could try and win a challenge before the merge. He IMO is in a good spot in the game, but I just hate what those girls did so much it makes me mad that he didn't turn on them. I'm glad Aaron got the boot, with his arrogant shit at the end there - I really liked him until he made it clear he wouldn't push Erik to vote off one of the wenches when he heard James would go. I hope James clotheslines the whole wimpy bunch of them, then wins IC all by himself.

On the other tribe - I think everyone was really rude to JR, for no goddamn reason. I dont like the guy, but he's trying to be helpful, and he wasn't "giving orders" like the lunch lady said, but he wasn't being as polite as he could either. I just think EVERYONE in this season minus a select few are lazy turds. I dont respect anyone who throws a challenge, and I doubt I will cheer for PG or Jaime this season. I like Erik, but if he stays with those girls I wont cheer for him either. I want James to kick serious ass. I like Amanda and Frosti from the other tribe. I hate Courtney, dislike JR, dislike Sherea, and dislike Todd.

I think this episode took my favorites from seven to about, uh, three. :lol:

Smart plan but bad execution. It would have been much more impressive if they had covered their giggles and blatant throwing. I mean seriously how impressive would it be if no one knew about this move, they made the finals and then when asked why should you be the sole Survivor...and explained this whole plan.

canuckfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 03:52 AM
Smart plan but bad execution. It would have been much more impressive if they had covered their giggles and blatant throwing. I mean seriously how impressive would it be if no one knew about this move, they made the finals and then when asked why should you be the sole Survivor...and explained this whole plan.

We've been waiting for a fantastic move for about 15 seasons and never got it ;)
They should cast 16 CIA agents and maybe we would see some smart strategies.

sfselesfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 04:21 AM
Don't forget there's a hidden immunity idol.

The move was far from "sound." I predict it will backfire miserably. They've forgotten too many things...like the kidnaps.

What if Fei Long kidnaps James, finds out what's happening...and give him certain clues they have in their possession? If I were a strategic player on Fei Long...I'd consider doing that. It could also turn into, who can throw the challenge better if James can tell his old tribe what PG and Jamie are doing.

It's not that bad Drake...there are a lot of ways out of this mess. PG and Jamie had better try and win next week's reward challenge, otherwise James will rat them out when his old tribe kidnaps him back for a night.

Very interesting.

SF

IceHock
Oct 19th, 2007, 04:59 AM
sf you also have to think about the fact that whoever they kidnap has a clue to give, james isnt close with any of thm, they'll try to go for jaimee again i'd think.

No Name Face
Oct 19th, 2007, 04:59 AM
great episode but i totally agree with the poster that they shouldnt have made it so obvious they were throwing it.

i really like james, but again, as someone said, he's too ethical for the game.
you kinda knew aaron was going to go anyway...

LeonHart
Oct 19th, 2007, 05:06 AM
Oh man I was cracking up throughout that episode!! PG and Jamie are brilliant! Jeff shouldn't be so pissed off and give out their gameplan like that.

sfselesfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 05:19 AM
sf you also have to think about the fact that whoever they kidnap has a clue to give, james isnt close with any of thm, they'll try to go for jaimee again i'd think.

No way. If Fei Long wins the RC they'll totally kidnap their old tribe mate. No one over there has a relationship with Jamie since Leslie got voted out. James was not a loner at Fei Long, he has friends there (Denise and Jean Robert in particular). I totally think that's the flaw in Pee Gee's plan.

There's no way they would have shown PG and Jamie being so obnoxious if the plan was going to work. It's all in how they edit the show. It's clearly going to backfire...and there are a dozen ways it could. The two main ones being, (1) Fei Long (namely Todd) tells James the hidden immunity idol clues he has so that James can get the idol at Zhan Hu...leaving the one at Fei Long for him to keep for himself (Todd will probably trade his clues for the one James will have with him) or (2) Fei Long starts throwing challenges too. They would really only need to throw one challenge to sink PG and Jamie's scheme completely.

SF

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 05:30 AM
Don't forget there's a hidden immunity idol.

The move was far from "sound." I predict it will backfire miserably. They've forgotten too many things...like the kidnaps.

What if Fei Long kidnaps James, finds out what's happening...and give him certain clues they have in their possession? If I were a strategic player on Fei Long...I'd consider doing that. It could also turn into, who can throw the challenge better if James can tell his old tribe what PG and Jamie are doing.

It's not that bad Drake...there are a lot of ways out of this mess. PG and Jamie had better try and win next week's reward challenge, otherwise James will rat them out when his old tribe kidnaps him back for a night.

Very interesting.

SF

Well if they merge at 10, there is only one kidnapping left (next week's). So that means next week's reward challenge is the only time it could happen. The question though is how would James communicate to his old tribe and would Fei Long want to kidnap him.

Yes it could still backfire but the benefits outweight the drawbacks. Obviously there is still a lot of game to play but the key thing here is that P.G. realized that going this route will improve their chances. If history is any indicator, its very tough to be Sole Survivor if you go in as the minority in the merger.

Regardless, the switch to vote off Aaron over James favors this plan working. James' lack of social skills is paramount to this plan working given that he has no close ties. I assume Aaron is closer to his old tribe than James. The question though is in terms of game play would the other tribe really hate that this plan has been hatched? Sure, Denise might be pissed but you know Sherea and Frosti aren't hating it. It doesn't hurt that James is a huge physical individual immunity threat. Even if word were to get back to Fei Long, given Amanda-Todd-Courtney's alliance and their lower physical prowess (compared to James) it might be possible that they would go along with P.G.'s plan.

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 05:37 AM
In terms of a game play stance, Jeff outting them and scolding them essentially is key here. If P.G. and Jamie waiver on their plan (ie they aren't ruthless enough to see their plan through) and don't throw next week's competition, the plan won't be in its full effect.

Based on editing and Jeff's attack, I think its safe to assume that they won't go through with it. And why did P.G. and Jamie not tell Eric? That was stupid. He won't go through with it next week (because he's a "I want to play the game without lying/backstabing" player) and that's how the plan will be compromised.

sfselesfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 05:48 AM
We will just have to wait and see. But I'm calling that as a stupid move now. Throwing challenges always backfires.

SF

FLL
Oct 19th, 2007, 06:14 AM
It's a chance they had to take IMO... It's all about odds and now the odds are a alot better for them. The move might not work, but I think they had to take the chance. I thought about it as soon as they switched and then they talked about it right after :lol:... We'll see..

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 06:25 AM
We will just have to wait and see. But I'm calling that as a stupid move now. Throwing challenges always backfires.

SF

The truth is P.G. isn't Richard Hatch. He would have pulled this plan without anyone knowing, save for the cameras. I mean seriously they could have at least tried to solve half the puzzle so they wouldn't look obvious. How "great" this move is obviously contingent on the question of how far would they made it in the game without this plan. If they place 7th or higher (11-12th place being pre-merge, and 8-10th place being picked off right away in the merge) then it was a smart move.

Mynarco
Oct 19th, 2007, 08:31 AM
Smart move, but REALLY BAD execution
can't they stop laughing?
they can indeed do the puzzle without acting THAT obviously

how can they convince the jury to vote for them (if they make to final)

Also, it's SO EARLY to reveal all the secrets in the tribal council...

Jaime sucks...PG sucks as well..but...their idea is awesome

Xander
Oct 19th, 2007, 11:29 AM
Smart move, but REALLY BAD execution
can't they stop laughing?
they can indeed do the puzzle without acting THAT obviously

how can they convince the jury to vote for them (if they make to final)

Also, it's SO EARLY to reveal all the secrets in the tribal council...

Jaime sucks...PG sucks as well..but...their idea is awesome

It was a risky move but it was worth trying because as Peih-Gee explained, they were going to be picked off anyway if they made the merge. I like seeing people making some sort of power move when they're down in numbers. It gets frustrating season after season of Survivor to see the usual scenario unfold so all credit to Peih-Gee for playing the game. :)

Ellery
Oct 19th, 2007, 01:25 PM
Come to think of it, two of the strongest competitors from the other tribe were literally handed to them on a silver platter, so getting rid of one of them was the thing to do. I also agree with everyone else on how poorly the plan was executed :o They really should have made an effort at acting like they had really tried hard in the challenge but just ended up losing.

I liked it when PG said they had to lose the battle to win the war. Very Art of War (ish) :yeah:

Ryan
Oct 19th, 2007, 01:35 PM
I agree that its more important to win the "War" as PG says - but thats why their arrogant attitudes lost me. You won a "battle" (throwing the challenge accomplished their short-term goal), but why lose the war almost immediately by acting like tools and getting outed at TC?!?!?! If they had tried a little bit more, acted like adults, an kept it quiet - then I would say they are on the way to pulling it off. As it stands now - whats to stop James from talking to his old tribe at Reward, even if its just a discrete whisper, from revealing everything?

I hope James throws Reward, gets kidnapped, spills the beans, gets clues to the Idol and BAM!

Cam'ron Giles
Oct 19th, 2007, 02:50 PM
I liked it when PG said they had to lose the war to win the battle.

:weirdo:

sfselesfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 04:07 PM
My disagreement is with the people saying, "greatest move since Hatch." That's just noob bull$hit. It's risky, and they were STUPID to admit they threw the challenge in front of James. Now all he has to do is tell the other tribe to sink the plan. I think they're screwed now...after admitting it at TC.

SF

FLL
Oct 19th, 2007, 04:54 PM
My disagreement is with the people saying, "greatest move since Hatch." That's just noob bull$hit. It's risky, and they were STUPID to admit they threw the challenge in front of James. Now all he has to do is tell the other tribe to sink the plan. I think they're screwed now...after admitting it at TC.

SF

Well James doesn't seem to be the brightest player in history.. He couldn't even figure out that they threw the challenge so I don't expect him to do anything about it!

sfselesfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 05:16 PM
James doesn't have to do anytiing about it. All Fei Long has to do is win the reward challenge and kidnap James. James has no loyalty to Zhan Hu. He'll tell his old tribemates what's going on and the plan goes up in smoke.

PG had a decent idea (but far from brilliant). Unfortunately Jamie fucked it up by admitting it in front of James. STUPID!

I wouldn't be shocked if Todd/Amanda or another bright person on Fei Long figured out that Zhan Hu was throwing the challenge themselves. Once they figure out it's old school yellow vs. old school red...they'll adapt their strategy.

SF

Ellery
Oct 19th, 2007, 05:19 PM
:weirdo:

:shrug: :confused: As Ryan said, she didn't really see the irony in the words, but it was a cool thing to say.

canuckfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 05:38 PM
:shrug: :confused: As Ryan said, she didn't really see the irony in the words, but it was a cool thing to say.

No she said sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war.

Ellery
Oct 19th, 2007, 05:39 PM
That's what I was thinking, but I wrote the opposite :o Oops. My bad.

canuckfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 05:45 PM
Just imagine what would happen next week if James says to Fei Long that Zhan Hu is throwing the challenge.

Would both tribe try their hardest to lose then? That would be a first and it would be hysterically funny. Probst will not like this...

griffin
Oct 19th, 2007, 06:03 PM
I wouldn't be shocked if Todd/Amanda or another bright person on Fei Long figured out that Zhan Hu was throwing the challenge themselves. Once they figure out it's old school yellow vs. old school red...they'll adapt their strategy.

SF

Maybe. But you may also be over-estimating Fei Long's loyalty to James. Physically, he's far and away the strongest player in the game, and he's not dumb. He's an enormous threat to win individual immunity after individual immunity. They may decide it's ok to let him go.

(which would suck, I like James)

I'm in the "smart/bold move, executed VERY badly" Because even if James doesn't get a chance to out them, Jeff - who seemed mighty pissed at their attitude - very well might. The strategy won't offend people for long. That's the game, right? But the giggling and smirking? That's just rude and disrespectful, and THAT is something people are usually made to pay for.

sfselesfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 06:15 PM
I predict the fear they have of James after a merge will be outweighed by the prospect that they will lose the majority they worked hard to gain. The fear of a challenge hog is really overrated because there is always a point along the way to dump them off. Every challenge hog in history has slipped up at some point after the merge, you just have to be prepared to take advantage. Tribes had opportunities to get rid of every immunity hog - Kelly (Borneo), Colby (Australia), Tom (Palau), Terry (Panama), and Ozzy (Cook). Sometimes they take advantage of the opportunity and other times they don't. The only immunity hog to ever win was Tom. James doesn't appear to be flawless either (he certainly wasn't one of the swimmers yesterday).

SF

Ryan
Oct 19th, 2007, 06:41 PM
Definitely agree with sfselesfan. I fear that Fei Long will cut him loose before the merge because then they dont have to worry about him winning individual immunity. Add to that Sherea's place in the old Xhan Hu tribe...she knows she'd by getting 5th place with them, but she could wiggle into Fei Long's trust esp. with JR and Courtney being obvious candidates to go soon.

The thing I NEVER get is why people are so afraid of those who in IC all the time. Everyone he listed, plus Darrah from before AS, who won 3 IC in a row, all messed up. Even if they dont win ONE challenge, you can get rid of them because they have a huge target on their back. And look what happens when they do make the Final two, like Colby and Ozzy - they dont seem to inspire confidence or admiration in the jurors. Survivors ALWAYS win because of strategy, not because of physicality or challenge dominance. Keep James. At least then you KNOW who is most likely to win Immunity, so you can eliminate your opposition early, then boot the big guy when he finally loses.

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 07:56 PM
Yes, there are points where Immunity hogs don't win challenges but the reason behind the move is if you're going into a merger down 3-7, 4-6, 5-5, etc. and the immunity hog is of the dominant tribe who do you think is more likely to go home the minority or the majority? If Jean-Robert is out pre-merge, then they're definitely going to vote off old Zhan Hu members. If JR is in the merge then maybe they have a reprieve but its not going to last long. The simple fact is that tribal lines do run deep especially early in the merger.

And for those who are irritated by comment of "greatest move," I never said it was the greatest execution. It definitely has the most original thought and strategy since the first season. Its the first time that I can remember that a contestant has thought that far down in the future since Hatch. The only difference of course is that Hatch's competitors save the four had no idea what hit them until tribal council. Given Survivor history, contestants always come up with ideas/plans/twists but they never even attempt them. I was actually surprised that P.G. and Jamie went through it,

sfselesfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 09:40 PM
"Greatest move" would have included not blabbering on about it at tribal counsel when you know there is a kidnap element to the game + a hidden immunity idol or two in play. That's called "retarded."

SF

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 10:14 PM
"Greatest move" would have included not blabbering on about it at tribal counsel when you know there is a kidnap element to the game + a hidden immunity idol or two in play. That's called "retarded."

SF

If anything it showed some original thought/strategy that has been lacking in previous Survivor seasons, which is why I'm praising it as a great move. They know they're going to be at a disadvantage in the merge*. Will it be a strategy that all future Survivors will use? Most likely no. I think my praising of the move is more due to the fact that no one has come up with anything good since Hatch. This is the closet thing. I'm not saying PG = Hatch. The genius of the plan's potential is what I am excited about and deeming a great move. Has they potential be reached? No.

Do I think it was great that they totally exposed themselves? Of course not. But a better Survivor player (ie Todd) could have pulled this off more seamlessly. Plans obviously work better when no one knows about it until its too late. Will this plan go down in Survivor history as a great tactic? Probably not given that it would only be validated by a final 3/win.

*If anything you have to get them at least some credit for thinking about the future and not blindly going into the merge with a clear disadvantage. In the 14 season history, only 5 winners have come from the minority of a merge.

1. Vecepia (Marquesas)
2. Jenna (Amazon)
3. Amber (All Stars)
4. Chris (Vanuatu)
5. Earl (Fiji)

sfselesfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 10:25 PM
You forgot Yul and Dani. Yul came into the merge in a tribe of four. Dani came into the merge in a tribe of four too.

Add in that in Australia and Pearl Islands they were tied (so you can't count that against). That should be counted neutral. Tina was not in the majority at the merge, and neither was Sandra.

That makes the odds of the minority better than 50%, going by the standard you set.

Only on five occasions has the winner come from the majority tribe. Borneo, Africa, Palau, Panama, and Thailand (which was really tied when the tribes moved to the same beach, but they had the weird late merge twist...nonetheless I'll give up on that argument).

As far as "greatest move" maybe we can agree on "creative idea."

SF

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 10:33 PM
You forgot Yul and Dani. Yul came into the merge in a tribe of four. Dani came into the merge in a tribe of four too.

Add in that in Australia they were tied (so you can't count that against). That should be counted neutral since the first vote went to a tie breaker. Tina was not in the majority at the merge.

That makes the odds of the minority better than 50%.

As far as "greatest move" maybe we can agree on "creative idea."

SF

For the data, I was counting based on original tribes. Thus Dani's merger would be an even split. Yul's season is a little weird given that there were four groups and then two and then one, but counting from original tribes. The Hispanic tribe was the minority in the merger, aka Ozzy.

For sake of this season's context, neutrals are considered as favorable as majority given that they only way this season would be a 5-5 is if the plan worked, somehow two original Fei Long members were eliminated before merge, or some combination of the two. Any other scenario would see Zhan Hu in a minority.

sfselesfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 10:42 PM
For the data, I was counting based on original tribes. Thus Dani's merger would be an even split. Yul's season is a little weird given that there were four groups and then two and then one, but counting from original tribes. The Hispanic tribe was the minority in the merger, aka Ozzy.

That's one (biased) way to look at it. Dani and Yul were clearly in the minority tribes (and alliances) of four at the time of the merge. Tina and Sandra were tied at the merge and cannot be said to have been in the "majority."

The argument doesn't hold water. The winner frequently comes from the minority tribe because the members of the majority start eating one another then pick the winner from the minority because that person never had to violate their trust.

SF

Tennisace
Oct 19th, 2007, 10:56 PM
There are obviously many factors why people vote off people besides original tribe affiliation. There are many situations where people are disgruntled with their original tribe and welcome a merge to switch sides. So yes I will put a * next to the 5 out of 14. Oddly enough using the same criteria only 6 of the 14 winners have been from the majority, which makes it pretty even.

sfselesfan
Oct 19th, 2007, 11:04 PM
Ties don't count as majorities. But this is going to far. Basically, it doesn't matter if you're in the majority...that's overrated as a concern.

SF