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Denise4925
Dec 14th, 2007, 11:06 PM
Denise is not only useless but also came across as being just cruel today. When she said "I don't want to take Peih-Gee because I don't want her to get strong" in front of a starving PG, I wanted to smack her.

Yeah, I mean damn. PG had a point when she said that she gave her the best reward of all and has won two and not taken her on either. Throw her a bone. She isn't Popeye. One meal is not going to make get super human strength to win immunity. And so what if PG did win, it would have been to her advantage. She needed to team up with PG and Amanda anyway to get Todd out. Lord :rolleyes:

canuckfan
Dec 14th, 2007, 11:36 PM
I loved that season, though, up until the all-girl alliance fell apart.

Yeah, I loved Amy :drool:

One of the very few female mastermind in Survivor history. Too bad she made the ultimate mistake of becoming too cocky...

IceHock
Dec 14th, 2007, 11:40 PM
dAn, I think you and I are totally on the same wavelength with this show. :lol: I could not understand her rationalization for her choices. Also, why didn't she tell Amanda of Todd's scheme at the reward to get rid of her? :weirdo: Denise drives me crazy.
haha I know, I forgot about the Todd saying that about Amanda, that's like handing denise a fricken platter to the final 3 when he says this, but noooooo denise must like the number 4 better than 3, I just don't know with her, in tennis terms she is just getting the ball back in the court to someone who does not miss, so basicly she's fucked. Scout's blog btw praising how nice she is and a guarentee win in the final 2, that's just absurd, noone will vote for her, she hasn't done anything in the show except take up space.

Ellery
Dec 15th, 2007, 12:02 AM
Yeah, I mean damn. PG had a point when she said that she gave her the best reward of all and has won two and not taken her on either. Throw her a bone. She isn't Popeye. One meal is not going to make get super human strength to win immunity. And so what if PG did win, it would have been to her advantage. She needed to team up with PG and Amanda anyway to get Todd out. Lord :rolleyes:

The irony is, Amanda and Peih-Gee (the 2 who didn't get to go to reward challenge), were the ones who made it to final round of the IC. Take that Denise :weirdo:

Denise4925
Dec 15th, 2007, 12:28 AM
The irony is, Amanda and Peih-Gee (the 2 who didn't get to go to reward challenge), were the ones who made it to final round of the IC. Take that Denise :weirdo:

Right??!! :weirdo: I hate players like Denise. At least Courtney has some comedy value, but Denise has no value whatsoever in this game at all.

-VSR-
Dec 15th, 2007, 12:50 AM
I like Denise, she just didn't play the game correctly. Todd should have went either last night or the week before. But she doesn't know how to play the game.

I'm hoping that Amanda wins. If not her, then Courtney. Todd bugs me, little pre-madonna.

Drake1980
Dec 15th, 2007, 01:35 AM
Todd and Courtney in Final 4!!:woohoo:

Blu€
Dec 15th, 2007, 01:45 AM
Todd for the win! :bounce: , Amanda seems the favourite she definitely has J.R, Erik, PG votes, not sure where Jamie stands...

rockstar
Dec 15th, 2007, 02:47 AM
i pretty much agree that denise doesn't really strategise too well, silly on her part for being happy with 4th.

beginning to like amanda a lot more :D

eck
Dec 15th, 2007, 02:53 AM
The minute Amanda says that it was her idea to backdoor James, she probably has majority of the votes.

No Name Face
Dec 15th, 2007, 04:04 AM
I like Denise, she just didn't play the game correctly. Todd should have went either last night or the week before. But she doesn't know how to play the game.

I'm hoping that Amanda wins. If not her, then Courtney. Todd bugs me, little pre-madonna.

:tape:

yeah, denise is useless. i thought she was kinda smart which is why i was surprised at her being a lunch lady...guess i was wrong,.

Scotso
Dec 15th, 2007, 04:25 AM
Yeah, I loved Amy :drool:

One of the very few female mastermind in Survivor history. Too bad she made the ultimate mistake of becoming too cocky...

You mean Ami? :p I loved her, too, and also Leann. They were just cool.

But yeah, she got too cocky about her safety in the game. Deciding to vote out Eliza instead of the last remaining guy sealed her fate and lead to some of the girls turning on her. It was pretty sad. I wanted the final 6 to be all-girls. Would be nice. Although this season's top 5 are pretty much all girls. :lol: :p

serenaforever
Dec 15th, 2007, 04:48 AM
I couldn't have been the only one surprised to learn that Courtney had a proper, British father!!:eek: As sarcastic as she is, I would have never thought...

GO COURTNEY!! OR AMANDA!!
Denise, your just wasting space.:p
I agree, Todd should have been gone by now.
I LOVED IT WHEN THEY BLINDSIGHTED JAMES!!!:devil::worship::worship::worship: he was so cocky!!:rolleyes:

Tennisace
Dec 15th, 2007, 05:17 AM
One thing that I'm curious about is how the results of this season would have been different if it were more of a swimming season. While the challenges early on were very physical, I think a lot of players lucked out and got lucky that it wasn't a swimming season.

Ellery
Dec 15th, 2007, 01:54 PM
You mean Ami? :p I loved her, too, and also Leann. They were just cool.

But yeah, she got too cocky about her safety in the game. Deciding to vote out Eliza instead of the last remaining guy sealed her fate and lead to some of the girls turning on her. It was pretty sad. I wanted the final 6 to be all-girls. Would be nice. Although this season's top 5 are pretty much all girls. :lol: :p

Yeah, I loved Ami too. Well, about the final 5, other than, uh, Denise, maybe :p (and Todd obviously). Although the final 5 of 4 women with 1 gay man was seen before, at Guatemala, so itīs not a first.

Meteor Shower
Dec 15th, 2007, 03:54 PM
Yeah, I loved Ami too. Well, about the final 5, other than, uh, Denise, maybe :p (and Todd obviously). Although the final 5 of 4 women with 1 gay man was seen before, at Guatemala, so itīs not a first.
Good catch! Thats makes me wonder if the editors edited Todd so "villianly" just so it won't look too much like Guatemala.

Ellery
Dec 15th, 2007, 04:30 PM
Good catch! Thats makes me wonder if the editors edited Todd so "villianly" just so it won't look too much like Guatemala.

Rafe was awesome :worship: Technically Peih-Gee would have been this season's Danni, because she is the one from the minority tribe and who won a few immunities, but Amanda could also be seen as this season's Danni, I guess.

Drake1980
Dec 15th, 2007, 07:03 PM
OMG! Season Finale tomorrow!!!:woohoo:
I really want Todd or Courtney to win!:D

Jeff
Dec 15th, 2007, 07:58 PM
I cannot stand Courtney..

Xander
Dec 15th, 2007, 08:08 PM
Go Todd! :)

Scotso
Dec 16th, 2007, 05:24 AM
Rafe was awesome :worship:

He was great up until he voted for Stephenie to win out of spite. That was pretty ridiculous after he released Danni from their agreement.

Meteor Shower
Dec 16th, 2007, 03:34 PM
I was indifferent about Rafe.

Just dropped by to say first episode was survivor israel was very cool. they stayed true to the u.s version on all the basics which i love, and added some cool twists of their own. First episode was 2 hours, where they really focused on all people and we got to know all of them. It was challenge for both immunity and reward, having to carry a huge log, step on it and shoot a fire bow into a pretty far mark. After the challenge, the losing team had an individual challenge for the right to have 2 votes. It is still unclear if you can vote for the same person twice.
Next challenge will be the challenge from survivor 10 when the team carries heavy stuff, both go in circle trying to reach the tail of the other team. you know, where you can drop your weight but must give it to someone else.

What do you think?

P.S Go Amanda! :)

Ellery
Dec 16th, 2007, 04:05 PM
On the bonus clips on CBS there is actually a scene where Todd outright tells Peih-Gee that they don't want her in the final 3 because they would lose against her. Then Courtney says in her confessional that "not one of them heinous bitches would have a chance against Peih Gee in the final 3 because she is a great fighter and is respected." It seems that the producers really downplayed this part and edited the show to make it seem that Peih-Gee was just a sore loser when she said that she was voted out because of people were scared to death of her. Plus, in her complete final words clip, she said the first reason they voted her out was because of the other 4's pact to the very end. Peih-Gee also says that they respect that. It seems that CBS ferreted out every single clip that portrayed Peih Gee in a negative light to show us. :(

Scotso
Dec 16th, 2007, 05:48 PM
While that's probably true, in those negative clips she was being a bit of a baby. :p

Finale tonight! Woot!

It's always exciting, but also sad. I'm such a loser that I feel really sad when shows end.

No Name Face
Dec 16th, 2007, 06:28 PM
can't wait, i'll probably watch this one live.

Ryan
Dec 16th, 2007, 06:45 PM
I know what you mean Scotso, I'll feel incredibly disappointed if anyone but Amanda wins. If someone wins that I dont like, at Survivor, BB, anything, it ruins the season for me (for awhile anyway). I'll be disgusted if Denise or Courtney win, and will be ok if Todd wins.

canuckfan
Dec 16th, 2007, 07:02 PM
I think Amanda's gonna win. If Amanda, Courtney and Todd are the final 3, I expect the jury to vote like this:

Amanda: Jaime, Jean-Robert, Erik, PG, Denise
Todd: James
Coutney: Frosty

I'm not really sure about Jaime, James and Denise though. I get the feeling that James will vote for a man no mather what. Denise could vote for any of the three but Amanda seemed to have always been nice to her. No idea about Jaime...

Ellery
Dec 16th, 2007, 07:56 PM
I think Amanda's gonna win. If Amanda, Courtney and Todd are the final 3, I expect the jury to vote like this:

Amanda: Jaime, Jean-Robert, Erik, PG, Denise
Todd: James
Coutney: Frosty

I'm not really sure about Jaime, James and Denise though. I get the feeling that James will vote for a man no mather what. Denise could vote for any of the three but Amanda seemed to have always been nice to her. No idea about Jaime...


I agree about James, I have trouble seeing him vote for a woman. (I bet that he doesn't view Todd as real man, having called him stewardess, but whatever, I think he would still rather vote Todd than a woman).

I'll miss today's finale cause I have a final today and will study/sleep early, and don't want to go to bed with my brain full of Survivor stuffs :o At least I won't have to see James or Denise picking up the 100k prize urgggh :tape:

drake3781
Dec 16th, 2007, 08:49 PM
On the bonus clips on CBS there is actually a scene where Todd outright tells Peih-Gee that they don't want her in the final 3 because they would lose against her. Then Courtney says in her confessional that "not one of them heinous bitches would have a chance against Peih Gee in the final 3 because she is a great fighter and is respected." It seems that the producers really downplayed this part and edited the show to make it seem that Peih-Gee was just a sore loser when she said that she was voted out because of people were scared to death of her. Plus, in her complete final words clip, she said the first reason they voted her out was because of the other 4's pact to the very end. Peih-Gee also says that they respect that. It seems that CBS ferreted out every single clip that portrayed Peih Gee in a negative light to show us. :(

I was thinking about this too, with respect to the audience prize that may also be given. She really deserves it but won't get it for these reasons.

Could be that she did something that the producers don't like... often (as much as we know about) when that happens on reality shows, the producers rake the person over the coals in the edit (or in BB, even as the show progresses).

Ryan
Dec 16th, 2007, 08:53 PM
Why does she deserve it though? Yeah, she had to fight, blah blah blah, but she was a BITCH about it all the time. Obviously this is editing - but it doesn't look like they had to dig very deep to find clips of her blaming people for stuff, giving whiny confessionals and being confrontational. Editing will always be a big impact on how people are perceived, but I dont think they really did that big a number on her - she's been a bitch since the beginning of the season (from my point of view anyway) - and you can say im just believing what they show me, but thats all anyone has to do on and I think y'all are digging for reasons to think she has a good personality. :tape:

canuckfan
Dec 16th, 2007, 08:57 PM
So who wins the car tonight ? (Are they still giving a car by the way?)

Nobody is really better than the others at challenges.

I'm betting Amanda wins the car also and finally breaks the curse.

IceHock
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:08 PM
Lets go Amanda!!! And i'd want courtney to win as my second fave cause the last 2 just suck.

Ellery
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:30 PM
Why does she deserve it though? Yeah, she had to fight, blah blah blah, but she was a BITCH about it all the time. Obviously this is editing - but it doesn't look like they had to dig very deep to find clips of her blaming people for stuff, giving whiny confessionals and being confrontational. Editing will always be a big impact on how people are perceived, but I dont think they really did that big a number on her - she's been a bitch since the beginning of the season (from my point of view anyway) - and you can say im just believing what they show me, but thats all anyone has to do on and I think y'all are digging for reasons to think she has a good personality. :tape:

Peih Gee obviously got along with the ex Zhan Hu members, so saying that she was a bitch the whole season is definitely harsh. For instance, why did they only show Peih Gee apologizing to James in the recap clip and not in a regular episode? Also, there was a bonus clip only shown on CBS website where Todd tells Peih-Gee straight, out loud in front of Amanda and Courtney that they're not taking her into the final 3 because she would win. Then Courtney (yes Courtney) gives a confessional where she talks about the respect they all have for Peih-Gee and the fact that "none of them heinous bitches" would have a chance against her. I wonder why this part wasn't shown on the real show?

If you read Peih-Gee's post-boot interviews, they are very straightforward and honest, as well as classy. She herself admits that watching herself in the show, she really must have looked like a crazy, whiny bitch. I love Peih-Gee because she is just really frank about expressing her emotions and she admits her wrongs. It's not often that you see a person whine and then reflect one day later on how stupid that whining was. Peih-Gee has that level of self-consciousness and I really respect that. Also, unlike Todd and Courtney who whine even when things are going well (i.e. on reward challenge), Peih-Gee was truly in a shitty position. I guess ideally, Peih-Gee should have tried to always be cheerful, and happy, but that's really asking a lot of a starving person who is ostracized by everyone else. Most importantly however, she came out strong in the challenges despite starvation and that really shows her positive attitude, I think.

Anyway I do think Peih-Gee is a positive person. Had she truly been a negative person she would have probably have thrown in the towel and given up. I think that being surrounded by negative people like Courtney and even Todd who kind of ostracize her is hardly inducive to cheerful thoughts anyway.

Scotso
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:33 PM
can't wait, i'll probably watch this one live.

I'm debating that. Ever since I managed to get ahold of the wonderful invention that is a DVR, I haven't watched *anything* live. I hate commercials.

serenaforever
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:35 PM
2 1/2 hours and counting :bounce::bounce::bounce::dance::woohoo::banana::yi ppee:

Ellery
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:35 PM
So who wins the car tonight ? (Are they still giving a car by the way?)

Nobody is really better than the others at challenges.

I'm betting Amanda wins the car also and finally breaks the curse.

I don't think they will give out a car if there is already the 100k voting prize :confused: Just a feeling.

No Name Face
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:36 PM
i'm in the same boat, but i don't know if i want to wait until 10 to start watching...

Scotso
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Personally I don't understand how Amanda isn't the crowd favorite, too. :shrug: But I'm biased. Hopefully she wins the car, if there is one, the game, and the audience favorite. :p :D

Scotso
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:37 PM
I don't think they will give out a car if there is already the 100k voting prize :confused: Just a feeling.

They mean in the actual game. Usually they have a reward challenge where the winner gets a car.

Ellery
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:39 PM
They mean in the actual game. Usually they have a reward challenge where the winner gets a car.

I know, but having a car given out, and then later one player gets the surprise announcement of a 100k prize, it just seems too much to me :p Although I am sure Jeff is dying to hand 100k to that wonderful superhero supersurvivor James. :lol:

No Name Face
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:40 PM
maybe the audience will vote to give her shorts that cover her ass.
but yeah, amanda FTW. if not her, then todd. but amanda played the best game.

G1Player2
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:48 PM
Wow, I almost forgot this came on tonight.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Dec 16th, 2007, 10:58 PM
I think Amanda will win. She's nice enough and close enough to Todd to do it

Ryan
Dec 17th, 2007, 01:00 AM
Peih Gee obviously got along with the ex Zhan Hu members, so saying that she was a bitch the whole season is definitely harsh. For instance, why did they only show Peih Gee apologizing to James in the recap clip and not in a regular episode? Also, there was a bonus clip only shown on CBS website where Todd tells Peih-Gee straight, out loud in front of Amanda and Courtney that they're not taking her into the final 3 because she would win. Then Courtney (yes Courtney) gives a confessional where she talks about the respect they all have for Peih-Gee and the fact that "none of them heinous bitches" would have a chance against her. I wonder why this part wasn't shown on the real show?

If you read Peih-Gee's post-boot interviews, they are very straightforward and honest, as well as classy. She herself admits that watching herself in the show, she really must have looked like a crazy, whiny bitch. I love Peih-Gee because she is just really frank about expressing her emotions and she admits her wrongs. It's not often that you see a person whine and then reflect one day later on how stupid that whining was. Peih-Gee has that level of self-consciousness and I really respect that. Also, unlike Todd and Courtney who whine even when things are going well (i.e. on reward challenge), Peih-Gee was truly in a shitty position. I guess ideally, Peih-Gee should have tried to always be cheerful, and happy, but that's really asking a lot of a starving person who is ostracized by everyone else. Most importantly however, she came out strong in the challenges despite starvation and that really shows her positive attitude, I think.

Anyway I do think Peih-Gee is a positive person. Had she truly been a negative person she would have probably have thrown in the towel and given up. I think that being surrounded by negative people like Courtney and even Todd who kind of ostracize her is hardly inducive to cheerful thoughts anyway.


I'm sure thats all well and good, and they did give her the bitch edit, but its not like they used the same one clip over and over again. She gave the producers a TON of bitchy confessionals, plenty of negative moments and stupid accusations. I think PG is intelligent, determined and not a bad person at all, but its so easy to be classy after the fact - hindsight is 20/20 and its no surprise she'd be nice afterwards.

No Name Face
Dec 17th, 2007, 01:09 AM
whatever, they have all been bitchy.
i'm sure if you were starving and got dealt a bad hand in a game worth one million dollars, you'd be bitchy too.

i like PG and i don't think she was any more bitchy than todd or courtney

IceHock
Dec 17th, 2007, 01:25 AM
If i was amanda i would have eaten by myself, cause the 3 of them ate the last time

IceHock
Dec 17th, 2007, 02:56 AM
kinda shocked with how the jury is going towards courtney, i actually think she might take it, i was surprised at how people were being a little mean towards amanda, i thought she had this wrapped up.

canuckfan
Dec 17th, 2007, 02:59 AM
Todd gave one of the best final TC performance IMO.

Courtney was very good in a losing case. She was her charming, honest self.

Piss poor by Amanda. She might have lost the game right here. We'll see in 10 minutes.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:04 AM
I love Amanda's eyes. PG had a comment about them, wasn't feeling that.

Honestly Amanda would have been the top 3 on America's Next Top Model or Survivor. :)

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:06 AM
Well if the gay scheming Mormon can win Survivor, I guess it's not too hard to see Mitt Romney winning the presidency.

Selah
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:08 AM
I can't believe Todd won. Amanda lost the game at jury council acting so fucking pathetic. She certainly had my vote until then. I thought she played a great game but at Jury she came off really not confident and looking for sympathy votes instead of boasting the fact that she had great strategy throughout. I loved when PG said something about the doe eyes cause they were getting on my nerves also. LOL.

No Name Face
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:25 AM
amanda should have won this but she played an awful tribal council...that and she totally lied to denise, she shouldn't have done that.

i actually was most impressed with courtney in the final TC, though todd gave some good answers. i thought courtney would get no votes, but honestly, if you think about it, she did a great job. ANYONE could see that todd was patronizing JR, except JR...he really is an idiot.

drake3781
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:35 AM
Ugh, I missed everything until 10:00 when Jeff read the votes (got it on tape but will have to watch that tomorrow)..... how the HELL did Amanda not win? I'm shocked. I see from a couple comments above that she did poorly at the last TC. Still shocking that after playing the game with somebody that long, that some words at the very end would make that big a difference.

Good to see Denise out of it, after making a couple of really bad strategical desicions. I liked her until the very end.

Ryan
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:44 AM
I was extremely disappointed with Amanda's performance at the final TC. She played the best game of the final three IMO, but did not assert herself at all when answering questions or speaking on her own. She won the final two CRUCIAL Immunities, she really was a key part of all the strategic moves in the game, and didnt step on many toes. If she had sat down and spoke her mind confidently, taken responsibility for what she did, and been more engaging than pathetic, she would have won. Oh well, Todd deserved to win and Courtney did very well at the last TC as well. Denise :rolleyes: I've always liked James, good to see he is still funny and getting hell about his mistake.

Tennisace
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:46 AM
I don't know about anyone else but Jeff is looking :hearts: tonight and those pants are a little tight, not that I'm complaining.

You think that Amanda's pageant experience would have helped her in the final TC.

canuckfan
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:47 AM
Jeff Probst is in awesome form tonight at the reunion! I can't believe the questions he's asking!

"Are you anorexic?"
"Are you still a virgin?" :spit:

mckyle.
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:52 AM
Amanda lost because she tried to make herself look like she played as a good person when it was obvious she played a very deceptive game. People will respect you if you admit you are a conniving bitch, but won't like you if you try to hide it.

mckyle.
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:53 AM
Jeff Probst is in awesome form tonight at the reunion! I can't believe the questions he's asking!

"Are you anorexic?"
"Are you still a virgin?" :spit:

What's up with that haircut?

No Name Face
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:55 AM
jeff LOVES james, my god. i've never seen a man-crush so big. they should just have babies or something.
courtney is really hot and she really grew on me. same for PG...she looks good when she cleans up.

i'm still really disappointed at amanda's implosion.
denise is kind of annoying. i mean, i feel bad for her, but she needs to look at herself and stop with the pity party.

Tennisace
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:59 AM
Ugh not only did James win a 100K but it looks like we're going to see him again next season.

Was it just me or were all the "fans" not so attractive looking?

No Name Face
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:01 AM
james is officially the most pimped contestant in survivor history.
i'm sure jeff personally arranged to have james play again, so they can continue their *ahem* discreet affair.

Ryan
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:02 AM
Good, I'm sick of models and playboys making it onto the show to boost their careers. ;) I think the concept is really cool, I wont mind if James comes back but I hope it's NOT Courtney or Denise or PG.

canuckfan
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:12 AM
100% sure it's James. Jeff obviously has a boycrush on him. Go figure why? Jeff has the worst taste in contestants. Well at least he hates Jean-Robert.

Survivor China really renewed my interest in the franchise.
-Entertaining episodes all around
-A great cast
-A Deserving winner
-The best reunion show

All in all the best season since Pearl Island/Amazon

Can't wait for the new one.

drake3781
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:13 AM
OMG, just saw the preview for next season, and that was made for me! If I had known, I would have definitely applied, and I guarantee you that the producers would have taken a look, knowing who I am (or I should say, "was") in the Survivor fan/spoiler world. Yes, I'm sure they know of me. (I've not mentioned it here on this board.)

I've thought about applying, and thought that they would NOT want someone such as me, and now I find I was mistaken. :(

Most of those contestants look too young to have been big fans since the beginning, don't they? Unless maybe they were little kids... not the same as being a student of the show, though.

drake3781
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:14 AM
jeff LOVES james, my god. i've never seen a man-crush so big. they should just have babies or something.
courtney is really hot and she really grew on me. same for PG...she looks good when she cleans up.

i'm still really disappointed at amanda's implosion.
denise is kind of annoying. i mean, i feel bad for her, but she needs to look at herself and stop with the pity party.

I agree with everything you said. Jeffy was also in love with Colby Donaldson... remember that? :lol:

drake3781
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:20 AM
Good, I'm sick of models and playboys making it onto the show to boost their careers. ;) I think the concept is really cool, I wont mind if James comes back but I hope it's NOT Courtney or Denise or PG.

Supposedly Big Brother is doing the same.. airing ads for houseguests "from all walks of life", looking for a diverse and realistic cast. Sorely needed on BB, even more so than Survivor. But I will believe it when I see it.

mckyle.
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:21 AM
Supposedly Big Brother is doing the same.. airing ads for houseguests "from all walks of life", looking for a diverse and realistic cast. Sorely needed on BB, even more so than Survivor. But I will believe it when I see it.

Can't wait till February :bounce: Big Brother coming back early :hearts:

mckyle.
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:21 AM
I've been watching the show since I was 9, drake :p

canuckfan
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:21 AM
OMG, just saw the preview for next season, and that was made for me! If I had known, I would have definitely applied, and I guarantee you that the producers would have taken a look, knowing who I am (or I should say, "was") in the Survivor fan/spoiler world. Yes, I'm sure they know of me. (I've not mentioned it here on this board.)



Who are you, ChillOne?

KoOlMaNsEaN
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:22 AM
when will the new one start? if CBS has anything to do with it it'll start in Febuary along with Big Brother

Scotso
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:23 AM
It's also lame that James is the audience favorite. :weirdo:

Scotso
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:23 AM
Amanda lost the game at jury council acting so fucking pathetic.

Seriously. I switched my vote at that time to Courtney, because Amanda's acting just got on my nerves. I don't care how bitchy Courtney is, I just have to respect someone who is bluntly honest all the time (I'm the same). I really wanted Courtney to win at the end. Her one-liners are the best ever, she should become a comedienne.

The final sucked for many reasons. One, because Todd won... I think too many people on the jury were just morons and bought everything he was selling. I also hated that they gave Denise money thanks to her sob story. Everyone has a sob story, they didn't give them all money. At the very least they could have given money to PG too for being one of the top three. That would make it seem at least a little fair.

I'm also really pissed that in that entire hour long chat session they only spoke to Erik once, and only then to ask him if he was a virgin! Ridiculous. And he was looking so very hot, too. :sad:

But seriously, I don't know what he sees in Jaime. Sure she's somewhat pretty, but not all that bright. DUMP HER AND MARRY ME! :sobbing:

Scotso
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:29 AM
Well if the gay scheming Mormon can win Survivor, I guess it's not too hard to see Mitt Romney winning the presidency.

When they showed his hometown cheering for him back in Utah, I was wondering how many of them have actually let the fact that he's GAY sink into their heads.

mckyle.
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:32 AM
when will the new one start? if CBS has anything to do with it it'll start in Febuary along with Big Brother

yeah, it starts in february. now big brother is moving to wednesdays because survivor has thursdays.

Scotso
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:32 AM
It's also lame that James is the audience favorite. :weirdo:

I posted this after my larger post. Odd.

Scotso
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:46 AM
Ugh not only did James win a 100K but it looks like we're going to see him again next season.

Was it just me or were all the "fans" not so attractive looking?

Ferrealssssss!

There better be some hotties in the other half.

eck
Dec 17th, 2007, 05:10 AM
:help:

Amanda :smash:

Jury :tape:

Todd :fiery:

G1Player2
Dec 17th, 2007, 05:47 AM
Wow, I was actually hoping Courtney would pull off an upset win there at the end. Amanda had a horrible final TC. Just way to submissive...Todd blew her away. Very honest and candid and he gave a very raw answer to JR. Even shut him up. :lol:

the jamierbelyea
Dec 17th, 2007, 05:50 AM
OMG, just saw the preview for next season, and that was made for me! If I had known, I would have definitely applied, and I guarantee you that the producers would have taken a look, knowing who I am (or I should say, "was") in the Survivor fan/spoiler world. Yes, I'm sure they know of me. (I've not mentioned it here on this board.)

I've thought about applying, and thought that they would NOT want someone such as me, and now I find I was mistaken. :(

Most of those contestants look too young to have been big fans since the beginning, don't they? Unless maybe they were little kids... not the same as being a student of the show, though.

Since Survivor has a 21 year old age requirement, they would have been at least 13 or 14. Same as Todd.

drake3781
Dec 17th, 2007, 06:19 AM
Since Survivor has a 21 year old age requirement, they would have been at least 13 or 14. Same as Todd.
I guess at that age you can be a big fan. I tend to think of older people as serious fans - shall we say "students of the game" - but I guess 13-14 is old enough to start to develop that skill.

the jamierbelyea
Dec 17th, 2007, 06:38 AM
I guess at that age you can be a big fan. I tend to think of older people as serious fans - shall we say "students of the game" - but I guess 13-14 is old enough to start to develop that skill.

It worked for Todd, I think a super fan is a super fan and you develop that mindset at any age. When it's been on for 7 years you can learn a lot at some span of the show.

I really want to apply one day soon. I have the mindset of survivor, but I dont know if I could handle the outdoors. Big Brother is more my speed, but I'm certainly not pretty enough

Oneofakind0490
Dec 17th, 2007, 11:12 AM
Oh Gosh. At the final tribal council my power went out. Damn wind. Im not happy with the winner.

No Name Face
Dec 17th, 2007, 11:13 AM
i love survivor but i can't help but think i'd be bad at it, in the sense where i'm downright mean if i haven't eaten in a while.

Oneofakind0490
Dec 17th, 2007, 11:21 AM
So from what I saw. Courtney has a amazing tribal council and that won her two votes. Really thought she could win it. Todd did very well. I though Amanda was gonna win and she crumbled. Played the wrong card.

I dont like how James is America's favorite. Never liked him.

Tennisace
Dec 17th, 2007, 11:42 AM
i love survivor but i can't help but think i'd be bad at it, in the sense where i'm downright mean if i haven't eaten in a while.

I've always thought I could do pretty well with the starving thing seeing how I function on a daily basis starving/with a low amount of food in my tummy.

The thing is I imagine it's incredibly hard to get on unless 1) you're a model or 2) you know someone that does the casting.

Ellery
Dec 17th, 2007, 12:32 PM
Part of me is really pissed at Denise earning pity money, but at the same time, if there was ever a Survivor that kinda needed it, itīs Denise, so yeah whatever.

Peih-Gee and Jaime were gorgeous. Peih-Gee really cleaned up nice, sort of like Sundra at Cook Islands :eek:

Ellery
Dec 17th, 2007, 01:07 PM
Jeff asking about Erik´s sexual life was just gross. STFU Jeff :weirdo:

P.S. Is it just me or did Jeff seem distinctly pissed when he announced that Peih Gee was in the top 3 :lol:

tonythetiger
Dec 17th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Jeff asking about Erik´s sexual life was just gross. STFU Jeff :weirdo:

P.S. Is it just me or did Jeff seem distinctly pissed when he announced that Peih Gee was in the top 3 :lol:

I totally agree.

I knew that Todd would win if he got to the finals. I thought he deserved to win if he made it there. However, that doesn't mean I wanted him to win. I thought the girls were idiots for taking him there because they should have known that the past juries have never liked "tag-a-longs". Amanda would have won if she had gotten rid of Todd at the last council because it would have shown she was a more strategic player. She would have gotten more respect than Todd because she had less blood on her hands.

I don't think Denise should have been given the pity money on camera. I'm glad that James won the money, but he also wins the award for the biggest idiot in Survivor history.

Tennisace
Dec 17th, 2007, 02:28 PM
I find it highly ironic that the two players that had the most chances to win and subsequently squandered them got money anyways (James and Denise). So the moral of the day is those that make gigantic mistakes get rewarded in the end.

Ryan
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:26 PM
I was actually happy that Denise got money. We really didn't see her play up the sob story til the end of the game, and although it made me mad during final TC, she really did get shafted with her old job. You have a 40 year old woman sporting a mullet with a rather obese family, who used to be a lunch lady and got downgraded to a janitor. I felt really bad for her, not because no one else has a shitty life, but because she seems like a nice person. Not the brightest obviously, but I was really happy that Mark Burnett gave her 50 grand - its clear she needs it to help get her life on track, and I cant be mad at her for playing it up.

Ryan
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:29 PM
Oh, and I'm 20 now and I consider myself a "student" of the game - I've been watching it since it started, which scarily enough, was when I was about 13 or 14. :o

Scotso
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:50 PM
Since Survivor has a 21 year old age requirement, they would have been at least 13 or 14. Same as Todd.

They must have changed it, because Frosti was 20. :shrug:

Scotso
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:51 PM
So from what I saw. Courtney has a amazing tribal council and that won her two votes. Really thought she could win it. Todd did very well. I though Amanda was gonna win and she crumbled. Played the wrong card.

I dont like how James is America's favorite. Never liked him.

While Courtney DID have an amazing Tribal Council and totally convinced me to switch my vote from Amanda to her, that's not what got her the two votes. One vote was from Frosti, which she probably had from the beginning. The other vote was from Denise, who was just bitter.

Scotso
Dec 17th, 2007, 03:53 PM
Peih-Gee and Jaime were gorgeous. Peih-Gee really cleaned up nice, sort of like Sundra at Cook Islands :eek:

PG and Jaime did look good, PG especially cleaned up very well. But still, they don't come close to being as stunningly gorgeous as Sundra. :p

rockstar
Dec 17th, 2007, 04:23 PM
amanda really looked like she was gonna win but she just kinda sucked at tc...

i thought most of the women looked pretty damn good at the reunion :drool:

canuckfan
Dec 17th, 2007, 05:51 PM
The school where Denise work released a statement saying that yesterday's story about her being demoted was not true :eek:

Denise4925
Dec 17th, 2007, 05:57 PM
Wow, I'm so shocked. I thought for sure Amanda would win. Ugh, I hate that they let Todd get that far. :rolleyes: They should have voted him out two weeks ago.

I'm happy that they gave Denise $50K, but are they going to do that with everyone who has a sad sob story from here on out?

Denise4925
Dec 17th, 2007, 06:06 PM
Peih Gee obviously got along with the ex Zhan Hu members, so saying that she was a bitch the whole season is definitely harsh. For instance, why did they only show Peih Gee apologizing to James in the recap clip and not in a regular episode? Also, there was a bonus clip only shown on CBS website where Todd tells Peih-Gee straight, out loud in front of Amanda and Courtney that they're not taking her into the final 3 because she would win. Then Courtney (yes Courtney) gives a confessional where she talks about the respect they all have for Peih-Gee and the fact that "none of them heinous bitches" would have a chance against her. I wonder why this part wasn't shown on the real show?

If you read Peih-Gee's post-boot interviews, they are very straightforward and honest, as well as classy. She herself admits that watching herself in the show, she really must have looked like a crazy, whiny bitch. I love Peih-Gee because she is just really frank about expressing her emotions and she admits her wrongs. It's not often that you see a person whine and then reflect one day later on how stupid that whining was. Peih-Gee has that level of self-consciousness and I really respect that. Also, unlike Todd and Courtney who whine even when things are going well (i.e. on reward challenge), Peih-Gee was truly in a shitty position. I guess ideally, Peih-Gee should have tried to always be cheerful, and happy, but that's really asking a lot of a starving person who is ostracized by everyone else. Most importantly however, she came out strong in the challenges despite starvation and that really shows her positive attitude, I think.

Anyway I do think Peih-Gee is a positive person. Had she truly been a negative person she would have probably have thrown in the towel and given up. I think that being surrounded by negative people like Courtney and even Todd who kind of ostracize her is hardly inducive to cheerful thoughts anyway.

:worship::worship::worship:

Ryan
Dec 17th, 2007, 06:52 PM
yeah, Amanda was smokin! Really the only bangin chick this season, but PG looked a lot better then on the show, I've always had a thing for asian chicks. Jaime is just plain dumb, I cant separate her looks from her personality. Courtney. :tape:

Meteor Shower
Dec 17th, 2007, 07:02 PM
Amanda played the perfect game :(

Todd overplayed and really screamed 'I'm strategic. please vote me out' the whole show. Its a way of playing too, but its more a lets have fun way of playing rather than going for the money.
He was lucky that there was always someone else who needed to go. :mad:

sfselesfan
Dec 17th, 2007, 07:30 PM
All of the spoilers said Amanda was going to win. I disagree that she played the "perfect game" otherwise she would have gotten more than just Erik's vote. She clearly lied, but refused to own up to it in front of the jury. The "I feel so sorry and guilty" line doesn't work on Survivor. Denise called her out for it too. It's better to play like Todd or Courtney. Todd's "I lied and own up to it" or Courtney's "I didn't do anything" work a lot better. Amanda didn't have a clear point of view in front of the jury.

BTW - If you want to know which veterans are going to be on the next season, the most up to date list is posted in the "spoilers" thread. There's an incorrect list posted by someone else, check out my post if you want to know. I can't guarantee accuracy, but most were disclosed by Coby from Palau.

SF

cynicole
Dec 17th, 2007, 07:34 PM
I have no idea why but I opened up one of those news articles about the "Survivor" finale (I usually don't care all that much) and when I read the details on Courtney I realized that it was the same Courtney I had gone to high school with! I really should have realized it in the episode where her dad came on. :o (I'm 10 years removed from HS.)

It really takes the edge off all those bitchy moments on the show. I mean, yeah, she always made those bitchy comments. They just seem so much worse on edited TV.

Denise4925
Dec 17th, 2007, 08:13 PM
The school where Denise work released a statement saying that yesterday's story about her being demoted was not true :eek:

Do you have the link to the story?

sfselesfan
Dec 17th, 2007, 08:20 PM
Press Release: Mrs. Denise Martin
December 17, 2007
Douglas Public Schools

On the "Survivor China" television program that aired on December 16, 2007, Mrs. Denise Martin, an employee of the Douglas Public Schools, stated that she was demoted from her position as a cafeteria worker upon her return from taping the show. This statement is false. In fact, Mrs. Martin held a full-time position as a custodian prior to her participation in the series, and she returned to this same position upon her return from China. Mrs. Martin was granted - at her request - an unpaid leave of absence so that she could participate in the "Survivor" program. We were pleased and excited to support Denise, and have enthusiastically cheered her on throughout the duration of the show.

Although Mrs. Martin was a cafeteria employee prior to her selection as a contestant, she asked to be considered for a promotion to full-time custodian, and was promoted to this position on March 30, 2007. This promotion came with additional benefits and a higher salary. Following her leave, she then returned to this same position.

Regretfully, the Douglas Public School District was inaccurately portrayed as failing to be accommodating to an employee during what the District viewed as a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity. This is far from the case. On the contrary, we granted all requests made by Mrs. Martin so that she could participate in the "Survivor" series. Since Mrs. Martin was on an approved leave, her position was held open for her, and she returned to this same position upon her return from China. As a District, we make every effort to support our employees, and will continue to do so.

Nancy T. Lane
Superintendent of Schools


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SF

Denise4925
Dec 17th, 2007, 09:03 PM
Okay, first of all for Denise to be complaining about Amanda and Todd's integrity, what kind of integrity is she showing lying about her job, if what the District is saying is true? Second, didn't she think they'd be watching the Finale? Third, since the District came out with this, will she keep her job and the $50K?

griffin
Dec 17th, 2007, 09:13 PM
Wow, I'm so shocked. I thought for sure Amanda would win.


Nah, I knew she was toast the minute she decided to stick with Todd. The only question at that point was, who would she lose to, Todd or Courtney.

Despite what Jeffy said, Survivor Juries really DON'T have a problem with scheming and back-stabbing. In fact, they generally prefer it to people they see as "sliding in" What the juries have not had any patience for is people who are seen as trying to have it both ways.

At best, she was going to split the "played the game hard" vote with Todd. Even at that, the odds of JR and James - voting for a woman when other (even gay Mormon) options are available were slim.

Denise4925
Dec 17th, 2007, 09:19 PM
Nah, I knew she was toast the minute she decided to stick with Todd. The only question at that point was, who would she lose to, Todd or Courtney.

Despite what Jeffy said, Survivor Juries really DON'T have a problem with scheming and back-stabbing. In fact, they generally prefer it to people they see as "sliding in" What the juries have not had any patience for is people who are seen as trying to have it both ways.

At best, she was going to split the "played the game hard" vote with Todd. Even at that, the odds of JR and James - voting for a woman when other (even gay Mormon) options are available were slim.

She was so pathetic during the final TC.

Ellery
Dec 17th, 2007, 09:19 PM
She was so pathetic during the final TC.

She did not really take Peih-Gee's hint. :sad:

Denise4925
Dec 17th, 2007, 09:47 PM
She did not really take Peih-Gee's hint. :sad:

What was that, Ellery?

Denise4925
Dec 17th, 2007, 09:55 PM
I don't know, Denise makes me so mad because I hate stupid cowardly women like that. What did she think, if she took Todd Amanda and Courtney on enough reward challenges, they'll feel obligated to take her to final three? All the while ignoring PG's common sense plan to take over power and at least take her on one reward, since PG did give her a once in a lifetime reward going to the Temple. And, then was Amanda supposed to feel sorry for her because she only made $7 an hour and that was a reason for Amanda to take her to final three? :weirdo: Where's the benefit for Amanda? Even though, as scatter brained as Denise is, she would have fumbled the last TC and Amanda would have beaten her and Courtney probably. Especially with Todd's vote on the jury and it being her idea to get rid of James. But, still Denise didn't think any of this out and present it to Amanda. :smash:

Okay rant done. :p

Ellery
Dec 17th, 2007, 09:55 PM
What was that, Ellery?

When Peih-Gee told Amanda to stop looking at her with doe eyes and being apologetic about everything. Not really a hint, really, but...:(

Denise4925
Dec 17th, 2007, 10:11 PM
When Peih-Gee told Amanda to stop looking at her with doe eyes and being apologetic about everything. Not really a hint, really, but...:(

Yeah, she should have listened, but I think it was too late.

Ellery
Dec 17th, 2007, 10:15 PM
Yeah, she should have listened, but I think it was too late.

Yeah, Amanda seemed even more panicky after Peih-Gee's criticism, looking back now. :sad: So sad for Amanda.

On another James was actually kinda adorable last night. He was this likable naive strong dude in the beginning, became a jerk in the middle, and went back to the way he was in the beginning. Glad that my final impression of him will be positive.

Martian KC
Dec 17th, 2007, 10:17 PM
PG was hot. That is all. Great season, though.

sfselesfan
Dec 17th, 2007, 10:45 PM
If Denise had taken PG to the final, PG would have won...but Denise would have probably gotten second place and 50K more $.

SF

smarties
Dec 17th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Guess the real winner is Denise; she lied about losing her job ang got 5o grands for it :help:

Courtney's coments about Survivors not being like wellfare and of Denise sucking at life were quite mean but in a sense she was right.

Denise4925
Dec 17th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Yeah, Amanda seemed even more panicky after Peih-Gee's criticism, looking back now. :sad: So sad for Amanda.

On another James was actually kinda adorable last night. He was this likable naive strong dude in the beginning, became a jerk in the middle, and went back to the way he was in the beginning. Glad that my final impression of him will be positive.

Unfortunately, it wasn't enough to redeem him for me.

sfselesfan
Dec 17th, 2007, 11:01 PM
James have more time to change your mind soon. ;)

SF

Denise4925
Dec 17th, 2007, 11:04 PM
James have more time to change your mind soon. ;)

SF

Ugh! No more of James, please. Don't tell me he's in the next one. :rolleyes:

IceHock
Dec 17th, 2007, 11:49 PM
Lol, i'm gunna continue your rant Denise on Denise :p

Ok, so Denise after the reward she actually has the balls to say she was hurt that amanda didn't pick her?! I was like you've got to be kidding me, after what you did to PG you have the balls to say that, then her rant on she's poor, she needs the money, sry Denise survivor is not a pity party, so once again your screwed, and saying amanda said she had your back when you know she's been with Todd since day 1, once again use your brain, she's just so dumb, i'm not surprised she's a lunchlady, I can't see her being a doctor or anything. I was also shocked at tribal council, this might be the first jury that's been fair out of any season, I never pictured Todd winning and i'm still mad, amanda did the biggest chokejob i've ever seen, she let Todd try to screw himself up, and she pulled a Denise at tribal, she didn't take risks, she played it safe.

Ellery
Dec 17th, 2007, 11:56 PM
I believe 4th place gets something like 70000$, so coupled with the 50K, Denise won around 120k, beating Courtneyīs runner up prize of 100K. Congrats Denise for being the real runner up (financially speaking) of Survivor China! :lol: :o

IceHock
Dec 17th, 2007, 11:57 PM
I didn't know you get money also for not taking first.

Ellery
Dec 17th, 2007, 11:59 PM
I didn't know you get money also for not taking first.

This is not the Amazing race, where you donīt get anything for not winning :p I also read somewhere that the survivors each get 10k for being at the reunion. Dunno if itīs true or not.

IceHock
Dec 18th, 2007, 12:36 AM
This is not the Amazing race, where you donīt get anything for not winning :p I also read somewhere that the survivors each get 10k for being at the reunion. Dunno if itīs true or not.
hmmm, makes me rethink what show I wanna be on.

No Name Face
Dec 18th, 2007, 01:28 AM
alright...here's my thoughts 24 hours later...

this had all the makings of a great season until everyone turned retarded. todd was really annoying at the end...he was no "mastermind," leave that to earl or yul.

amanda still imploded...i've never seen anyone so deserving fold like that. she should have known that todd would play the card she played better (louder) than she and since the jury consisted of a large amount of idiots, they would see todd's flashiness and view her as a follower. she really shouldn't have fucked over denise...she should have known that denise would not win against her (or courtney, given she gave the same final TC perfomance)

courtney did the best of any long shot. who would have thought she'd be #2? courtney was hilarious and even her meanest comment about denise sucking at life is kind of true, especially in hindsight. based on final TC performances, i would have given courtney the vote, just because todd had totally pissed me off by that point.

denise is just beyond annoying. i don't even want to get started.

PG cleaned up really well...she was stunning. loved her personality too...she became one of my favorites in hindsight. given that i liked almost all of the characters, my threshold for who i really liked and who i didn't came out in the last episodes...

that's all i really want to talk about.

Scotso
Dec 18th, 2007, 01:33 AM
This is not the Amazing race, where you donīt get anything for not winning :p I also read somewhere that the survivors each get 10k for being at the reunion. Dunno if itīs true or not.

They probably do, otherwise some bitter people would tell them to @$^@ off.

If you're not going to win, it's probably better to be the first person on the jury. You get to travel everywhere and are treated like royalty. That would be fun.

Ellery
Dec 18th, 2007, 02:00 AM
They probably do, otherwise some bitter people would tell them to @$^@ off.

If you're not going to win, it's probably better to be the first person on the jury. You get to travel everywhere and are treated like royalty. That would be fun.

I always assumed that they did not give out cash prizes on the Amazing Race because if you donīt win, you can get good prizes by finishing first on any leg. I donīt know, maybe I should review that assumption :lol:

drake3781
Dec 18th, 2007, 04:52 AM
I don't think Denise should have been given the pity money on camera. I'm glad that James won the money, but he also wins the award for the biggest idiot in Survivor history.

I agree about Denise and the money, but what bugged me more was her appeal to millions of Americans to find her a job. It will help her, nonetheless. I wonder what her husband does for a living and how they live? Many people live well beyond their means and necessities... cable, video game machines, hot tubs, but somehow they cannot make ends meet. :shrug: And why she cannot find a better paying job, over years' time. I would like a lot more details before I feel sorry.

I find it highly ironic that the two players that had the most chances to win and subsequently squandered them got money anyways (James and Denise). So the moral of the day is those that make gigantic mistakes get rewarded in the end.

Agree, and that is life for you! Smart people and hard workers overlooked (so boring) for sexiness, charisma, looks, and feel-good-iness. So many examples out there.......... I won't begin to list them.

All of the spoilers said Amanda was going to win. I disagree that she played the "perfect game" otherwise she would have gotten more than just Erik's vote. She clearly lied, but refused to own up to it in front of the jury. The "I feel so sorry and guilty" line doesn't work on Survivor. Denise called her out for it too. It's better to play like Todd or Courtney. Todd's "I lied and own up to it" or Courtney's "I didn't do anything" work a lot better. Amanda didn't have a clear point of view in front of the jury.

Don't know what all the spoiler sites said, but Acme Brain Trust got the winner right, and most of the other details.

I didn't know you get money also for not taking first.

Yes, I believe about 100,000 for second (probably the 70,000 Ellery quoted after taxes), and goes down from there.

This is not the Amazing race, where you donīt get anything for not winning :p I also read somewhere that the survivors each get 10k for being at the reunion. Dunno if itīs true or not.
Yes I do think so for the reunion; and BB does the same.
I can't believe Amazing Race doesn't pay either.... I bet they do.


PG cleaned up really well...she was stunning. loved her personality too...she became one of my favorites in hindsight. given that i liked almost all of the characters, my threshold for who i really liked and who i didn't came out in the last episodes...


I didn't notice PG's look at the reunion show, but I noticed what she was wearing during the episode she was voted out... looked like she had fashioned a huge golden orange hair bow worn in the back, and a beatiful skirt for herself, and it looked amazing, especially in the contrast with their simple living conditions. (Like a Top Model fashion shoot but not effected.... came from a DIY creativity.)
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Denise's story vs. the school's story... I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between, and remember Denise said, "... at first they told me..." then she told her story about the job. Got the sense that there was a longer story, but she had to rush to tell it, not that she was trying to be dishonest. I'll dig to see what I can find here from my sources; will report back.

Ekin
Dec 18th, 2007, 08:41 AM
Poor Amanda~

sfselesfan
Dec 18th, 2007, 03:19 PM
courtney did the best of any long shot. who would have thought she'd be #2? courtney was hilarious and even her meanest comment about denise sucking at life is kind of true, especially in hindsight. based on final TC performances, i would have given courtney the vote, just because todd had totally pissed me off by that point.


Courtney was my pick from day 1.

I actually have to disagree and say that I found this season much better than Fiji.

SF

eck
Dec 18th, 2007, 03:55 PM
:lol:
Denise

This makes Johnny Fairplay's lie look like nothing.

canuckfan
Dec 18th, 2007, 05:09 PM
I always assumed that they did not give out cash prizes on the Amazing Race because if you donīt win, you can get good prizes by finishing first on any leg. I donīt know, maybe I should review that assumption :lol:

They do get paid for The Amazing race, but a lot less than for Survivor. Its mostly to compensate the time away from work. But since most of the team are aspiring actors anyway, they probably make more money on the race ;)

canuckfan
Dec 18th, 2007, 05:10 PM
I actually have to disagree and say that I found this season much better than Fiji.

SF

Agree.

Fiji was shit anyway.

Scotso
Dec 18th, 2007, 05:20 PM
I always assumed that they did not give out cash prizes on the Amazing Race because if you donīt win, you can get good prizes by finishing first on any leg. I donīt know, maybe I should review that assumption :lol:

I was talking about Survivor.

Ryan
Dec 18th, 2007, 06:16 PM
So do you guys think that because Jeff didnt bring up Todd's whole sister/abortion thing that is was real and the family didnt want to talk about it?

sfselesfan
Dec 18th, 2007, 06:20 PM
I had the same initial reaction regarding the miscarriage (not abortion), that it was a story Todd made up. But in the long run (actually, but the end of the show), I thought it was genuine.

SF

Ryan
Dec 18th, 2007, 06:23 PM
Sorry, miscarriage, my bad! :eek: I think it's true too, no one would pull a stupid stunt like that, its too obvious.

drake3781
Dec 18th, 2007, 06:25 PM
So do you guys think that because Jeff didnt bring up Todd's whole sister/abortion thing that is was real and the family didnt want to talk about it?
It was a miscarriage, which is what made it a traumatic family story. I never thought it was fake, and was slightly annoyed that editing played that up (even though I don't like Todd). Probably Jeff didn't bring it up because it was a non-story, but I guess since they made such a big deal of it on the show, Jeff should have gotten a quick answer for closure.

I found Jeff asking Eric if he was screwing Jaime really tactless and tasteless. :weirdo: And Eric shouldn't have answered him...

Ryan
Dec 18th, 2007, 06:37 PM
I thought it was funny and really, the only thing Eric contributed to the whole season. I'm positive he knew they were dating beforehand, and I think his questions were more direct this time because most people dont stick around for the Reunion. Eric didn't have to answer, but he did, and Jeff didn't ask him in a rude way I dont think. Jeff :worship:

sfselesfan
Dec 18th, 2007, 06:57 PM
What did you guys think of Jamie's jury questions? Didn't they remind you of Alex from last season? Personally, I don't like it when someone asks a question and then doesn't allow the person to answer. It was nice to see some fireworks though, and I thought the premise for the questions were appropriate to the situation.

SF

Denise4925
Dec 18th, 2007, 10:29 PM
Kudos to dAn and NNF for their respective rants. :worship: :lol: I agree with both of you, with the exception NNF, that I didn't like anyone in the beginning, especially PG, but she became my fave in the end. I also feel she was the most deserved of all the contestants to win, as she won the most immunity challenges and survived until final 5 with all odds against her. Her luck was just messed up with the tribe she had and with what she was left to work with on the merge.

She did, however, makes some early mistakes in her own tribe by alienating some people with her temper and bossiness and by throwing that challenge. Not good politics. But, otherwise, I think she was one of the better players of the game.

Ryan
Dec 18th, 2007, 10:46 PM
Her only problem was not trying to take Aaron and James into their group and create a cohesive unit, instead she alienated her old tribe members and got James against her. Obviously it paid off to a certain extent, but I think she could have made it further if she had tried to work with James and Aaron.

I liked Jaime's jury questions, and that she interrupted - she wanted an honest answer, no bullshit or sugarcoating. I dont think she's that smart, but she asked the best question of the bunch.

Denise4925
Dec 18th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Actually, this was one of my least favorite Survivor season, as far as the characters were concerned. My faves were the Survivor seasons with Cirie and her crazy tribe and Fiji, as far as characters and entertainment. Loved Yaoman, Earl, Alex, Dreamz, Rocky, that crazy woman who kept falling on every challenge, etc. Fiji just had a terrific well rounded cast and one of the best TC moments in Survivor history, including the James having two II and not using them TC.

Ryan
Dec 18th, 2007, 11:00 PM
I really liked this season - there were a few I just didnt like very much - Palau, the one with Chris winning, the car salesman winning, several boring ones.

Meesh
Dec 18th, 2007, 11:04 PM
alright...here's my thoughts 24 hours later...
amanda still imploded...i've never seen anyone so deserving fold like that. she should have known that todd would play the card she played better (louder) than she and since the jury consisted of a large amount of idiots, they would see todd's flashiness and view her as a follower. she really shouldn't have fucked over denise...she should have known that denise would not win against her (or courtney, given she gave the same final TC perfomance)
courtney did the best of any long shot. who would have thought she'd be #2? courtney was hilarious and even her meanest comment about denise sucking at life is kind of true, especially in hindsight. based on final TC performances, i would have given courtney the vote, just because todd had totally pissed me off by that point..
I totally agree, I couldn't believe how bad Amanda did in front of the jury. I actually started to like Courtney more on the final night!

Denise4925
Dec 18th, 2007, 11:16 PM
I really liked this season - there were a few I just didnt like very much - Palau, the one with Chris winning, the car salesman winning, several boring ones.

Is Chris the one with the one guy winning against the all girls tribe? Yeah, didn't like the one with the ex-porn star/drunk car salesman winning.

Ellery
Dec 18th, 2007, 11:20 PM
I love seeing pictures of survivors together (outside of the game) and there are some great ones here:
http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/22136/t/SURVIVOR-CHINA-FINALE-RED-CARPET-PHOTOS-now-with-afterparty.html?page=5

For Scotso: OZZY IS ON ONE OF THE PICTURES!!! :p

G1Player2
Dec 19th, 2007, 12:35 AM
Actually, this was one of my least favorite Survivor season, as far as the characters were concerned. My faves were the Survivor seasons with Cirie and her crazy tribe and Fiji, as far as characters and entertainment. Loved Yaoman, Earl, Alex, Dreamz, Rocky, that crazy woman who kept falling on every challenge, etc. Fiji just had a terrific well rounded cast and one of the best TC moments in Survivor history, including the James having two II and not using them TC.

I loved Fiji too but my absolute favorite is Survivor Marquesas. That was one of the earlier seasons but I don't know if you watched? It was SOOOOO good. It was the one with Sean Rector and Boston Rob and Kathy. Vecepia ended up winning in the end. I know alot of people don't like her but I thought she deserved it and was a great player; although not a great character because of the light editing on her.

But PG was my fave in the end too, however, she was lucky to make it as far as she did becuase her personality can be very grating and that gets old quick out there.

Calvin M.
Dec 19th, 2007, 01:12 AM
Not my favorite season (the last person I saw eliminated was Jean-Robert) because there were too many inept players. I did watch the finale, though.

Courtney was really amusing but I wish she had admitted (since she was known for her blatant honesty) or someone had pointed out to her that was it wasn't a major feat that she lasted as long as she did. Courtney wasn't voted out because she wasn't a physical threat. If her tribe had been the one losing consecutive challenges, she would've been sitting in Chicken's or the wrestler's seat during the reunion show.

Jaime's questioning was good. Editing may have made it look like she was being rude but she definitely didn't have time for waffling, which was the way to proceed, I think.

Peih-Gee is one of my favorite female participants in the show's history. She may have made decisions that people watching didn't like but she was one of the few who was actually playing the game (and not rolling over just because she didn't have the numbers). Too many useless (and indecisive) bystanders made me lose interest just after the merge. Speaking of weak players, I'm glad Probst put Denise on the spot about not aligning with Erik and Peih-Gee. Making that move could've upended the game...and salvaged this season, in my opinion.

Blu€
Dec 19th, 2007, 01:47 AM
Todd :bounce::worship:, Courtney :lol::devil:, Amanda ;), Denise :tape:

I really liked this season, I think it obviously has to do with the fact that this season I liked quite a few of the people while in the last two seasons none of the contestants really inspired me specially Exile Island found that season awfully boring except for that loony guy who always wanted to go. Coming back to China, the final IC was kinda disappointing, Jeff went on and on saying to Amanda "being fed in the final 4 before the IC can be crutial...bla bla" and it all came to holding plates :rolleyes:, anyways as long as Denise didnt win I was happy.
Great answers of Todd and Courtney at the last tribal council and dreadful by Amanda.
Looking forward to next season :wavey:

Scotso
Dec 19th, 2007, 02:36 AM
I love seeing pictures of survivors together (outside of the game) and there are some great ones here:
http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/22136/t/SURVIVOR-CHINA-FINALE-RED-CARPET-PHOTOS-now-with-afterparty.html?page=5

For Scotso: OZZY IS ON ONE OF THE PICTURES!!! :p

:drool: thanks! :lol: I wasn't going to click until I saw the comment about Ozzy, lol.

Too bad there aren't any pictures of Aras, Ozzy, and Erik making out.

Scotso
Dec 19th, 2007, 02:41 AM
James seems to have a bit of a thing for PG :o

Frosti looks like shit. :eek: He looked much better on the show.

sfselesfan
Dec 19th, 2007, 07:00 AM
James seems to have a bit of a thing for PG :o

Frosti looks like shit. :eek: He looked much better on the show.

There's a good reason for Ozzy to look like shit right now. ;)

SF

IceHock
Dec 19th, 2007, 04:18 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2007/12/18/did-survivor-lunch-lady-lie-to-swipe-50k/

Seems Denise may have lied to get that 50k

Ryan
Dec 19th, 2007, 04:35 PM
Its cool seeing people outside of the game having fun, it makes you realize that Survivor is such a unique experience, and that its a GAME - people dont seem to hold grudges. LMAO @ Rocky there, clinging to his 15 minutes of fame - I know other Survivor's are there, but none seem desperate like him.

Ellery
Dec 19th, 2007, 04:46 PM
Its cool seeing people outside of the game having fun, it makes you realize that Survivor is such a unique experience, and that its a GAME - people dont seem to hold grudges. LMAO @ Rocky there, clinging to his 15 minutes of fame - I know other Survivor's are there, but none seem desperate like him.

Drunken Rocky kissing Peih Gee = Ewwwwwwww.

griffin
Dec 19th, 2007, 06:31 PM
Is it just me, or does it look like Rupert's about to eat Leslie :eek:

Harju.
Dec 19th, 2007, 06:45 PM
Random notes.

- one of the better season of survivor post ASS.
- courtney was the star of the show. her one liners cracked me up. would have died a happy boy if she won.
- jamie was hot on the show and then now she looked like a soccer mom. boo.
- it was sad to see amanda choked at the final tribal council.
- i had a love/hate relationship with todd, but unlike amanda, he owned up what he did. and he deserved the title.
- do not get the pg love, but she did look hot.
- why did most of the girls have bangs post show? urgh and frosti looked fierce on the post party pictures. she outqueen todd. didn't think it was possible.

Denise4925
Dec 19th, 2007, 08:11 PM
I loved Fiji too but my absolute favorite is Survivor Marquesas. That was one of the earlier seasons but I don't know if you watched? It was SOOOOO good. It was the one with Sean Rector and Boston Rob and Kathy. Vecepia ended up winning in the end. I know alot of people don't like her but I thought she deserved it and was a great player; although not a great character because of the light editing on her.

But PG was my fave in the end too, however, she was lucky to make it as far as she did becuase her personality can be very grating and that gets old quick out there.

I watched some of Marquesas. I don't think I really started watching that one until the merge and the powerful tribe the other three or four merged with imploded. I really didn't even watch then either, b/c I have no idea why they imploded like that.

Denise4925
Dec 19th, 2007, 08:17 PM
Not my favorite season (the last person I saw eliminated was Jean-Robert) because there were too many inept players. I did watch the finale, though.

Totally agree with this. I was bored too. I think Jeff said it was one of the best only because they got to go to China. He couldn't have possibly meant the game.

Too many useless (and indecisive) bystanders made me lose interest just after the merge.

That's what frustrated me with it. Between Frosti, Courtney, Erik, Denise and Amanda it was a snooze fest as far as game play and strategy was concerned. It wasn't like Todd had to do any major scheming, because they were all his sheep to herd.

Speaking of weak players, I'm glad Probst put Denise on the spot about not aligning with Erik and Peih-Gee. Making that move could've upended the game...and salvaged this season, in my opinion.

OMG, :lol: that was the best part of the season next to James getting voted out.

Denise4925
Dec 19th, 2007, 08:45 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2007/12/18/did-survivor-lunch-lady-lie-to-swipe-50k/

Seems Denise may have lied to get that 50k

That is such a damn shame. :rolleyes:

If she had known what would happen? That she'd get caught in her lie?? :weirdo:

Denise4925
Dec 19th, 2007, 11:13 PM
DENISE REFUSES $50K

"Survivor" fourth-place finisher Denise Martin said she will turn down executive producer Mark Burnett's offer of $50,000 after being caught in a lie during the finale's live reunion show Sunday night.

Martin (oft-billed on "Survivor" as "The Lunch Lady") claimed she lost her Douglas, Mass. public school cafeteria job because her boss said she became too distracting to the students after her stint on the popular CBS reality show. Martin added she was now working as a janitor instead.

She told her tale on the CBS reunion show after the two-hour "Survivor" finale. Before getting voted out, Martin pleaded with rivals not to send her home, claiming she only earned $7 an hour. Another contestant cruelly bashed Martin during the episode for her economic status, saying she "sucks at life." After Martin then revealed her apparent demotion to cleaning toilets on the air, "Survivor" host Jeff Probst declared that Burnett will give Martin $50,000 - lending her story a happy ending.

But Douglas Schools Superintendent Nancy Lane disputed Martin's account the next day, saying she had requested the higher-paying janitorial work (at $17 an hour) and actually started her new position before leaving to film the show. In an interview on CBS's "The Early Show," Martin accepted her boss' version of events and apologized.

Late Tuesday, Martin released a statement through CBS: "I would like to apologize to Mark Burnett, Jeff Probst, CBS, Nancy Lane, the Town of Douglas and my friends and family. It was not my intention to mislead anyone. I take full responsibility for my actions and hope that you can find it in your hearts to forgive me. I do not feel comfortable about accepting the $50,000. I would instead ask that it be donated to the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation. Please accept my apology. I would also like to thank all the people who have supported me through this experience."

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/james-hibberd/

Drake1980
Dec 19th, 2007, 11:39 PM
Todd:woohoo:

Ryan
Dec 20th, 2007, 02:41 AM
How can Denise say she didnt want to mislead people when she lied about her job, how she got it, how much she was paid, and pretty much everything else? :shrug:

Denise4925
Dec 20th, 2007, 02:45 AM
How can Denise say she didnt want to mislead people when she lied about her job, how she got it, how much she was paid, and pretty much everything else? :shrug:

:haha: I know, right??!! So pathetic. :lol:

Tennisace
Dec 20th, 2007, 04:29 AM
What I find so ironic with this whole Denise fiasco is that she decides to "play the game" after the game is done.

mckyle.
Dec 20th, 2007, 04:35 AM
Ouch.

Scotso
Dec 20th, 2007, 04:40 AM
Wow, Denise has turned out to be such a major bitch.

sfselesfan
Dec 20th, 2007, 06:30 AM
I frankly could care less about what Denise said and whether it's true. She's a custodian...who cares.

SF

mckyle.
Dec 20th, 2007, 08:26 AM
I frankly could care less about what Denise said and whether it's true. She's a custodian...who cares.

SF

This isn't welfare. She sucks at life.

:rolls:

I was kind of disgusted when Courtney first said that, but now I see it's deserved :lol:

Calvin M.
Dec 21st, 2007, 01:52 AM
What I find so ironic with this whole Denise fiasco is that she decides to "play the game" after the game is done.

Yes, "China" doesn't garner any real interest until the Reunion show. haha

Calvin M.
Dec 21st, 2007, 01:54 AM
I frankly could care less about what Denise said and whether it's true. She's a custodian...who cares.

SF

That's not very nice. Janitorial work is a living (you don't know the circumstances that prompts people to become a custodian) and there are people with "nice" jobs who'd like to make $17 an hour like Denise.

Calvin M.
Dec 21st, 2007, 02:01 AM
This isn't welfare. She sucks at life.

:rolls:

I was kind of disgusted when Courtney first said that, but now I see it's deserved :lol:

Courtney may have not said it with hate in her heart but that was judgmental coming from someone who clearly has her own set of issues and whose own life isn't all that productive either. Just because she's younger than Denise and "has time on her side" doesn't excuse Courtney from "sucking at life" either. No question that Denise blew it and will live with the shame over the next months or so but it isn't like there's much too envy in how Courtney presented herself.

No Name Face
Dec 22nd, 2007, 03:51 PM
Fiji was ok
Cook Islands was kinda bad
China was really good...a better ending would have made it the best I've seen, but I'd still rank it pretty high.
Palau was really good, especially at the end
Outback was pretty good

I heard Pearl and Exile Islands were really good as well as Marquesas. Any thoughts/opinions?

Blu€
Dec 22nd, 2007, 04:04 PM
IMO:

Fiji -> :yawn: you knew Earl was going to win since almost the beggining
Cook Islands -> :worship: Aitu :bounce:
China -> :worship: Todd/Amanda/Courtney + PG
Palau -> OK but as Fiji the winner was pretty obvious
Pearl Islands -> Great! Nice ending
Exile Islands -> One of the worse I've seen
Marquesas -> Good but didnt like the ending at all

Calvin M.
Dec 22nd, 2007, 04:22 PM
Fiji was ok
Cook Islands was kinda bad

Fiji was a fun ride thanks to Yau-man, Dreamz, Lisi, Earl and Alex. I still crack up at the snobbery of Stacy and Lisi re: the coffee press...as if all Americans are supposed to know how to use them (let alone seen one before), haha.

Cook Islands I enjoyed because of the inclusion of more minorities, Yul's dominance, Jonathan's sliminess and the disdain for Candice by those she betrayed. How many times was she sent to Exile Island? hahaha

China was really good...a better ending would have made it the best I've seen, but I'd still rank it pretty high.

I rank it was one of the weakest seasons ever. Tied with Africa.

Palau was really good, especially at the end

Tom's control of the game was brilliant; Ian's 'gesture of honor' was quite lame.

Outback was pretty good

It was good for me up until Jerri was blindsided. After that, the clueless ones (Nick, Elisabeth, Amber and Rodger) couldn't see that they could overthrow the Tina-Colby-Keith alliance. I always liked Jerri's reason for voting for Tina: "You have to give Tina credit. She completely convinced Colby to take her to the final when he would've easily won the million against Keith".

I heard Pearl and Exile Islands were really good as well as Marquesas. Any thoughts/opinions?

The downside of Pearl islands was that people voted out were allowed back in. Otherwise, Sandra, Rupert, Johnny Fairplay and Lil made for an engaging season. I wonder if Lil could've won against Fairplay.

Panama: Exile Island was memorable for Shane, who quit smoking just before it started, Cirie's transition from weak link to MVP, Terry's dominance in the immunity challenges, poor Bruce being "backed up" and Courtney's fire dancing. haha

Marquesas will always be remembered because for the first time (going into the merge), the dominant tribe was immediately overthrown! If we applied that to China, it would mean that first person voted out and would become the first juror would be Todd. John the nurse on Marquesas was shocked as were his cronies, who were all picked off. Too bad Denise and James didn't have the foresight to do what Kathy, Neleh and Pascal did.

Amazon is still my favorite because once the merge happened, all the dominant players were sent packing! Relating it again to China, it would be like after the merge if Todd, Amanda and James went in succession. Rob C from Amazon orchestrated it beautifully, even indecisive people like Christie (the deaf girl) were casualties.

cynicole
Dec 22nd, 2007, 06:22 PM
I started watching "Survivor" in the second season and more or less stopped watching "Survivor" after "Bobby John and Stephanie, Part 2" and only watched the occasional episode after that because someone I live with watches the show (the only season I completely missed was Fiji). The only reason I bothered to catch up with "Survivor: China" (ended up going through onDemand to watch the episodes) is because I knew Courtney Yates from high school.

So of the seasons I watched, my favorite was Marquesas until the whole "purple rock." Either Paschal or Kathy (or even Sean) winning would've made me very happy. Though you could say it would've been better if Neleh (Oh my heck!) wasn't portrayed as being a useless coattail-rider or Vecepia going all Jesus-freakery. But even if the final two was hard to take, it's probably still my favorite season overall.

"Survivor: Amazon" left me sort of bitter at the end because the editing made you think that Matthew (was his name "Matthew?") was sort of awesome but in reality the rest of the castaways thought he was a prime candidate for psychotic serial killer and that Jenna was a total biatch that nobody liked at all. The editing was waaaaaaaaaaay too deceptive.

The worst season that I've watched is Thailand. Easily. Worse than All-Stars.

Ryan
Dec 22nd, 2007, 07:40 PM
Who won Thailand again? I hated Marquesas overall, Neleh and Vecepia. :retard:

cynicole
Dec 22nd, 2007, 09:35 PM
Who won Thailand again? I hated Marquesas overall, Neleh and Vecepia. :retard:

Brian, the used car salesman with the teeny euro-style bathing suit (he's also a former soft-core porn actor).
Clay (probably the most vile/despicable character ever) came in 2nd.

And Ghandia (sp?) and the whole "sexual harrassment/assault" whatever thing was probably the most uncomfortable incident/storyline that has ever happened on "Survivor." (I can't imagine anything I haven't seen being like that.)

Ryan
Dec 22nd, 2007, 09:36 PM
Yeah I remember now. Horrible cast, horrible ending.

FLL
Dec 22nd, 2007, 10:01 PM
Helen should've won Thailand... As Kathy should've won Marquesas!
I'm happy for Todd.. best player by far!

Ysabella
Dec 23rd, 2007, 07:43 PM
oh i love todd, he studied the game, made strategies and worked since day 1, he may have betrayed many, but he is such a good strategist, and amongst the three left, he is the most deserving,, his doing the dirty job, and the two ladies expect to earn the million $$$?

i also love panama exile island, too bad terry did not win, i think he is a really strong player and had he be in the final two, neither daniela nor ares had chance,,

;)

Calvin M.
Dec 24th, 2007, 03:26 AM
So of the seasons I watched, my favorite was Marquesas until the whole "purple rock." Either Paschal or Kathy (or even Sean) winning would've made me very happy. Though you could say it would've been better if Neleh (Oh my heck!) wasn't portrayed as being a useless coattail-rider or Vecepia going all Jesus-freakery. But even if the final two was hard to take, it's probably still my favorite season overall.

Neleh blew her chance to win as soon as she offered then all the mint that was in her mouth. hahaha

"Survivor: Amazon" left me sort of bitter at the end because the editing made you think that Matthew (was his name "Matthew?") was sort of awesome but in reality the rest of the castaways thought he was a prime candidate for psychotic serial killer and that Jenna was a total biatch that nobody liked at all. The editing was waaaaaaaaaaay too deceptive.

Poor Matthew. I just thought he was quirky and that it was one of those cases where you have all these conventional types together and they can't tolerate someone who doesn't play their game. He didn't deserve to win but I felt bad for him because I believe he only got one vote. Jenna had Heidi's support and default votes because the jury didn't understand Matthew.

The worst season that I've watched is Thailand. Easily. Worse than All-Stars.

Thailand is in my Top 3 of worst seasons. Brian deserved to win primarily because he convinced (early on) Helen, Ted and Clay to be loyal to him. There was a chance to blindside him but, as often happens, they didn't take it.

Calvin M.
Dec 24th, 2007, 03:32 AM
Helen should've won Thailand... As Kathy should've won Marquesas!
I'm happy for Todd.. best player by far!

Helen could've won but she was too busy being loyal to Brian. She understood alliances but was clueless about strategy.

Kathy should've won but Neleh made the wise decision since she had no chance of beating Kathy in the final.

cynicole
Dec 24th, 2007, 04:31 PM
It wasn't Brian winning that made Thailand so appalling as it was Ghandia, Clay and the other tribe (and having to hear about whiny Ken and whatever 9/11-related department he worked for) just being there. Shii-Ann wasn't exactly the wisest cookie but it really wasn't a surprise that she went all openly ga-ga over Brian and the other tribe at the "fake merge."

FWIW, I never understood why people were so crazy over Helen.

Ellery
Dec 24th, 2007, 07:57 PM
Someone posted this at Survivorsucks :worship:
http://survivorsucks.com/topic/674/t/Survivor-Mortal-Kombat-Part-II.html?page=12

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s238/vanslyker/MK17JamesLoses.gif

Love it.

Scotso
Dec 25th, 2007, 03:52 AM
I love Erik rescuing Jaime :lol:

No Name Face
Dec 25th, 2007, 02:58 PM
just finished watching pearl islands. that was the best season ever with the twists! sandra played a flawless game. unfortunately i knew the top 3 when i first started watching...however, i was confused as fuck when lill got voted out early. but such a good season...sandra diaz is now my favorite female survivor ever. she played an awesome game and it would not have worked for anyone else, much like tom westman in palau.

honestly when i was watching i was like "how can sandra ever win?" then it all came together in the end. loved that season..every character is likeable (and if not, they're strategic). well i hated osten, but that goes without saying.

tijuana = hottest castaway??? she's bangin.

i'm actually a relatively new survivor fan, only seeing australia, most of africa, cook islands, fiji, china, palau, and pearl islands. now i'm going to watch vanatu and exile islands. i don't see it getting any better than PI though.

Cam'ron Giles
Dec 25th, 2007, 03:11 PM
Frosty looks like a sizzling hot mess...is he and Todd gay?

griffin
Dec 26th, 2007, 01:22 AM
Frosty looks like a sizzling hot mess...is he and Todd gay?

Is the pope Catholic?

Helaena
Dec 26th, 2007, 11:22 AM
oh my, courtney's little munchkin looks gay, he didn't appear to be gay in survivor, but afterwards, his pictures, poses and everything makes him more like it....;)

No Name Face
Dec 30th, 2007, 03:33 PM
we should have lists of our favorite survivors. i'll start:

1. Aras (Exile Island)
2. Cirie (Exile Island)
3. Yau Man (Fiji)
4. Sandra (Pearl Islands)
5. Bobby Jon (Palau)
6. Ian (Palau)
7. Courtney (China)
8. Earl (Fiji)
9. Todd (China)
10. Ami (Vanuatu) *UPDATED*

i haven't seen some of the earlier seasons, but i saw australia and only liked tina, colby, elisabeth, and rodger...but they're not memorable for me. once i see them, maybe it will change. to me, PI and EI are the best seasons, followed closely by Palau and China.

Ryan
Dec 30th, 2007, 03:52 PM
This'll be though, but mine is almost the opposite of NNF's. :lol: :eek:

Sally (Exile Island)
Jenna (Original Survivor)
Stephanie (Palau/Guatemala)
Terry (Exile Island)
Bobby Jon (Palau/Guatemala)
Gregg (Palau)
Ethan (Africa)
Jenna M (Amazon)
Amanda (China)
Darrah (Cook Islands)
Rob M (Marquesas/AS)


That's not in any particular order, too hard to rank. I realize I like hot girls. These are definitely the best women IMO from Survivor. The guys are just ones I remember most and enjoyed watching, Rob mostly because he's hilarious and Terry because he kicked ass in challenges. Honorable mentions go to Jonathan and Candice, the mutineers. ;)

Helaena
Dec 30th, 2007, 04:32 PM
i haven't seen much survivor series but these are my faves:

1. terry (exile island)
2. ozzy (cook islands)
3. yul (cook islands)
4. eliza (vanuatu)
5. todd (china)
6. PG (china)
7. ami (vanuatu)
8. courtney (china)
9. aras (exile island)
10. rob m (all stars)

Meteor Shower
Dec 30th, 2007, 04:44 PM
Darrah (Cook Islands)
Rob M (Marquesas/AS)


That's not in any particular order, too hard to rank. I realize I like hot girls. These are definitely the best women IMO from Survivor. The guys are just ones I remember most and enjoyed watching, Rob mostly because he's hilarious and Terry because he kicked ass in challenges. Honorable mentions go to Jonathan and Candice, the mutineers. ;)
Darrah the mortician :drool: She was from PI. Good season. :)
2 and 3. Sandra & Yul, my only fave winners.
4. Ami from Vanuatu
5. Helen from Thailand
6. Eliza from Vanuatu
7. Steph from Palau&Guatemala
8. Jonathan from CI
9. Angie from Palau
10. Kelly if I have to choose from Season 1

No Name Face
Dec 30th, 2007, 05:05 PM
I like the hot girls but they're rarely good players.
In terms of hot girls, PG, Candice, Tijuana, and Amber would be in my top 20.

I just started watching Vanatu and Eliza is :drool::drool::drool:
Best rack ever --- if she turns out to be a good player, she could easily make my top 10.
Sally from Exile was smokin' too...but again, she didn't do much strategically.

Danielle from Exile Island was hot, but didn't do much, compared to Aras, Terry, even Cirie.

I don't think I have a type/demographic of player I like more than others. If you look at my list, it's very diverse with men and women of different races/statures/positions. Aras is my favorite survivor ever is because he was just a chill dude. Loved his rivalry with Terry, relationship with Cirie and honestly, I would have loved to play the game as hard as he did, but with Sandra's "as long as it isn't me" strategy --- in my opinion, the greatest strategy employed in Survivor.

Ryan
Dec 30th, 2007, 05:31 PM
Shit, howd I forget Ozzy and Yul!

I dont find Eliza attractive at all honestly, and Danielle was funky too. Candice for sure, I have a thing for villains. I never liked Aras, because to me he came off as whiny and arrogant.

No Name Face
Dec 30th, 2007, 05:47 PM
Eliza is a semi-butterface but her body makes up for it.

Aras whiny and arrogant? I don't really see it. He was the leader of the tribe and I think he handled it better than Tom Westman. I quite liked the Aras/Terry rivalry and that ultimately they respected each other.

Yul was cool, but overrated. He played with like the worst top 5 (in terms of strategy) ever. He had Ozzy (won everything, but had no strategy), Becky (zzzzz), Sundra (zzzzz), and Adam (dumb). To me, Earl was by far the better player because of his competition (the horsemen), Yau, and even Dreamz who was a wildcard in every sense. Cassandra was even a better player than given credit for, especially when compared to strategic zeros like Adam or Sundra.

Ryan
Dec 30th, 2007, 05:51 PM
I thought Eliza was a twig, and her face was too big for her body haha.

Aras IMO always moaned and cried whenever Terry won Immunity and I dont even think he had THAT great a strategy - he was in the majority the entire time, dealt with morons like Shane and Courtney, and hardly had to break a sweat in convincing the idiot Danielle to take him to the final Two. Obviously he was a good player, and I like him as a person from things I've seen during/after Survivor, but when I watched it I couldn't stand him, and I dont think his strategy was as great as some other winners, since there was so much chaos at camp he just snuck through.

Meteor Shower
Dec 30th, 2007, 05:58 PM
I forgot about Christy and Rob C from the Amazon. I'd probably replace them with Angie and Helen.

Entertainment-wise, I liked the Jenna-Heidi-Shawna alliance, Judd, and Jean Robert.
Oh, Jenna-Heidi-Shawna-Deena alliance. Best start of any season in survivor.

I agree about Eliza. a bit alienish face but her body :drool:

No Name Face
Dec 30th, 2007, 06:01 PM
You are right, but I felt like I could relate to Aras and how he dealt with defeat..I'd be the same way when it comes to Terry. He became my favorite when he apologized to Terry for that lie about Terry making comments about women.

I know Aras isn't the best winner nor did he have the best strategy, but he was the Survivor I could relate to the most, and I'm glad he won. However, I would root for Cirie to win just because she is so likeable and NOT Rupert Boneham, who I can't stand.

Ellery
Dec 30th, 2007, 06:32 PM
Nice to find this thread still alive :worship:

Favorite Survivors from the few seasons I watched in its entirety :):
China: Peih-Gee, Amanda. Also the quatuor of Peih-Gee, Frosti, Jaime and Erik. Wish they could have somehow made the final 4 together :drool:
Fiji: Yau-Man and Earl :worship: :bowdown: Also Cassandra (underrated IMO), Boo, Michelle.
Cook Islands: the Aitu 4, especially Yul. Also Jonathan and to some extent, Candice. Wish we'd also seen more of Cecilia.
Vanuatu: Ami
All-Stars: Tina, Kathy and Shii-Ann

Least favorite Survivors:
There is no one from China I really dislike. (well maybe Ashley, but she was there for like 2 episodes so she doesn't really count). I have about zero respect for Denise, but I can't really bring myself to hate her, because she is so... insignificant.
HATE Alex Angaretard, Faceplant Lisi, Rocky, Nightmarez. (not for the failed promise itself, which I understood, but for the way he handled it afterwards)
Also HATE pretty much the whole Raro tribe from CI, before the mutiny. I could stand Brad and Rebecca, but that was about it. Hated Adumb, Parslutty, Adumber (Nate), Jenny.
Also hated Boston Rob (do Bostonians seriously speak like that :unsure: :scared: and S**** from Vanuatu (not so much because of her showing in Vanuatu but because of her :weirdo: blog)

Calvin M.
Dec 30th, 2007, 08:53 PM
My favorites because I liked their game play. In order by edition they appeared on:

1. Richard (Borneo/Palau Tiga AKA Season 1)
2. Tina (Australian Outback)
3. Kathy (Marquesas)
4. Rob C (Amazon)
5. Sandra (Pearl Islands)
6. Rupert (Pearl Islands)
7. Boston Rob (All-Stars)
8. Chris (Vanuatu)
9. Yul (Cook Islands)
10. Earl (Fiji)

Calvin M.
Dec 30th, 2007, 09:15 PM
My "Survivor" Hot Girls (hopefully the site won't crash this time, haha):

Colleen (Borneo)
Jessi (Africa)
Sarah (Marquesas)
Erin (Thailand)
Tijuana & Darrah (Pearl Islands)
Julie (Vanuatu)
Jenn (Palau)
Sundra (Cook Islands)
Jessica (Fiji)

Calvin M.
Dec 30th, 2007, 09:19 PM
Also hated Boston Rob (do Bostonians seriously speak like that :unsure: :scared:

Yes!

A friend named Linda, Boston born and bred, even sometimes without thinking says "Hey, it's Linder." haha

Denise4925
Dec 31st, 2007, 06:45 PM
Fiji was a fun ride thanks to Yau-man, Dreamz, Lisi, Earl and Alex. I still crack up at the snobbery of Stacy and Lisi re: the coffee press...as if all Americans are supposed to know how to use them (let alone seen one before), haha.

Cook Islands I enjoyed because of the inclusion of more minorities, Yul's dominance, Jonathan's sliminess and the disdain for Candice by those she betrayed. How many times was she sent to Exile Island? hahaha



I rank it was one of the weakest seasons ever. Tied with Africa.



Tom's control of the game was brilliant; Ian's 'gesture of honor' was quite lame.



It was good for me up until Jerri was blindsided. After that, the clueless ones (Nick, Elisabeth, Amber and Rodger) couldn't see that they could overthrow the Tina-Colby-Keith alliance. I always liked Jerri's reason for voting for Tina: "You have to give Tina credit. She completely convinced Colby to take her to the final when he would've easily won the million against Keith".



The downside of Pearl islands was that people voted out were allowed back in. Otherwise, Sandra, Rupert, Johnny Fairplay and Lil made for an engaging season. I wonder if Lil could've won against Fairplay.

Panama: Exile Island was memorable for Shane, who quit smoking just before it started, Cirie's transition from weak link to MVP, Terry's dominance in the immunity challenges, poor Bruce being "backed up" and Courtney's fire dancing. haha

Marquesas will always be remembered because for the first time (going into the merge), the dominant tribe was immediately overthrown! If we applied that to China, it would mean that first person voted out and would become the first juror would be Todd. John the nurse on Marquesas was shocked as were his cronies, who were all picked off. Too bad Denise and James didn't have the foresight to do what Kathy, Neleh and Pascal did.

Amazon is still my favorite because once the merge happened, all the dominant players were sent packing! Relating it again to China, it would be like after the merge if Todd, Amanda and James went in succession. Rob C from Amazon orchestrated it beautifully, even indecisive people like Christie (the deaf girl) were casualties.

:worship::worship::worship: I totally agree with this assessment of these Survivors. Africa = China = :yawn:

All of the bolded people were my faves. :)

Denise4925
Dec 31st, 2007, 06:49 PM
The worst season that I've watched is Thailand. Easily. Worse than All-Stars.

Ummm, it's a toss up for me between Thailand, Africa and China.

Denise4925
Dec 31st, 2007, 06:52 PM
Brian, the used car salesman with the teeny euro-style bathing suit (he's also a former soft-core porn actor).
Clay (probably the most vile/despicable character ever) came in 2nd.

And Ghandia (sp?) and the whole "sexual harrassment/assault" whatever thing was probably the most uncomfortable incident/storyline that has ever happened on "Survivor." (I can't imagine anything I haven't seen being like that.)

Yep, those things and those people probably makes Thailand worse than any other Survivor ever. Wose than boring Africa and no strategy/dumb game playing China.

Denise4925
Dec 31st, 2007, 06:53 PM
Helen should've won Thailand... As Kathy should've won Marquesas!
I'm happy for Todd.. best player by far!

Oh my! :tape:

Denise4925
Dec 31st, 2007, 06:58 PM
Eliza is a semi-butterface but her body makes up for it.

Aras whiny and arrogant? I don't really see it. He was the leader of the tribe and I think he handled it better than Tom Westman. I quite liked the Aras/Terry rivalry and that ultimately they respected each other.

Yul was cool, but overrated. He played with like the worst top 5 (in terms of strategy) ever. He had Ozzy (won everything, but had no strategy), Becky (zzzzz), Sundra (zzzzz), and Adam (dumb). To me, Earl was by far the better player because of his competition (the horsemen), Yau, and even Dreamz who was a wildcard in every sense. Cassandra was even a better player than given credit for, especially when compared to strategic zeros like Adam or Sundra.

:worship::worship::worship:

Thank you. I think it was the best Survivor, strategically, than any other.

Ryan
Dec 31st, 2007, 07:09 PM
I thought Yul was overrated too, because he had Becky to help him along and was never really in danger of losing. Earl had to work to be liked by everyone the entire game and still vote them off (he was helped by Dreamz going back and forth I think). I dont think he was the best Survivor ever, but better than Yul by abit.

Denise4925
Dec 31st, 2007, 09:03 PM
I thought Yul was overrated too, because he had Becky to help him along and was never really in danger of losing. Earl had to work to be liked by everyone the entire game and still vote them off (he was helped by Dreamz going back and forth I think). I dont think he was the best Survivor ever, but better than Yul by abit.

I don't think Earl was the best Survivor ever, but in my opinion, he ranks in the top 5. I think Fiji was the best Survivor though, in terms of strategy, game play, characters and exciting moments, though. The only one that comes close in my opinion is Exile Island.

Ellery
Jan 1st, 2008, 03:21 PM
Actually, Yul was very very close to losing. Adam (who voted for him) said at the reunion that he would have voted Ozzy had he known that the decision to boot Jonathan before him/Parvati was taken by the team and not by Yul (good play by Yul there in convincing him that was the case). Also, Sundra was probably expected to vote Ozzy, so Ozzy could easily have won 6-3.

Meteor Shower
Jan 1st, 2008, 03:59 PM
Sundra 100% would vote for Yul.
Joining Ellery in Yul defense, he wasn't overated at all. He had the best social skills ever!

Liked by everyone, got someone to follow him, and kept all the Aitu people together, and made all the other three comfortable they are going to the end. Those are 4 priceless things in the game, if you got them you will go far. Everyone felt secure with him, so they never thought of getting rid of him.

No Name Face
Jan 1st, 2008, 10:08 PM
Denise, I would put Earl in my top 5 too. In terms of winners (that I've seen) and their strategies, here would be my top 5.

Close calls: Hatch, Jenna M, Yul
5. Tom (Palau) [I would have voted for Tom]
4. Tina (Australia) [I would have voted for Tina]
3. Chris (Vanuatu) [I would have voted for Twila --- I think this was a great top 2 and a great/underrated season]
2. Earl (Fiji) [I would have voted for Earl]
1. Sandra (Pearl Islands) [I would have voted for Sandra]

You may disagree with my #1 but she, like Tina and Tom, played the perfect game (in terms of getting no votes and winning in the end). Sandra's strategy would have worked for no one but herself and she knew that. Her orchestration to fuck over Burton was brilliant...Sandra was the best survivor IMO. Sandra also had the biggest competition: EVERYONE at the merge knew how to play the game and play it well except Rupert. Christa, Tijuana, JFP, Burton, even Lill are better than average players.

Then again, I haven't seen Africa, Thailand, Marquesas, and Guatemala.

Todd, IMO is one the worst winners despite being one of my favorites. Aras too. Todd's strategy should have bitten him in the ass plenty of times. Aras should have left if Terry wasn't an idiot with the idol. That being said, I'm stoked Aras won and I liked Terry a lot...so it's a win/win for me.

Ryan
Jan 2nd, 2008, 12:52 AM
I think Dani's strategy in Guatemala is definitely underrated. She came into the merge down in numbers - her tribe went from 4 at the merge to two after Brandon and Bobby Jon were voted out. Clearly outnumbered, Dani works her way into the center of an alliance with Rafe, Cindy and Steph, takes none of the heat for her decisions and manages to beat Steph in the finals. I love that season though, I've probably paid less attention to others. I definitely disagree with NNF's list, but that's because I hated Sandra, Chris and Tom. I'll make my own list soon so it can be picked apart haha.

Miranda
Jan 2nd, 2008, 09:54 AM
is there anyone who is kind enough to answer my question? is it true that only the ultimate winner got $$$? how about the finalist or the remaining, did they get a small sum too, coz if this is the case, its not very fair given that most of the times, the ultimate suvivor won with lucks, there are some who worked harder/won more challengers, deserved to win but did not win, i think they deserve some $$$ i.e. like Terry/Rafa :confused::wavey:

Ellery
Jan 2nd, 2008, 02:00 PM
is there anyone who is kind enough to answer my question? is it true that only the ultimate winner got $$$? how about the finalist or the remaining, did they get a small sum too, coz if this is the case, its not very fair given that most of the times, the ultimate suvivor won with lucks, there are some who worked harder/won more challengers, deserved to win but did not win, i think they deserve some $$$ i.e. like Terry/Rafa :confused::wavey:

Definitely not. For example, second place finisher usually gets 100 000$, while third place finisher may get something like 65 000$ (this was posted on a Survivor China forum). Also, I think that Tina won 3 000$ as the first bootee of Survivor All-Stars.

Blu€
Jan 2nd, 2008, 04:19 PM
3. Chris (Vanuatu) [I would have voted for Twila --- I think this was a great top 2 and a great/underrated season]


Agreed. I hated that Chris won but he really worked it. That final tribal council was priceless, Twila's speech was so touching & Chris was soooo lame but he couldnt lose with that jury

Denise4925
Jan 2nd, 2008, 09:44 PM
Agreed. I hated that Chris won but he really worked it. That final tribal council was priceless, Twila's speech was so touching & Chris was soooo lame but he couldnt lose with that jury

I still can't understand how that all women tribe broke down and didn't vote Chris out in the beginning, especially since his whole tribe was on the jury. However, when it comes to women, cliques are formed and once that happens it's hard to overcome.

Ellery
Jan 2nd, 2008, 11:07 PM
I still can't understand how that all women tribe broke down and didn't vote Chris out in the beginning, especially since his whole tribe was on the jury. However, when it comes to women, cliques are formed and once that happens it's hard to overcome.
I guess maybe they thought they could always take care of him later. :o Oops.

No Name Face
Jan 3rd, 2008, 12:50 AM
Vanuatu really set women back

Miranda
Jan 3rd, 2008, 01:25 AM
thanks a lot Elery :wavey:
Definitely not. For example, second place finisher usually gets 100 000$, while third place finisher may get something like 65 000$ (this was posted on a Survivor China forum). Also, I think that Tina won 3 000$ as the first bootee of Survivor All-Stars.

Miranda
Jan 3rd, 2008, 08:58 AM
only read this now, sorry that i am so late as we are only showing final 5 now, wow, how silly is this Denise then?:confused:

why she lied again at the last moment?? whats the purpose? i used to like her coz i am with sympathy with her, but US$17 an hour is not a bad job at all, i am a secretary, and has an ok salary in HK's standard, but i only earned US$16 per hour from 9am to 5:30 pm, or does she only works for a few hours? coz otherwise she actually earns a lot, and even for US$7 per hour, its not bad in our standard :awww::scratch:


DENISE REFUSES $50K

"Survivor" fourth-place finisher Denise Martin said she will turn down executive producer Mark Burnett's offer of $50,000 after being caught in a lie during the finale's live reunion show Sunday night.

Martin (oft-billed on "Survivor" as "The Lunch Lady") claimed she lost her Douglas, Mass. public school cafeteria job because her boss said she became too distracting to the students after her stint on the popular CBS reality show. Martin added she was now working as a janitor instead.

She told her tale on the CBS reunion show after the two-hour "Survivor" finale. Before getting voted out, Martin pleaded with rivals not to send her home, claiming she only earned $7 an hour. Another contestant cruelly bashed Martin during the episode for her economic status, saying she "sucks at life." After Martin then revealed her apparent demotion to cleaning toilets on the air, "Survivor" host Jeff Probst declared that Burnett will give Martin $50,000 - lending her story a happy ending.

But Douglas Schools Superintendent Nancy Lane disputed Martin's account the next day, saying she had requested the higher-paying janitorial work (at $17 an hour) and actually started her new position before leaving to film the show. In an interview on CBS's "The Early Show," Martin accepted her boss' version of events and apologized.

Late Tuesday, Martin released a statement through CBS: "I would like to apologize to Mark Burnett, Jeff Probst, CBS, Nancy Lane, the Town of Douglas and my friends and family. It was not my intention to mislead anyone. I take full responsibility for my actions and hope that you can find it in your hearts to forgive me. I do not feel comfortable about accepting the $50,000. I would instead ask that it be donated to the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation. Please accept my apology. I would also like to thank all the people who have supported me through this experience."

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/james-hibberd/

Calvin M.
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:26 AM
I thought Yul was overrated too, because he had Becky to help him along and was never really in danger of losing. Earl had to work to be liked by everyone the entire game and still vote them off (he was helped by Dreamz going back and forth I think). I dont think he was the best Survivor ever, but better than Yul by abit.

I disagree about Yul. They (Jonathan, Candice, Adam, Parvati, Nate) had a chance to weaken Yul then take him down but they weren't thinking. Jonathan, who sold them out, knew Yul had the idol so his bloc could've targetted Ozzie, Sundra or Becky and chipped away at Yul's control.

Calvin M.
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:29 AM
Todd, IMO is one the worst winners despite being one of my favorites. Aras too. Todd's strategy should have bitten him in the ass plenty of times.

I agree but that isn't Todd's fault and it's precisely the reason that IMO "China" was lame. Peih-Gee was the only with a clue but Denise wouldn't listen and Courtney doesn't know savvy.

Calvin M.
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:33 AM
I still can't understand how that all women tribe broke down and didn't vote Chris out in the beginning, especially since his whole tribe was on the jury. However, when it comes to women, cliques are formed and once that happens it's hard to overcome.

And most glaring Denise4925 is that the all-female dominant alliance had no problems voting out Rory, Sarge and Chad in succession. All credit to Chris for getting into their heads and getting them to turn on Amie when he should've been the 4th man in a row to be voted out post-merge.

Calvin M.
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:34 AM
I guess maybe they thought they could always take care of him later. :o Oops.

One of the biggest mistakes made every season: not voting someone dangerous out when you get a chance. It's so frustrating to watch!

Calvin M.
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:37 AM
Vanuatu really set women back

I don't know about that but it was quite telling how it took a man to break them up. Eliza and Julie, in particular, seemed to eager to get his approval and I don't know why.