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Meesh
Oct 20th, 2007, 10:08 PM
Uggh, I hated that move only because I prefer James to stay longer. Like others have said "great move, bad execution" The giggling BS really was stupid on their part.
I had to laugh at John Robert making rice and all... too little too late dude!

Scotso
Oct 21st, 2007, 11:39 PM
This episode made me so mad. I thought the twist was cool at first, and I really liked the new tribe with PG, Aaron, James et.al. At first, I thought PG and Jaime's plan was really interesting...until they actually put it into motion. While I respect their guts, I absolutely despise their actions and attitude. They were completely classless (Jaime moreso) afterwards and extremely cocky about pulling their big plan off.

I agree with you, even if it was a good move... the childish way they behaved about it made me want to vomit. I lost all respect for them. If you have to do something shady to win, fine, but don't sit there and friggin' giggle about it. :rolleyes:

While Im ranting, I wish Erik had some sort of balls, because right now he's just as much of a woman as PG and Jaime. He should have gone with James and Aaron and voted off one of those idiots, ensuring that the girl left over had no power to "throw" anything and that their tribe could try and win a challenge before the merge.

This, though, is BS. Even if he didn't like what they were doing or didn't agree with it, it would have been absolutely idiotic for him to side with James and Aaron. It would just insure he wouldn't win the game.

And don't worry, I'm sure Survivor will make the next competition one that they can't throw. They like dictating how the game goes and don't appreciate it when the contestants try to do it on their own.

I dont like the guy, but he's trying to be helpful

:tape:

iPatty
Oct 21st, 2007, 11:56 PM
cbs will rig yet another "reality" show and the girls' plan will fail. :sad:

it was a great idea, but jamie really messed up when she revealed it at tribal council. you could even see on pg's face that she was just like, "what are you doing, jamie?"

Blu€
Oct 22nd, 2007, 12:09 AM
I hate Jamie :boxing: and PG really disappointed me! Erik :ras: :timebomb:

PG should have allied with Aaron & James and kicked off the teenage "couple"

Ryan
Oct 22nd, 2007, 02:12 AM
I agree with you, even if it was a good move... the childish way they behaved about it made me want to vomit. I lost all respect for them. If you have to do something shady to win, fine, but don't sit there and friggin' giggle about it. :rolleyes:



This, though, is BS. Even if he didn't like what they were doing or didn't agree with it, it would have been absolutely idiotic for him to side with James and Aaron. It would just insure he wouldn't win the game.

And don't worry, I'm sure Survivor will make the next competition one that they can't throw. They like dictating how the game goes and don't appreciate it when the contestants try to do it on their own.



:tape:


yeah I admit I was just mad at erik because I didnt want their plan to go forward. It wouldn't have made sense to trust two strong, intelligent guys and kick off one of your alliance members just because they threw a challenge.

Im not sure what kind of challenge it will be, but I hope it is one that makes it near impossible to throw.

FLL
Oct 22nd, 2007, 02:25 AM
I hate Jamie :boxing: and PG really disappointed me! Erik :ras: :timebomb:

PG should have allied with Aaron & James and kicked off the teenage "couple"

:help: How could she benefit allying herself with the two outsiders?!?! Some people don't think before they write :lol:

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2007, 04:06 PM
First of all, before I read what anyone else has to say, I found what Peegee and the blond chick did to be the dumbest move ever. There is no guarantee of a merge at any point in the game and to take your tribe down from 5 to 4 when the other tribe has 7 is just retarded to me. Why lose immunity to make your tribe weaker and give the ones who were shipped to the other side a chance to bond further with the other tribe? I don't get it, but maybe as I read the comments I will be enlightened. :shrug:

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2007, 04:10 PM
I never said she did, what's your point?

Never said you said she did. I just made a comment in relation to your comment about Becky not really doing anything but attaching herself to Yuri's backside to make it to final three. It would have to have been one of them, either Becky or Sundra. Obviously Becky did more than Sundra. She attached herself to Yuri. :shrug: I guess that's my point.

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2007, 04:11 PM
I think that Denise was suggesting that Sundra would not have deserved to be in the top 3(not more than Becky, anyway), which she wasn't.

:yeah:

griffin
Oct 23rd, 2007, 04:14 PM
to take your tribe down from 5 to 4 when the other tribe has 7 is just retarded to me.

Right, but PG and Dipshit don't see "their tribe" and "the other tribe" the same way you do. To them, Frosty and Sherea are still "their tribe" - Aaron and James are "the other tribe" So from their perspective this isn't taking "their tribe" from 5 to 4, it's taking "the other tribe" from 7 to 6.

Had they won immunity, there's a good chance Sherea'd have gotten booted.

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2007, 04:30 PM
Yes it could still backfire but the benefits outweight the drawbacks. Obviously there is still a lot of game to play but the key thing here is that P.G. realized that going this route will improve their chances. If history is any indicator, its very tough to be Sole Survivor if you go in as the minority in the merger.


This is the only thing I don't really agree with. If I recall correctly, at least three winners came from the minority in the merge, including Earl, Vespia and the guy who was the sole guy from the all male tribe to merge with and outlast the female tribe. I can't think of his name. It's difficult, but there is the possibility of the the majority turning on itself. However, I'm sure that's not a chance anyone wants to take.

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2007, 04:46 PM
That's one (biased) way to look at it. Dani and Yul were clearly in the minority tribes (and alliances) of four at the time of the merge. Tina and Sandra were tied at the merge and cannot be said to have been in the "majority."

The argument doesn't hold water. The winner frequently comes from the minority tribe because the members of the majority start eating one another then pick the winner from the minority because that person never had to violate their trust.

SF

This is how I've seen it unfold it seems in the majority of the seasons.

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2007, 04:52 PM
Right, but PG and Dipshit don't see "their tribe" and "the other tribe" the same way you do. To them, Frosty and Sherea are still "their tribe" - Aaron and James are "the other tribe" So from their perspective this isn't taking "their tribe" from 5 to 4, it's taking "the other tribe" from 7 to 6.

Had they won immunity, there's a good chance Sherea'd have gotten booted.

Oh I understood her rationale for doing what she did. It still seems odd that they would reduce their chances of staying out of TC b/c, if they keep losing immunity and continue to go to TC, it could dwindle down to just two of them before the merge. It happened with Stephame and Hillbilly boy. :shrug: That's all I'm saying.

Ryan
Oct 23rd, 2007, 04:58 PM
I dont think you have an advantage being in the majority - in theory it would be perfect, but we KNOW that when a majority has a lead of 6-4, 6-3 after merging they always seem to turn on themselves and eliminate the stronger and annoying players. So the people from the minority slip through, new alliances are formed and hurrah! Your original majority is gone.

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2007, 05:18 PM
I dont think you have an advantage being in the majority - in theory it would be perfect, but we KNOW that when a majority has a lead of 6-4, 6-3 after merging they always seem to turn on themselves and eliminate the stronger and annoying players. So the people from the minority slip through, new alliances are formed and hurrah! Your original majority is gone.

I totally agree.

Ellery
Oct 23rd, 2007, 05:29 PM
Oh I understood her rationale for doing what she did. It still seems odd that they would reduce their chances of staying out of TC b/c, if they keep losing immunity and continue to go to TC, it could dwindle down to just two of them before the merge. It happened with Stephame and Hillbilly boy. :shrug: That's all I'm saying.

Even if it does dwindle to 2 of them at the merge (so assuming the merge occurs at 9), the original Zhan Hu would be at 4 vs 5. That's still better than if they won the next two challenges, in which case Fei Long would (possibly and probably) get rid of Sherea and Frosti, in which the original Zhan Hu would be at 3 vs 6. And 10 times out of 14, the merge has occurred at 10. And even if the merge doesn't occur then, Zhan Hu would have gotten rid of two of the most dangerous and physical players from the opposite tribe, meanwhile saving allies Frosti and Sherea from potential elimination. Even though the plan may completely backfire, I really think this was their best possible strategy.

drake3781
Oct 23rd, 2007, 06:05 PM
Hard as it was to watch, I agree with the strategy that ZH employed.

I don't think Jeff's place is to probe that kind of stuff, and it annoys me when his questions alter the game.

Here is the teaser for this week's show:
(TV Guide) The castaways eat exotic Chinese food; one person finds a hidden immunity idol; and one player wants to go to tribal council, even though he believes he will be voted out.
(CBS website) The castaways dine on unusual Chinese delicacies, ranging from a chicken heart to a “thousand-year-old egg.” A castaway discovers the Hidden Immunity Idol, but the secret is blown when an unwelcome tribe member sees it in their possession. And later, one castaway wants to go to Tribal Council, even though he knows he won’t have the votes to survive.

drake3781
Oct 23rd, 2007, 06:06 PM
Hard as it was to watch, I agree with the strategy that ZH employed.

I don't think Jeff's place is to probe that kind of stuff, and it annoys me when his questions alter the game.

Here is the teaser for this week's show:
(TV Guide) The castaways eat exotic Chinese food; one person finds a hidden immunity idol; and one player wants to go to tribal council, even though he believes he will be voted out.
(CBS website) The castaways dine on unusual Chinese delicacies, ranging from a chicken heart to a “thousand-year-old egg.” A castaway discovers the Hidden Immunity Idol, but the secret is blown when an unwelcome tribe member sees it in their possession. And later, one castaway wants to go to Tribal Council, even though he knows he won’t have the votes to survive.

Ellery
Oct 23rd, 2007, 06:10 PM
I guess the castaway who wants to go to Tribal council, but who doesn´t have the votes to survive should be James, who is clearly fed up with the Peih-Gee/Jaime/Erik trio.

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2007, 06:41 PM
Even if it does dwindle to 2 of them at the merge (so assuming the merge occurs at 9), the original Zhan Hu would be at 4 vs 5. That's still better than if they won the next two challenges, in which case Fei Long would (possibly and probably) get rid of Sherea and Frosti, in which the original Zhan Hu would be at 3 vs 6. And 10 times out of 14, the merge has occurred at 10. And even if the merge doesn't occur then, Zhan Hu would have gotten rid of two of the most dangerous and physical players from the opposite tribe, meanwhile saving allies Frosti and Sherea from potential elimination. Even though the plan may completely backfire, I really think this was their best possible strategy.

Maybe there's a bright spot. If they continue to go to TC, which I foresee after they get rid of James on the next IC they throw, then Pheegee will be the next to go. And, it was all her idea. :lol:

sfselesfan
Oct 23rd, 2007, 11:44 PM
This is the only thing I don't really agree with. If I recall correctly, at least three winners came from the minority in the merge, including Earl, Vespia and the guy who was the sole guy from the all male tribe to merge with and outlast the female tribe. I can't think of his name. It's difficult, but there is the possibility of the the majority turning on itself. However, I'm sure that's not a chance anyone wants to take.

More come from the minority than do the majority if you look at the statistics.

SF

No Name Face
Oct 23rd, 2007, 11:49 PM
i don't like jeff prob(e)st. he's gotten more snide as the seasons have progressed.

his questions DO affect the flow of the game and that's just counterproductive.

Scotso
Oct 24th, 2007, 12:13 AM
He's really in love with himself, that's for sure.

No Name Face
Oct 24th, 2007, 12:34 AM
He's really in love with himself, that's for sure.

that too.
i'm waiting for someone to give a snarky comment back to him. :lol:

Ellery
Oct 24th, 2007, 01:46 AM
that too.
i'm waiting for someone to give a snarky comment back to him. :lol:

In Survivor Cook Islands, in an IC (or was it a reward challenge?), Jeffy said something about Raro losing focus, and Jonathan snarked back "Oh please Jeff". Jeffy was like "Jonathan getting frustrated by me." :haha: Loved Jonathan. :)

Ryan
Oct 24th, 2007, 02:07 AM
I fuckin love Jeff. Probst is THE host for reality shows, and he has every right to ask questions that "alter" the course of the game. He did not say - I looked at the footage, why did you decide to throw the challenge? He let Jaime spill the beans herself. He is snarky - with damn good reason! He knows how the game is played and sits around idiots every season who've never been camping!!! I want Probst to pick up a torch and club some of the retards this show has seen.

Martian KC
Oct 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM
that too.
i'm waiting for someone to give a snarky comment back to him. :lol:

Judd anyone?:lol:

Anyways, I agree with most about PG and Jamie executing a great gameplan but being disappointed at how they handled themselves. I hate people throwing away challenges (*cough* Ozzy *cough* Ethan), but in this situation it was only to better themselves come the merge. Hopefully, James is the one that finds the HII.

Scotso
Oct 24th, 2007, 06:49 PM
Don't worry, I'm sure good old Jeffy will come to their camp and show James where it is.

Denise4925
Oct 24th, 2007, 08:00 PM
I fuckin love Jeff. Probst is THE host for reality shows, and he has every right to ask questions that "alter" the course of the game. He did not say - I looked at the footage, why did you decide to throw the challenge? He let Jaime spill the beans herself. He is snarky - with damn good reason! He knows how the game is played and sits around idiots every season who've never been camping!!! I want Probst to pick up a torch and club some of the retards this show has seen.

I love Jeff too. He makes the show interesting. I love it when he calls people out on their delusions. I hate people who throw challenges and I loved the fact that he busted Jaime on throwing the disc behind the thing. :lol: At TC, she couldn't do anything else but admit to throwing the challenge.

Ellery
Oct 24th, 2007, 08:51 PM
I hated the fact that Jeff got all pissy about Jaime and Peih-Gee throwing the challenge. If you hate the twist, please get mad at Mark Burnett or the producers or whatever. It's their fault there was a twist. Peih-Gee and Jaime just took advantage of it, and outplayed their opponents for that episode, which is what survivors are supposed to do. So I find the sight of Jeff on his moral high horse pretty sad. And it's pretty clear that he was just trying to tell his favorite James what was going on, because the poor guy (and I love James) was so dense that he couldn't figure out that Jaime/Peih-Gee had thrown the challenge.

Denise4925
Oct 24th, 2007, 09:10 PM
I hated the fact that Jeff got all pissy about Jaime and Peih-Gee throwing the challenge. If you hate the twist, please get mad at Mark Burnett or the producers or whatever. It's their fault there was a twist. Peih-Gee and Jaime just took advantage of it, and outplayed their opponents for that episode, which is what survivors are supposed to do. So I find the sight of Jeff on his moral high horse pretty sad. And it's pretty clear that he was just trying to tell his favorite James what was going on, because the poor guy (and I love James) was so dense that he couldn't figure out that Jaime/Peih-Gee had thrown the challenge.

Yeah, that was pretty sad. But, maybe he just has high morals and expects people to be like him. :shrug:

Ellery
Oct 24th, 2007, 09:36 PM
Yeah, that was pretty sad. But, maybe he just has high morals and expects people to be like him. :shrug:

James has an awesome work ethic and his candor is so refreshing. :worship: Unfortunately, he seems to have no social game whatsoever :shrug: He does not seem to have any alliances, and he does not seem to want any. The only part of the show which he seems to get is competitions. MUST WIN competitions. I sometimes wonder why he is on the show.

Denise4925
Oct 24th, 2007, 09:39 PM
James has an awesome work ethic and his candor is so refreshing. :worship: Unfortunately, he seems to have no social game whatsoever :shrug: He does not seem to have any alliances, and he does not seem to want any. The only part of the show which he seems to get is competitions. MUST WIN competitions. I sometimes wonder why he is on the show.

:lol: Same here. He won't last long. If he does, it will be a miracle.

Wannabeknowitall
Oct 24th, 2007, 09:52 PM
i don't like jeff prob(e)st. he's gotten more snide as the seasons have progressed.

his questions DO affect the flow of the game and that's just counterproductive.

If you had to be somewhere you really didn't want to be for two and a half months out of a year, dealing with idiots, what would you do?
I remember the episode a few seasons ago where it took 3 hours for one girl to build a fire and burn a rope over the fire.

They played Survivor for 35 days and it took 2 and a half hours to get a nice fire going and they were given matches 2 hours into it.
I think anyone who is given matches, can start a good fire in 30 minutes. :lol:

After that episode, Jeff was like fuck it.
The comments did get worse are that but can you really blame him?

Blu€
Oct 25th, 2007, 12:14 AM
:help: How could she benefit allying herself with the two outsiders?!?! Some people don't think before they write :lol:

Fortunately my brain still works, thanks. Imo breaking a tight alliance between two members isnt stupid, especially when physically they dont look that strong, people tend to forget about them & they easily could get far. In plus having James & Aaron would have probably guaranteed her the merge and why would they vote her off when she's hardly a threat? I'm pretty sure that Todd & company would rather get rid of stronger competition even from their former tribe :dance:

drake3781
Oct 25th, 2007, 03:46 AM
Hidden immunity idol is found this week.
Can somebody remind me of which Survivors - who still remain - have had a clue for it?
Doesn't mean it won't be somebody new who gets the clue this time (and I actually think it is somebody new based on the promos), but I just want to remember who has seen a clue.
I know Leslie had, but she is gone.
I think Jaime has too.
Anyone else?

juki
Oct 25th, 2007, 04:06 AM
Leslie told Todd about the idol also, I remember. Can't think of anyone else that knows. Maybe Amanda :shrug:

I think if anyone finds the immunity idol it would be Todd.

drake3781
Oct 25th, 2007, 05:33 AM
Leslie told Todd about the idol also, I remember. Can't think of anyone else that knows. Maybe Amanda :shrug:

I think if anyone finds the immunity idol it would be Todd.

So it should be Todd and the ZH person who switches tribes that find the II and make this deal. Or if Todd switches tribes (much smaller chance), it could be anyone in ZH.

Ryan
Oct 25th, 2007, 12:36 PM
Todd had a clue from Leslie and a clue from Dave, so he has all three of them - and I remember in the preview it shows him and Amanda poking around for it in the right area - im betting they get it.

sfselesfan
Oct 25th, 2007, 02:17 PM
SPOILERISH (not really, mainly speculation based on preview).







The preview on Kid Nation showed Todd and James talking...looks like PG and Jamie could be in trouble. I bet James gets kidnapped and trades clues with Todd.

SF

drake3781
Oct 25th, 2007, 06:04 PM
SPOILERISH (not really, mainly speculation based on preview).







The preview on Kid Nation showed Todd and James talking...looks like PG and Jamie could be in trouble. I bet James gets kidnapped and trades clues with Todd.

SF

This is what I think too, just didn't want to say it because of my spoiler history.

(Again... spoilerish here... but purely speculation)....

I don't think it necessarily means PG/Jaime are in trouble (yet). Here is what probably happens. James get HII. He is the one who wants his team to go to TC (based on promo) even though he could be in trouble. But ZH does NOT go to TC. Because promo typically misguides. Frosti and Sherea are in trouble, and we wait and see who FL chooses between the two of them.

Zombielicious
Oct 26th, 2007, 12:58 AM
Ugh. I'm pissed that Sharea is gone! I seriously can't stand Jean Robert... and now I have a feeling that Courtney could be going home... She was with Sharea on all that she said and she kinda dissed Todd, which was her biggest ally.

And from the previews, it looks like Todd is going to be in trouble. But at least the merger is here, it looks.

:(

canuckfan
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:06 AM
Strangest episode in years. So much twist and turns.

Courtney really shot herself in the foot today. She pretty much had her place in the top 4 secured but not anymore.

I'm glad Sherea's gone. She was entertaining but she had no game whatsoever.

Ellery
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:17 AM
Pretty awesome episode. Poor Denise. :sad: She really sort of blew it, though her food was probably the grossest thing of all. Good to see Jaime/Peih-Gee realize that something was up with Frosti and Sherea and adjust their plans in consequence. James was a class act with the food challenge. As for Sherea, well, her final words sounded quite delusional. "They booted me out because I am strong and they're weak and they are jealous and afraid." :lol: I am pretty sure that isn't the case.

Martian KC
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:17 AM
I guess James thinks he doesn't need another one.:weirdo:

Ellery
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:18 AM
I guess James thinks he doesn't need another one.:weirdo:

Yeah, that's sort of :help: Though coming from James, that sort of strategizing (or rather, lack of) doesn't really surprise me.

BoucharDRules
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:26 AM
Go Amanda!! :worship:

drake3781
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:27 AM
Now that I'm done with spoiling for the day... does anyone else find Denise strangely beautiful at times?

canuckfan
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:29 AM
Well after thinking about it a bit, James probably has the other one because Erik says «it looks idolish». If it was the idol he would know it because there's something written behind it. So James probably took the idol. What Erik has is the similar thing on the other side of the plank.

Ryan
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:30 AM
Did you guys see what Erik said though? "This kind of looks like it could be an II". The one Todd and Amanda found said "Congratulations / You have found the hidden Immunity Idol" - what if James takes his, they see him do it, and take the other half thinking it's also an II? I'll kill myself laughing.


Best episode in a long, long time - great plan from Todd and them, even though it didn't work. Why is Sherea such a bitch? No one disliked her really and she acted like a complete tool at Tribal. Same for Courtney. I've never liked skeletor but tonight just reaffirmed why - she's a spoiled brat who's going to sulk because she didn't get her way. Merge next week, I think they are playing up the problem with Todd's alliance - it's him, Amanda, James, Denise, Frosti (I cant see him going back), JR and Courtney against the other three, as long as things dont go really bad. That being said, we already discussed how being in the majority doesn't mean a big advantage. I think PG or Jaime or Erik will go first, then the other two will hang around probably until F6 or F5 before they go. IMO its looking good for Todd, Amanda, James, Frosti and Denise but it could all go to shit next week.

Ryan
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:30 AM
Did you guys see what Erik said though? "This kind of looks like it could be an II". The one Todd and Amanda found said "Congratulations / You have found the hidden Immunity Idol" - what if James takes his, they see him do it, and take the other half thinking it's also an II? I'll kill myself laughing.


Best episode in a long, long time - great plan from Todd and them, even though it didn't work. Why is Sherea such a bitch? No one disliked her really and she acted like a complete tool at Tribal. Same for Courtney. I've never liked skeletor but tonight just reaffirmed why - she's a spoiled brat who's going to sulk because she didn't get her way. Merge next week, I think they are playing up the problem with Todd's alliance - it's him, Amanda, James, Denise, Frosti (I cant see him going back), JR and Courtney against the other three, as long as things dont go really bad. That being said, we already discussed how being in the majority doesn't mean a big advantage. I think PG or Jaime or Erik will go first, then the other two will hang around probably until F6 or F5 before they go. IMO its looking good for Todd, Amanda, James, Frosti and Denise but it could all go to shit next week.

Ellery
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:33 AM
Basically, if Sherea had actually responded to Peih-Gee/Jaime telling her that they threw the challenge for them and had her their backs, Peih-Gee/Jaime/Erik would probably have thrown the challenge again and Sherea would have been safe. The irony.

Williamsser
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:44 AM
Coby from Survivor Palau confirms that Cirie was not asked for next season's All Stars 2. He confirmed that Yau Man, Eliza, James the gravedigger, and probably Parvati and Ozzy are on All Stars 2. It's also a half All Stars, and half new castaways.

http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/2905/t/Next-Season-is-ASS-2-.html?page=90

Tennisace
Oct 26th, 2007, 02:18 AM
I wouldn't necessarily say that James is a class act. Especially after being on his high horse last TC about I'm not here to throw challenges, he was attempting to throw this week's challenge himself. While I understand that "desperate times call for desperate measures," if he was a true class act the thought would have never crossed his mind. But I do give him some credit for ending his horrible acting job during the immunity challenge. I mean his acting job was almost as bad as Jamie/PG's from last week, especially with the ease in which put the food down in the end.

The obvious flaw to Todd's plan was PG/Jamie/Erik wanted to win. I'm kind of curious to know whether Jamie told Erik/PG that there is a hidden immunity idol/clues. In addition, I wonder if James told Todd everything about the throwing of last week's competition.

Despite all Todd's planning, he made a mistake of acting too fast. Couldn't he have waited until people were asleep/it was dark? I forget what season it was but wasn't it hilarious when that one contestant found/dug up the hidden idol while a couple tribemates were sleeping nearby?

Tennisace
Oct 26th, 2007, 02:28 AM
What do we think of Todd's proposed plan that would give James the possesion of two immunity idols? Does Todd think James' good nature would give him the other idol? I can't remember if part of the deal was to give Todd the other one. Going into the merge, James would have two weeks worth of a free pass guarenteeing him a spot in the top 8, not couting any times he would win individual immunity. Although given James' lack skill at game play, Todd and Co. could probably persuade him that they're voting for ZH and then blindside him completely without him even using the idol.

Tennisace
Oct 26th, 2007, 02:32 AM
Coby from Survivor Palau confirms that Cirie was not asked for next season's All Stars 2. He confirmed that Yau Man, Eliza, James the gravedigger, and probably Parvati and Ozzy are on All Stars 2. It's also a half All Stars, and half new castaways.

http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/2905/t/Next-Season-is-ASS-2-.html?page=90

While James is great eye candy, I don't really want to see him again giving his lack of game play. I prefer the shrewd types. But then again James could really blindside people if he learns how to play between this season and All-Star 2.

drake3781
Oct 26th, 2007, 02:56 AM
I wouldn't necessarily say that James is a class act. Especially after being on his high horse last TC about I'm not here to throw challenges, he was attempting to throw this week's challenge himself. While I understand that "desperate times call for desperate measures," if he was a true class act the thought would have never crossed his mind. But I do give him some credit for ending his horrible acting job during the immunity challenge. I mean his acting job was almost as bad as Jamie/PG's from last week, especially with the ease in which put the food down in the end.

I really don't think that there is anything wrong with throwing challenges, if it is smart gameplay. Part of Survivor is "Outwit", it is not simply a game of strength and always winning.

So that being said, there is nothing really "classless" about James trying to throw the challenge. James must never have watched the show, or given alternate strategies any thought, and he had his eyes opened last TC. So it makes sense that he is learning and adapting.

Also, Aaron is gone now, so James is really on the front line in ZH. AND because Aaron is gone now, it makes sense for the old FL (including James) to put the numbers in their favor as much as possible.

The obvious flaw to Todd's plan was PG/Jamie/Erik wanted to win. I'm kind of curious to know whether Jamie told Erik/PG that there is a hidden immunity idol/clues. In addition, I wonder if James told Todd everything about the throwing of last week's competition.

Yeah, the problem with planning to throw a challenge is that not every challenge is "throwable". Because of that, if throwing the challenge is Plan A, there HAS TO be a Plan B. FL scrambled after the fact with Plan B, but had Todd been smarter, he would have worked Plan B out with James at the same time as Plan A: James gets ZH's HII and returns FL's HII to Todd at the next possible opportunity - even out in the open at a challenge if necessary.

Despite all Todd's planning, he made a mistake of acting too fast. Couldn't he have waited until people were asleep/it was dark? I forget what season it was but wasn't it hilarious when that one contestant found/dug up the hidden idol while a couple tribemates were sleeping nearby?

That was Yauman. :p
Todd must have had time to think about it, since he started developing his plan at least as early as during the tea/bath reward. But yeah, it was strangely executed... not sure why he felt he had to tell Amanda... that didn't seem to help him, and somehow Frosti got wind of it, then he told just about everyone on the way to the IC. My thought was that Todd must be feeling very safe, and/or not thinking a few moves ahead.

Tennisace
Oct 26th, 2007, 03:57 AM
I wasn't saying that James was classless. I said I would not call him or classify him a class act. I'm all for doing whatever it takes to win with regard to Survivor. I was commenting on someone else's post who called him a class act. To me a class act wouldn't say one thing (his outrage at Jamie/PG for throwing and not playing the game...in the literal sense) and then try and throw a challenge after he denounced such an action.

If James was using his brain a little more, he would have realized that it would be better for ZH to win so that he doesn't even have to use the HI until he absolutely needs it. Why throw the challenge and use it up before you even have to? The truth was someone on the old ZH tribe was going to go home regardless of which tribe won immunity tonight.

sfselesfan
Oct 26th, 2007, 04:01 AM
I called it...the brilliant PG plan was far from brilliant.

SF

drake3781
Oct 26th, 2007, 04:13 AM
I wasn't saying that James was classless. I said I would not call him or classify him a class act. I'm all for doing whatever it takes to win with regard to Survivor. I was commenting on someone else's post who called him a class act. To me a class act wouldn't say one thing (his outrage at Jamie/PG for throwing and not playing the game...in the literal sense) and then try and throw a challenge after he denounced such an action.

If James was using his brain a little more, he would have realized that it would be better for ZH to win so that he doesn't even have to use the HI until he absolutely needs it. Why throw the challenge and use it up before you even have to? The truth was someone on the old ZH tribe was going to go home regardless of which tribe won immunity tonight.

I agree with you on the "class" issue... neither a class act nor not one. Not really in agreement on the throwing the challenges issue... I think it can be good strategy (whether it proves to work in this season or not, remains to be seen, but even if not, that doesn't mean it is always bad strategy).

KoOlMaNsEaN
Oct 26th, 2007, 04:46 AM
So what are the numbers going into the merge

Tennisace
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:11 AM
So what are the numbers going into the merge

6 original Fei Long, 4 original Zhan Hu.

No Name Face
Oct 26th, 2007, 11:57 AM
such a good episode!

sherea deserved to go...she was good in challenges but didn't really play the game

now rooting for todd, james, PG, and denise...but i really like everyone (what is wrong with me?)

Zombielicious
Oct 26th, 2007, 01:51 PM
I was so happy Sharea told off Jean Robert though. :)

Ryan
Oct 26th, 2007, 02:30 PM
Yeah I think Todd should have had a Plan B set up, but I think they did well despite not having one. I think they need to reign JR in and make him feel part of the group, otherwise he'll jumo over to ZH.

Scotso
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:48 PM
I'm starting to like Todd. I thought he looked really odd at first, but with the facial hair now he's starting to get somewhat cute. :p

I don't want Erik to suffer too much for being stuck with the completely moronic tribe. I hope Jaime leaves soon so he'll get his head in the game. I like Frosti, too. He seems to have forced his way into Todd's alliance. :D

Scotso
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:52 PM
I called it...the brilliant PG plan was far from brilliant.

SF

:lol: You think you're such hot shit. You said the plan would backfire badly. I don't see how getting rid of Aaron has hurt them.

sfselesfan
Oct 26th, 2007, 06:10 PM
^^ Okay smartass.

Now they're a tribe of three, because they made an enemy of James, alienated and discarded Aaron, and lost Frosti. The simple fact that they felt they had to compete for immunity is a sign that the plan went up in smoke. James had felt alienated on his original tribe, now he's cemented his place with them. The other tribe knows they were trying to keep the original ZH together...thus the reason Sherea went buh-bye. It's not uncommon for players to emerge from the minority at the merge, fly under the radar, break no alliances, and win in the end because they didn't piss anyone off. Now all three of them are targets as "assholes" and cannot take that route. Further, they'll all be seen as schemers and will be picked off when convenient.

SF

KoOlMaNsEaN
Oct 26th, 2007, 10:35 PM
So everything is going well for Todd :) Loved when Courtney and Sharea were stabbing at JR but Courtney was taking a chance when Sharea left that there would be a merge(we know there will be) she would have been in trouble.

GIVE ME THE PEOPLE WITH THE NUMBERS of the originals.

Has Denise said or done anything of real importance so far? I've hardly noticed her

No Name Face
Oct 26th, 2007, 10:46 PM
Has Denise said or done anything of real importance so far? I've hardly noticed her

I don't know...I think she'll make top 5. She doesn't piss anyone off or seem like a huge target.

I don't get why Sherea went off on JR...it just seemed weird considering she was only there for a couple of days...she got all ghetto towards the end, it was embarrassing to watch :o

drake3781
Oct 26th, 2007, 11:08 PM
I don't know...I think she'll make top 5. She doesn't piss anyone off or seem like a huge target.

I don't get why Sherea went off on JR...it just seemed weird considering she was only there for a couple of days...she got all ghetto towards the end, it was embarrassing to watch :o

I hope Denise does really well; maybe be one of those players that we start "getting to know" late in the game.

Yes the Sherea rant struck me as really out of context they way she launched into it at TC needlessly. And I've seen her even more ghetto earlier in the season. I don't have kids... are young teachers like that now? :shrug:

I'm going to try to find out if this is a real merge next episode, or some type of switch-up.

IceHock
Oct 26th, 2007, 11:56 PM
well i think jamie and erik are fine cause they found the hidden immunity idol

Tennisace
Oct 27th, 2007, 12:14 AM
^^ Okay smartass.

Now they're a tribe of three, because they made an enemy of James, alienated and discarded Aaron, and lost Frosti. The simple fact that they felt they had to compete for immunity is a sign that the plan went up in smoke. James had felt alienated on his original tribe, now he's cemented his place with them. The other tribe knows they were trying to keep the original ZH together...thus the reason Sherea went buh-bye. It's not uncommon for players to emerge from the minority at the merge, fly under the radar, break no alliances, and win in the end because they didn't piss anyone off. Now all three of them are targets as "assholes" and cannot take that route. Further, they'll all be seen as schemers and will be picked off when convenient.

SF

The game is all about taking chances and luck. There's no such thing as a full proof plan. Sherea was voted off because of numbers (infering merge) not necessarily that she was in cahoots with ZH. One of the big things going against ZH merge or no merge, move or no move, is that in FL there is a strong group (I'm cautious to use alliance) of Courtney, Todd, Amanda, Denise. The four of them were lucky that none of them were switched to FL. Obviously ZH had more faith in Sherea in terms of allegiance but I guess not, she must have been saving herself for the challenges, haha. She and James would have been a funny alliance, "We don't strategize we just like the challenges."

I'm not going to call the move a complete bomb, yet. I still stand by the validation if PG places 7th or higher (11-12th place being pre-merge, and 8-10th place being picked off right away in the merge) then it was a smart move.

drake3781
Oct 27th, 2007, 12:18 AM
well i think jamie and erik are fine cause they found the hidden immunity idol

No! I don't think they do. Misleading preview. (I have to watch it again, and also read the promos, but that's what I thought when I saw it.)

Blu€
Oct 27th, 2007, 01:38 AM
Yes!!!!!! Shereaaaaa gone! what a bitccccccccch! JR might be gross & whatever but girl uuuuuuu are somethin else (by Marjorie Dawes:lol: ). It's funny how Todd's great plan kept falling to pieces.....shame I'd pay to say Jamie & co face .
Just hope they dont find the HI, James cant be that stupid right? :help:

Denise4925
Oct 27th, 2007, 02:41 AM
I really don't think that there is anything wrong with throwing challenges, if it is smart gameplay. Part of Survivor is "Outwit", it is not simply a game of strength and always winning.

So that being said, there is nothing really "classless" about James trying to throw the challenge. James must never have watched the show, or given alternate strategies any thought, and he had his eyes opened last TC. So it makes sense that he is learning and adapting.

Also, Aaron is gone now, so James is really on the front line in ZH. AND because Aaron is gone now, it makes sense for the old FL (including James) to put the numbers in their favor as much as possible.



Yeah, the problem with planning to throw a challenge is that not every challenge is "throwable". Because of that, if throwing the challenge is Plan A, there HAS TO be a Plan B. FL scrambled after the fact with Plan B, but had Todd been smarter, he would have worked Plan B out with James at the same time as Plan A: James gets ZH's HII and returns FL's HII to Todd at the next possible opportunity - even out in the open at a challenge if necessary.



That was Yauman. :p
Todd must have had time to think about it, since he started developing his plan at least as early as during the tea/bath reward. But yeah, it was strangely executed... not sure why he felt he had to tell Amanda... that didn't seem to help him, and somehow Frosti got wind of it, then he told just about everyone on the way to the IC. My thought was that Todd must be feeling very safe, and/or not thinking a few moves ahead.

Great analysis!

G1Player2
Oct 27th, 2007, 10:31 PM
I don't know...I think she'll make top 5. She doesn't piss anyone off or seem like a huge target.

I don't get why Sherea went off on JR...it just seemed weird considering she was only there for a couple of days...she got all ghetto towards the end, it was embarrassing to watch :o

How was she ghetto? Because she spoke her mind? :shrug:

G1Player2
Oct 27th, 2007, 10:33 PM
I hope Denise does really well; maybe be one of those players that we start "getting to know" late in the game.

Yes the Sherea rant struck me as really out of context they way she launched into it at TC needlessly. And I've seen her even more ghetto earlier in the season. I don't have kids... are young teachers like that now? :shrug:

I'm going to try to find out if this is a real merge next episode, or some type of switch-up.

Umm, please dont generalize...Just because she was passionate and spoke her mind doesn't make her ghetto.

Martian KC
Oct 28th, 2007, 02:09 PM
Has Denise said or done anything of real importance so far?

That's funny, our Denise hasn't either.:eek:

No Name Face
Oct 28th, 2007, 03:12 PM
How was she ghetto? Because she spoke her mind? :shrug:

she did get ghetto, with the unnecessary attitude and the head movements. jr didn't even do anything to her (if he did, it would have been televised) so she just looked kinda stupid.

drake3781
Oct 28th, 2007, 07:46 PM
Umm, please dont generalize...Just because she was passionate and spoke her mind doesn't make her ghetto.

Generalize? :confused: There is a ghetto way to be passionate and speak your mind and a non-ghetto way. :shrug:

Or do you object to the use of the term "ghetto" overall, describing behavior? I'll assume, if so, that you object to it used by anyone, and toward anyone, not just by me and others towards Sherea.

she did get ghetto, with the unnecessary attitude and the head movements. jr didn't even do anything to her (if he did, it would have been televised) so she just looked kinda stupid.

Last TC it was kind of shocking, out of context. But earlier within ZH tribe, it was even more so. I don't fault her, if that is the only way she has ever learned to interact in confrontations, but she could have done much better with better social skills.

No Name Face
Oct 29th, 2007, 10:10 AM
Generalize? :confused: There is a ghetto way to be passionate and speak your mind and a non-ghetto way. :shrug:

Or do you object to the use of the term "ghetto" overall, describing behavior? I'll assume, if so, that you object to it used by anyone, and toward anyone, not just by me and others towards Sherea.



I wouldn't even bother with him. He needs to stop acting like Al Sharpton, that's all.

I should be able to say a black person was acting ghetto without having to answer to another black poster about it. :weirdo:

Ellery
Oct 29th, 2007, 12:03 PM
Ghetto or not (whatever that word means anyway) Sherea came across as being extremely bitter and delusional. Not very pleasant.

Scotso
Oct 29th, 2007, 01:24 PM
Almost all of them are bitter and delusional after they get voted off.

Meteor Shower
Oct 29th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Sherea agressive 'excuse me' and bolting out of TC, make this one of my favorite boot ever lol.
I keep replaying it for 5 minutes or so :rolls:

Ellery
Oct 29th, 2007, 05:02 PM
Almost all of them are bitter and delusional after they get voted off.

But with Sherea it was particularly bad. :o

Ryan
Oct 29th, 2007, 05:54 PM
Yeah I think she was especially delusional. When we said this was the best episode in awhile, it got me thinking back to last season. My favorite episode, ever, of all Survivor's, was when Dreamz told Earl etc. that Alex was going to use his hidden II to save himself at Tribal. So, Earl, Cass, Yau etc. all vote for Edgardo. :lol: The look on buddy's face was absolutely priceless, and the 4retardhorsemen getting crushed was wicked. Definitely my favorite episode of all time.

Renee
Oct 29th, 2007, 06:01 PM
Sherea may be bitter but she is not delusional. Physically, she was the strongest female there.....she worked her ass off in the challenges.

Ellery
Oct 29th, 2007, 06:33 PM
Sherea may be bitter but she is not delusional. Physically, she was the strongest female there.....she worked her ass off in the challenges.

She was not voted out because the Fei Longs were afraid of her "amazing physical skills and strength" or whatever. She was voted out because she didn't belong in any of the alliances.

Scotso
Oct 29th, 2007, 09:26 PM
Yeah I think she was especially delusional. When we said this was the best episode in awhile, it got me thinking back to last season. My favorite episode, ever, of all Survivor's, was when Dreamz told Earl etc. that Alex was going to use his hidden II to save himself at Tribal. So, Earl, Cass, Yau etc. all vote for Edgardo. :lol: The look on buddy's face was absolutely priceless, and the 4retardhorsemen getting crushed was wicked. Definitely my favorite episode of all time.

You're mean. I loved Edgardo :sad:

Denise4925
Oct 29th, 2007, 09:28 PM
Generalize? :confused: There is a ghetto way to be passionate and speak your mind and a non-ghetto way. :shrug:

Or do you object to the use of the term "ghetto" overall, describing behavior? I'll assume, if so, that you object to it used by anyone, and toward anyone, not just by me and others towards Sherea.



Last TC it was kind of shocking, out of context. But earlier within ZH tribe, it was even more so. I don't fault her, if that is the only way she has ever learned to interact in confrontations, but she could have done much better with better social skills.

Wow, you make a good analysis then come back with this stereotypical bullshit. Those TC's last for hours, so we don't know what JR said to provoke her. I don't think she was "ghetto". If she had been "ghetto" she would have been cursing and trying to fight somebody along with the head rolls or whatever "acting ghetto" is, but she was articulate in what she was saying and made no bones about it. Some people are just intimidated by that kind of response, I guess and have to catagorize it as something racial. :shrug:

Denise4925
Oct 29th, 2007, 09:30 PM
I wouldn't even bother with him. He needs to stop acting like Al Sharpton, that's all.

I should be able to say a black person was acting ghetto without having to answer to another black poster about it. :weirdo:

NNF??? Oh wow. :(

Denise4925
Oct 29th, 2007, 09:32 PM
Yeah I think she was especially delusional. When we said this was the best episode in awhile, it got me thinking back to last season. My favorite episode, ever, of all Survivor's, was when Dreamz told Earl etc. that Alex was going to use his hidden II to save himself at Tribal. So, Earl, Cass, Yau etc. all vote for Edgardo. :lol: The look on buddy's face was absolutely priceless, and the 4retardhorsemen getting crushed was wicked. Definitely my favorite episode of all time.

Mine too. :lol: This one was pretty much expected and they didn't really do anything to hide it from her. She was angry about it, but whatever she said after is typical of making someone feel better about themselves, delusional or not. :shrug: Give her a break.

Renee
Oct 29th, 2007, 10:00 PM
She was not voted out because the Fei Longs were afraid of her "amazing physical skills and strength" or whatever. She was voted out because she didn't belong in any of the alliances.


Well of course she wasn't in any of the alliances because of the switch. But she is not delusional when she says she is strong. She performed the best out of all the other females and I think this was a factor in her going instead of Frosti.

G1Player2
Oct 29th, 2007, 10:30 PM
[quote=drake3781;11909032]Generalize? :confused: There is a ghetto way to be passionate and speak your mind and a non-ghetto way. :shrug:


:lol: So, what is the ghetto way?! A black woman who speaks her mind passionately who uses neck rolls and hand movements? Is that what you meant? Becuase just because Sharea did all those things she did not come across as violent and she wasn't yelling or screaming. She articulated her arugments very well and besides that the whole tribe felt that way about JR but they were on their P's and Q's because they probably didn't want to get a vote at TC so they were more than likely glad that Sherea spoke up. Courtney most certainly was.

And speaking of Courtney, wasn't she a super bitch in that 1st episode? And besides that, Courtney had some nasty things to say about JR at this TC and especially the last TC when Leslie got voted off. She was passionate at what she said called JR a "horrible rotten person" and I noticed her eye rolling and making hand movements...soo...Wouldn't this make her ghetto based on your defintion. I know..I know. It's hard to compare and quantify
calling someone like Sherea "ghetto" compared to calling a skinny "caucasian" girl ghetto but it's still in the same context. :confused: Or was Courtney's way the non-ghetto way of speaking her mind? :lol:



Or do you object to the use of the term "ghetto" overall, describing behavior? I'll assume, if so, that you object to it used by anyone, and toward anyone, not just by me and others towards Sherea.

I don't object to the use of the word ghetto but from my experience those who use that word the most are the ones who aren't all that familiar with African Americans,(they're mostly identified with being ghetto compared to other races) and not used to the culture, etc. Those people who are less familiar with blacks use it the most frequently especially when it shouldn't be. :rolleyes: Calling someone 'ghetto' for speaking their mind in an articulate straight-to-the-point way is not ghetto. She did not scream, yell or harrass JR at the top of her lungs or even seem violent at all. It's just that people who aren't familiar with blacks and the term ghetto should be cautious of using that word because nothing Sherea exhibited on this series should be deemed as 'ghetto.'

G1Player2
Oct 29th, 2007, 10:33 PM
I wouldn't even bother with him. He needs to stop acting like Al Sharpton, that's all.

I should be able to say a black person was acting ghetto without having to answer to another black poster about it. :weirdo:


When you do some studying and research or whatever on the history and context of the word 'ghetto' get back to me. Perhaps you won't end up looking like a fool in the end especially since Sherea wasn't ghetto at all at TC...Except to the ignorant people who like to stereoype and generalize cultures they know nothing about and have never experienced.

Denise4925
Oct 29th, 2007, 10:35 PM
[QUOTE]



:lol: So, what is the ghetto way?! A black woman who speaks her mind passionately who uses neck rolls and hand movements? Is that what you meant? Becuase just because Sharea did all those things she did not come across as violent and she wasn't yelling or screaming. She articulated her arugments very well and besides that the whole tribe felt that way about JR but they were on their P's and Q's because they probably didn't want to get a vote at TC so they were more than likely glad that Sherea spoke up. Courtney most certainly was.

And speaking of Courtney, wasn't she a super bitch in that 1st episode? And besides that, Courtney had some nasty things to say about JR at this TC and especially the last TC when Leslie got voted off. She was passionate at what she said called JR a "horrible rotten person" and I noticed her eye rolling and making hand movements...soo...Wouldn't this make her ghetto based on your defintion. I know..I know. It's hard to compare and quantify
calling someone like Sherea "ghetto" compared to calling a skinny "caucasian" girl ghetto but it's still in the same context. :confused: Or was Courtney's way the non-ghetto way of speaking her mind? :lol:





I don't object to the use of the word ghetto but from my experience those who use that word the most are the ones who aren't all that familiar with African Americans,(they're mostly identified with being ghetto compared to other races) and not used to the culture, etc. Those people who are less familiar with blacks use it the most frequently especially when it shouldn't be. :rolleyes: Calling someone 'ghetto' for speaking their mind in an articulate straight-to-the-point way is not ghetto. She did not scream, yell or harrass JR at the top of her lungs or even seem violent at all. It's just that people who aren't familiar with blacks and the term ghetto should be cautious of using that word because nothing Sherea exhibited on this series should be deemed as 'ghetto.'

:worship: :worship: :worship:

G1Player2
Oct 29th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Anyway, enough ghetto talk. I think Jamie, PG and Erik are hoping James will flip to their side. But, I don't think he will after what Todd did my giving him the HII. That was huge and IMO solidified James trust. So I think James will go back to his former tribe and then the original ZH will be picked off...Starting probably with Frosti...Just my opinion. I don't know why Frosti really thinks he is in with Todd and Amanda because they basically have the numbers right now and they would much rather be competing in the end against Denise and Courtney than Frosti.

No Name Face
Oct 29th, 2007, 11:02 PM
When you do some studying and research or whatever on the history and context of the word 'ghetto' get back to me. Perhaps you won't end up looking like a fool in the end especially since Sherea wasn't ghetto at all at TC...Except to the ignorant people who like to stereoype and generalize cultures they know nothing about and have never experienced.

:banghead:

Says you, the new authority for all things black. Says Serena Williams, who jokes about being ghetto or not. It's not a big deal and you made it into one.

You've really become so annoying with your interjections into posts ONLY if it has to do with black people, like you're some freedom fighter or something.

To me she was acting ghetto and I'm going to SAY that.
She was being unnecessarily confrontational for no reason. No one said anything negative about her and she was acting like someone up and called her useless or a bitch or something. It's not stereotypical and yada yada yada, it's what it is, it's how she was being to me. You may associate ghetto with holding the black man down, but to me, it's when someone (race not a factor, but it could be) is very unpleasant and confrontational and starts arguments and drama in a standoffish way...and NO, i don't use it all the time, but YES, to me, when I thought of Sherea, I thought of that. With the eye rolling and the head bobbing for NO REASON...it all looked very ghetto to me.

BTW - ghetto does NOT mean or imply violence. the severity of the phrase "you're acting ghetto" has completely been marginalized since its inception and you know that. the phrase "you're acting ghetto" is used mostly as a mockery now and that was its point. you can be articulate and still be acting 'stank' or 'ghetto' --- it's more about the mannerisms.

No Name Face
Oct 29th, 2007, 11:09 PM
NNF??? Oh wow. :(

Oh come on Denise, I've been jokingly called ghetto by family members before...it's not a big deal nor a loaded phrase. It's analogous to calling a white person a hick --- dirt off your shoulder, especially if it's kept in house. I said it with no malice and I was annoyed that the voice for all black people would try and make an issue out of a non-issue. I can see some people being annoyed if a notoriously racist poster said what I said, but if it's kept in house and in jest, I'm not going to feel guilty or wrong for using it. I don't use the phrase 'nigga' but I have no qualms with using the phrase 'ghetto' if it fits.

G1Player2
Oct 30th, 2007, 12:04 AM
[quote=No Name Face;11914103]:banghead:

Says you, the new authority for all things black. Says Serena Williams, who jokes about being ghetto or not. It's not a big deal and you made it into one
.

:weirdo: What are you talking about? And when did Serena Williams joke about her being ghetto or not? That sounds nothing like her. Show me a link or something or a quote to prove it..


You've really become so annoying with your interjections into posts ONLY if it has to do with black people, like you're some freedom fighter or something.


I'm glad you noticed I guess :shrug: Cuz I certainly didn't.



To me she was acting ghetto and I'm going to SAY that.
She was being unnecessarily confrontational for no reason. No one said anything negative about her and she was acting like someone up and called her useless or a bitch or something.


She wasn't being confrontational at all. She described her feeling about JR and how the ENTIRE tribe felt about him in a very articulate and rational way even with the hand movements and head rolling. If she was all that confrontational, her other tribe members would have mentioned it and would have said it in their voting confessional when they voted for her. I watched the INSIDER and not ANY of them, not even JR, the person she called out, had anything negative to say regarding her personality, or in your case, her "ghettoness." The vote was purely strategic to give their side numbers and Sherea was clearly outnumbered do to the switch that screwed Aaron as well..

Besides that the whole tribe had problems with JR. Sherea is the only one who spoke up about it because the other tribe mates were too afraid and timid to say anything becuase they didn't want to get on JR's bad side because they didn't want to be voted for her and some of them still want to use him to their advantage. I'm sure they were all thrilled Sherea jumped up and said what they were feeling already especially considering the fact that they were too cowardly to say it to JR's face themselves in fear of getting voted for by him.

Also, Sherea had called out Dave in a similar matter. Guess what?! That whole tribe disliked Dave too but didn't say anything to his face about it. Sherea was the only one who had the guts to stand up to him...So maybe that's just in her nature. It's not confrontational at all especially when she was describing the whole tribe's feelings about these 2 people but the rest of the tribe didn't have the gall to stand up and say something about it sans Courtney.



It's not stereotypical and yada yada yada, it's what it is, it's how she was being to me. You may associate ghetto with holding the black man down, but to me, it's when someone (race not a factor, but it could be) is very unpleasant and confrontational and starts arguments and drama in a standoffish way...and NO, i don't use it all the time, but YES, to me, when I thought of Sherea, I thought of that. With the eye rolling and the head bobbing for NO REASON...it all looked very ghetto to me.


:bs: :help:
It IS stereotypical. Whenever you call a black woman who is articulating something very well, is well spoken when saying it, and because she had an eye roll, neck roll, or head roll, and may have to you an "attitude" in her voice, and you call her ghetto, IS stereotypical. Besides that, Sherea hasn't been unpleasant or confrotational or started arguments or drama. Like I said, if you watched the INSIDER, when JR voted for Sherea he said, "I wish I could have gotten to know you better." If she was so unpleasant and started so much drama, JR would have said something much worse. You don't say you wish you could have gotten to know someone if they are unpleasant and angry and start drama. Sherea exhibited none of these qualities except the being lazy thing which I didn't agree with, but I digress. And you are basically proving my point when you say that you thought of ghetto from Sherea when you saw all the unnecessary head bobbing and eye rolling...UMMM...HELLO?! Of course you did! Becuase that's what's MOST associated with being a black woman and ghetto to people who aren't familiar with the culture. :lol:


Like I said before, Courtney has been very bitchy in the past and did more eyerolling at JR then Sherea did. I'm sure this isn't ghetto to you because Courtney isn't black and we know ghetto is most associated with all things black.

BTW - ghetto does NOT mean or imply violence. the severity of the phrase "you're acting ghetto" has completely been marginalized since its inception and you know that. the phrase "you're acting ghetto" is used mostly as a mockery now and that was its point. you can be articulate and still be acting 'stank' or 'ghetto' --- it's more about the mannerisms.

This is :bs: on top of :bs:
Are you kidding me? NO IT HASN"T been marginalized!!!!! Especially not in this context. Because the way you are trying to use it in this sentence is in a sarcastic tone when we all know when you called Sherea ghetto, that isn't what you meant. You used it in a negative connotation, the connotation that HASN'T beeen marginalized in any shape, way or form. And :lol: at "since its inception."

And when you say the phrase "you're acting ghetto" is used as a mockery. It is used as a mockery usually
by people who aren't familiar with things they deem as 'ghetto.' Hell people who actually live in actual ghettos and live 'ghetto' lifestyles don't even use that word. The people who use the word 'ghetto' the most are people who are less familar with African American and black culture. Hell, people from the ghetto would be amused that you called Sherea ghetto because that isn't ghetto at all to them and they'd be amused at the people who use that word about things that aren't characteristics of ghetto lifestyle at all ie. Sherea. Most people who aren't familar with black culture and use the word 'ghetto' on a regular basis really should stop making a fool out of themselves because I am willing to guarantee you that nine times our of ten those aren't 'ghetto' characteristics at all. So before you dig your own grave like you have in your response why don't you think about and analyze what I have said to you before you or anyone else make ignorant and asinine stereotypical, judgemental and subjective comments on things you have NEVER experienced. Maybe you won't end up looking like, as you put it, a "mockery" in the end.

G1Player2
Oct 30th, 2007, 12:13 AM
Oh come on Denise, I've been jokingly called ghetto by family members before...it's not a big deal nor a loaded phrase. It's analogous to calling a white person a hick --- dirt off your shoulder, especially if it's kept in house. I said it with no malice and I was annoyed that the voice for all black people would try and make an issue out of a non-issue. I can see some people being annoyed if a notoriously racist poster said what I said, but if it's kept in house and in jest, I'm not going to feel guilty or wrong for using it. I don't use the phrase 'nigga' but I have no qualms with using the phrase 'ghetto' if it fits.

Well, sorry it didn't fit. And I meant that in a non-patronizing way. And also, you did not call Sherea ghetto in a joking way so I don't see the correlation between your family calling you ghetto as a joke, compared to you calling Sherea ghetto in the negative connotation of the word.

No Name Face
Oct 30th, 2007, 12:26 AM
You saying Sherea wasn't confrontational is absurd --- she went off on JR for NO reason.

And I never said Sherea going off on Dave was ghetto or even a bad thing --- in fact she was totally justified, I quite liked her for it. The way she went off on JR was just random considering she had been there for a few days and that, in and of itself, was a confrontational act.

I'm done with this. I don't have to defend myself to the likes of you. If I had said she was a ghetto person, you'd have a point, but this is what I said:

she got all ghetto towards the end, it was embarrassing to watch :o

It was clearly not said to imply she was a ghetto person, it was just a snarky comment. It's like when someone does something stupid, but they're really smart --- not everything is a big stereotypical slight against black people, especially when I am black. Get over it, man.

Ryan
Oct 30th, 2007, 12:39 AM
I think you're all a bunch of trailer trash ghetto hicks. I could try to cover all the bases, but thats enough I think. :p Everyone please, kindly, shut the fuck up about race and ghetto and blah blah blah. If it offends you - dont respond to the posts. If you know people dont like the word ghetto, maybe try to use another word.

Ellery
Oct 30th, 2007, 12:42 AM
Yeah I think she was especially delusional. When we said this was the best episode in awhile, it got me thinking back to last season. My favorite episode, ever, of all Survivor's, was when Dreamz told Earl etc. that Alex was going to use his hidden II to save himself at Tribal. So, Earl, Cass, Yau etc. all vote for Edgardo. :lol: The look on buddy's face was absolutely priceless, and the 4retardhorsemen getting crushed was wicked. Definitely my favorite episode of all time.

One of my favorite moments too. Mookie looked like he was gonna shit himself :lol: And especially the way they revealed the votes, first 3 for Cassandra and then one for Mookie, and then all the Edgardo votes :lol: Edgardo, Alex and Mookie :wavey:

G1Player2
Oct 30th, 2007, 01:00 AM
[quote=No Name Face;11914440]You saying Sherea wasn't confrontational is absurd --- she went off on JR for NO reason.


Umm. She did have a reason at least to her. She said that JR was rubbing her the wrong way. We didn't see much of it, but considering the whole tribe talked about how much JR annoyed and bothered them, we have plenty of circumstantial evidence to prove that JR annoyed Sherea just as much. It's just she was actually the only one to hit home about it. She had plenty of reason IMO especially if the other tribemates complained about JR's behavior which they have.



And I never said Sherea going off on Dave was ghetto or even a bad thing --- in fact she was totally justified, I quite liked her for it. The way she went off on JR was just random considering she had been there for a few days and that, in and of itself, was a confrontational act.

No, I mean in the sense that that whole tribe had problems with Dave but only Sherea was the one who said something about it, like she did with JR. Like, I said, I don't think Sherea would personally attack someone for no reason. She had plenty of reason to say what she did to JR and just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean nothing happened.



I'm done with this. I don't have to defend myself to the likes of you. If I had said she was a ghetto person, you'd have a point, but this is what I said:



It was clearly not said to imply she was a ghetto person, it was just a snarky comment. It's like when someone does something stupid, but they're really smart --- not everything is a big stereotypical slight against black people, especially when I am black. Get over it, man.


:speakles: I can't do this again. I just wish you weren't so stubborn and actually listened for once instead of always being defensive when it comes to these sort of issues and I don't think everything is a big stereotypical slight against blacks, but in this case it was..

Scotso
Oct 30th, 2007, 05:24 AM
When you do some studying and research or whatever on the history and context of the word 'ghetto' get back to me. Perhaps you won't end up looking like a fool in the end especially since Sherea wasn't ghetto at all at TC...Except to the ignorant people who like to stereoype and generalize cultures they know nothing about and have never experienced.

I guess we Jews should lecture black people about using the term so much then, also, since it started out as a section for Jewish people.

G1Player2
Oct 30th, 2007, 05:30 AM
I guess we Jews should lecture black people about using the term so much then, also, since it started out as a section for Jewish people.

:weirdo: What does this have to do with anything I said?!

Ryan
Oct 30th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Ok, calmed down ladies? :p Unbunch your thongs and dont talk to each other til thursdays episode.

No Name Face
Oct 30th, 2007, 11:15 PM
i can't wait till thursday's episode.

i think todd will go. todd or pg or jamie or courtney or jr or wow this season is so good, i can't even predict!

G1Player2
Oct 31st, 2007, 11:40 PM
I have spoilers for this season now :devil: I haven't mentioned my faves here, so it isn't a spoiler when I say I'm not happy with the winner. :sad:

Denise4925
Oct 31st, 2007, 11:43 PM
I have spoilers for this season now :devil: I haven't mentioned my faves here, so it isn't a spoiler when I say I'm not happy with the winner. :sad:

No, :lol: but PM me with the news. :devil:

Ellery
Nov 1st, 2007, 01:16 AM
I have spoilers for this season now :devil: I haven't mentioned my faves here, so it isn't a spoiler when I say I'm not happy with the winner. :sad:

I know who the final 3 is, but please pm me and tell me who is the winner. :)

Ryan
Nov 1st, 2007, 02:09 AM
Boo, make sure none of you EVER mention anything about the Spoilers please.

drake3781
Nov 1st, 2007, 03:57 AM
Boo, make sure none of you EVER mention anything about the Spoilers please.


It's obvious when people know spoilers. They write things that they think seem like they cleverly came up with something that turns out to happen. Annoying, and way more obvious than they realize. :rolleyes:

(I thought we were getting our old smilies back?!?!? This one just will not do!!)

We now know that James does not win (at least according to the spoiler he has), simply based on GPlayer's statement and his racial bias. :shrug:

I did not want to know that. :mad:

Only way to avoid it now is to stay out of the thread.

mckyle.
Nov 1st, 2007, 03:59 AM
Please PM me the results

KoOlMaNsEaN
Nov 1st, 2007, 04:00 AM
Wasnt it obvious James isnt going to win.

mckyle.
Nov 1st, 2007, 04:02 AM
I don't even watch the show, I'm just nosy :lol:

mckyle.
Nov 1st, 2007, 04:05 AM
I think I will like the final 3 :) Just saw it on a website.

G1Player2
Nov 1st, 2007, 06:01 AM
It's obvious when people know spoilers. They write things that they think seem like they cleverly came up with something that turns out to happen. Annoying, and way more obvious than they realize. :rolleyes:

(I thought we were getting our old smilies back?!?!? This one just will not do!!)

We now know that James does not win (at least according to the spoiler he has), simply based on GPlayer's statement and his racial bias. :shrug:

I did not want to know that. :mad:

Only way to avoid it now is to stay out of the thread.

Excuse me, I am NO James fan. AT all. I don't dislike him or anything but he is way too ethical and naive for this game and I don't find him all that exciting or interesting...So you saying I am rooting for James just because he's black is ridiculous and as judgemental as you calling Sherea ghetto...I said I was going yo stay on topic but I just had to respond to this. You can PM me if you want to get more in-depth about this because we've communicated via PM in the past.

I just don't get why you and No Name Face are jumping all over me for this. :shrug:

Ryan
Nov 1st, 2007, 12:03 PM
Excuse me, I am NO James fan. AT all. I don't dislike him or anything but he is way too ethical and naive for this game and I don't find him all that exciting or interesting...So you saying I am rooting for James just because he's black is ridiculous and as judgemental as you calling Sherea ghetto...I said I was going yo stay on topic but I just had to respond to this. You can PM me if you want to get more in-depth about this because we've communicated via PM in the past.

I just don't get why you and No Name Face are jumping all over me for this. :shrug:


When you are black, and criticize people for using the word ghetto, people will expect that you are going to cheer for black contestants. I dont necessarily agree, but I can see why some people would think that.

LeonHart
Nov 1st, 2007, 03:29 PM
No SPOILERS PLEASEEEEEEEE

Thanks.

Denise4925
Nov 1st, 2007, 04:48 PM
It's obvious when people know spoilers. They write things that they think seem like they cleverly came up with something that turns out to happen. Annoying, and way more obvious than they realize. :rolleyes:

(I thought we were getting our old smilies back?!?!? This one just will not do!!)

We now know that James does not win (at least according to the spoiler he has), simply based on GPlayer's statement and his racial bias. :shrug:

I did not want to know that. :mad:

Only way to avoid it now is to stay out of the thread.

That was really unnecessary and I wish you would stay out of the thread. :rolleyes: Geez.

griffin
Nov 1st, 2007, 04:57 PM
I have spoilers for this season now :devil: I haven't mentioned my faves here, so it isn't a spoiler when I say I'm not happy with the winner. :sad:

You can post them here if you want:
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=321304

IceHock
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:04 AM
I feel so bad for Jamiee

Ellery
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:08 AM
Feel really bad for Jaime too :sad: As she said, it was worth a try, and she wasn´t bitter about it, so good for her. I only saw the last twenty minutes of the episode, but my friend told me that Jaime and Erik went through James's belongings. :o That's bad.

So Todd tries to get rid of James next episode while Peih-Gee tries to pull off a power move? Should be interesting.

Ryan
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:09 AM
Awesome episode tonight. IMO Jaime cemented her place as one of the dumbest Survivors in history. If she had only checked to see what James' Idols looked like she could have saved herself that embarassment. Finally a plan from Todd's team goes through according to plan, even if Courtney and JR are whacko. Todd is setting himself up to be the fall guy, as next week shows. He's doing all the overt scheming and letting Amanda (who is in the best situation of anyone) conspire with him and take none of the blame. I dont expect James to go next week, it would be too obvious with the preview we saw. I think it'll be PG or Erik, and once one of them is gone I hope they get rid of JR and Courtney back to back. That way it'll be Amanda, James, Frosti, Todd, Denise, and PG/Erik. Perfect final 6 for me. Then Todd goes, then Denise, then PG/Erik. Out of James, Frosti and Amanda I dont care too much who wins. I wish theyd go back to a Final 2 though, final 3's suck.

Tennisace
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:12 AM
Whoa was the arrogance out in full force in tonight's episode! I find it slightly odd that JR put so much faith in Todd (knowing that he's cunning and JR being a poker player). The sad part is that James doesn't realize how much of a pawn he is. Todd is playing him like a doll and as next week's episode shows is waiting for the right time to cut the strings.

I'm assuming the 5 votes were Todd, Amanda, Denise, James, JR? Did Courtney vote for JR? And what was Frosti's vote? If yes, then this was the time for JR to jump sides. The truth is Todd and company would never let JR get that far into the game while PG and company would because of numbers.

Tennisace
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:15 AM
Feel really bad for Jaime too :sad: As she said, it was worth a try, and she wasn´t bitter about it, so good for her. I only saw the last twenty minutes of the episode, but my friend told me that Jaime and Erik went through James's belongings. :o That's bad.

So Todd tries to get rid of James next episode while Peih-Gee tries to pull off a power move? Should be interesting.

Going through belongings is allowed according to the rules. Even if they found it being the real one, they can't take it as per the rules of hidden immunity idol. It can only be given not stolen.

The one thing I like about PG is that she knows her back is against the wall and she'll do anything to get out of it. She probably now knows that Frosti is longer on her side and now she has to do something drastic. Too many times we've seen players just wait to be eliminated without trying something.

Tennisace
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:18 AM
Awesome episode tonight. IMO Jaime cemented her place as one of the dumbest Survivors in history. If she had only checked to see what James' Idols looked like she could have saved herself that embarassment. Finally a plan from Todd's team goes through according to plan, even if Courtney and JR are whacko. Todd is setting himself up to be the fall guy, as next week shows. He's doing all the overt scheming and letting Amanda (who is in the best situation of anyone) conspire with him and take none of the blame. I dont expect James to go next week, it would be too obvious with the preview we saw. I think it'll be PG or Erik, and once one of them is gone I hope they get rid of JR and Courtney back to back. That way it'll be Amanda, James, Frosti, Todd, Denise, and PG/Erik. Perfect final 6 for me. Then Todd goes, then Denise, then PG/Erik. Out of James, Frosti and Amanda I dont care too much who wins. I wish theyd go back to a Final 2 though, final 3's suck.

The final 3 was created so that you couldn't bring an unlikable contestant and then easily win the finals.

Ryan
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:26 AM
Tennisace - I agree that was an undesirable result, but I just havent liked the final threes weve had. There's been two, right? I guess Yul/Ozzy was ok, but it just seems that when there are three people there's a clear winner and its not as tense. I like it being 1 on 1, the jurors have fewer people to pick from.

Ryan
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:28 AM
Yeah there were 6 votes read for Jaime tonight, so I think thatd mean frosti and courtney voted for her otherwise they would have shown all the votes for JR. Todd is going to get taken out soon, people know he's a big strategic player. I wouldnt be surprised if PG's powerplay is trying to get James, JR and Frosti to vote for Todd with her and Erik.

Scotso
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:56 AM
PG is kind of useless. I assume her "power play" will be trying to get the women against the men or something. She tries to be cunning, but she's not so good at it.

I didn't really like Jaime, but I feel bad for her. Poor thing will probably never live down the whole "I'm not as dumb as I look" thing.

I am a little happy she's gone, I didn't like her being so close to Erik. :fiery: ;) He's getting sexier with each episode. :drool:

Another sexy guy is Frosti, who I really didn't notice much until this episode. I really like his personality. But he seems to be attracted to Courtney :o which I have to hope is due to the fact that there are so few women around. If he likes them like that... :tape:

I like Amanda and Todd, too, but while Todd seems to think he's the brains of the entire operation, it wouldn't surprise me if Amanda was closely managing him. She seems like one of those highly intelligent people that allow others to take the risks. Todd is smart, but is trying too hard.

Scotso
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:58 AM
Tennisace - I agree that was an undesirable result, but I just havent liked the final threes weve had. There's been two, right? I guess Yul/Ozzy was ok, but it just seems that when there are three people there's a clear winner and its not as tense. I like it being 1 on 1, the jurors have fewer people to pick from.

I think they went to three *because* the results in the past have been so lopsided. Let's face it, there's almost always a clear winner.

Ellery
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:59 AM
I wouldn't really be surprised if Peih-Gee manages to pull off something decent. Apart from Amanda and Todd she seems to be the only one who is actively strategizing and thinking.

Ryan
Nov 2nd, 2007, 02:01 AM
Yeah Amanda definitely is working Todd over, remember last episode how he wanted JR to go and she said Sherea? Sherea went, probably because she convinced him to stick with the plan. She's in good with everyone.

Did anyone else notice they didnt even show Denise tonight? I never heard her talk and barely remember, maybe, seeing her at IC. :lol:

Scotso
Nov 2nd, 2007, 02:13 AM
One odd thing for me in this season is that there are so few people I can't stand. Basically just JR and Courtney, and I think Courtney would be a lot more pleasant if JR weren't around.

Scotso
Nov 2nd, 2007, 02:17 AM
Yeah Amanda definitely is working Todd over, remember last episode how he wanted JR to go and she said Sherea? Sherea went, probably because she convinced him to stick with the plan. She's in good with everyone.

Did anyone else notice they didnt even show Denise tonight? I never heard her talk and barely remember, maybe, seeing her at IC. :lol:

You know someone's going home when they feature in an episode a lot. Erik was also almost completely behind the scenes in this episode, except for the one part where he was laying down and Jamie searched James' bag. I just hope they focus on him more if he's going soon... if his personality is that boring, I need to know so I stop obsessing. :angel: If not, I want to see more.

They showed Denise a few times, but never as the main focus. They really haven't paid much attention to her the entire season. Nor Erik and Frosti. Amanda is also pretty rarely heard from.

sfselesfan
Nov 2nd, 2007, 05:35 AM
Todd rocks. Even though he told babygirl..."deal with it bitch!" I still love it!

Definitely the best episode of the season...I loved when Jeff through the "idol" in the fire. Haha!

SF

NyCPsU
Nov 2nd, 2007, 05:46 AM
first season of survivor im not watching and i miss it :sad:

just dont have time. :(

No Name Face
Nov 2nd, 2007, 11:33 AM
When you are black, and criticize people for using the word ghetto, people will expect that you are going to cheer for black contestants. I dont necessarily agree, but I can see why some people would think that.

agreed.
I would be inclined to think James wouldn't win now, even though that's fairly obvious given his presence in the game.

poor jaime. i actually thought she stole james's idol and put the blank one in his bad, which would have been fucked up, but still pretty cool.

and i totally agree with you scotso, i actually find everyone likeable. even the people i don't like are endearing in a way (courtney, JR). todd is trying too hard with the 'mastermind' bit, but he's a fun dude.

Ellery
Nov 2nd, 2007, 12:52 PM
Isn't there a rule that says that you can't steal an immunity idol? I believe you can only get it if the owner gives it to you.

Scotso
Nov 2nd, 2007, 03:26 PM
Isn't there a rule that says that you can't steal an immunity idol? I believe you can only get it if the owner gives it to you.

Yes, you can't steal it.

Scotso
Nov 2nd, 2007, 03:32 PM
Todd is so hairy. :lol: You can tell he was a bigtime shaver.

Zombielicious
Nov 2nd, 2007, 08:10 PM
GOD. GET RID OF JEAN FREAKING ROBERT! :armed:

griffin
Nov 2nd, 2007, 08:27 PM
Isn't there a rule that says that you can't steal an immunity idol? I believe you can only get it if the owner gives it to you.

True, but I don't think there's a rule against actually LOOKING at the idol you think someone else has to make sure the one YOU think you have is the real deal :lol: (he had two wood tiles in his bag - did she think there were 3 idols?)

Denise4925
Nov 2nd, 2007, 08:40 PM
Is it me? I can't seem to like, favor or dislike any of these contestants. I can't get a favorite or even a villian that I hate out of this bunch. It reminds me of Survivor Africa and Survivor Australia. I just couldn't relate on any level to any of the contestants.

I don't care one way or the other about any of these people. Does anyone else feel that way, or have any of you felt that way about any other Survivor?

Ellery
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:03 PM
True, but I don't think there's a rule against actually LOOKING at the idol you think someone else has to make sure the one YOU think you have is the real deal :lol: (he had two wood tiles in his bag - did she think there were 3 idols?)

Well, it´s not impossible that there would be 3 idols :shrug: Jaime should probably have compared her idol to one of James', but then again it was dark so maybe she couldn't really see if there was a writing on it or something.

sfselesfan
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:05 PM
^^

Denise,

I feel that way about most of them. I like the "unique" people generally. That's why I like Courney this time (but I'm not nuts about her). I appreciate that this anorexic b---h can keep sticking around. In more recent seasons I've liked Yau-Man and Cirie. Other than that though, I typically watch the season from an objective perspective.

I can say, when it was battle of the sexes (Amazon, and Vanuatu) I typically rooted for the women (at least to start with).

This time around, I don't really care. I thought Courtney's catty comments at the beginning of the season were funny, but at this point they're all pretty blah. Denise had potential (any lunch-lady with a mullet does) but they rarely show her.

SF

drake3781
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:08 PM
Does Courtney look even more monstrous than ever this episode? She reminds me of Gollum.

Ellery
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:12 PM
And what's with the Frosti/Courtney thing? Ewwww.

sfselesfan
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:14 PM
Does Courtney look even more monstrous than ever this episode? She reminds me of Gollum.

Monstrous wouldn't be my word...but certainly ghoulish and emaciated. Monstrous gives me an image of "large" which doesn't apply. She definitely doesn't look healthy.

SF

Ellery
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:29 PM
I rewatched the episode, and did James say something about Courtney latching to swinging dick or something along those lines. I hope I misheard. :rolleyes: And also his ¨skinny bitch" comment about Courtney. James has been getting an awesome edit, but I am starting to get the feeling that he is just a douchebag.

sfselesfan
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:35 PM
I rewatched the episode, and did James say something about Courtney latching to swinging dick or something along those lines. I hope I misheard. :rolleyes: And also his ¨skinny bitch" comment about Courtney. James has been getting an awesome edit, but I am starting to get the feeling that he is just a douchebag.

I think he was trying to say, "Courtney latches on to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that swings by."

But it came out (hysterically) like, "Courtney latches on to every swinging harry dick." I almost died.

Forgot about that.

How about when he called the immunity idol the "immunization thingy." Despite the fact that he has two of them that spell "immunity idol" on the back.

SF

Denise4925
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:40 PM
I rewatched the episode, and did James say something about Courtney latching to swinging dick or something along those lines. I hope I misheard. :rolleyes: And also his ¨skinny bitch" comment about Courtney. James has been getting an awesome edit, but I am starting to get the feeling that he is just a douchebag.

Yeah he said that. I can't stand James even more after that comment. He's a fucking sexist dumb douchbag. I'm surprised they didn't edit that out. It was pretty vulgar. I still don't hate him enough to really have any feelings one way or another about this Survivor though. :shrug:

drake3781
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:40 PM
I think he was trying to say, "Courtney latches on to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that swings by."

But it came out (hysterically) like, "Courtney latches on to every swinging harry dick." I almost died.

Forgot about that.

How about when he called the immunity idol the "immunization thingy." Despite the fact that he has two of them that spell "immunity idol" on the back.

SF

:lol:

I forgot about both of those until you mentioned it. (He was a little bit hard to hear/understand his episode.)

I think it was "swinging Dick". I remember being :eek: "was that just on the air"? :lol:

griffin
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:42 PM
And what's with the Frosti/Courtney thing? Ewwww.

Frosti didn't look all that excited, either :lol:

Denise4925
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:45 PM
I think he was trying to say, "Courtney latches on to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that swings by."

But it came out (hysterically) like, "Courtney latches on to every swinging harry dick." I almost died.

Forgot about that.

How about when he called the immunity idol the "immunization thingy." Despite the fact that he has two of them that spell "immunity idol" on the back.

SF

No, he said "every swinging dick or hairy dick". That's what he meant to say, it's a nasty, vulgar expression used by a few black men that I've heard. I say a few black men, because I've never heard it come out the mouth of men of other races, so I don't know if they use that expression.

sfselesfan
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:49 PM
No, he said "every swinging dick or hairy dick". That's what he meant to say, it's a nasty, vulgar expression used by a few black men that I've heard. I say a few black men, because I've never heard it come out the mouth of men of other races, so I don't know if they use that expression.

If that's true than the editors must have thought what I thought. To me it sounded like he mixed up the words because the "Tom, Dick and Harry" term would have fit perfectly with what he was saying.

Interesting, I'd never heard that expression before. I think if the editors had they would not have included it.

SF

griffin
Nov 2nd, 2007, 09:52 PM
I do think we whiteys are familiar with the term "swinging dick" and what it means to latch onto one.

Denise4925
Nov 2nd, 2007, 10:08 PM
I do think we whiteys are familiar with the term "swinging dick" and what it means to latch onto one.

I think I adequately explained why it wasn't clear to me whether it was a universal term. I don't think it's fair to spin it into something else.

BoucharDRules
Nov 2nd, 2007, 10:14 PM
I'm just glad they started providing subtitles for James' words.

Denise4925
Nov 2nd, 2007, 10:15 PM
I'm just glad they started providing subtitles for James' words.

:lol:

Blu€
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:19 AM
Jamie :haha: :haha: :spit: :spit: wasnt that hilarious?!

Loved Todd comment about Courtney, hope he doesnt get voted off next, Erik is sooooooooo boring!
I think Todd & Amanda should start looking at Frosti, he's physically strong and everybody likes him, take him out as soon as posible!! He kinda annoys me with his "oh man, yeah, i'm so out of here and now I win, yoopi"

Ryan
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:09 AM
I like Frosti and wouldnt mind if he wins, but Todd and Amanda would be smart to get rid of him soon. I think that once it gets down to 5 or 6 Amanda would have to throw Todd under the bus. She could become a Becky, tagging along at Yul's coattails, or someone like Jenna Morasca who really made key decisions in the stretch that prevented her from looking like a floater.

Tennisace
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:21 AM
The last episode definitely painted James and Todd in a more negative light than previous. Didn't they both say the word bitch? I admit I use it and I don't mean to be hypocritical but it was a huge turn off. I know they're human and not stock characters but I don't think its very positive.

Denise4925
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:36 AM
The last episode definitely painted James and Todd in a more negative light than previous. Didn't they both say the word bitch? I admit I use it and I don't mean to be hypocritical but it was a huge turn off. I know they're human and not stock characters but I don't think its very positive.

I agree, when Todd said it, it seemed like a forced afterthought. It didn't seem natural. It seemed like he was trying to sound like a queen or something and it didn't come out right.

Ellery
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:38 AM
I don't know, when Todd said it, it came out sounding almost like a joke. Not saying that's ok, but when James said it, it sounded meaner, I find.

Denise4925
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:42 AM
I am just really not enjoying these contestants this season. I can't get excited or into it. Last season, there were a bunch of colorful characters to love or hate. Rocky, the two latin guys, Earl (his african dance), Yau, Dreamz, they were entertaining. It seems like they took all of the past contestants of the last five years, threw them in the washer and spun them out to dry this season.

Ellery
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:46 AM
Maybe the fact that this is the 12937365359359th season of Survivor is taking its toll. :p

I dunno, I don't find this season particularly exciting either, but the editors are definitely trying to make this season interesting. For instance, it seems that James lovefest is all over the place (with his awesome edit), and Peih-Gee and especially Jaime getting the bitch edit (and in Jamie's case, the "complete dumbass" edit yesterday). Todd and Amanda are both pretty interesting, especially Todd. And the Courtney/Jean Robert interaction is pretty funny. Jean-Robert: blablabla... Courtney: *eyeroll* :lol:

Denise4925
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:49 AM
Maybe the fact that this is the 12937365359359th season of Survivor is taking its toll. :p

I dunno, I don't find this season particularly exciting either, but the editors are definitely trying to make this season interesting. For instance, it seems that James lovefest is all over the place (with his awesome edit), and Peih-Gee and especially Jaime getting the bitch edit (and in Jamie's case, the "complete dumbass" edit yesterday). Todd and Amanda are both pretty interesting, especially Todd. And the Courtney/Jean Robert interaction is pretty funny. Jean-Robert: blablabla... Courtney: *eyeroll* :lol:

Maybe so, but I really think it's the people...all of them, including the ones who've already gotten the boot. I mean honestly, has anyone cared about anybody getting eliminated? I know I haven't and we're already at the merge.

Ryan
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:01 AM
I love this season, and although I dont overly-care about anyone there were definitely people Im glad are gone. I think its one of the better seasons since All-Stars.

silverwhite
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:15 AM
I still look back fondly on Survivor Cook Islands. The incredible comeback of the Aitu 4 topped off by a Yul win. :worship:

Scotso
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:58 PM
Maybe so, but I really think it's the people...all of them, including the ones who've already gotten the boot. I mean honestly, has anyone cared about anybody getting eliminated? I know I haven't and we're already at the merge.

Nope, I haven't cared about any of them. But it's been the jerks and idiots who have been eliminated, so that might contribute.

I really only watch because there is some nice eyecandy. It's really not all that interesting this season.

I think Todd's "bitch" WAS meant to be a joke, and I thought it was hilarious. James' use was a lot more harsh, he really seems to have some issues with women. I don't think he's a bad guy, but he's a bit backwards and extremely uneducated.

And for the person that called Erik boring, how could you even know that? We've seen like 5 minutes of him all season.

Scotso
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:58 PM
I still look back fondly on Survivor Cook Islands. The incredible comeback of the Aitu 4 topped off by a Yul win. :worship:

The comeback of the Aitu 4 was great, but it missed out on being my favorite season ever when Yul won... it should have been Ozzy.

Ellery
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:24 PM
I still look back fondly on Survivor Cook Islands. The incredible comeback of the Aitu 4 topped off by a Yul win. :worship:

Ditto :worship:

No Name Face
Nov 4th, 2007, 02:19 AM
And for the person that called Erik boring, how could you even know that? We've seen like 5 minutes of him all season.

....you just answered your own question.
If you want to fuck him, fine, but he's pretty boring dude.

Loved Cook Islands and I love this season.

Scotso
Nov 4th, 2007, 02:33 AM
....you just answered your own question.
If you want to fuck him, fine, but he's pretty boring dude.

I've admitted that I want to fuck him, and also that I don't find him very exciting. But we haven't seen much of him, so we don't know, really. He's in a band, so there must be something else about him. They haven't even showed him talking about that.

I don't pretend to be objective, but we really don't know anything about him, he hasn't gotten the favorable edit some of the others have received.

Denise4925
Nov 4th, 2007, 04:19 AM
I think Todd's "bitch" WAS meant to be a joke, and I thought it was hilarious. James' use was a lot more harsh, he really seems to have some issues with women. I don't think he's a bad guy, but he's a bit backwards and extremely uneducated.



I totally agree about James. :rolleyes: He's extremely backward when it comes to women.

Denise4925
Nov 4th, 2007, 04:21 AM
....you just answered your own question.
If you want to fuck him, fine, but he's pretty boring dude.

Loved Cook Islands and I love this season.

Unless he's so boring that they don't show much of him, we really don't know how he is based on how they've edited the show.

Ryan
Nov 4th, 2007, 12:50 PM
I thought what James said was hilarious and if it was insulting, Courtney of all people deserves it. She's been nothing but a whiny piece of crap since getting to China - she contributes nothing in tribal moral, in challenges :lol: , or at camp. She's basically another vote for Todd's group, and instead of realizing it and trying to sabatoge them she goes apeshit on JR, for no real concrete reason I can see, and whines about not having friends. James is straightforward - he appreciates the people that do work, and try to help him out. Todd, Amanda, Denise, and even JR I guess can be said to do that for him. Courtney? Not so much, and I hope he lets her know it soon enough.

Ellery
Nov 4th, 2007, 12:51 PM
I've admitted that I want to fuck him, and also that I don't find him very exciting. But we haven't seen much of him, so we don't know, really. He's in a band, so there must be something else about him. They haven't even showed him talking about that.

I don't pretend to be objective, but we really don't know anything about him, he hasn't gotten the favorable edit some of the others have received.

Too bad Erik is dating Jaime :p

No Name Face
Nov 4th, 2007, 01:08 PM
Unless he's so boring that they don't show much of him, we really don't know how he is based on how they've edited the show.

Well, can you think of a situation where a person wasn't boring and was edited as being boring? Erik probably doesn't give anything to the cameras, hence boring. (this is directed at scotso too)

He seems like a good, virtuous guy...not really good qualities for great TV, unless you're Earl. ;)

pancake
Nov 4th, 2007, 04:40 PM
The comeback of the Aitu 4 was great, but it missed out on being my favorite season ever when Yul won... it should have been Ozzy.

Well think about why Yul got the Hidden Immunity Idol, because Ozzy's tribe decided to throw the challenge, he indirectly helped Yul to be in such a good position, I can't see how 'it should have been Ozzy'.

canuckfan
Nov 9th, 2007, 01:12 AM
Another great episode!

It was just really funny how delusional Jean-Robert was. Best player in the game :lol: More like the worst. He's been terrible from day one.

Todd being all over the place might bite him in the ass sooner than later. Now he has probably lost Denise as an allie by not telling her about the vote.

Except if a big power shift happen, Amanda is still by far the best positioned player right now. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't get one vote against her.

Martian KC
Nov 9th, 2007, 02:16 AM
Uggh, it's becoming apparent who will end up in the final 3.

Ryan
Nov 9th, 2007, 02:19 AM
Who got voted out? JR? James? I was getting high and missed it. :eek:

Ellery
Nov 9th, 2007, 02:35 AM
JR got voted out (votes by James, Frosti, Courtney, Amanda and Todd). James did not play an idol, and he seemed to be shocked at the votes he got (Jean-Robert, Peih-Gee, Erik). Denise was left out of the loop and voted Peih-Gee.

Seriously though, why the heck did Courtney/Amanda/Todd/Frosti vote out Jean-Robert instead of James? James could turn out to be an immunity monster, has two idols, and is well liked. Jean-Robert is disliked universally, is not really an immunity threat. What a wasted opportunity to get rid of the most dangerous player right now. Idiots.

canuckfan
Nov 9th, 2007, 02:40 AM
JR got voted out (votes by James, Frosti, Courtney, Amanda and Todd).

Seriously though, why the heck did Courtney/Amanda/Todd/Frosti vote out Jean-Robert instead of James? James could turn out to be an immunity monster, has two idols, and is well liked. Jean-Robert is disliked universally, is not really an immunity threat. Idiots.

But I'm guessing James would be more loyal to Todd/Amanda than JR. JR would flip side at the first occasion, so they knew that it would be dangerous to keep him around too long.

drake3781
Nov 9th, 2007, 02:51 AM
I almost cried at TC when the votes were read, thinking it was James. I guess I like him more than I knew. It would have been hard to see him go out that way.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Nov 9th, 2007, 05:09 AM
Closest vote in some time. Todd shot himself when going all paranoia and not sticking to the plan.
PG,Erik or James need to go next for Todd

sfselesfan
Nov 9th, 2007, 06:00 AM
Why SF LOVES New Yorkers!

Jeff: "Courtney if you want to give your immunity to someone else you can at this time."

Courtney: "No, screw you guys."

SF

Scotso
Nov 9th, 2007, 07:06 AM
Frosti, Erik, and PG should have used the friction in the other tribe to try to vote out one of the ring leaders rather than one of the meathead pawns.

I like Frosti a lot, he seems like a nice, fun guy. But, he is really playing a stupid game. He has that "just stick around one more vote" mentality. He must know he's the first to go after Erik and PG. It doesn't really matter if you're 8th or 4th, you still lost.

Scotso
Nov 9th, 2007, 07:10 AM
Why SF LOVES New Yorkers!

Jeff: "Courtney if you want to give your immunity to someone else you can at this time."

Courtney: "No, screw you guys."

SF

I loved Courtney in this episode.

Seriously though, why the heck did Courtney/Amanda/Todd/Frosti vote out Jean-Robert instead of James? James could turn out to be an immunity monster, has two idols, and is well liked. Jean-Robert is disliked universally, is not really an immunity threat. What a wasted opportunity to get rid of the most dangerous player right now. Idiots.

I agree. Pretty dumb move. JR is useless and never would have been a threat.

Ryan
Nov 9th, 2007, 03:18 PM
Ok, I watched the episode on my DVR so I caught up before I checked the thread again to find out who went. It was really close - Im glad JR is gone but I think it would have been best to let PG go. Now the animosity and distrust will be up to such a level that Todd, Denise, James, Amanda, Courtney will start in-fighting and picking each other off while PG, Erik and Frosti sail through.

If James really wants to do well in this game he'll offer to give one Idol back to Todd, which would then seal his loyalty to him and probably convince Todd to keep him in the game longer. If he doesn't, he will definitely get blindsided really soon. Amanda still seems to be in the best position in this game; she's nice, does well in challenges without being a huge threat, helps around camp, and more importantly is always a major player in the strategic discussions. If she makes the final 3 no one can say she just tagged along, since she's been there on every vote and working with Todd as well as James and Courtney, she shouldnt have the label of of "floater".

If I had to guess what the preview meant about not going back to camp right after TC I'd bet it's voting someone back in (not from the jury), or doing another Immunity Challenge. I hope PG, Courtney or Erik goes next.

Xander
Nov 9th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Why SF LOVES New Yorkers!

Jeff: "Courtney if you want to give your immunity to someone else you can at this time."

Courtney: "No, screw you guys."

SF

I believe Courtney even said "yous guys". :lol:

Poor Denise. She falls into that category of players who make the merge who are a total outcast and have zero chance of winning. She understands how to play the game (she's conscious of not losing votes by screwing over ceratin people) but it doesn't matter. The jury will not reward her the money. I wish she had the guts to orchestrate the demise of the obvious Todd-Amanda-Courtney alliance. That would be her only chance to impress the jury but of course they'd still label her a "coat rider". :rolleyes:

And how about Jean-Robert's farewell comments? Can we say DELUSIONAL? :lol:

juki
Nov 9th, 2007, 03:53 PM
Why SF LOVES New Yorkers!

Jeff: "Courtney if you want to give your immunity to someone else you can at this time."

Courtney: "No, screw you guys."

SF

Courtney had a ton of great lines last night

"he's the susan lucci of tribal council"
"I am lazy" (it was the way she said it, I bursted out laughing)
Accepting immunity like winning a pageant

She's easily the best part of the season :worship: I loved how at the start of the season she did no challenges, but always won them. Then the one immunity challenge she does she completely blows, having the weakest performance like ever in a competition, loses it for her tribe, and didn't even get one vote in tribal council.

doni1212
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:14 PM
Courtney had a ton of great lines last night

"he's the susan lucci of tribal council"
"I am lazy" (it was the way she said it, I bursted out laughing)
Accepting immunity like winning a pageant

She's easily the best part of the season :worship: I loved how at the start of the season she did no challenges, but always won them. Then the one immunity challenge she does she completely blows, having the weakest performance like ever in a competition, loses it for her tribe, and didn't even get one vote in tribal council.

Not at all. She is the weakest player, and it was so obvious that the immunity challenge was in favor of the lighter players (weight wise). Since she weighs like 60 pounds, it was obvious she was going to win, :rolleyes:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:16 PM
Courtney ruled this episode that line was the best screw you guys.

Plus is that the best immunity challenge performance in survivor? She HARDLY moved throughout!

Scotso
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:22 PM
Courtney had a ton of great lines last night

"he's the susan lucci of tribal council"
"I am lazy" (it was the way she said it, I bursted out laughing)
Accepting immunity like winning a pageant

She's easily the best part of the season :worship: I loved how at the start of the season she did no challenges, but always won them. Then the one immunity challenge she does she completely blows, having the weakest performance like ever in a competition, loses it for her tribe, and didn't even get one vote in tribal council.

Yes, those lines were hilarious. I never really liked her until last night, all she seemed to be was a major complainer. But this last episode she started to show more of her personality, and I like it. I also have a feeling that she might get a lot more agreeable to be around now that JR is gone. She really hates him, and I don't blame her.

She's definitely one of those people that sails through by being loud and in your face rather than quiet and invisible. It's working for her. And I'm not even sure if she's really that weak, though I suppose there's a good chance of that, considering her size. But she might also be sucking in most things on purpose so no one will see her as a threat at all. I think she's smarter and more devious than she lets on, I wouldn't be surprised to see her in the final three.

Scotso
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:26 PM
If James really wants to do well in this game he'll offer to give one Idol back to Todd, which would then seal his loyalty to him and probably convince Todd to keep him in the game longer.

If I had to guess what the preview meant about not going back to camp right after TC I'd bet it's voting someone back in (not from the jury), or doing another Immunity Challenge. I hope PG, Courtney or Erik goes next.

I think Todd would still screw him over. I'm starting to not really care for Todd that much. He's an interesting person, but a bit unstable. I think he's let the idea that he is the ring leader go to his head in a very bad way.

I was thinking that the not going back thing meant that they were just going to immediately vote off another person. That would be interesting, since people wouldn't really know how to vote. I also found it interesting which of the players they chose not to show looking shocked after that announcement.

You seem to hope that the one tribe sails through. That's boring. :p I want some in-fighting and surprise. I want Denise to bail on her alliance and join with Frosti (who would also be bailing, I suppose), PG, and Erik.

Scotso
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:27 PM
I believe Courtney even said "yous guys". :lol:

Poor Denise. She falls into that category of players who make the merge who are a total outcast and have zero chance of winning. She understands how to play the game (she's conscious of not losing votes by screwing over ceratin people) but it doesn't matter. The jury will not reward her the money. I wish she had the guts to orchestrate the demise of the obvious Todd-Amanda-Courtney alliance. That would be her only chance to impress the jury but of course they'd still label her a "coat rider". :rolleyes:

And how about Jean-Robert's farewell comments? Can we say DELUSIONAL? :lol:

JR is just an idiot. Biggest loser ever.

I really don't think that Denise would still be labelled a coat-rider if she did that.

Scotso
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:29 PM
Not at all. She is the weakest player, and it was so obvious that the immunity challenge was in favor of the lighter players (weight wise). Since she weighs like 60 pounds, it was obvious she was going to win, :rolleyes:

PG went out early, and she couldn't weigh that much more. Todd also looks extremely light. This challenge wasn't about weight at all, it was about balance. Courtney was completely calm the entire time, didn't move a muscle for the entire competition. That's why she won.

Ellery
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:29 PM
Yeah Courtney may weigh little, but she probably doesn't way much less than Todd or even, Peih-Gee, so it's not like she had a huge advantage or anything.

juki
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:30 PM
Not at all. She is the weakest player, and it was so obvious that the immunity challenge was in favor of the lighter players (weight wise). Since she weighs like 60 pounds, it was obvious she was going to win, :rolleyes:

Without Courtney I would find this season pretty dull. James and Todd are annoying and the rest now that J.R is gone have the personality of wallpaper (well they're edited like that). A lot of the interesting people left early. And I find the fact that she can be so weak, so inept, yet still skate through and own the competition hilarious. And there have been so many challenges this season favoring the strong, powerful players, it was about time they had a challenge someone smaller could win.

Courtney :hearts:

Ellery
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:31 PM
I am really liking Courtney right now, unfortunately, first impressions leave a strong mark, and I still can't forget her unacceptable rudeness in the Buddhist temple in episode 1. If it wasn't for that, she would probably be my favorite player right now.

Xander
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Yeah Courtney may weigh little, but she probably doesn't way much less than Todd or even, Peih-Gee, so it's not like she had a huge advantage or anything.

She's only made it this far because she's not a physical threat, and more importantly, she's part of the dominating Todd and Amanda alliance.

Scotso
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:33 PM
I was also just noticing that models seems to do extremely well in this competition. Other than that idiot, Dave.

Scotso
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:35 PM
She's only made it this far because she's not a physical threat, and more importantly, she's part of the dominating Todd and Amanda alliance.

Couldn't you say the same for Todd? A lot of this game is the luck of the draw. As Denise said to PG, "you were on the wrong tribe."

Xander
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:38 PM
Couldn't you say the same for Todd? A lot of this game is the luck of the draw. As Denise said to PG, "you were on the wrong tribe."

Todd's doing the orchestrating. Courtney is not. She shrugged when they asked who should go.

juki
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:41 PM
Speaking of modeling, if you google courtney yates, you can see her portfolio (including a topless pic)at ID models, its one of the first links that come up. She has some really nice photos, most seem to make her a rock/punk type of girl.

To change topic a little here is how I think the boot order will go down
F8- P.G
F7- Eric
F6- Todd (others realise how dangerous he is)
F5- Courtney (weak link)
F4- Frosty
F3- Denise
F2- Amanda
F1- James winning

Whats some other people predictions?

Xander
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:46 PM
Did anyone notice the opening credits last night? If you did, how long have they been doing it like that? I didn't see it from the beginning - did they show the first 6 people evicted first? I caught it from current tribe members followed by "jury" and Jaime's photo.

sfselesfan
Nov 9th, 2007, 04:47 PM
I love everyone getting on my Courtney bandwagon...remember I called CourtneyOwnage first! j/k

"Susan Lucci of Tribal Council" was hysterical...I'd forgotten about that one.

SF

Denise4925
Nov 9th, 2007, 05:17 PM
I wish James had been voted out last night. He gets on my last nerve. :rolleyes: JR is at least entertaining.

KBdoubleu
Nov 9th, 2007, 05:23 PM
Frosti SHOULD be in a good spot right now. However, he is trying to play both sides too much and could be out very soon.
Peih Ghee I think is playing a good game. She has the potential to be in a power position if Denise/Courtney realize they are going to be the first ones voted out of their alliance. Erik is in a similar position to Peih Ghee. Amanda/Todd are of course in a good position. Amanda is playing a better game though. Todd is thinking too hard. He should've voted out James this episode. James will be top 5 by virtue of having the immunity idols. Courtney/Denise have to realize their positions in the game, if they do they can really shift the game by orchestrating a surprise eviction of Todd or Amanda.

Zombielicious
Nov 9th, 2007, 08:56 PM
OMFGYAY. JR went homeee! I was really thinking it was going to be James. I'm glad its not, he's the only one I really enjoy in this show. :)

IceHock
Nov 9th, 2007, 09:40 PM
James needs to leave and Todd is way overestimating his power, the one thing im looking forward too is how JR said if Todd makes the top 2 he's gunna destroy him somehow, so i kinda wanna see todd there to see what JR does even though it will be something retarded, but I can't stand Todd, he think's he's hot shit.

No Name Face
Nov 9th, 2007, 11:54 PM
I'm liking Courtney.
Also rooting for James.

Tennisace
Nov 10th, 2007, 01:08 AM
James needs to leave and Todd is way overestimating his power, the one thing im looking forward too is how JR said if Todd makes the top 2 he's gunna destroy him somehow, so i kinda wanna see todd there to see what JR does even though it will be something retarded, but I can't stand Todd, he think's he's hot shit.

I was thinking about JR's comments on how he was going to campaign hard to sway everyone else on the jury if Todd screwed him over. But really is anyone going to listen to JR? People couldn't stand him in the game and never wanted to listen to him then so I doubt he would have much influence on them in the jury.

Meteor Shower
Nov 10th, 2007, 08:01 AM
I d/l the last few episodes to see if the season is that good.
Its a nice season :)

Amanda's ass blurred :sad:
I love how Todd bitches at anyone but her, but she only bitches at Todd :lol:

Ellery
Nov 10th, 2007, 01:05 PM
I d/l the last few episodes to see if the season is that good.
Its a nice season :)

Amanda's ass blurred :sad:
I love how Todd bitches at anyone but her, but she only bitches at Todd :lol:


I wonder if there was some way for Amanda to cover up before going to the village. I mean it's not very classy to go to a thousand-year-old village with your ass showing :rolleyes:

Zombielicious
Nov 10th, 2007, 04:27 PM
I was so shocked that COURTNEY won the challenge. :eek:

Scotso
Nov 10th, 2007, 05:21 PM
I wonder if there was some way for Amanda to cover up before going to the village. I mean it's not very classy to go to a thousand-year-old village with your ass showing :rolleyes:

It's possible that she didn't know. When they're that dirty, it's probably hard to tell the difference between grime and clothing. :p

No Name Face
Nov 10th, 2007, 10:22 PM
I wonder if there was some way for Amanda to cover up before going to the village. I mean it's not very classy to go to a thousand-year-old village with your ass showing :rolleyes:

:rolls:
i don't know why but this made me LOL

Meesh
Nov 11th, 2007, 06:43 AM
I really like this season! James cracks me up with his comments. I like his comment about Eric looking and sounding so cute to try to save himself. :lol:
- I like Courtney too... Todd's become annoying and they better watch out. I think the bus driver lady could go with Eric, PG and maybe Courtney???

Ryan
Nov 11th, 2007, 02:02 PM
I still hate courtney. :barf: She's not throwing challenges, she doesn't have enough talent to throw anything. :o

Scotso
Nov 11th, 2007, 05:31 PM
I still hate courtney. :barf: She's not throwing challenges, she doesn't have enough talent to throw anything. :o

I think you would like "Big Girl (You Are Beautiful)" by Mika. :lol:

Ryan
Nov 11th, 2007, 06:15 PM
I think you would like "Big Girl (You Are Beautiful)" by Mika. :lol:



Why? I dont like fat chicks, but I like them to have something besides skin and bony ass elbows. :shrug:

drake3781
Nov 12th, 2007, 12:56 AM
I don't like Courtney either (I think)... still don't have a lot to go on for many of these people. :shrug:

I think I like: Denise, PG
Maybe like: James, Amanda, Frosti
Not sure about: Todd, Erik
Maybe dislike: Courtney

No Name Face
Nov 12th, 2007, 01:00 AM
Like: PG, Denise, James, Courtney, Todd
Neutral: Eric, Amanda, Frosti
Dislike: :shrug:

First time I've generally liked/felt neutral towards the top 8 survivors...i was even neutral towards JR and jaime, so it goes back to top 10. and if you want to get even more technical, i liked sherea and aaron so that's 12. i think the only survivor i didn't like was dave! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Scotso
Nov 12th, 2007, 01:41 AM
Dave was the only one I didn't like, too.

Ellery
Nov 13th, 2007, 06:53 PM
All the people I disliked strongly are out already (before the jury) so I find this a rather likable cast. Then again, maybe we´ll have to wait until the final tribal council, to see who is really an asshole (Alex, Lisi, Rocky anyone) :tape:

Martian KC
Nov 13th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Courtney has made the most hilarious tidbits all season long and for that I'm glad she's still sticking around.

Scotso
Nov 13th, 2007, 08:46 PM
All the people I disliked strongly are out already (before the jury) so I find this a rather likable cast. Then again, maybe we´ll have to wait until the final tribal council, to see who is really an asshole (Alex, Lisi, Rocky anyone) :tape:

Alex and Lisi were so fucking retarded. I was completely shocked that they could be so stupid. I'll never understand why people would act like that on national TV, with millions of people watching. Do they think it makes them look cool? If so, they're horribly mistaken.

No Name Face
Nov 13th, 2007, 10:05 PM
omg at alex and lisi. to call them dumbasses is an understatement for real

Ellery
Nov 13th, 2007, 11:22 PM
Lisi definitely wasn't too bright. I still remember her asking Dreamz how many 0's in a million, and when Dreamz answered 6, Lisi's face went like, huh, for a moment, before realizing that was the correct answer :help: And Lisi talking somehow about Cassandra's shoes. WTF :confused: I don't remember specifically what Alex said, (not that I want to remember), but they were both so spiteful, poor Cassandra really didn't deserve that shit (well, no one does). It was just a terribly cringeworthy tribal council. On second thought, Rocky wasn't actually that bad.

Ryan
Nov 14th, 2007, 01:04 AM
It was insane just how stupid Alex and Lisi were, not to mention delusional and arrogant. I like most people this season: Amanda, James, Erik, Frosti are probably my favorites right now, followed by Todd, and then Denise and PG. The only one I really dont like is Courtney. They should break her twig arms and use them for firewood, its more use than she's been all game haha.

stickwitju(ju)
Nov 14th, 2007, 01:10 AM
It was insane just how stupid Alex and Lisi were, not to mention delusional and arrogant. I like most people this season: Amanda, James, Erik, Frosti are probably my favorites right now, followed by Todd, and then Denise and PG. The only one I really dont like is Courtney. They should break her twig arms and use them for firewood, its more use than she's been all game haha.

:haha:

Scotso
Nov 14th, 2007, 04:00 AM
Yes, Courtney is way too skinny, but constantly making fun of that is no better than making fun of someone for being fat. You guys had your laughs, it's kind of time to get over it now.

Ryan
Nov 14th, 2007, 11:46 AM
Yes, Courtney is way too skinny, but constantly making fun of that is no better than making fun of someone for being fat. You guys had your laughs, it's kind of time to get over it now.



Thanks for the wise words chief. :rolleyes: I'm making fun of her because she's a useless bitch, that happens to be on the verge of anorexia.

Ellery
Nov 14th, 2007, 12:11 PM
Actually, I saw on another forum a pic of modelling Courtney and she looks fine.

sfselesfan
Nov 14th, 2007, 02:40 PM
My Freudian analysis. Everyone obsessing about Courtney being skinny, probably has a fat ass.

SF

stickwitju(ju)
Nov 14th, 2007, 03:19 PM
My Freudian analysis. Everyone obsessing about Courtney being skinny, probably has a fat ass.

SF

You must like blondes and don't care if she has no body at all. No other reason that you'd be so enamored with that bag of bones.

:wavey:

sfselesfan
Nov 14th, 2007, 04:15 PM
^^ I guess I struck home.

*Note to self. Add stickwitju(ju) to the list of fat-asses.*

SF

Denise4925
Nov 14th, 2007, 05:28 PM
^^ I guess I struck home.

*Note to self. Add stickwitju(ju) to the list of fat-asses.*

SF

:lol:

Does anyone remember what Alex said at TC last season? I don't remember.

stickwitju(ju)
Nov 14th, 2007, 06:01 PM
^^ I guess I struck home.

We both hit home runs then. If Courtney wasn't blonde and Caucasian, you wouldn't even be defending the anorexia poster child.

^^ *Note to self. Add stickwitju(ju) to the list of fat-asses.*

SF

*Note to self. Add sfselesfan to the list of colorstruck bulimic blonde-loving poofs. *

sfselesfan
Nov 14th, 2007, 06:10 PM
We both hit home runs then. If Courtney wasn't blonde and Caucasian, you wouldn't even be defending the anorexia poster child.

My 6'3", 220 lbs., latino husband would not be supportive of your argument. Freudian analysis of my appreciation for Courtney comes from the fact that, as a gay man, I have a true affinity for mouthy bitches.

SF

stickwitju(ju)
Nov 14th, 2007, 06:14 PM
My 6'3", 220 lbs., latino husband would not be supportive of your argument. Freudian analysis of my appreciation for Courtney comes from the fact that, as a gay man, I have a true affinity for mouthy bitches.

SF

That's what I said:

colorstruck bulimic blonde-loving poof

:wavey:

griffin
Nov 14th, 2007, 06:19 PM
:lol:

Does anyone remember what Alex said at TC last season? I don't remember.

Nice summation of his jury rant:
http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/portal/site/TelevisionWithoutPity/menuitem.766266d5c663f366b180b41045001d30/?vgnextoid=824b321bde2a2110VgnVCM1000006dc1d240RCR D&currentPage=17&ShowName=Survivor

sfselesfan and stickwitju(ju) - which one of you is trying to play Lisi and which one is trying to play Alex?

sfselesfan
Nov 14th, 2007, 06:21 PM
I call Lisi (another "mouthy bitch"...or poor man's Courtney).

Griffin, are you Dreamz?

SF