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Cp6uja
Sep 21st, 2007, 01:33 AM
Justine Henin leading the list

8 of TOP8 will be here

Still no withdraws

RR (Round Robin) is from Henin to Williams

Qualies: NO qualies
Wilde Cards: NO wilde cards
Alternates: Hantuchova, Petrova, Bartoli.

Cp6uja
Sep 21st, 2007, 01:34 AM
Any girl from Belgium, Russia, Serbia or USA?

Cp6uja
Sep 21st, 2007, 01:36 AM
Any girl from Belgium, Russia, Serbia or USA?Henin
Kuznetsova, Sharapova, Chakvetadze
Jankovic, Ivanovic
Williams and Wiliams

-sugi-
Sep 21st, 2007, 07:45 AM
wtf :o
isn't it obvious :rolleyes:

In The Zone
Sep 30th, 2007, 12:26 AM
LOL @ the previous posts.

In The Zone
Sep 30th, 2007, 12:27 AM
As of 29/09/07.

QUALIFIERS
Justine Henin.
Jelena Jankovic.
Svetlana Kuznetsova.
Ana Ivanovic.

Renalicious
Sep 30th, 2007, 01:38 PM
LMAO. At the first few posts.

Vlad Tepes
Oct 1st, 2007, 03:08 PM
Justine Henin leading the list

8 of TOP8 will be here

Still no withdraws

RR (Round Robin) is from Henin to Williams

Qualies: NO qualies
Wilde Cards: NO wilde cards
Alternates: Hantuchova, Petrova, Bartoli.

Any girl from Belgium, Russia, Serbia or USA?

Henin
Kuznetsova, Sharapova, Chakvetadze
Jankovic, Ivanovic
Williams and Wiliams

:cuckoo: :rolleyes:

Just Do It
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:32 PM
:lol:

Anyway, can anyone update YEC list here ?

Jorn
Oct 9th, 2007, 02:06 PM
Updated Race List: Oct. 9th


1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4095.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3386.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
----------------------------------------------------
5 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2627.00 (MO R1) 430-430-275=3762
6 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2466.00 (MO R1) 430-430=3326
7 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2430.00 (MO R1) 430-430-275=3565
8 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2405.00 (TH R1) 140=2545
---
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2096.00 (none) 430-275=2801
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 1989.00 (MO R2 +60) 430-275=2694
11 PETROVA, NADIA RUS 1864.00 (none) 430-275=2569
12 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1707.00 (MO R1) 430-430-275=2842
13 PEER, SHAHAR ISR 1683.00 (TH R2 +20) 120-430-275-140=2658
14 GOLOVIN, TATIANA FRA 1618.00 17 1135=2753
15 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 1592.00 18 1135=2727
16 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1571.00 (MO R2 +60) 1075=2646


Still players down to Vaidisova can make it IN TOP 8.

Points last in the row, are maximum points winning last tournaments to be played.

Jorn
Oct 10th, 2007, 05:51 PM
Updated Race List:

1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4095.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3386.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
-----------------------------------------------------
5 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2627.00 (MO R1) 430-430-275=3762
6 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2466.00 (MO R1) 430-430=3326
7 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (MO R2 +1) 430-275=3565
8 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2405.00 (TH R1) 140=2545
------------------------------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2096.00 (none) 430-275=2801
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 1989.00 (MO R2 +60) 430-275=2694
11 PETROVA, NADIA RUS 1864.00 (none) 430-275=2569
12 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1767.00 (MO R1 +60) 370-430-275=2842
14 PEER, SHAHAR ISR 1683.00 (TH R2 +20) 120-430-275-140=2658
15 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 1702.00 (MO R2 +110) 1025=2727
16 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1571.00 (MO R2 +60) 1075=2646


Edited: I removed Patty and Mauresmo who won't make TOP 8, but they can still finish as ALT.

Jorn
Oct 11th, 2007, 03:27 PM
Updated Race List: Updated 11. Oct.


1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4095.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3386.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
-----------------------------------------------------
5 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2627.00 (MO R2 +1) 430-275=3332
6 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2576.00 (MO QF +110) 320-430=3326
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2440.00 (TH QF +35) 105=2545
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (MO R2 +1) 430-275=3136
------------------------------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2096.00 (none) 430-275=2801
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 1989.00 (MO R2 +60) 430-275=2694
11 PETROVA, NADIA RUS 1864.00 (none) 275=2139
12 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1817.00 (MO QF +110) 320-430-275=2842
14 PEER, SHAHAR ISR 1698.00 (TH QF +35) 105-430-275-140=2658
15 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 1702.00 (MO QF +110) 1025=2727
16 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1621.00 (MO QF +110) 1025=2646


Anna Chaky. not sure in yet, as she lost today in first match in Moscow.

Renalicious
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:07 AM
You get Venus' numbers wrong...the first digit is supposed to start with a three.

Jorn
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Updated Race List: 13. Oct.


1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4095.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2766.00
----------------------------------
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2627.00 (MO R2 +1) 275=2902
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00 (TH SF +65) (none)=2470
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (MO R2 +1) 430-275=3136
-------------------------------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2096.00 (none) 430-275=2801
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 1989.00 (MO R2 +60) 430-275=2694
11 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1902.00 (MO SF +195) 430-275=2607
12 PETROVA, NADIA RUS 1864.00 (none) 275=2139
14 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 1882.00 (MO SF +300) 560=2452
15 PEER, SHAHAR ISR 1698.00 (TH QF +35) 430-275-140=2553


Serena now IN, Will Venus play more Tournaments? (Some can still overtake here, Daniela winning in Zurich)

Jorn
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:33 PM
Venus has 2470 points.

Jorn
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:35 PM
btw, As only one of ElenaD, Bartoli or Daniela can win in Zurich, Anna Chak. are petty much sure In also.

Jorn
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:21 PM
Updated Race List: Updated 14. Oct.

1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4095.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3776.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2766.00
----------------------------------
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2627.00 (none) 275=2902
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00 (none)=2470
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (none)=2431
-------------------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2096.00 430-275=2801
10 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 2022.00 (MO win +430) 430=2452
11 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 1989.00 (MO R2 +60) 430-275=2694
12 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1902.00 (MO SF +195) 430-275=2607
13 PETROVA, NADIA RUS 1864.00 (none) 275=2139
14 PEER, SHAHAR ISR 1698.00 (TH QF +35) 430-275-140=2553
15 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1621.00 (MO QF +110) 705=2326

Masha don't play more Tournaments before the YEC so 4 players is in the race to take her Spot. Anna C. is 99.9% in, if Venus don't play more and I don't know if any player in the Race will Enter the Quebec Tournament.

Renalicious
Oct 15th, 2007, 11:18 AM
Venus has 2470 points.

Sorry, what I meant was that you got other people's wrong (you started the number with 3, but it actually starts with two)

But I see that you have fixed it, so yeah. Thanks for the updates btw.

Jorn
Oct 16th, 2007, 12:14 PM
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2096.00 (430-275-140=2941)

ex: Daniela has current 2096 points, IF winning her tournaments she can get total 2941. Unsure if she plays in Quebec, but maybe if she's near the YEC. and the 9 spot may move into the List of players if someone withdraw. They mainly play for that 9th spot this and next week.

FrchTwst
Oct 17th, 2007, 03:49 AM
If the person isn't listed below, mathematically they won't be in Madrid this year.
430= Moscow
275= Linz
140= Quebec City

#9 Hantuchova 2096 ( +430 +275) = 2801
#10 Dementieva 2022 (+430) = 2522 ( sharapova has to lose in the 1st round of Linz, or elena won't qualify)
#11 Bartoli 1989 (+430, 275) = 2694
#16 Vaidisova 1621 (+845) = 2466( sharapova has to lose in the 1st round of Linz, or Nicole won't qualify)
#17 Golovin 1618 (+845) = 2463 (sharapova has to lose in the 1st round of Linz, or Tatiana won't qualify)

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:59 AM
Updated after 16. Oct.

1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4096.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
----------------------------------
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00 (none) 275-140=3042
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00 (none)=2470
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (none) 275=2706
----------------------------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2156.00 (ZU R2 +60) 370-275-140?=2941
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2049.00 (ZU R2 +60) 370-275-140?=2834
11 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 2023.00 (ZU R1) 430=2452
12 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1903.00 (ZU R1 +1) 275=2178
13 SCHNYDER, PATTY SUI 1746.00 (ZU R2 +60) 370-275=2391
14 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1681.00 (ZU R2 +60) 645-140=2466
15 GOLOVON, TATIANA FRA 1678 (ZU R2 +60) 785=2463

FrchTwst
Oct 17th, 2007, 03:12 PM
If the person isn't listed below, mathematically they won't be in Madrid this year.
430= Moscow
275= Linz
140= Quebec City

#9 Hantuchova 2096 ( +430 +275) = 2801
#11 Bartoli 1989 (+430, 275) = 2694
#16 Vaidisova 1621 (+845) = 2466( sharapova has to lose in the 1st round of Linz, or Nicole won't qualify)
#17 Golovin 1618 (+845) = 2463 (sharapova has to lose in the 1st round of Linz, or Tatiana won't qualify)


Dementieva is out since she lost in the 1st round of Zurich.

Jorn
Oct 18th, 2007, 02:35 PM
Updated Race List: (Updated 18. Oct.)


1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4096.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00
---------------------------------------------------------
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00 (none)=2470.00
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (none)=2431.00
----------------------------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2156.00 (ZU R2 +60) 275=2431
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2099.00 (ZU QF +110) 320-275=2694
11 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1903.00 (ZU R1 +1) 275=2178
12 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1731.00 (ZU QF +110) 595-140=2466
13 GOLOVON, TATIANA FRA 1728 (ZU QF +110) 735=2463

Aga beat Dani so Marion can overtake the 9th spot if she can beat Golovin tomorrow.

Jorn
Oct 19th, 2007, 11:53 AM
It seems Masha out of Linz.

Anybody know what will happen if Daniela and Maria finish on same points?

FrchTwst
Oct 19th, 2007, 04:23 PM
i remember reading somewhere that a tie break match would take place in Madrid to determine the 8th place. But i can't find where I read that.

Jorn
Oct 19th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Updated Race List: (Updated 19. Oct)


1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4096.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00
---------------------------------
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00 (none)=2470
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (none)=2431
-------------------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2156.00 (ZU R2 +60) 275-140?=2571
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2099.00 (ZU QF +110) 275-140?=2514
11 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1903.00 (ZU R1 +1) 275=2178
12 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1816.00 (ZU SF +195) 510-140=2466
13 GOLOVON, TATIANA FRA 1813 (ZU QF +195) 510-140=2463

430=Zurich
275=Linz
140=Quebec City

Jorn
Oct 19th, 2007, 08:40 PM
Due to info from the Quebec Forum, Marion and Dani will not play in Canada, wildcard given. So Masha IN, unless Tati or Nicole wins 3 tournaments.

Jorn
Oct 20th, 2007, 04:42 PM
Updated Race List: (Updated 20. Oct.)

1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4096.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00
---------------------------------
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00 (none)=2470
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (none)=2431
-------------------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2156.00 (ZU R2 +60) 275-140?=2571
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2099.00 (ZU QF +110) 275-140?=2514
11 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 2023.00 19 (none)=2023
12 GOLOVON, TATIANA FRA 1918 (ZU F +300) 405-140=2463
13 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1903.00 (ZU R1 +1) 275=2178
14 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1816.00 (ZU SF +195) 275-140=2231

If Daniela and Marion don't play in Quebec, only Tatiana with a small chance to overtake the 8th Spot. Most likely they fight for the 9th ALT Spot.

FrchTwst
Oct 20th, 2007, 05:27 PM
Hantuchova 2156 Linz
Bartoli 2099 Linz

Both are playing for the 9th spot.

Unless Golovin wins in Zurich, and does decent in both Linz and Quebec City.

Jorn
Oct 20th, 2007, 06:38 PM
I add ElenaD in the List, because if someone from TOP 8 withdraws, the 10th player may travel to Madrid? and some says Marion is bad injured and won't play more in 2007, but unconfirmed info as she's in the Linz draw...

Jorn
Oct 21st, 2007, 02:31 PM
Updated Race List: (Updated 21. Oct), (TOP 6 not Updated)


1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4096.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00
--------------------------------------
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00 (none)=2470
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (none)=2431
-------------------------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2156.00 (Linz R1 +1) 275-140?=2571
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2099.00 (Linz R1 +1) 275-140?=2514
11 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 2023.00 19 (none)=2023
12 GOLOVON, TATIANA FRA 1918 (Zinz R1 +1) 275-140=2333
13 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1903.00 (Linz R1 +1) 275=2178
14 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1816.00 (Linz R1 +1) 275-140=2231


275=Linz
140=Quebec City

Tati lost so she's out from the YEC Race TOP 8. But still in the No. 9 ALT Spot Race.

Ithink tomorrow or Tuesday we'll hear if Marion can play Linz...

Cp6uja
Oct 22nd, 2007, 04:21 AM
Updated Race List: (Updated 21. Oct), (TOP 6 not Updated)


1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4096.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00
--------------------------------------
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00 (none)=2470
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (none)=2431
-------------------------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2156.00 (Linz R1 +1) 275-140?=2571
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2099.00 (Linz R1 +1) 275-140?=2514
11 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 2023.00 19 (none)=2023
12 GOLOVON, TATIANA FRA 1918 (Zinz R1 +1) 275-140=2333
13 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1903.00 (Linz R1 +1) 275=2178
14 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1816.00 (Linz R1 +1) 275-140=2231


275=Linz
140=Quebec City

Tati lost so she's out from the YEC Race TOP 8. But still in the No. 9 ALT Spot Race.

Ithink tomorrow or Tuesday we'll hear if Marion can play Linz...OMG.. what you doing with my thread :eek: :eek: :eek: ? I already in september present here full (all 8) entry list...

__________________________________________________ _____________

And here is SEEDS:


1. Henin
2. Kuznetsova

3. Jankovic
4. Ivanovic

5-6. Serena W.
5-6. Chakvetadze

7. Venus W.
8. Sharapova
__________________________________________________ _____________

Quebec City results is not counted for YEC (YEC DRAW is in same day when is Quebec final!) so forget about this points! That means Venus is 100% sure already for Madrid and if Hantuchova win title at Linz she will have equal number of points like Sharapova. For all other positions when two players is tied (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th) that means adventage for Dani in case like this (because she played more tournaments than Maria this season) - but only for #8 spot WTA have right to give advantage to Ma$a $arapova (and guess what will be WTA & Larry Scott deci$$ion :devil: ) - so Maria is 99% (even if Dani win in Linz) #8 seed in Madrid! You update this list for alternates - not for seed... and only if some seed will withdraw Dani, Bartoli or even Golovin will play at YEC this year...

In The Zone
Oct 22nd, 2007, 06:38 AM
Quebec City results is not counted for YEC (YEC DRAW is in same day when is Quebec final!) so forget about this points! That means Venus is 100% sure already for Madrid and if Hantuchova win title at Linz she will have equal number of points like Sharapova. For all other positions when two players is tied (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th) that means adventage for Dani in case like this (because she played more tournaments than Maria this season) - but only for #8 spot WTA have right to give advantage to Ma$a $arapova (and guess what will be WTA & Larry Scott deci$$ion :devil: ) - so Maria is 99% (even if Dani win in Linz) #8 seed in Madrid! You update this list for alternates - not for seed... and only if some seed will withdraw Dani, Bartoli or even Golovin will play at YEC this year...

This entire paragraph is wrong.

Of course Quebec City counts for the YEC. It's not the YEAR ENDING MINUS ONE WEEK CHAMPIONSHIPS TOURNAMENT. Venus is not 100% in yet. And if Maria and Daniela tie, Daniela gets in. As much as Larry wants Maria in, it won't happen.

Cp6uja
Oct 22nd, 2007, 01:32 PM
This entire paragraph is wrong.

Of course Quebec City counts for the YEC. It's not the YEAR ENDING MINUS ONE WEEK CHAMPIONSHIPS TOURNAMENT. Venus is not 100% in yet. And if Maria and Daniela tie, Daniela gets in. As much as Larry wants Maria in, it won't happen.Quebec City results will counted for YEC 2007 RACE but is NOT RELEVANT for YEC draw!!! (like Sydnay for AO, Strasbourg for RG, Eastbourne for Wimbledon and New Haven for USO draw). YEC draw will be ready in Sunday November 5th and points from Quebec will come in Monday 6th November (to late obviously)... so Venus is already qualify...

If Masha and Dani have equal number of points (if Dani won Linz) Hantuchova will be better placed according to rules because played more WTA events this season - but only exception is they both equal for #8 position. In that case WTA board will decide who will play and Maria chances is not 99% like i say, but atleast 80% if Maria want to play. Of course WTA will never say that reason is $$$ and publicity... explanation will be probably "because she played slam final in 2007"... or something like that. But anyway, Hantuchova is in good shape right now but tired - and her chances to win Linz is about 1/5...

-sugi-
Oct 22nd, 2007, 02:10 PM
OMG.. what you doing with my thread :eek: :eek: :eek: ? I already in september present here full (all 8) entry list...
:spit: :haha:

Slutiana
Oct 22nd, 2007, 08:04 PM
Quebec City results will counted for YEC 2007 RACE but is NOT RELEVANT for YEC draw!!! (like Sydnay for AO, Strasbourg for RG, Eastbourne for Wimbledon and New Haven for USO draw). YEC draw will be ready in Sunday November 5th and points from Quebec will come in Monday 6th November (to late obviously)... so Venus is already qualify...



But then wth does Quebec count for then? Of course it counts. It doesn't count for the 2008 Race so of course it counts for YEC. They'd probably have to do the draw by seeds instead of names and then just fill in the names as they go along. e.g:

Red group has

1
3
5
7

Gold (or w.e colour it is :o)
2
4
6
8

Cp6uja
Oct 23rd, 2007, 12:18 AM
But then wth does Quebec count for then? Of course it counts. It doesn't count for the 2008 Race so of course it counts for YEC. They'd probably have to do the draw by seeds instead of names and then just fill in the names as they go along. e.g:
Maybe that or maybe they change date of Draw ceremony and first time ever draw will be in monday, just one day before start of championship. In past when YEC is based in NY/LA last season tournament is in Philadelphia, and last year when YEC is played in Madrid - in Belgium. But how stupid they are to put this season last tournament at North America when SEC is played in Europe!?

BTW i still think that WTA #8 YEC spot exception rule will fav "marketing queen" Sharapova in order of Hantuchova, so if Dani want to play in Madrid i think she must overtake both - Maria and Venus and that will be very hard mission for her.

If Maria will play YEC - Anna Chakvetadze if want to be 5/6 SEC seed with Serena must win her 1st match in Linz (against Schiavone/Srebotnik winner) to overtake Sharapova on official WTA ranking. She actualy have chances to overtake Serena too, but #5 and #6 seed is in the same position at draw so who cares about that.

In The Zone
Oct 23rd, 2007, 12:47 AM
Maybe that or maybe they change date of Draw ceremony and first time ever draw will be in monday, just one day before start of championship. In past when YEC is based in NY/LA last season tournament is in Philadelphia, and last year when YEC is played in Madrid - in Belgium. But how stupid they are to put this season last tournament at North America when SEC is played in Europe!?

BTW i still think that WTA #8 YEC spot exception rule will fav "marketing queen" Sharapova in order of Hantuchova, so if Dani want to play in Madrid i think she must overtake both - Maria and Venus and that will be very hard mission for her.

If Maria will play YEC - Anna Chakvetadze if want to be 5/6 SEC seed with Serena must win her 1st match in Linz (against Schiavone/Srebotnik winner) to overtake Sharapova on official WTA ranking. She actualy have chances to overtake Serena too, but #5 and #6 seed is in the same position at draw so who cares about that.

The WTA would never institute that rule. It's just there as a safeguard. If Venus didn't get in 2004 or 2005, Sharapova is not getting it in 2007. I don't even think she'd play, she won't want to go 0-3. Quebec counts and the seeds are based on the Race rankings -- not the ranking rankings. This is a mess.

Just Do It
Oct 23rd, 2007, 02:05 PM
Just dont tell me Henin,Jankovic and Williams sisters are in the same group ?

Cp6uja
Oct 23rd, 2007, 10:41 PM
I don't even think she'd play, she won't want to go 0-3. Quebec counts and the seeds are based on the Race rankings -- not the ranking rankings. This is a mess.Eight players which will play will be choosen based on the Race rankings - but for seeds order is important WTA official ranking and because Maria played YEC 2006 (SF) and Venus and Anna not - she is right now #6 seed if she qualify at SEC and if Chakvetadze not overtake her this week at Linz.

I dont know why you so sure that Maria dont want to play this tournament... she won SEC in 2004 like underdog girl and also look at 2007 competition... other girls is mostly injuried, extremly tired or in bad shape. In her last 4 sets which she played Serena won only two games (!??!?), Venus last two loses (Razzano and Peneta) is against non-TOP30 players, and Ana and Jelena also lose they last two matches (including non-TOP30 players like Yan or K.Bondarenko). Against Chakvetadze Maria never have problems (even injury Maria) so i dont see that 0-3 result MUST be her score in Madrid.

In The Zone
Oct 24th, 2007, 02:25 AM
Eight players which will play will be choosen based on the Race rankings - but for seeds order is important WTA official ranking and because Maria played YEC 2006 (SF) and Venus and Anna not - she is right now #6 seed if she qualify at SEC and if Chakvetadze not overtake her this week at Linz.

I dont know why you so sure that Maria dont want to play this tournament... she won SEC in 2004 like underdog girl and also look at 2007 competition... other girls is mostly injuried, extremly tired or in bad shape. In her last 4 sets which she played Serena won only two games (!??!?), Venus last two loses (Razzano and Peneta) is against non-TOP30 players, and Ana and Jelena also lose they last two matches (including non-TOP30 players like Yan or K.Bondarenko). Against Chakvetadze Maria never have problems (even injury Maria) so i dont see that 0-3 result MUST be her score in Madrid.

I think I speak for many people when I say: HUH? :rolleyes: :confused:

valexie03
Oct 24th, 2007, 02:50 PM
I think I speak for many people when I say: HUH? :rolleyes: :confused:

:yeah: :bigwave: :spit:

Now that Chakvetadze withdrew from the Bell Challenger, all I'm interested in knowing is which player would be interested in obtaining the remaining WC since the points in Quebec City definitely are taken into account in the race. :help:

Jorn
Oct 24th, 2007, 08:30 PM
Updated Race List: 24. Oct.


1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4096.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00
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7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00 (none)=2470
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00 (none)=2431
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9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2156.00 (Linz R1 +1) 275-140?=2571
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2099.00 (Linz R1 +1) 275-140?=2514
11 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1938.00 (Linz R2 +35) 240=2178
12 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1851.00 (Linz R2 +35) 240-140=2231

Cp6uja
Oct 24th, 2007, 11:19 PM
Just dont tell me Henin,Jankovic and Williams sisters are in the same group ?Chances is 1/8 (12.5%) for group like that. Seeds is based on WTA ranking and that means JJ will be #3 seed (not #2 which is her YEC ranks) and that only means that Justine wont be in same group with Sveta, Jelena with Ana, Serena with Anna and Venus with Ma...whoever...

Jorn
Oct 26th, 2007, 03:42 PM
2 More Wins and Daniela is IN ;)

Updated Race List: 26. Oct.

1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4096.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00
-----------------------------------
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00
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9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2281.00 (Linz SF +125) 150=2431.00
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2224.00 (Linz R1 +125) 150=2374.00
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11 SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1973.00 (Linz R2 +70) 205=2178
12 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1886.00 (Linz QF +70) 205-140=2231

IF they don't give Masha a wildcard...

serenus_2k8
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:28 PM
lol if hantuchova and Ana C are both in the same group it would be unbelievably easier than the other :S

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:34 PM
2 More Wins and Daniela is IN ;)



Please don't let that happen :help:
If a first Tier II win for Nicole is needed for that, so be it!

I really want to see Masha play.

xcrtbckhnd
Oct 26th, 2007, 06:54 PM
Wow - I didn't realize that Daniela could qualify just based on the Linz results. She's got a decent shot based on her H2H results with Safina, but against Nicole, she has never won.....:

Daniela vs. Safina
Tied at 2 - 2
Rnk/Seed
Year
Event
Surface
Rnd
Winner
Score
Rnk/Seed
16 / 8
2006BERLIN OPENCLAY (O)R16D. SAFINA 6-3 6-2 19 / 10
19 / --
2006LUXEMBOURGHARD (I)R16D. SAFINA 7-5 6-3 11 / 4
19 / --
2006STUTTGARTHARD (I)R16D. HANTUCHOVA 6-2 6-2 10 / 6
9 / 7
2007ZURICHCARPET (I)R32D. HANTUCHOVA 7-6(2) 7-6(4) 14 / 0



Daniela vs. Vaidisova
Vaidisova leads 4-0
Rnk/Seed
Year
Event
Surface
Rnd
Winner
Score
Rnk/Seed
17 / --
2006SYDNEYHARD (O)QN. VAIDISOVA 6-3 3-1
ret. 16 / 8
17 / 11
2006SAN DIEGOHARD (O)R16N. VAIDISOVA 6-4 6-2 12 / 7
17 / --
2007SYDNEYHARD (O)R32N. VAIDISOVA 6-1 6-4 11 / 8
14 / --
2007FED CUP WEEK 1 - WORLD GROUP 2CLAY (O)R1N. VAIDISOVA 6-2 6-7(1) 6-3 8 / --

serenus_2k8
Oct 27th, 2007, 12:14 AM
lol but dont you think Sharapova is a well more interesting 8th qualifier? I mean D.H is no real threat and M.S has the 'whats she gonna do?' edge!!!

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2007, 07:55 PM
Updated Race List: 27. Oct. (The Final List!)

1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4096.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00
7 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00
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8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00
-----------------------------------
-----------------------------------
9 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2346.00 (Linz SF +190) 85=2431.00
10 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2224.00
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11 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1886.00 (Linz QF +70) 140=2026

140=Quebec City

Dani is near, one more win! Marion will be the 10th player now Vaidisova lost in Linz.
Anybody know if the 10th player will be invited and be ready if someone(s) withdraw? Maybe also if somebody wd next week...

TO newbie
Oct 28th, 2007, 01:11 AM
I have no idea where Jorn got these numbers - according the WTA website here is the top 15 players and there points in the race to the YEC -
HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 5405.00
JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4097.00
KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3691.00
IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3163.00
WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00
WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00
SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00
HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2156.00
BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2099.00
DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 2023.00
GOLOVIN, TATIANA FRA 1918.00
SAFINA, DINARA RUS 1903.00
PETROVA, NADIA RUS 1864.00
VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1816.00

Hantuchova has not entered Quebec City and the draw is out so she is not going to win both LInz and Quebec City since she had not entered both tournaments and therefore I don't think that she can actually tie Sharapova in points towards the YEC. She would have had to win both tournaments to do that (140 from Quebec and 275 from LINZ).
If she HAD won both tournaments she would have tied Maria - and then WTA would have had to make a decision about who to select for the 8th spot since the rules clearly state that they (WTA) get to choose the last spot.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

As for alternatives - those two spots are chosen using total points for the YEAR which is exactly what the YEC points totals are - not the best 17 tournaments (GS's being mandatory) as for the WTA tour ranking.
Even if Nikki was to win Quebec City where she is entered - her points total would not put her above Marion Bartoli or Hantuchova which is what I think you were saying above. So Bartoli and Hantuchova are likely to be the two alternatives.

Going to be a great tournament.

vw.
Oct 28th, 2007, 05:44 AM
SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00
HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2156.00

I don't think that she can actually tie Sharapova in points towards the YEC. She would have had to win both tournaments to do that (140 from Quebec and 275 from LINZ).

No. Daniela has 2156 points before Linz started. If she wins Linz, she will gain 275 points. 2156 + 275 = 2431. Which will be tied with Maria.

And the rule, should there be a tie, is that the player that has played MORE tournaments in the year will get priority.

serenus_2k8
Oct 28th, 2007, 11:25 AM
Yeh ur rite, no offence but some really dodgy maths back ther mate!
Ooh so if Hantuchova is going to qualify shes going to have to beat Patty 2day in the final - interesting when u consider how well Pattys been playing! :D

Jorn
Oct 28th, 2007, 01:20 PM
I have no idea where Jorn got these numbers - according the WTA website here is the top 15 players and there points in the race to the YEC -

It pretty easy, I take the current Race List and add this weeks points...

I just read on the WTA site, Daniela was one win away, so it seems they won't give Maria any wc.

Jorn
Oct 28th, 2007, 04:13 PM
Updated Race List: 28. Oct.

1 HENIN, JUSTINE BEL 4975.00
2 JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 4096.00
3 KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3581.00
4 IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 3162.00
5 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 2767.00
6 CHAKVETADZE, ANNA RUS 2628.00
--WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 2470.00 (Withdrawn!)
7 HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 2431.00
8 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2431.00
----------------------------------
----------------------------------
9 BARTOLI, MARION FRA 2224.00
10 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 2023.00
11 VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1942.00 (Quebec R1 +1) 140=2026
12 SCHNYDER, PATTY SUI 1939.00


140=Quebec City

senia
Oct 28th, 2007, 04:53 PM
wow so the list is finally complete.. with maria AND daniela ;)

with maria actually playing (according to her official website)

OMG :D

TO newbie
Oct 28th, 2007, 06:24 PM
many apologies for my lame math on Hantuchova. I was doing the math for Bartoli and not for Hantuchova.
But I still don't see your number for Henin in the race (although it is not that relevant since the field has been chosen).
THe WTA website shows her with 5405 points not the 4975 you have beside her name in the posting above.

Jorn
Oct 28th, 2007, 09:33 PM
As I posted in other post, I stop updating the Points when a player had Qualified for the YEC. Like Henin some weeks ago.

Jorn
Oct 28th, 2007, 09:36 PM
BTW, Anybody know if Dementieva will be in Madrid as 2. Alternate player?

ellenpompeo
Oct 29th, 2007, 12:09 AM
How is possible that Jelena Jankovic has less points in the WTA Ranking than in the Race to Madrid? Can someone explain me that fact? In my opinion the system has done a mistake o something like that because in the Ranking Jelena has 3475 points, while in the Race to Madrid she has 4097. In this way, I've been thinking of this and I've realized that if you add to 3475, the points that Jelena have won since the US Open until Zurich (622) the result is 4097. Very interesting I think. What do you think about that? Please, look at this and tell what you know, think, find..., because if she hasn't in the Ranking the points that she should have, is necessary that the WTA mend this and give her the points. She would be number 2 not number 3, and in the Championships Justine and Jelena would be 1 and 2, not Svetlana number 2 and Jelena number 3. This is really important. That's all. Forgive me if I don't write very well. I'm Spanish and my English isn't fantastic. Thanks

Jorn
Oct 29th, 2007, 12:23 AM
Jelena's Ranking:

In the Race List they counts ALL tournaments played in 2007.

In the normal ranking they counts the 17 best Tournaments.