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Volcana
Jul 15th, 2002, 01:10 PM
The four choices inthe poll are really to give an idea where people are coming from on this issue. Remember, the players are independent contractors. They don't work for the tour or the tournament. THey aren't employees. This only makes a difference at the margins, but the situations aren't identical.

1) I'm tested at my job, or was tested to get it. I object to that, but I wanted the job, so I put up with it.

2) I'm tested at my job, or was tested to get it. Further, I support drug testing as a contractual condition for everyone.

3) I'm not tested at my job. But I wouldn't object if they did it.

4) I'm not drug-tested at my job, but I object. If it were or became a requirement, I'd seek another job.

angele87
Jul 15th, 2002, 01:28 PM
I really do not see the big thing about drug testing :confused: If you have nothing to hide then who cares about drug testing??

Volcana
Jul 15th, 2002, 01:32 PM
angele87 - If you got a false positive and got fired, would you care?

If you had HIV, and this were discovered during a drug test, and you were fired, would you care?

If you took a cold relief medication, and tested positive as a result, and lost your job, would you care?

All these things have happened.

angele87
Jul 15th, 2002, 01:43 PM
angele87 - If you got a false positive and got fired, would you care?

I guess I would but I think I'd be willing to take that 1% chance to get rid of the cheaters out there cuz I know I'd also care if I was getting beaten ( or out performed) constantly be people who were taking drugs.

If you had HIV, and this were discovered during a drug test, and you were fired, would you care?

Is it legal to get fired for having HIV? If so then I guess I would deserve to get fired ( :confused: ) and if it's not legal, then they wouldn't be able to fire me right??

If you took a cold relief medication, and tested positive as a result, and lost your job, would you care?

I'm pretty sure I would get a list of banned substances if I were subject to a drug test but you're right, this is an iffy one and I guess yes, I would care. But what do you suggest? That drug tests be banned and cheaters continue to cheat?

Volcana
Jul 15th, 2002, 02:07 PM
I suggest they spend more money, and use the expensive tests that give fewer false positives. Further, a process needs to be in place to give financial redress to falsely accused players. I suggest that lists of banned substances and WHY they are banned be posted on the interent, so players could get to it readily. Further, the names of over-the-counter medications containing these things be listed. And no, you DON'T get a list of banned substances if you're player. At least not in all sports. In some cases, the National association gets it. In some case, individuals have to request it.

In short, the drug testing program has to be fair, reliable, and accountable. Which it's not, at the moment.

Re: HIV. Sure it's illegal, but AIDS is a terminal disease. Companies can and do fire people, then fight them in court til they die.

Helen Lawson
Jul 15th, 2002, 02:10 PM
If they drug tested in my industry there would be no employees anywhere. I take the yellow ones and they help me perform better. I am not the only one. As long as I do not miss any performances why should they care what I take.

CappyMania
Jul 15th, 2002, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Volcana
angele87 - If you got a false positive and got fired, would you care?

If you had HIV, and this were discovered during a drug test, and you were fired, would you care?

If you took a cold relief medication, and tested positive as a result, and lost your job, would you care?

All these things have happened.


Come on Volcana! There is NO false results, there are only smart lawyers and desperate people with the most stupid excuses imaginable.

CappyMania
Jul 15th, 2002, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Volcana
And no, you DON'T get a list of banned substances if you're player. At least not in all sports. In some cases, the National association gets it. In some case, individuals have to request it.



The athlete has responsibility to get that information. They can't blame any other than themselfs if something happens.

Kuilli
Jul 15th, 2002, 06:12 PM
Testing athletes and testing employees are two different issues, IMO. I have been drug-tested quite a few times several years back when I was competing in athletics, and I fully supported it then and still support it now.

However, if I would be drug-tested at my current job, I would definitely seek for another employment. I don't see any need for drug-testing in the company I work for, and although I have nothing to hide, it would be the invasion of my privacy.

On the other hand, there are many jobs out there that put people's lives on line on a daily bases, and there definitely should be drug-testing in those situations. If I would ever work on a position like that, I doubt I would have a problem with drug-testing, but if the company has no need for it and does it just for a sake of it, I do not agree with it.

Kart
Jul 15th, 2002, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by CappyMania

Come on Volcana! There is NO false results, there are only smart lawyers and desperate people with the most stupid excuses imaginable.

No test is 100% sensitive and 100% specific.

False positives do happen and so do false negatives, but I'd imagine that is taken into account in deciding whichever test is to be used - aiming to keep both to a minimum.

Robin L
Jul 15th, 2002, 10:20 PM
Drug tests fine but to tell you the truth tennis relies more on insight and knowledge. You won't be a better player if you take drug, an Anna isn't going to serve aces and 80% first serves in.
No but the point is that you can take drugs for abandoning pain or for more muscles also for long matches take some caffeine pills to stay focused.
Now if you take a good player and he or she takes drug he or she will be unbeatable and that should not be tolerated.

Julie
Jul 15th, 2002, 10:26 PM
Certain painkillers and medicines for muscualr ailments are allowed. Ill try and find you a list of banned substances in a second.

Regarding Caffeine to stay focussed :confused: - i doubt that theres a huge pool of evidence out there to support that. If anything it is a stimulant and as such it finds itself as a banned substance at above levels of 12mcg/mL

Julie
Jul 15th, 2002, 10:38 PM
This is from the current edition of the BNF (British National Formulary), as it is the olympic movement anti-doping code. I doubt its different from country to country.

This is easily available on the web, but i accept you certainly have to know where to look. That said this should be high on the list of every players trainer's or sports therapist's priorities.

http://www.bnf.org/webnf/lform1/scripts/display2.dll/mpanel?ID=73262&kwd=spor

Reference to BNF 43rd Edition "Drugs and Sport" Published by BMA and RPSGB

Sorry it wont display here, :confused: youll have to click on the link, it works for me, but ive already been to the site - hope it works for others.

earthcrystal
Jul 15th, 2002, 10:40 PM
Kuilli makes an excellent point. Drug testing for banned substances when athletic competition is involved is one thing.
I support that fully. Drug testing in the workplace is quite another. Unless your job entails responsibility for other people's lives (Pilot etc) then it's nobody's business.

I am especially horrified when I hear of somebody who had a positive test from smoking a little pot on Saturday, (instead of having 6 beers) and was fired for it. Which unfortunately happens rather alot in the States, due to the ridiculous marijuana laws.

IMO, testing should only be done in sports (using reliable technology) and the aforementioned employment situations, period. Beyond those, it's an invasion of privacy.

Volcana
Jul 16th, 2002, 02:19 AM
Julie - I note that the list of substances says these are 'examples'. If so, this probably isn't a complete list. One of the points that comes up every Olympics is that athletes read the lists in good faith, then find they are taking something banned that wasn't on the list they were given.

Aaaah what the hell. The WTA can impose any test they want. If the player's don't like it, they can just play the Slams.