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Pureracket
Sep 18th, 2007, 03:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag

kittyking
Sep 18th, 2007, 03:26 AM
No doubt you wont see it on most mainstream broadcasters throughout the nation, most of them are biased.

That is horrible what they did to that guy, there is no excuse for that!

drake3781
Sep 18th, 2007, 03:47 AM
No doubt you wont see it on most mainstream broadcasters throughout the nation, most of them are biased.

That is horrible what they did to that guy, there is no excuse for that!

Why should it be broadcast throughout the nation? I really don't think it rises to that level. :shrug:

venus_rulez
Sep 18th, 2007, 03:49 AM
No doubt you wont see it on most mainstream broadcasters throughout the nation, most of them are biased.

That is horrible what they did to that guy, there is no excuse for that!

Maybe I'm confused, but he basically tried to fight the police officers after they tried to remove him for being disruptive right?

fufuqifuqishahah
Sep 18th, 2007, 03:58 AM
Why should it be broadcast throughout the nation? I really don't think it rises to that level. :shrug:

ucla?

Cat's Pajamas
Sep 18th, 2007, 04:03 AM
well he was acting and talking like an idiot. so........ :tape:

kittyking
Sep 18th, 2007, 05:20 AM
He has the right to freedom of speech! They should not have been trying to arrest him in the first place, its not as if he was doing any physical or verbal threats to Kerry!

meyerpl
Sep 18th, 2007, 06:16 AM
I went to a John Kerry speech once and was wishing someone would give me a shot with a taser just to wake me up.

Scotso
Sep 18th, 2007, 06:47 AM
He kind of had it coming.

kittyking
Sep 18th, 2007, 07:20 AM
I went to a John Kerry speech once and was wishing someone would give me a shot with a taser just to wake me up.

Most politicians (past and present) are boring, while others are too entertaining because of that arent taken seriously

Its really hard to find a politician who is entertaining but can still be taken seriously - Vote Rudy Guiliani/Newt Gingrich (or if your in New Zealand vote for the National Party, lead by the great John Key!)

venus_rulez
Sep 18th, 2007, 07:32 AM
He has the right to freedom of speech! They should not have been trying to arrest him in the first place, its not as if he was doing any physical or verbal threats to Kerry!

Why do people continue to justify their or other's actions by using free speech? Free speech doesn't allow you to do whatever you want when you want and it certainly doesn't allow you to infringe on another person's right. The student had every right to get up there and ask a question, but he tried to be a smartass and was disruptive. The disruption he initally caused by being a smart ass infringed on the rights of those in attendance who came to hear John Kerry speak, not some college student who read one book and thinks he knows everything. Once he caused the disruption, the police had every right to ask him to step away from the mic or to leave the building. He didn't and paid the price.

kittyking
Sep 18th, 2007, 08:22 AM
Why do people continue to justify their or other's actions by using free speech? Free speech doesn't allow you to do whatever you want when you want and it certainly doesn't allow you to infringe on another person's right. The student had every right to get up there and ask a question, but he tried to be a smartass and was disruptive. The disruption he initally caused by being a smart ass infringed on the rights of those in attendance who came to hear John Kerry speak, not some college student who read one book and thinks he knows everything. Once he caused the disruption, the police had every right to ask him to step away from the mic or to leave the building. He didn't and paid the price.

He asked for four questions, so what at the last council meeting I got I asked for 7! And no I didnt get arrested, infact I swear the mayor winked at me.

Im all for tough crime, but dont these cops have any morals
(ooooo Im making an accusation, better not get arrested now)

Erika_Angel
Sep 18th, 2007, 08:43 AM
He was apparently alloted a certain amount of time to ask questions. There was a line of other people wanting to ask questions, and so he was asked to step aside once he was going over his allocated time. He got all up in arms and was then asked to leave, escorted by the police.
Instead of leaving, he started flailing all over the place to the point where the police were forced to arrest him. He was told to put his hand behind his back, and he wouldn't. Instead he continued shouting and screaming and trying to struggle to get free.
They tasered him because he was resisting arrest and they had tried for about a minute to handcuff him and their attempts proved futile while he was still struggling. It was his own fault, what an idiot.

kittyking
Sep 18th, 2007, 08:48 AM
The fact is that he was apparently alloted a certain amount of time to ask questions. There was a line of other people wanting to ask questions, and so he was asked to end. He got all up in arms and was then asked to leave.
Instead of leaving, he started flailing all over the place to the point where the police were forced to arrest him. He was told to put his hand behind his back, and he wouldn't. Instead he continued shouting and screaming and trying to struggle to get free.
They tasered him because he was resisting arrest and they had tried for about a minute to handcuff him and their attempts proved futile while he was still struggling. It was his own fault, what an idiot.

He was pissed off that he couldnt ask more questions, and he wasnt a threat to anyone.

And FYI there was a (short) line of people wanting to ask questions after me too, and they I was about the fourth person to ask the questions. I should have been tasered :help:

meyerpl
Sep 18th, 2007, 12:05 PM
He was pissed off that he couldnt ask more questions, and he wasnt a threat to anyone.

And FYI there was a (short) line of people wanting to ask questions after me too, and they I was about the fourth person to ask the questions. I should have been tasered :help:
He was pissed off? Oh, well then that makes it O.K. Now, if he'd have been drunk too, then his actions would have been even more O.K.

meyerpl
Sep 18th, 2007, 12:07 PM
Most politicians (past and present) are boring, while others are too entertaining because of that arent taken seriously

Its really hard to find a politician who is entertaining but can still be taken seriously - Vote Rudy Guiliani/Newt Gingrich (or if your in New Zealand vote for the National Party, lead by the great John Key!)
Fuck.....I'd rather vote Abbot/Costello.

tennislover
Sep 18th, 2007, 08:02 PM
No doubt you wont see it on most mainstream broadcasters throughout the nation, most of them are biased.

That is horrible what they did to that guy, there is no excuse for that!

true

tennislover
Sep 18th, 2007, 08:07 PM
azza would comment like this:
...you americans are fucking weirdos.
:lol:

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 18th, 2007, 08:15 PM
As far I know most places automatically will put metal detectors in a complex and use other security measures just if they have someone of John Kerry's stature on their campus.

So for them to go this far when they knew he had no weapons on him is odd.
I saw no intention of the student to lunge forward to John Kerry or even motion forward.

He might have been a smart ass but if the police tasered everyone who happened to be a smart ass in their presence, there would be a lot of twitchy people out there.

~{X}~
Sep 18th, 2007, 08:23 PM
Lmao USA=Police State soon, just you wait. :lol:

I'm joking of course, but I don't think they should have tasered him. I think those "university police" which are fake ass police anyway, believe me I got them at my college too, no one pays attention to them are just trigger happy, because thats probably the most they'll do in like 3 years. :lol:

sfselesfan
Sep 18th, 2007, 10:14 PM
That kid was a little obnoxious, but there was no excuse for a taser. In my line of work I can tell you that cops frequently utilize those tactics (at least where I live in California) and not every instance is reported in the police reports. It's awful. I think tasers should be banned completely or used ONLY in life or death circumstances.

SF

tennislover
Sep 18th, 2007, 10:24 PM
That kid was a little obnoxious, but there was no excuse for a taser. In my line of work I can tell you that cops frequently utilize those tactics (at least where I live in California) and not every instance is reported in the police reports. It's awful. I think tasers should be banned completely or used ONLY in life or death circumstances.

SF

agreed

BUBI
Sep 18th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Im all for tough crime, but dont these cops have any morals
(ooooo Im making an accusation, better not get arrested now)
This is not about police having no morals, this is about police having no skills. Four policemen weren't able to walk this man out of the building and then they did that to him in front of all those people and cameras. That's unprofessional policework.

*JR*
Sep 19th, 2007, 12:23 AM
He was apparently alloted a certain amount of time to ask questions. There was a line of other people wanting to ask questions, and so he was asked to step aside once he was going over his allocated time. He got all up in arms and was then asked to leave, escorted by the police.
Instead of leaving, he started flailing all over the place to the point where the police were forced to arrest him. He was told to put his hand behind his back, and he wouldn't. Instead he continued shouting and screaming and trying to struggle to get free.
They tasered him because he was resisting arrest and they had tried for about a minute to handcuff him and their attempts proved futile while he was still struggling. It was his own fault, what an idiot.
The only thing is that the cops (as many do) were kind of "running on adrenaline". (Sort of like: You're leaving because I said so, with an emphasis on the part I put in bold). This resembles the peaceful end of a lot of hostage situations I've seen on TV. Where the hostage negotiators get the guy to release the hostage(s) and come out with his hands ova his head.

And yet the cops still start screaming @ him: Down on the ground! Down on the ground! Its sort of like they're frustrated that they were maintaining security like extras in a movie, and now they finally get on the stage. Guess what, its perfectly routine for the group of cops to cuff the guy in the situation I just described without going gonzo. (Too much caffeine?)

TomasUli
Sep 19th, 2007, 02:15 AM
He was being loud and obnoxious.

Notice how he didn't even let Kerry answer the first
question--he never intended to. As for why he
was detained--if a police officer tells you to do something, you do it. Disobey and they can pretty much arrest you on the spot.

And what's with all the crying?

"Don't tase meeeee, nooooo... help meeee... help meeee"

Too bad they didn't tase him long enough for him to ignite.

:rolleyes: :tape:

kittyking
Sep 19th, 2007, 02:28 AM
He was pissed off? Oh, well then that makes it O.K. Now, if he'd have been drunk too, then his actions would have been even more O.K.

He was pissed off because there was an injustice! He has the right to freedom of speech!
Yes he has the right to complain about an injustice, certainly more right than a right to be tasered for it!

kittyking
Sep 19th, 2007, 02:30 AM
azza would comment like this:

:lol:

And for the first time in history I'd agree with him :o

drake3781
Sep 19th, 2007, 02:37 AM
He was pissed off because there was an injustice! He has the right to freedom of speech!
Yes he has the right to complain about an injustice, certainly more right than a right to be tasered for it!


We don't need loudmouth, idiotic, attention-seekers to run the agenda. There were established rules on how questions would be handled. This person came prepared to break those rules, and make everyone else watch him, like it or not. He came prepared to interrupt the course of questions and answers to run his own agenda. He was given some leeway. When that was not enough, he took more. When he was stopped from taking even more, instead of acquiescing to the others present, he continued to try to run his own agenda. He moved toward the stage. He did not comply with the orders of the police officers. He raised his voice and struggled. Surely these officers could have handled this with force instead of a taser, but there is no question that this person was out of line and provoked the situation that occurred.

There was no injustice!
Freedom of speech does not mean you can say whatever you want, whenever you want, regardless of what is going on!

PatrickRyan
Sep 19th, 2007, 03:16 AM
No doubt you wont see it on most mainstream broadcasters throughout the nation, most of them are biased.

That is horrible what they did to that guy, there is no excuse for that!

Funny you should say that because in my American Government class today we actually watched this video and read articles on Cnn and Fox News and compared both articles to see which one had bias for each side.

kittyking
Sep 19th, 2007, 10:18 AM
You cant see it too clearly on that video tape but I can confirm from a good source that the guy was actually in handcuffs when he was tasered - I thought that was illegal (or arent you allowed to yell out when you've been arrested in America????)

kittyking
Sep 19th, 2007, 10:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL4CaFhN27w&mode=related&search=

Are you the sorta person who thinks that the people in the link I just posted should have been tasered. I mean they were in handcuffs, and screaming....

Edit: A better video of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3oTgcMJxnw&mode=related&search=

*JR*
Sep 19th, 2007, 12:47 PM
You cant see it too clearly on that video tape but I can confirm from a good source that the guy was actually in handcuffs when he was tasered - I thought that was illegal (or arent you allowed to yell out when you've been arrested in America????)
Which would mean that the cops already had things under control, and had moved from the realm of preventing any possible crime to punishing somebody for one they judged had been committed. Sorry, but its a well established principle that once there's no more "threat", the legal system takes ova.

That its up to the local DA whether or not to charge him with assault, resisting arrest, disorderly conduct or whatever. If the preponderance of the evidence is that the kid was handcuffed B4 being tasered, he's got pretty good grounds for a lawsuit I think.

griffin
Sep 19th, 2007, 04:58 PM
Tazering the guy was stupid - hell, the one cop was carrying him up the aisle at one point, they just should have taken him all the way out of the hall - and if they zapped him while he was handcuffed, they should be prosecuted.

But deliberately provoking a confrontation (he not only charged to the front of the line, and physically resisted the rent-a-cops' efforts to get him out of the hall, he made sure to set a friend up with a video camera before hand so they could get the whole thing on tape) isn't all the bright or defensible, either.

He wanted an incedent, he got one. I have a hard time feeling any kind of sympathy.

sfselesfan
Sep 19th, 2007, 05:12 PM
It looks to me like they were tasering him to get him to be quiet. Which is fucked up! I think all of the officers should be fired!

SF

*JR*
Sep 19th, 2007, 05:22 PM
Tazering the guy was stupid - hell, the one cop was carrying him up the aisle at one point, they just should have taken him all the way out of the hall - and if they zapped him while he was handcuffed, they should be prosecuted.

But deliberately provoking a confrontation (he not only charged to the front of the line, and physically resisted the rent-a-cops' efforts to get him out of the hall, he made sure to set a friend up with a video camera before hand so they could get the whole thing on tape) isn't all the bright or defensible, either.

He wanted an incedent, he got one. I have a hard time feeling any kind of sympathy.
The kid actually got John F(ucking) Kerry national news coverage, that's quite a feat. :devil:

griffin
Sep 19th, 2007, 05:55 PM
Can you imagine the screams if Kerry had been tazered?

"ceeeaaasseee annnnd desisssst plllllleeeeasssseeee"

kittyking
Sep 20th, 2007, 12:21 AM
Tazering the guy was stupid - hell, the one cop was carrying him up the aisle at one point, they just should have taken him all the way out of the hall - and if they zapped him while he was handcuffed, they should be prosecuted.

But deliberately provoking a confrontation (he not only charged to the front of the line, and physically resisted the rent-a-cops' efforts to get him out of the hall, he made sure to set a friend up with a video camera before hand so they could get the whole thing on tape) isn't all the bright or defensible, either.

He wanted an incedent, he got one. I have a hard time feeling any kind of sympathy.

I can give you assurances from a very good source that he was in handcuffs when he was tasered and thus that those cops should be prosecuted and/or he should be given compensation.
I also argue that the whole 'disrupting the peace' thing is a load of garbage because it was the end of the session, and everyone started to talk and get ready to leave anyway. True hes an attention seeker, but that shouldnt mean that he has the right to be tasered while in cuffs surrounded by four cops.

kittyking
Sep 20th, 2007, 12:24 AM
Slightly offtopic but to the person who contacted me asking whether or not Bill O'Reilly has been tasered before....

The answer is yes he has been, it was for a news story a couple of years back

*JR*
Sep 20th, 2007, 01:09 AM
Slightly offtopic but to the person who contacted me asking whether or not Bill O'Reilly has been tasered before....

The answer is yes he has been, it was for a news story a couple of years back
O'Reilly wasn't very sympathetic to these cops. He mentioned his own grandfather last night, who was a cop way B4 tasers were invented, remarking that his grandfather would have gotten the kid out of the room by himself. (I usually watch Keith Olberman, but he's recovering from appendicitis).

And for the record, the House hearings with General Petraeus Monday on last week were interrupted by protestors several times. The protestors were removed (some with a little pulling or shoving) 2B charged with whatever that presumably got them fined, if they weren't on probation or whatever.

But not one of them got zapped. Guess the US Capitol police are a few cuts above the campus variety in FL in terms of keeping things in perspective.

kittyking
Sep 20th, 2007, 01:48 AM
O'Reilly wasn't very sympathetic to these cops. He mentioned his own grandfather last night, who was a cop way B4 tasers were invented, remarking that his grandfather would have gotten the kid out of the room by himself. (I usually watch Keith Olberman, but he's recovering from appendicitis).

And for the record, the House hearings with General Petraeus Monday on last week were interrupted by protestors several times. The protestors were removed (some with a little pulling or shoving) 2B charged with whatever that presumably got them fined, if they weren't on probation or whatever.

But not one of them got zapped. Guess the US Capitol police are a few cuts above the campus variety in FL in terms of keeping things in perspective.

Your right he wasnt very sympathetic to the cops

However...he went absolutely insane at the person who was tasered, saying that he was 'the biggest wimp in the world' among other comments

meyerpl
Sep 20th, 2007, 03:28 AM
I would have been 100% in favor of somebody tasering that "leave Britney alone" guy about 1/4 of the way through his tirade.

griffin
Sep 20th, 2007, 01:49 PM
True hes an attention seeker, but that shouldnt mean that he has the right to be tasered while in cuffs surrounded by four cops.

No, I agree, he shouldn't have been tasered. But after trying to break free from the cops the third or fourth time? Sorry, that's pushing your luck.

And he wasn't just seeking attention - he was clearly seeking a confrontation. He just got more of one than he bargained for. Fire the cops, but he gets no sympathy.

kittyking
Sep 21st, 2007, 07:10 AM
No, I agree, he shouldn't have been tasered. But after trying to break free from the cops the third or fourth time? Sorry, that's pushing your luck.

And he wasn't just seeking attention - he was clearly seeking a confrontation. He just got more of one than he bargained for. Fire the cops, but he gets no sympathy.

The cops didnt exactly do a good job of restraining him did they :tape:

I agree with you I think he was seeking a confrontation, but it wasnt in a threatning way - if anything it was in a pissing off sort of way, but I mean people at my work piss me off and I dont have the right to taser them do I? (maybe?)

griffin
Sep 21st, 2007, 01:01 PM
The cops didnt exactly do a good job of restraining him did they :tape:

No, because he was very actively resisting them - what were they supposed to do? He put them in a position where they had to use force and they did. Personally, I think they should have stopped at slamming him to the ground and cuffing him (although I'm sure he'd be crying about that, too), but again, I have no sympathy.

kittyking
Sep 22nd, 2007, 01:26 AM
No, because he was very actively resisting them - what were they supposed to do? He put them in a position where they had to use force and they did. Personally, I think they should have stopped at slamming him to the ground and cuffing him (although I'm sure he'd be crying about that, too), but again, I have no sympathy.

They should have just given him a good hard kick in the jewels. This would be good for both parties as the cops would be able to control him better after this, while he has something half decent to write on his blog and if he decides to give up journalism he could always become a Soprano Opera singer.

meyerpl
Sep 22nd, 2007, 03:06 AM
They should have just given him a good hard kick in the jewels. This would be good for both parties as the cops would be able to control him better after this, while he has something half decent to write on his blog and if he decides to give up journalism he could always become a Soprano Opera singer.
I'd much rather get zapped with a taser than kicked in the "jewels". Cops routinely get tased as part of their training, they don't get kicked in the jewels. That can hurt for days and may cause permanent injury. Getting tased hurts for a few seconds and it's over; it's not as big a deal as some people seem to think. Cops generally regard the taser as a tool to avoid the use of greater force and prevent injury. Yeah, a very small percentage of people with heart problems can suffer serious consequences from the taser but the same can be said about Viagra. Unless they're fully police certified, I don't think tasers should be issued to campus police. I suspect the taser is over-used in some environments these days.

kittyking
Sep 22nd, 2007, 08:10 AM
I'd much rather get zapped with a taser than kicked in the "jewels". Cops routinely get tased as part of their training, they don't get kicked in the jewels. That can hurt for days and may cause permanent injury. Getting tased hurts for a few seconds and it's over; it's not as big a deal as some people seem to think. Cops generally regard the taser as a tool to avoid the use of greater force and prevent injury. Yeah, a very small percentage of people with heart problems can suffer serious consequences from the taser but the same can be said about Viagra. Unless they're fully police certified, I don't think tasers should be issued to campus police. I suspect the taser is over-used in some environments these days.

:haha: Okay mate I'll put it simple

Getting hit in the jewels can make you fall over, its an instant pain and certainly discourages other arrogant boys from being a pain in the rear

Tasers on the other hand are very dangerous to people and have killed many people (and old article about it is here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/earlyshow/main648859.shtml)

I'm in favor of arming cops with tasers, however they need to know when its appropriate to use it (not when a student wants to ask 2 more questions and the mic is already turned off and hes in handcuffs...)

Wigglytuff
Sep 22nd, 2007, 08:16 AM
The student had every right to get up there and ask a question, but he tried to be a smartass and was disruptive.

well wow. being a smartass warrants that kind of abuse?

I said before I will say it again, when people so willing give up the right to humane treatment let them not complain when they are treated inhumanely and have no recourse. :wavey:

and that is all i am going to say about THAT.