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TSequoia01
Jul 14th, 2002, 08:40 PM
Notice I did not say best service return. The reason for this is because posters use different criteria for the ratings. But punishing a return of service leaves no room for begging the question. My list is as follows:

1. Serena - Simply devastating. Makes servers cringe especially if there is a need for a second serve.

2. Venus - Does not go for as much as Serena but will spank any serve that is not placed or powerful.

3. Lindsay - Watching tapes recently reminded me how her game resembles the Williamses. Her mobility does not allow her to reach as many serves, but when she does will knock the cover off.

4. Monica - Has mobility problems alot like Lindsay but when she can setup she is as intimidating as anyone.

5. Capriati - Gets a large number back but does not punish them as the previous returners do.

What do you think? :confused:

RockSteady
Jul 14th, 2002, 08:55 PM
1. Serena - Simply devastating. Not the best at all because she misses a lot, but goes for broke every time.

2. Lindsay - Always gets her racket on it, and crushes the second serve like none other.

3. Monica- It is best to hit placed serves against her, because she is not phased by power or body serves. When set up, hits hard, angled winners.

4. Hantuchova - CRUSHES all serves. I think she will be tops in this category by this time next year. Just paints the corners with velocity.

5. Venus - Not the best return game at all, but she tries to crush balls like her sister. LOL at her being 2nd.

ys
Jul 14th, 2002, 08:59 PM
A punishing return is not a much of an advantage if you can't serve yourself. Kournikova's or Dementieva's returns are as good and agressive as anyone's else. They simply can't hold their own on their serve.

Come-on-kim
Jul 14th, 2002, 09:06 PM
also Kim!!!!!

She's very mobile with her legs!!!!

selesrules
Jul 14th, 2002, 09:07 PM
When she is on, it's Monica.

saby
Jul 14th, 2002, 09:12 PM
Mary when she's in a good shape


:angel: :angel: :angel:

mboyle
Jul 14th, 2002, 10:08 PM
1. Monica- great anticipation, does not make return errors often, even though her return suffered from Parche, it is still the best in the Women's game I think
2-Jennifer Capriati- Also has good anticipation, is smart about it, (she does not go for broke, but makes it a relatively offensive shot. Never Ever misses.
3-Daniela Hantuchova- WOW! She reminds me of the old Monica on the return. If you don't have a perfect second serve, you can kiss that point away. She paints all forms of corners (including the sideline/service line corner) in crosscourt, down the line, or reverse crosscourt varieties. She would be number one, but I am not sure whether she can do this consistently
4- Lindsay Davenport- Kills so many serves it is not funny. However, she does miss unlike the top two, but not as much as Serena.
5- Serena Williams- In terms of power, she is unmatched. In terms of intimidation (via the sheer power and the WHUH- AWWWWWWHHHH released afterwards) she is unmatched. In terms of placement, she is not as good as the top 4, and in terms of accuracy, she is only maybe average (she misses many returns)
Basically, Serena's return can be her best friend, or her worst enemy IMO.

Kart
Jul 14th, 2002, 10:14 PM
1. Serena.

2. Monica.

3. JenCap.

4. Lindsay.

5. Venus.

TSequoia01
Jul 14th, 2002, 10:21 PM
Excuse me for smiling at some of these rankings. Even though one poster smiled at mine. But how can Capriati and Daniela be ranked ahead of Serena? Amelie served Capriati off of the court while Serena punished her serve. Serena also handled Daniela's serve better than she handled hers. Last comparison is probably not valid because Serena does not face her own serve. But still you get my point. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nimi
Jul 14th, 2002, 10:25 PM
in ONE MATCH

in their (Serena-Jennifer) previous meetings Jenn's return was her best wepon!!

MartinaI
Jul 14th, 2002, 10:28 PM
MARTINA HINGIS! according to Goran Ivanisevic. He said when they played against each other on mixed doubles at Hopman Cup 1997 that she was the best returner ever of his rocket serve! Interesting titbit.

Nimi
Jul 14th, 2002, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by MartinaI
MARTINA HINGIS! according to Goran Ivanisevic. He said when they played against each other on mixed doubles at Hopman Cup 1997 that she was the best returner ever of his rocket serve! Interesting titbit.

LMAO!!!:p

DEETHELICK
Jul 14th, 2002, 11:44 PM
Monica used to, and sometimes still does, hit the most amazing returns (in relation to power, placement and angles). One she sets up, you can pretty much be assured the point is over.

Jennifer is the most consistent returner on tour. Almost always gets the ball back, and usually with interest. The reason Serena and Jen play great matches is because Jen handles Serena's serve so well.

I can't remember martina's/Lindsay's returns but they sound pretty good!

Serena when on is completely dumbfounding. She just hits some great returns, but she is not consistent at all.

Venus comes into the league of Clijsters, Dokic, Dementieva. They all hit the ball aggressively when returning. But all the power players seem to do that.

To talk about a point that Serena handles Amelie's serves so well, whilst Jen couldn't. Amelie was serving a very high % of 1st serves against Jen. Against Serena, it was more a 2nd serve shootout. That's why Serena dealt so effectively with Amelie. She got a look at a lot of 2nd serves.

mboyle
Jul 15th, 2002, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by TSequoia01
Excuse me for smiling at some of these rankings. Even though one poster smiled at mine. But how can Capriati and Daniela be ranked ahead of Serena? Amelie served Capriati off of the court while Serena punished her serve. Serena also handled Daniela's serve better than she handled hers. Last comparison is probably not valid because Serena does not face her own serve. But still you get my point. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Jenn had to deal with like 75% first serves, and Serena got closer to 75% second serves. Big difference. Also, jenn had a sholder injury that match (which is a reason why she lost, but not the only one of course) and Serena was on fire. About Daniela, if you have ever seen her play, she has such a good return it is not funny. She is more consistent than Serena (who has wonderful days and terrible days returning) and hits better angles, with almost equal pace. Anyway, I respect your opinion that Serena has the best Return, and I hope you can respect my opinion that on most days, she does not. OK? :wavey:

RockSteady
Jul 15th, 2002, 12:18 AM
Well, as nice as Hingis & Jen are at returning, the question wasn't 'best' but 'most punishing', in a seeming attempt to lean the questions towards his fave. :p

Most Punishing:
1) Serena
2) Lindsay
3) Monica
4) Daniela
5) Venus

Best:
1) Jen
2) Hingis
3) Lindsay
4) Monica
5) Daniela
(Serena & Monica are both the best when 'on', but they aren't always 'on')

Weevee
Jul 15th, 2002, 02:23 AM
Don't get confused ! Most punishing return of service is a pretty meaningless measure! The BEST RETURNER of sevice is the person most likely to break an opponent and that is Venus!
Don't be bluffed into using some other arcane measure.

Nimi
Jul 15th, 2002, 02:38 AM
Venus? best returner of serve? :rolleyes:

Williams Rulez
Jul 15th, 2002, 12:00 PM
1] Serena
2] Monica
3] Lindsay
4] Jennifer
5] Venus

TatiAnnahølic
Jul 15th, 2002, 12:06 PM
Anna's return is very very agresive

TSequoia01
Jul 15th, 2002, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Weevee
Don't get confused ! Most punishing return of service is a pretty meaningless measure! The BEST RETURNER of sevice is the person most likely to break an opponent and that is Venus!
Don't be bluffed into using some other arcane measure.

Fair enough! Maybe I need to define what was meant by punishing. The act of returning serve as to hit an outright winner, or place the opponent immediately on the defense. You can obtain this defensive posture by either power or placement preferably both. Of course the most punishing returner should average a high number of breaks per set! :cool:

RAA
Jul 15th, 2002, 04:07 PM
Monica
Serena
Linsday
Venus

I've seen Daniela hit some amazing returns, but I just haven't seen her enough to know how consistent she will be with this weapon.

tennischick
Jul 15th, 2002, 05:16 PM
Serena by a mile. and then Daniela, Monica, Venus and Jen.

up-and-coming: Elena Danilidou

Ryan
Jul 15th, 2002, 05:20 PM
Amelie served Capriati off of the court while Serena punished her serve.




Amelie served like crap vs. Serena. The only time she got her first serves in were in her first 2 service games practically.

TSequoia01
Jul 15th, 2002, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Ryan15





Amelie served like crap vs. Serena. The only time she got her first serves in were in her first 2 service games practically.


Don't forget Ryan that a low serving percentage and a high number of double faults are some of the benefits of a punishing return. ;) :cool:

villa
Jul 15th, 2002, 09:59 PM
So according to people on this board venus has got a crap return and a crap serve, gosh these hope for all of us if she can be world no.1 and a grandslam champion:rolleyes: