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Rocketta
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Report: NFL weighing Patriots' punishment for spying


September 11, 2007


NEW YORK (AP) -- The NFL reportedly is considering punishing the New England Patriots (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nwe/;_ylt=AvK9b5CFX7qWBP0gb0R34dgdsLYF) for spying on the New York Jets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nyj/;_ylt=AnD7S6j2e8qTz9HHBSm7AOQdsLYF) in their season opener.
ESPN.com, citing league sources, reported Tuesday that commissioner Roger Goodell has determined the Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the Jets' coaches. But the report also said the Patriots have not yet presented their case to the league.

The Web site's report said Goodell is considering severe sanctions, including docking the Patriots "multiple draft picks."
A league spokesman, however, said only that an investigation is under way. Both teams said no decision has been made.


NFL security confiscated a video camera and tape from a Patriots employee during New England's 38-14 victory Sunday. The employee was accused of aiming his camera at the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.
Last season, the Green Bay Packers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/gnb/;_ylt=Ao8CqLy6uSf8NyGag.PgGp0dsLYF) had an issue with a man wearing a Patriots staff credential who was carrying a video camera on their sideline.


"The rule is that no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game," the league said Monday in a statement from spokesman Greg Aiello. "Clubs have specifically been reminded in the past that the videotaping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals on the sidelines is prohibited.


"We are looking into whether the Patriots violated this rule."
There also are questions regarding the Patriots' use of radio frequencies during the game.


Patriots owner Robert Kraft was asked when he expected a verdict, but said those questions had to be directed toward Goodell.


"There is an investigation going on now, and perhaps an adjudication of it, and I think it would be inappropriate at this time to make any comment," Kraft told reporters at a charity appearance Tuesday. "When you're successful in anything, a lot of people like to try to take you down and do different things. We understand that.


"We worked very hard to try to put an organization together that we all could be proud of in New England, and we're very proud of the New England Patriots organization and the record that they've established over the last 13 seasons and one game."

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kiwifan
Sep 12th, 2007, 02:42 PM
Losing next year's 3rd round pick would be fair.

Enough to "hurt" but not too harsh to affect the competitive balance of the league.

b_o_r
Sep 12th, 2007, 03:09 PM
Losing next year's 3rd round pick would be fair.

Enough to "hurt" but not too harsh to affect the competitive balance of the league.
The Patriots have already hurt the "competitive balance" of the league. Stealing plays--especially defensive plays--is like having an extra offensive player on the field. Minimum of a first round draft choice since Goddell is so much into "personal conduct" image now.

kiwifan
Sep 12th, 2007, 06:31 PM
The Patriots have already hurt the "competitive balance" of the league. Stealing plays--especially defensive plays--is like having an extra offensive player on the field. Minimum of a first round draft choice since Goddell is so much into "personal conduct" image now.

I'll admit taking a 1st would be consistent with Goddell's current wave of rulings...

...but I thought a lot of those rulings were too harsh too. :shrug:

"Boys will be Boys"

"Raiders will be Raiders"

Patriots aren't supposed to be Raiders :lol:

Sally Struthers
Sep 12th, 2007, 06:43 PM
I bet every team does it to some extent. They just got caught. I'm surprised no one's tapped into the wireless signals from the headsets they all wear :lol:

samsung101
Sep 12th, 2007, 08:43 PM
They cheated.
Did NY lose in any way because they cheated?
Probably not, but, it's still unfair.

It is a big deal.
A surly, but, great coach...caught cheating.
Pile on time for The Patriots.




If we're bagging on Barry Bonds for being caught in a cheating
scandal, as well as McGwire and Sosa, and even USC w/the Reggie
Bush matter, etc., why not bag on The Patriots?

It is cheating. It is against the rules. It shouldn't be
laughed off. If Bonds is being bashed for what he allegedly,
likely, did, we should hold The Patriots to a high standard
for what they knowingly did, and were caught at.






The coach knowingly set up a cheating fixture.

It's such a good team on its own. Why bother?

It really does take away from what the team has
accomplished, it is a big stain on their legacy.

I think they should lose a first round draft pick to set up
a standard. 2nd round at the very least.

The coach should also be suspended for at least one game.
Plus a big fine.

Make an example of the team.



If a player is caught cheating he is suspended, fined, loses
money, etc.

The same thing should happen to the organization for what is
an organization action. The coach is the organization. It's his
staff. Hand picked.





Being a San Diego Charger fan, I know that many have thought
they have been cheating for a long time w/spies, cell phones,
cell pictures, etc. But, that was usually written off as sour grapes.

Xander
Sep 13th, 2007, 12:21 AM
I bet every team does it to some extent. They just got caught. I'm surprised no one's tapped into the wireless signals from the headsets they all wear :lol:

I'm sure they do, too. All you need is a good camera and someone (posing as a fan) in the stands to operate it. That being said, I think the punishment is a fair one. If there's one that'll deter this "practice" it would be the loss of draft picks.

darrinbaker00
Sep 13th, 2007, 04:38 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think the NFL should just take the win away from the Patriots? :shrug:

*JR*
Sep 13th, 2007, 02:09 PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think the NFL should just take the win away from the Patriots? :shrug:
Seems harsh in a lopsided game. (Hard to believe the Raiders let the Pats have Randy Moss for a 4th round pick, unless it was a salary cap thing. He's still one of the best receivers in the game).

Frankly I think they should just put the mini speakers in everyone's helmet like the QB's now have to get the plays, where a league official turns off the signal B4 the play starts.

That way for example, a visiting team doesn't have to burn a timeout to avoid a penalty because they can't hear the snap count due to crowd noise.

Speaking of cheating, the Giants got away with a legendary one in the early 90's. Place kicker Brad Daluiso won a game with a 55 yard field goal @ the end of the 4th quarter... helped by the ground crew being told during the timeout B4 it to open the doors trucks can drive through @ the end of the stadium behind him, putting a stiff breeze @ his back. :tape:

Pureracket
Sep 13th, 2007, 02:11 PM
I hope non of my Fantasy points are revoked in the Yahoo! League I'm in.

Sally Struthers
Sep 13th, 2007, 02:11 PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think the NFL should just take the win away from the Patriots? :shrug:

given their weak division it hardly matters :o

griffin
Sep 13th, 2007, 02:15 PM
you should see the way this is being covered in Boston - you'd think Santa'd been caught stealing Halloween candy from kids, or ate the Easter Bunny for breakfast :lol:

I say stick with taking away a draft pick - it'll hurt them worse in the long run than one game.

brickhousesupporter
Sep 13th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Point of clarification here. They videotaped during the game, so they did not have time to use the signal during the game right. So how is that cheating. If they should meet again and they use those signals then it would be cheating right. Or am I completely wrong in the way the scenario happened.?

griffin
Sep 13th, 2007, 03:14 PM
They have people watching the video during the game, and comparing the coach's hand signals to overhead images of the plays they're running. By the end of the game, the people in the booth are giving the signals to their own coaches. Those coaches can then radio the QB or call other plays.

At least, that's how it was explained to me.

samsung101
Sep 13th, 2007, 04:20 PM
Again, if the media and sports radio has made such a huge fuss over Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire and
Sammy Sosa - all allegedly cheaters, but, never proven to be so by baseball or anyone else - why not
hammer The Patriots for being caught red handed cheating?

The NFL Commissioner has come down hard on players associated with crimes this year.
He's come down hard on players testing positive for drugs since it is cheating.
He should come down very hard on The Patriots -the darlings of the league.

They should get some sort of coach suspension - which is symbolic only. The coach can
still help the team win away from the sidelines.

They should lose a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. Anything lower than that doesn't matter.


Plus a fine. A big fine.

Sally Struthers
Sep 14th, 2007, 01:17 AM
New England coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for videotaping an opponent's offensive and defensive signals.

Commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't.

griffin
Sep 14th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Apparently, Jets coach Eric Mangini - who used to be on the Pats' coahcing staff - was the one who tipped off the NFL.

$5 says it was going on while he was here.

kiwifan
Sep 14th, 2007, 02:00 PM
New England coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for videotaping an opponent's offensive and defensive signals.

Commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't.

:lol: that is friggin' harsh.

but he's been harsh on players so its nice to see he is willing to use his sledgehammer on coaches and organizations as well. :shrug:

brickhousesupporter
Sep 14th, 2007, 03:38 PM
Apparently, Jets coach Eric Mangini - who used to be on the Pats' coahcing staff - was the one who tipped off the NFL.

$5 says it was going on while he was here.

You know it.....That was the Patriots bad for not realizing that it was a bad idea now.

griffin
Sep 14th, 2007, 03:48 PM
Don't get me wrong, I do think their "bad" was doing it in the first place, I'm not letting them off the hook. Doing it against a team lead by one of their own former staff was more like their "stupid" :lol:

Like the Jets and the Pats need another reason not to like each other.

ico4498
Sep 14th, 2007, 06:42 PM
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ico4498
Sep 14th, 2007, 06:43 PM
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