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Mike_T
Sep 11th, 2007, 08:26 PM
Of Madeleine's disappearance.

shrOOf
Sep 11th, 2007, 08:36 PM
Guilty

Infiniti2001
Sep 11th, 2007, 08:40 PM
The only thing that troubles me about them is leaving the kids alone :shrug: I don't care where you are, you always keep an eye on kids where I am from. I mean, I bet a teenager would be willing to watch the kids for a few bucks that night. Other than that, there is nothing that convinces me that they are guilty yet. To me they are being railroaded, because the authorities boatched the investigation :shrug:

Jovana.
Sep 11th, 2007, 08:43 PM
so guilty.

Monica_Rules
Sep 11th, 2007, 08:44 PM
How can anyone say guilty? We know nothing at the moment except some leaked info to the press.

What happened to innocent untill proven guilty?

God if most people on this board sat on a jury they'd say guilty just cos the thing got to trial :rolleyes:

Just Do It
Sep 11th, 2007, 08:50 PM
Not guilty.

gentenaire
Sep 11th, 2007, 08:54 PM
How can anyone say guilty? We know nothing at the moment except some leaked info to the press.

What happened to innocent untill proven guilty?

God if most people on this board sat on a jury they'd say guilty just cos the thing got to trial :rolleyes:

amen

Chris 84
Sep 11th, 2007, 08:58 PM
We are in no position to say whether they are guilty or not.

We have not got all of the information in front of us, and we don't know exactly what the evidence against them is.

They haven't even been charged yet.

I, personally think that the whole thing is odd, and I personally think that they were irresponsible in leaving their children alone. However, since I know practically nothing about the thing, I am certainly not going to comment on their guilt. To accuse parents of murdering their daughter without knowing anything much about the evidence is downright retarded :weirdo:

Kart
Sep 11th, 2007, 09:11 PM
They're not guilty.

I know this is a difficult concept for the conspiracy theorists that watch too much Law and Order to accept but most parents don't kill their children and then create the biggest media campaign for ages to find them.

-Ph51-
Sep 11th, 2007, 09:30 PM
give justice some time to work it out and we'll see!

daniela86
Sep 11th, 2007, 09:35 PM
They're not guilty.

I know this is a difficult concept for the conspiracy theorists that watch too much Law and Order to accept but most parents don't kill their children and then create the biggest media campaign for ages to find them.

That's also my intuition:) but as Chris 84 said,we don't have enough informations to judge.

Halardfan
Sep 11th, 2007, 09:36 PM
If the rumours of what they found in the hire car are true, then it looks very very bad.

At the moment the rumours change by the hour though so its not reasonable to talk in terms of certainty either way at the moment.

SunriseSunset
Sep 11th, 2007, 09:36 PM
I've been convinced from day one that they were guilty...but now I'm not so sure after seeing a film where the parents got sent to prison for killing their daughter...it turned out they were innocent and her killer got away with it.

I guess I don't know now...

SvetaPleaseWin.
Sep 11th, 2007, 09:52 PM
i reckon they're guilty-i find the whole press thing very strange, to be honest they just pissed me off doing that whole tour of europe and meeting the pope and what not. yes its sad that shes missing/dead but i think they have rubbed people up the wrong way by seemingly enjoying the press exposure
they seem dodgy to me-guilty

Chris 84
Sep 11th, 2007, 09:57 PM
i reckon they're guilty-i find the whole press thing very strange, to be honest they just pissed me off doing that whole tour of europe and meeting the pope and what not. yes its sad that shes missing/dead but i think they have rubbed people up the wrong way by seemingly enjoying the press exposure
they seem dodgy to me-guilty

That is a rather ludicrous thing to say.

If they are not guilty, then all that they were doing was creating publicity to help find their daughter. Sure, it helps that they are white, middle class and well educated, but that is hardly their fault. They did a lot of publicity....I wouldn't have said that they looked like they "enjoyed it".

Monica_Rules
Sep 11th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Chris you are spot on.

frees
Sep 11th, 2007, 10:14 PM
We are in no position to say whether they are guilty or not.

We have not got all of the information in front of us, and we don't know exactly what the evidence against them is.

They haven't even been charged yet.

I, personally think that the whole thing is odd, and I personally think that they were irresponsible in leaving their children alone. However, since I know practically nothing about the thing, I am certainly not going to comment on their guilt. To accuse parents of murdering their daughter without knowing anything much about the evidence is downright retarded :weirdo:

I totally agree with Chris, people who have no knowledge about this case have no right to judge the parents. What everyone in this thread is doing is just guessing about what the parents did or didn't do. All these assumptions, because that is all this is, are inappropriate.

If they are innocent, I can't even imagine what they must be going through, with all these accusations coming their way.

Hannah-Louise
Sep 11th, 2007, 10:19 PM
I really dont understand it at all. BUTTTT apparently there was a FREE babysitting service (so my boss told me but not sure on that one) and there must be a reason for them to be in the frame over than this whole car business. its weird. time shall tell ey.

Elisse
Sep 11th, 2007, 11:41 PM
If we are going with gut instinct - I didn't trust them from the start. (I also know many other people who all felt the same way about them, that there was 'something' about them they didn't like/trust.)

As for everything else - I think they come across as very emotionless, they have refused to answer certain questions, they pick and choose when they want the media attention, their body language in interviews is very strange and a lot of it indicates that they are lying or have something to hide. If they are innocent why have a pact of silence amonst them and the other members of the Tapas9? How have they been able to get so much influence with the media and politicians? They have tried to discredit the Portugese media, when in fact the Portugese media have been far more unbiased and more accurate than the british press. After making so much money for the Find Madeleine Fund - they now want to use that money to defend themselves instead of using it for the purpose it was originally intended. To me, they have no morals.

About the case, there seems to be a lot of damning evidence coming out which indicates that they had something to do with the crime, so much evidence does not come from no where!! If you have nothing to hide - why refuse to answer 40 questions for the police? Why leave the country immediately? If they have nothing to hide - why so many inconsistancies in the timeline of the night Madeleine went missing? Why did Kate call Sky News 20 minutes before she called the police on the night Madeleine went missing? Why lie about the Tapas 9 consuming 14 bottles of wine on the night Maddy went missing? If they have nothing to hide - why don't they just tell the whole honest truth, instead of using so much spin :help: If they didn't sedate their children, why did Gerry refuse to allow the police to urine test the twins? Even if they arn't guilty of killing their daughter - why leave 3 young children on their own in an unlocked room?

IMO, there are too many inconsistancies and odd things in this case for the McCanns and/or their friends to not be involved in some way :sad:

Marshmallow
Sep 12th, 2007, 11:13 AM
Well, the portugese Police and public prosecutor think they're GUILTY!!!!!!! And they know more than we do, and it seems they have considered the possibility of DNA through transfer (in day to day life).

Personally, i'm a little on the fence, i only have to think back to that Australian case (Lindie something) who was accused of killing her baby, but turns out a wild dog took it.

However, i think their cold demeanour during their pleas for Madeline's return were just a bit suspect. They were reading that script, yet i saw not much emotion. I'd have thought most people wanting the safe return of their daughter that had just been taken - daughter they'd loved so much would have maybe had a teardrop or a sense of desperation in their voice - SOMETHING. It was as though they'd just been boiled.

This OTT media campaign, if they are guilty, could just be what they needed to avert suspicious. Got people on side, sympathy - and now people just can't believe it's possible. Most people thinking the portugese police are incompetent in some way.

With respect to evidence, i think the only information missing to make a VERY strong case against them, is the amount of DNA or substance found. But there must be a great deal for the public prosecutor to take less than a day to consider then guilty. Other than that, there's madelines DNA, a large amount of her hair, death sniffer dogs going crazy at the boot of the car, and Madeline's body fluids - in a car hired 25 days AFTER she went missing.

Parents get back into the UK and try to use a large amount of Madeline's fund to get a top lawyer then enxt day... It's all very suspicious.

I remain on the fence, and i think this is such a juicy story. Can't wait to see public reaction if they are guilty, considering the WEEKS of never ending coverage, and the high profile, celebrity ridden missing campaign. British public duped by devious, murderous duo! Child killers dupe Britain!

So, yeah, on the fence, but can see them being guilty.

Marshmallow
Sep 12th, 2007, 11:15 AM
:tape: 63% think guilty. :eek:

kittyking
Sep 12th, 2007, 11:26 AM
Im probably going to be called a TWAT for this anyway so here I go...

I dont know if Madeline McCann is alive or dead, or to what degree the parents had in her dissapearance (you never leave a small child out of your sight in a foreign country, thats neglect) - but I was very suspicious from the start when they made it such an issue. Maybe Madelines mum desperately wanted to be kissed by the Pope? The dad looks far more innocent to me than the mother does

So the answer from me is - Yes theyre both guilty, but at the moment only for neglect of a child

kittyking
Sep 12th, 2007, 11:28 AM
We are in no position to say whether they are guilty or not.

We have not got all of the information in front of us, and we don't know exactly what the evidence against them is.

They haven't even been charged yet.

I, personally think that the whole thing is odd, and I personally think that they were irresponsible in leaving their children alone. However, since I know practically nothing about the thing, I am certainly not going to comment on their guilt. To accuse parents of murdering their daughter without knowing anything much about the evidence is downright retarded :weirdo:

I agree with you about keeping an open mind because we dont know all the vital information yet - but we do have enough evidence to make an assumption that Madelines parents left her alone in a foreign country with no one looking over her....thats very dangerous

Marshmallow
Sep 12th, 2007, 11:44 AM
Im probably going to be called a TWAT for this anyway so here I go...

I dont know if Madeline McCann is alive or dead, or to what degree the parents had in her dissapearance (you never leave a small child out of your sight in a foreign country, thats neglect) - but I was very suspicious from the start when they made it such an issue. Maybe Madelines mum desperately wanted to be kissed by the Pope? The dad looks far more innocent to me than the mother does

So the answer from me is - Yes theyre both guilty, but at the moment only for neglect of a child

Not TWATish at all. A portion of the portugese population feel the same as you because apparently, in portugal, the late night entertainment spots are very child friendly. There is no real problem with taking kids to resturants etc. So people were stunned the the MaCcan left their kids alone (if they did, unless the night out was just an a cover after they had killed Madeline :eek:).

If you want time alone, honestly, why not leave the kids with relatives and go on a trip alone. Irresponsible and neglegent. Perhaps even murderous - stay tuned!

Maryamator
Sep 12th, 2007, 11:53 AM
Well, uve seen their interviews and stuff, it shows theyve been going thru loads of stuff especially the mother, I dont they are guilty but i think leaving 2 children alone in an appartement is kind of foolish, all i want right now is for the police to find a safe healthy madeleine.

mc8114
Sep 12th, 2007, 11:59 AM
they are guilty of leaving the children alone,
about others allegation i guess we have to wait to find out.

jamatthews
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:04 PM
they are guilty of leaving the children alone,
about others allegation i guess we have to wait to find out.

Exactly. Whether directly or indirectly they are guilty of her disappearance.

kittyking
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:14 PM
Not TWATish at all. A portion of the portugese population feel the same as you because apparently, in portugal, the late night entertainment spots are very child friendly. There is no real problem with taking kids to resturants etc. So people were stunned the the MaCcan left their kids alone (if they did, unless the night out was just an a cover after they had killed Madeline :eek:).

If you want time alone, honestly, why not leave the kids with relatives and go on a trip alone. Irresponsible and neglegent. Perhaps even murderous - stay tuned!

But I was talking to some one of my friends whose on a student exchange in Poro the other day and he said that noone leaves their kids alone, especially not students - thats why I am personally very curious to know why those parents did neglect that child by leaving her alone by herself.

If the parents wanted to go for a night out then they should have
a) Gone the whole trip without their kids, leaving them at home with a guardian
b) Sent the kids home a day early
c) Found another safe alternative

Its sort of like the whole leaving the child in a car thing, its simply irresponsible of parents to leave children in the car - so if their child dies in the car give those parents send them to jail and throw away the key!

kittyking
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:16 PM
Well, uve seen their interviews and stuff, it shows theyve been going thru loads of stuff especially the mother, I dont they are guilty but i think leaving 2 children alone in an appartement is kind of foolish, all i want right now is for the police to find a safe healthy madeleine.

I dont care about the other stuff that the mothers been going through! Madeline was her daughter and she neglected her by leaving her without a guardian! This is unresponsible of her and if I was the Pope I would have wacked her over the head rather than giving her a kiss!

*abby*
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:36 PM
i think realistically now its safe to assume that maddy wont be found alive
as for the parents guilt, i have always thought that there was something dodgy going on. one thing that gets me is why was the mother shouting "theyve taken her"? fair enough in a panic stricken moment ur not thinking clearly but why that instead of maddy is gone or i cant find maddy?
now with this evidence in the hire car it all just seems a bit too much to be a coincidence.
if they are inncoent then i do feel really bad for them. they have lost one child and now their others may be taken away from them too. but at the end of the day, if she hadnt been left alone in the apartment she could never have gone missing could she.

kittyking
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:42 PM
if they are inncoent then i do feel really bad for them. they have lost one child and now their others may be taken away from them too. but at the end of the day, if she hadnt been left alone in the apartment she could never have gone missing could she.

I feel sorry for the kids not for Madelines Mum

I bet that this is not the first time that Madelines Mum has left her kids alone, if anything I'm just alittle surprised that it had to be from an apartment

Avid Merrion
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:54 PM
^ it's not just the mothers fault for leaving Madeleine alone. her dad went out and left her too, you know. or have we went back to the 1950's here?

kittyking
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:58 PM
^ it's not just the mothers fault for leaving Madeleine alone. her dad went out and left her too, you know. or have we went back to the 1950's here?

Im just picking on her mother because shes the one who came across as more suspicious in my eyes. I wouldnt completely surprised if the mother had something to do with her death and the father knew nothing about it - I wouldnt be surprised further more if the mother actually lied to him and said that someone was at the appartment looking after them.

*abby*
Sep 12th, 2007, 01:38 PM
they did both leave the kids when they went out for the meal and they both were going back to check on them so he wasnt in the dark about anything.
personally i think that there was some sort of accident and that they both panicked.

Mike_T
Sep 12th, 2007, 04:16 PM
If they didn't sedate their children, why did Gerry refuse to allow the police to urine test the twins?

I'd not heard that before. That would of come from the Police, and like a lot of the other hearsay, not verifiable as yet, but if true, completely unexplainable and highly suspicious.

I too picked up on how shifty they were in front of the cameras.


Tapas9

What's 'Tapas9'?

JAMESYBABY!
Sep 12th, 2007, 04:18 PM
the dad guilty the mum not

tarheel
Sep 12th, 2007, 06:08 PM
dont you think if only one of them was involved the other one had to know about it though?

kittyking
Sep 13th, 2007, 02:14 AM
the dad guilty the mum not

As you know I think the complete opposite of that

dont you think if only one of them was involved the other one had to know about it though?

Nope, read what I said earlier...

V-MAC
Sep 13th, 2007, 11:50 AM
they did both leave the kids when they went out for the meal and they both were going back to check on them so he wasnt in the dark about anything.
personally i think that there was some sort of accident and that they both panicked.

That is pretty much what I think too but :shrug: Time will tell hopefully what really happened.

kittyking
Sep 13th, 2007, 11:58 AM
That is pretty much what I think too but :shrug: Time will tell hopefully what really happened.

ARGH! PLEASE DONT MENTION THE T WORD! :smash:

No but seriously, this has taken way to much time just to get to this point - wouldnt the body have nearly totally decomposed by now or something (thats if Madelines dead, which I hope she isnt)

homogenius
Sep 13th, 2007, 05:28 PM
I don't if they're guilty of her disparition, but the way they used the medias is disturbing.Guilty or not, in both cases their situation is horrible : if they're innocents, the accusation added to the disparition of their daughter must be hard to deal with.If they're guilty, they can't stop all the shit they've started because it's too late now.So it'll be continue untli there are some proofs against them.
At this stage, I find difficult to believe than just of them is concerned and that the other ignored what happened (if guilty).

Monica_Rules
Sep 13th, 2007, 05:41 PM
I find it funny that based on the fact that they left their kids. (Which was a stupid thing to do and i wouldn't do it but i'm pretty sure a large % of parents have done it at some time) and the thought that they looked 'shifty' means they killed her. :rolleyes: They haven't even found a body yet:o

Talk about a classic 2 + 2= 10

In all honesty shes most likely dead by now statistically. I'm on the fence at the moment but leaning towards innocent, if i'm poven wrong so be it but justice in a free world is based on innocent untill PROVEN guilty and this is yet to be proven.

babsi
Sep 13th, 2007, 05:51 PM
large % of parents have done it at some time

I doubt it is a large % - most people I know would NEVER do it in a million years. I have never done it and never will. It is just wrong on so many levels and most responsible parents realise that.

VivalaSeles
Sep 13th, 2007, 06:21 PM
I find it funny that based on the fact that they left their kids.

And they chose to do so, because the apartment complex they stayed in has a nanny service.

I do not think that most posters are saying the McCann-s are guilty, just that they think or they suspect they are guilty. Obviously, till they are proven guilty, they are innocent. And, personally, I really, really hope they are innocent. Nonetheless, I suspect they might be guilty and Elisse in her post pointed out a few reasons why I think so.

Elisse
Sep 13th, 2007, 11:17 PM
What's 'Tapas9'?

Hi Mike!! When I said the 'Tapas9' I was referring to the McCanns and friends that were all in the Tapas restaurant on the evening that Madeleine 'disappeared'

Tapas9 = Gerry McCann, Kate McCann, Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien, Rachel Oldfield, Matthew Oldfield, Fiona Payne, David Payne, Dianne Webster.

kittyking
Sep 13th, 2007, 11:50 PM
large % of parents have done it at some time

I doubt it is a large % - most people I know would NEVER do it in a million years. I have never done it and never will. It is just wrong on so many levels and most responsible parents realise that.

And it would be an even lower % that would leave them alone on a holiday (I mean come on, its the kids holiday too!)

Randy H
Sep 14th, 2007, 03:13 AM
I think it's still too soon to accurately make any judgement on the McCann's guilt or innocence. I'm not convinced that we have been informed of the full specifics of the supposed evidence they have, so I won't jump to any conclusions. Obviously there's a huge amount of pressure on the authorities to make progress in the case, and we've seen cases before where police are quick to point fingers when they have any potential straw to grasp at.

My first thought was the Ramsey family after the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Police did a poor job of securing the crime scene which meant potentially crucial evidence was tampered with or destroyed. They were unable to find a suspect and with the amount of coverage the story had, there was a lot of pressure for it to be solved. When they couldn't find a suspect, fingers started going to John and Patsy Ramsey, as well as their son. I think now, most people have come to the realization that they were not involved, but at the peak of the media coverage that was certainly not the case.

Honestly, the questioning of the McCann's as poential suspects should have been done long ago, regardless of whether they had the evidence they claim to have now. You have to question everyone thoroughly who in theory could have been involved. Now, all this time has passed, the investigation has been messed up so many times since the beginning that even if they do find wat they consider sufficient enough evidence to make charges, there's still likely going to be a large cloud of doubt either way.

I really hope that the McCann's were not somehow involved, it would be especially sad knowing how much public outpour has been made (not to mention the financial contributions) to help find this little girl.

Philbo
Nov 14th, 2007, 01:20 PM
I believe they are full innocent and the incompetent portugese police are just setting them up.

Meghanns Journey
Nov 14th, 2007, 05:26 PM
I believe they are full innocent and the incompetent portugese police are just setting them up.

I don't know about that but they are definitely the scapegoat in this situation. I feel so sorry for them because it's like a double whammy. I hope their innocence is proven very soon.

sfselesfan
Nov 14th, 2007, 05:30 PM
Umm...what happened to the presumption of innocence. "Not Guilty" is not a proclamation of innocence, it just means that the case hasn't been proven completely. "Guilty" means there is no reasonble doubt that they did it. I can see a million alternate, reasonable scenarios. Does that mean I'm convinced of their innocence? No.

I picked "not guilty" because the case has yet to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

SF

jenny161185
Nov 14th, 2007, 06:30 PM
I cant understand how soo many people think theyre guilty???