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Corswandt
Sep 10th, 2007, 07:00 PM
Sharapova's triumph at the 2006 USO was the last time a teenaged player won a Grand Slam tournament. Ivanovic will be 20 y.o. by the end of this season, and with her goes, IMO, the last realistic chance of a teenager again winning a Grand Slam tournament in the coming years.

The AER has limited the experience (and the ranking points) teenagers can obtain on their first few years on the Tour, and has arguably made it tougher for them to breakthrough as early as they once did.

Also, none of the 1989-1991 age group players seem to fulfil the requirements of the true supernova: huge weapons for instant success. Some of them (like say Szavay) already have good all-around games and can develop into excellent, versatile players, but that will take time. They don't have that big weapon that makes you look at them and instantly recognize a potential world beater. The exception is perhaps Vaidisova, but her game has obvious limitations, and she has so far been unable to give that extra step to prove that she can be a contender.

So

Will we ever see a teenager win a Grand Slam tournament again? If so, who? When?

If no teenager wins a Slam ever again, I'll call this poll "the curse of Corswandt". Sort of like the curse of Béla Guttmann, according to which Benfica would never again win the European Champion's Cup. Benfica has already reached 5 finals of the Cup after Guttmann left the club, but lost all of them.

gaggleguy
Sep 10th, 2007, 07:28 PM
yes, but might not for awhile... there will be more tennis teen prodigys in the future, although, the current generation isn't impressive

Viktymise
Sep 10th, 2007, 07:47 PM
Vaidisova could win one next year, she has the game, just not the mind yet. Players such as Azarenka, Szavay, Radwanska won't win slams in their teenage years although i think they will have great chances to do so as they mature. I guess Paszek should be seriously considered since she is still only 16 and is in the top 50, i doubt she will win one next year but maybe in 2009 if she stays healthy. She needs a better serve though.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:00 PM
A better question might be when will we see a 30 year old win a Grand Slam again. I think the wait for that will be a lot longer than the wait for a teen Grand Slam champ personally.

But to answer the question I see a few candidates at the moment but Paszek does look the most likely. She has another three years of Grand Slam competition to accomplish the feat.

Tennace
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Nicole still has 5 slams left as being a teenager. Good chance it may happen. Paszek has a good chance too, since she has like 12 slams left as a teenager (I think).

tarheel
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:34 PM
i think itll definitly happen again, maybe not for awhile but it will

Kworb
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Paszek in 2009

Vaidisova :haha:

HenryMag.
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:39 PM
Vaidisova and Paszek are the only ones that have a chance to win it....

Vaidisova already reached 2 SF, so with a lucky draw (like in AO) she can reach the final and win it.

Natalicious
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:40 PM
vaidisova & paszek have a chance IMO

faboozadoo15
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:43 PM
Maybe not for a while, but it will certainly happen again.

Tennisstar86
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:47 PM
A better question might be when will we see a 30 year old win a Grand Slam again. I think the wait for that will be a lot longer than the wait for a teen Grand Slam champ personally.

But to answer the question I see a few candidates at the moment but Paszek does look the most likely. She has another three years of Grand Slam competition to accomplish the feat.

depends on how "long" of a wait your talkin. I mean i can easily see Davenport coming back and winning a slam...OR i can easily see Venus and Henin winning slams when they are 30. And Serena if she gets back into shape......

sharapovarulz1
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:47 PM
Vaidisova could win one next year, she has the game, just not the mind yet. Players such as Azarenka, Szavay, Radwanska won't win slams in their teenage years although i think they will have great chances to do so as they mature. I guess Paszek should be seriously considered since she is still only 16 and is in the top 50, i doubt she will win one next year but maybe in 2009 if she stays healthy. She needs a better serve though.

I think the teenagers most likely to win a slam in there teenage years is Vaidisova, Azarenka and Szavay they arethe only ones who stand out for me!

OFF-TOPIC: I love your avatar do you have that in the full sized picture? :D

Lunaris
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:48 PM
Ever is such a long period of time.

Wayn77
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:52 PM
Tamira Paszek

Nicole Sexysova - if she can avoid Shahar Peer :p

Serval
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:11 PM
Yes, but not this current bunch.

Bruno71
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:29 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Cornet win one by the end of her teens.

CarlaValenti
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:53 PM
The question isn't well formulated because a teenager can win a Slam in 30 years. Anyway, if we talk of here to two or three years, these are my bets: Vaidisova, Azarenka or Paszek.

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:28 PM
It would really be hard to have another teen champion as players now are not allowed to play full time on WTA tour until 18?

Unlike before, players are allowed on tour at an earlier age.

bellascarlett
Sep 11th, 2007, 02:01 AM
Sharapova's triumph at the 2006 USO was the last time a teenaged player won a Grand Slam tournament. Ivanovic will be 20 y.o. by the end of this season, and with her goes, IMO, the last realistic chance of a teenager again winning a Grand Slam tournament in the coming years.

The AER has limited the experience (and the ranking points) teenagers can obtain on their first few years on the Tour, and has arguably made it tougher for them to breakthrough as early as they once did.


Thing is, was Maria under the same AER restrictions as the ones under them today? Was the number of tournaments Maria was allowed to play in say when she was 16 or 17 the same number as for today's 16 or 17 year olds? Has it gotten stricter in the last 2-3 years?

In any case, Paszek is the best bet. She has the fighting spirit and fierce personality Maria had then. But the weapon Maria had that Paszek doesn't have (still) is a strong reliable serve...which was important when Maria won Wimbledon at 17.

Corswandt
Sep 11th, 2007, 02:28 AM
Thing is, was Maria under the same AER restrictions as the ones under them today? Was the number of tournaments Maria was allowed to play in say when she was 16 or 17 the same number as for today's 16 or 17 year olds? Has it gotten stricter in the last 2-3 years?

I think the AER must have been around since the mid 1990s - it was introduced much because of Capriati's late 1993 meltdown after all - but I'm not sure. I don't suppose the AER has changed all that much since then.

RenaSlam.
Sep 11th, 2007, 02:29 AM
Of course.

DownTheLine21
Sep 11th, 2007, 02:30 AM
I think the AER must have been around since the mid 1990s - it was introduced much because of Capriati's late 1993 meltdown after all - but I'm not sure. I don't suppose the AER has changed all that much since then.

Hasn't it changed since the Hingis era?

Aaron.
Sep 11th, 2007, 02:34 AM
Is Chakvetadze still a teenager :confused:

Tennisstar86
Sep 11th, 2007, 02:51 AM
Hasn't it changed since the Hingis era?

Yes... I because Venus and Serena werent under it... I think the new rules happened right after Serena aged in. If i remember correctly there was some american girl complaining about how she could be as good as "Venus" but wasnt allowed to play so many tournaments as venus did when she was her age. Cant remember her name now. But they did a tv special on it. May have been brie whitehead....:help:

bellascarlett
Sep 11th, 2007, 03:02 AM
I think the AER must have been around since the mid 1990s - it was introduced much because of Capriati's late 1993 meltdown after all - but I'm not sure. I don't suppose the AER has changed all that much since then.

Yeah, I doubt it has changed much especially since Maria's time under the AER as that was just a few years ago. So if the players are really very good early on, I don't think the AER is that much to blame. It's been done before, so someone can accomplish the same feat again. I mean, we just saw 16 yr old Paszek just reach the fourth round. Imo though, it's the mind that lifts teenagers up to a championship win. Lots have the skills to get to the latter stages of slams, but it's that unique mental toughness and self-belief at 16, 17, 18 that enables one to be a slam champion at that young age.

Is Chakvetadze still a teenager :confused:

Chaky's 20.

jellybelly
Sep 11th, 2007, 03:02 AM
I think the AER must have been around since the mid 1990s - it was introduced much because of Capriati's late 1993 meltdown after all - but I'm not sure. I don't suppose the AER has changed all that much since then.

It was introduced in 1994. Serena half assedly participated in a tournament that year just to avoid being put under the rules. Then in 1997, the rules were broadened and restrictions on play schedule were reduced to appease then teenage phenoms Anna Kournikova and Mirjana Lucic. Then later, rules were broadened again and teens were allowed to play even more, this time to appease teen phenom Sharapova. If some hot young thing comes up in the next couple of years the AER could be abolished totally.

Derek.
Sep 11th, 2007, 03:04 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Cornet win one by the end of her teens.

Alize has a long way to go before she can be considered slam material.

#1SteffiGraf#1
Sep 11th, 2007, 03:18 AM
Paszek will have a chance...I think she will at least make it to a final or two in the next 3 years...WILL SHE WIN IT THOUGH???

Thats why we watch :)

bunch_01
Sep 11th, 2007, 03:24 AM
I voted no because I hate what happens when a teen phenom comes along. The commentators inner pedophile comes out and they just gush gush gush about youth youth youth.

What I want to see happen is a thirtysomething who's been out of contention and consideration for a while come along and really burn it up one year. For some reason they really hate to see someone they think should be retired actually have a vibrant career into their mid thirties. Sybille Bammer would be my most perfect candidate for this late breakout year. Or even Lindsay if she feels like making a come back after the next kid.

thetennisutopian
Sep 11th, 2007, 04:57 AM
Yeah an older person would be great. Maybe Meilen Tu or Kristina Brandi will win a few... lolz.

As for teenage players, I can definitely see Paszek winning one.

Bulgaria
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:48 AM
Why not.

Pasta-Na
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:53 AM
zhang shuai :p

Jaffas85
Sep 11th, 2007, 06:55 AM
Among today's current teen crop I think the only realistic candidate is Nicole Vaidisova.

She's already reached the SF's of the 2006 French Open and the 2007 Australian Open and had match points to reach the SF of the 2007 Wimbledon but blew her chances and Ivanovic ended up beating her.

So physically Vaidisova has the ability to win a Grand Slam before she turns 20 and while mentally she can be suspect sometimes she has shown she can beat big players on the big courts so I think it could happen for her.

BTW, I think if Vaidisova wins a Grand Slam it will be the Australian Open or the French Open. Those surfaces seem to suit her more.

ViennaCalling
Sep 11th, 2007, 06:56 AM
:eek: So many people saying Tamira :eek:

If she stays healthy (!) and improves her serve she maybe will win a GS in the next 3 years - but for sure not on Clay :lol:

-sugi-
Sep 11th, 2007, 06:57 AM
yes I think so. It may be a while though.

Jaffas85
Sep 11th, 2007, 07:00 AM
:eek: So many people saying Tamira :eek:

If she stays healthy (!) and improves her serve she maybe will win a GS in the next 3 years - but for sure not on Clay :lol:


Really?

Considering her all court ability and relative lack of power wouldn't the French Open be most likely (Considering that especially at the U.S. Open and Wimbledon that big hitters will be able to wipe her off the court especially in the deeper part of the tournament).

Lulu.
Sep 11th, 2007, 07:00 AM
I think Nicole has the best shot to do it.

mankind
Sep 11th, 2007, 07:01 AM
:o

Think for a minute before you post threads. Who's to say that in 20 years time there won't be a teenager winning a slam? Who's to say it won't happen in the next 2 years?

ViennaCalling
Sep 11th, 2007, 07:03 AM
Really?

Considering her all court ability and relative lack of power wouldn't the French Open be most likely (Considering that especially at the U.S. Open and Wimbledon that big hitters will be able to wipe her off the court especially in the deeper part of the tournament).

Well, her Clay Season was bad in comparison to the Grass and Hardcourt tournaments. Tamira lost in 3 sets to Sharapova in Birmingham and in 3 sets to Henin in Dubai - so i think she will most likely do well either on grass (if her serve gets stronger) or on Hardcourt.

gaggleguy
Sep 11th, 2007, 07:12 AM
A better question might be when will we see a 30 year old win a Grand Slam again. I think the wait for that will be a lot longer than the wait for a teen Grand Slam champ personally.




First of all its not like 30 year olds winnning GS has happened a lot in the recent past. Since 1990 (Martina N's last GS), it has happaned only ONCE, Graf in '99 (almost exactly on her 30th birthdate). That's 1 time in 68 Slams.

If anything I think it's getting more likely to have a 30-yr old GS winner in the next few years. Venus will be 30 at 2010 Wimby, Davnport is comming back to the tour full time, Mauresmo is approaching 30 and she cant be counted out.

ViennaCalling
Sep 11th, 2007, 12:04 PM
Really?

Considering her all court ability and relative lack of power wouldn't the French Open be most likely (Considering that especially at the U.S. Open and Wimbledon that big hitters will be able to wipe her off the court especially in the deeper part of the tournament).

Lack of power? :eek: Maybe the serve, but did you see her backhand?

auntie janie
Sep 11th, 2007, 12:52 PM
Yes, definitely.

I'm way too lazy to cogitate about Who and When though; sorry! :o

jonny84
Sep 13th, 2007, 07:19 PM
Think about the US Open bottom half of the draw

Szavay, Azarenka, Pasek, Aggie Radwanska.....

all teenagers and who posted upsets and all reached the fourth round.

They should all have big breakthroughs and should hopefully do well at slams.

Emina.
Sep 13th, 2007, 07:22 PM
not in the near future.

darice
Sep 14th, 2007, 11:22 AM
i don't think so at least not in the next few years but it's not a bad thing. i think that the gs win coming later will prolly help them deal with the pressure better.

Jaffas85
Sep 14th, 2007, 11:26 AM
Vaidisova is the only realistic one to win a Grand Slam tournament from the current teenage crop as she has the physical and mental fortitude to go deep in Slams and defeat significant players.

Corswandt
Sep 14th, 2007, 06:01 PM
:o

Think for a minute before you post threads. Who's to say that in 20 years time there won't be a teenager winning a slam? Who's to say it won't happen in the next 2 years?

We can't say for sure, you're right.

But we can point out what we feel are new trends.

We can say that the appearance of precocity record breaking supernovas like Seles, Hingis or Capriati seems less and less likely, or that it now seems unlikely that there will ever be a teenaged #1 again.

Shonami Slam
Sep 14th, 2007, 07:31 PM
i don't know when it might happen, but we most likely are going to see this champion lift the RG trophy.
justine needs to finish up her streak, and some 17 y.o can make it with a bit of luck.

think majoli, but younger.