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Pureracket
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:44 PM
JH has han incredible year by any standards. She's responded to the traumatic breakup of her marriage, the reconnection with her family, and various health issues. She is clearly the #1 player in the world - but not just on paper. Her strokes are solid, and she could possibly have the most technically sound game on either tour.

However, American women have long dominated the tour. Even when Steffi, and Hingis were #1, there was Monica and the Williams Sisters. I don't think Venus and Serena's days are over, but I do think their days might be shorter than JH's who seems to focus solely on tennis.

Is the idea of American womens tennis domination finally a thing of the past?

Sam L
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:15 PM
Not really, as long as the sisters are around. They still won half of the slams played this year.

I think the US just needs new players coming through. I remember when Lindsay won the 98 US Open, it was a huge thing because she was the first American born woman to win a grand slam since Evert. It was the changing of the guard and she inspired the others.

The Williams sisters could still do the same. They're not done yet.

Pureracket
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:58 PM
Oh, I know they're not done yet, but there seems to be a bit of a bottomless pit now after their departure from the sport.

This is the first time I can remember that there is not a succession of American female prospects in tennis.

Shepster
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:02 PM
The period of domination was 1999-2003. From Wimbledon 1999-Wimbledon 2003 inclusive, American women won 15 out of 17 grand slams. Since then it's Belgium 7, Russia 4, America 4, France 2.

In the same period (post-Wimbledon 03) Ana Ivanovic is the only person to reach a grand slam final who is not American, French, Belgian or Russian. In terms of finalists it is Belgium 12, Russia 9, USA 7, France 5, then Ivanovic for Serbia.

WTA Tour Championships - Same 4 countries + Switzerland (Hingis and Schnyder) are only competitors from 04-06 - Russian, French and Belgian winners.

From late 2003 onwards no country has dominated the tour, it's been the usual suspects : Russia, France, Belgium and America. Is the idea of American womens tennis domination finally a thing of the past? Yes it is a thing of the past but it's not all of a sudden "finally" because it was clear the domination was over 3 years ago.

Pureracket
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:10 PM
Shepster,
I see your point, and those are nice stats, but there has always been that "threat." There has always been that "threat" that an American woman could win every tournament given right circumstances, even when the Russians and Belgians were doing well. There was always a possibility that LD, Serena, and Venus could come through and win every tourney.

I'm not sure that there is that American threat anymore.

Shepster
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Shepster,
I see your point, and those are nice stats, but there has always been that "threat." There has always been that "threat" that an American woman could win every tournament given right circumstances, even when the Russians and Belgians were doing well. There was always a possibility that LD, Serena, and Venus could come through and win every tourney.

I'm not sure that there is that American threat anymore.
I think there definitely is. Serena and Venus have both won slams this year. Serena won Miami. They're big tournament players and will always be threats whether they take their tennis seriously or not. The only tournament they're not a threat at is the French Open but for Americans that is a lower priority than the US Open/Wimbledon.

Trouble for American tennis is there's nobody replacing Capriati and Davenport and there hasn't been an American junior slam champion since 1995. Now, of course not all junior winners translate to adult success and not every who ends up dominating was a great junior but it's a worrying trend. It won't really be an issue for 3-5 years depending on how long the Williamses go, but for the foreseeable future I think American women (i.e. the Williamses) will always be threats in most tournaments they enter.

Lunatiq
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:31 PM
Europe is future of tennis!!

Ceri
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:35 PM
Venus and Serena are still going strong - 2/4 slams isn't bad in a year is it? Nope. As for the up-and-coming crop of American women, I have no idea - same for Belgium. But Justine's work ethic is far higher than that of either Venus or Serena, and that has and will continue to pay dividends.

Pureracket
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:25 PM
Europe is future of tennis!!
Maybe you're right. I'm wondering what this lack of American dominance will mean.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:28 PM
I fear the worst for American tennis once Serena and Venus retires.... the European pool of talent seems to outnumber the American counterparts 10-1 :scared:

jellybelly
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:33 PM
uh Hello? Henin still did not beat a healthy Vee or Ree. They showed that they can easily do better and still have better ability than everyone else. It was the lack of matches and Injuries and fitness problems that did them in. I pray to GOD that their injuries heal and they don't have these problems next year. Because then they can show their true level. Besides I am sure that most people who are praising Henin now know in their mind that she could have easily lose the matches against the sisters, it was close.

SV_Fan
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:38 PM
No Not really. We have Monica, Lindsay,Martina,Venus,Serena,Chris,Andrea,Tracey just to name a few.

Pureracket
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:39 PM
No Not really. We have Monica, Lindsay,Martina,Venus,Serena,Chris,Andrea,Tracey just to name a few.Future.

wally1
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:47 PM
At least Americans can be confident they'll never sink to the level of the UK. 30 years since a British woman last won a GS - I just hope I'm still alive to see the next one!

DavidEllul
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:54 PM
Henin still did not beat a healthy Vee or Ree.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes so ture whenever they lose they're not healthy :tape:

Forehand_Volley
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:25 PM
JH has han incredible year by any standards. She's responded to the traumatic breakup of her marriage, the reconnection with her family, and various health issues. She is clearly the #1 player in the world - but not just on paper. Her strokes are solid, and she could possibly have the most technically sound game on either tour.

However, American women have long dominated the tour. Even when Steffi, and Hingis were #1, there was Monica and the Williams Sisters. I don't think Venus and Serena's days are over, but I do think their days might be shorter than JH's who seems to focus solely on tennis.

Is the idea of American womens tennis domination finally a thing of the past?

Henin's victory yesterday didn't kill American dominance in the WTA. Europe did it.

From 1988-1998, only (1) American-born women won a grand slam singles title. That's 1/44 possible GS tournaments.

The last great five-year period of domination for American-born women came in 1999-2003, when American-born women won 15/20 possible GS singles tournaments.

From 2004-2007, American-born women have only won 4/16 possible GS singles tournaments.

Havok
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:27 PM
Um...... American "domination" ended in 2003.

spencercarlos
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:39 PM
Not really, as long as the sisters are around. They still won half of the slams played this year.

I think the US just needs new players coming through. I remember when Lindsay won the 98 US Open, it was a huge thing because she was the first American born woman to win a grand slam since Evert. It was the changing of the guard and she inspired the others.

The Williams sisters could still do the same. They're not done yet.
Having won 2 of 4, but done by 2 different players. Henin did it alone bug difference. And beat Williams sisters 4 times in grand slam play, even with those 2 of 4 wins to think they are the "best" in the world is deluded :lol:

This also applies to 2005, where Belguim and USA split half of the grand slams..

spencercarlos
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:45 PM
uh Hello? Henin still did not beat a healthy Vee or Ree. They showed that they can easily do better and still have better ability than everyone else. It was the lack of matches and Injuries and fitness problems that did them in. I pray to GOD that their injuries heal and they don't have these problems next year. Because then they can show their true level. Besides I am sure that most people who are praising Henin now know in their mind that she could have easily lose the matches against the sisters, it was close.
Venus was playing better than ever, coming off a Wimbledon win, and really beating her nemesis in the quarterfinals in convincing way and coming off beating a bunch of top ten players since Wimbledon.
She then had to play poor Justine whom Venus "owns or owned" 7-1... way to show them this is 2007, not 2003. Straight sets spankings to both Williamses at their home country slam in their best (or second best) fast surface.

:wavey:

Tennisstar86
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:51 PM
Venus was playing better than ever, coming off a Wimbledon win, and really beating her nemesis in the quarterfinals in convincing way and coming off beating a bunch of top ten players since Wimbledon.
She then had to play poor Justine whom Venus "owns or owned" 7-1... way to show them this is 2007, not 2003. Straight sets spankings to both Williamses at their home country slam in their best (or second best) fast surface.

:wavey:

clearly the jankovic took a lot out of Vee...... She really should yell at Serena for not even putting up a fight....... that said.... American tennis is still better off now than it was in the early 90's as steffi really wasnt american..... Not to mention Serena is still considered the best player to ever play the game by most.... shes just fat and lazy. So as long as shes still playing the threat of dominance will always remain.

lizchris
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:52 PM
If they are not the best in the world, they are the most popular. Why would a fan yell "let's go Venus" during last night's final?

Rtael
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:22 PM
If they are not the best in the world, they are the most popular. Why would a fan yell "let's go Venus" during last night's final?


But what does that have to do with this conversation?

lizchris
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:27 PM
But what does that have to do with this conversation?

Probably nothing, just like this topic is nothing.

supergrunt
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:36 PM
I hope you guys know that the more you rub it in people's faces, the worse it is going to come back and bite you. :shrug:

felipe2004
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:44 PM
the usa have two top 10 players, and won 2 Slams this year, that's not bad ;)

rocksania
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:49 PM
america is nt the best nemore,in women's tennis there are lot more gr8er players than the american's and in men's america is just nt at par either.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:50 PM
If they are not the best in the world, they are the most popular. Why would a fan yell "let's go Venus" during last night's final?
Because they wanted a more competitive match like the one from the day before.

-Ph51-
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:59 PM
Seles became american when already on top. ;)

lizchris
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:06 PM
Because they wanted a more competitive match like the one from the day before.


I think they wanted to see Venus.

AlwaysGraf
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:09 PM
clearly the jankovic took a lot out of Vee...... She really should yell at Serena for not even putting up a fight....... that said.... American tennis is still better off now than it was in the early 90's as steffi really wasnt american..... Not to mention Serena is still considered the best player to ever play the game by most.... shes just fat and lazy. So as long as shes still playing the threat of dominance will always remain.


what, was steffi a little bit american then? lol- if that's a language mistake im sorry for finding that statement funny x

cellophane
Sep 9th, 2007, 09:28 PM
uh Hello? Henin still did not beat a healthy Vee or Ree. They showed that they can easily do better and still have better ability than everyone else. It was the lack of matches and Injuries and fitness problems that did them in. I pray to GOD that their injuries heal and they don't have these problems next year. Because then they can show their true level. Besides I am sure that most people who are praising Henin now know in their mind that she could have easily lose the matches against the sisters, it was close.

Princess Rena Warrior Garbagewoman :bigcry:

Jasmin
Sep 9th, 2007, 09:50 PM
I saw the end and clapping was whatever...