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Donatello
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:17 AM
taken a few games off of Henin.

Pironkova would make a good no. 2 in the world.

goldenlox
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:49 AM
Sveta also beat Justine on clay this year. If u mean what did she do at the USO, she went thru her draw until she got to Justine.
No one did more than that.

Craigy
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:50 AM
:weirdo:

Cage
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:13 PM
Kuzy made the final what else is there to say :shrug:

ThreeDT
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:24 PM
Just in the last 2 weeks? Not much, only…

- Won a Tier II tournament
- Runner up in a Grand Slam tournament
- Beaten Agnes Szavay twice (quite impressive fact in itself).
- Reached (yet another) personal best ranking.

This is only in the last 14 days. Please don’t say she did nothing before then because she’s always in the top 5 for years!

Aerien
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:29 PM
Cleaned up the mess that Petrova, Sharapova, Hantuchova, Hingis and Vaidisova left behind by losing to players younger in top tier tennis experience that made people say it was the soft part of the US Open cupcake and preserved the integrity of the Top 10 by being the highest ranked player left to come out of her half alive? :angel:

Bijoux0021
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:39 PM
Kuznetsova's draw was originally designed for Sharapova to NOT face any tough competition before the final, so don't blame Kuzzy for that weak bottom draw.

1000
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:45 PM
I think Kuznetsova has done alot she justg ran into a very motivated Justine

xan
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:09 PM
Kuznetsova's draw was originally designed for Sharapova to NOT face any tough competition before the final, so don't blame Kuzzy for that weak bottom draw.
Mr Paranoia strikes again! :banghead: It's all one big plot.

And if anyone gets easy draws and loads of defaults it's Kuzzie...

Chrisi
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:20 PM
What should she do when Hingis and Sharapova and all the others lost before?

VivalaSeles
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:54 PM
taken a few games off of Henin.

Pironkova would make a good no. 2 in the world.


She did what SHARAPOVA, PETROVA or HINGIS were unable to do.

meyerpl
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:31 PM
Kuznetsova's draw was originally designed for Sharapova to NOT face any tough competition before the final, so don't blame Kuzzy for that weak bottom draw.
Let me guess, Kennedy was also assassinated by the CIA, Elvis is still alive and the U.S. Air Force has an alien in a cage in New Mexico.

Jenny.C.Fan
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:37 PM
So fed up of these ridiculous threads bashing Sveta

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:39 PM
Svetlana deserves her ranking, she has been very consistent, and she is capable of becoming a force. I think the match against Justine could have been more competetive if justine didn't get into her head so early in the match, and if Svetlana didn't sometimes give away big points with nervous shank errors...

She IS a very talented player. If she can get stronger mentally, she could remain right up there for a while.

Kart
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:39 PM
She was a match win away from the US open title.

How many other players have managed that this year ?

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:41 PM
But lets be honest, the bottom half of the draw was ridiculous.

No Name Face
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:47 PM
She was a match win away from the US open title.

How many other players have managed that this year ?

right. no one is debating she's not a solid top 10 player, but #2 in the world?

ThreeDT
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:16 PM
right. no one is debating she's not a solid top 10 player, but #2 in the world?
You haven’t been following her ranking very closely have you? If in the space of 3 years it moves from #5 to #4 to #3 (in that order), now #2 makes perfect sense! I have been following her ranking, in another thread (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=316300) I wrote this which may explain why she is worthy #2 in the world:

“However, something I feel should be noted about Svetlana Kuznetsova is her consistent ranking. When she won the 2004 US Open it rose to no higher than #5 in the world. At the beginning of 2007, Kuznetsova’s rank was at it’s highest point ever (#4). Roughly 3-4 months later she achieves yet another high at #3. Now it seems the Russian will move to #2 regardless of the US Open final.

Her rise has been extremely consistent (never dropping more than 2 or 3 ranks) and in doing so always maintaining her peak positioning among the world’s elite. We still have not seen the best of Svetlana Kuznetsova.”

Jenny.C.Fan
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:26 PM
You haven’t been following her ranking very closely have you? If in the space of 3 years it moves from #5 to #4 to #3 (in that order), now #2 makes perfect sense! I have been following her ranking, in another thread (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=316300) I wrote this which may explain why she is worthy #2 in the world:

“However, something I feel should be noted about Svetlana Kuznetsova is her consistent ranking. When she won the 2004 US Open it rose to no higher than #5 in the world. At the beginning of 2007, Kuznetsova’s rank was at it’s highest point ever (#4). Roughly 3-4 months later she achieves yet another high at #3. Now it seems the Russian will move to #2 regardless of the US Open final.

Her rise has been extremely consistent (never dropping more than 2 or 3 ranks) and in doing so always maintaining her peak positioning among the world’s elite. We still have not seen the best of Svetlana Kuznetsova.”

:worship:

meyerpl
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:27 PM
She did what SHARAPOVA, PETROVA or HINGIS were unable to do.
....along with 60 other players in her half of the draw.

Kart
Sep 10th, 2007, 09:24 AM
right. no one is debating she's not a solid top 10 player, but #2 in the world?

Who would you suggest as an alternative ? :shrug:

Venus and Serena don't play enough and Sharapova is free falling at a frightening pace.

mandy7
Sep 10th, 2007, 09:27 AM
Just in the last 2 weeks? Not much, only…

- Won a Tier II tournament
- Runner up in a Grand Slam tournament
- Beaten Agnes Szavay twice (quite impressive fact in itself).
- Reached (yet another) personal best ranking.

This is only in the last 14 days. Please don’t say she did nothing before then because she’s always in the top 5 for years!

is that all? :p

haha,
Sveta's great!

frontier
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:53 AM
Sveta needs to lose weight she always look sluggish and sweats buckets.In the final it was just embarrassing to see all that sweat dripping from her body and it was clear she was aware of it.The only person in the tournament to trouble Henin was Venus the rest just folded like used newspaper.Sveta is not the same player that won 2004 she is slow and does these ridiculous splits and doesnt look confident at all.On the other hand she is the most talented of the Russians above pova and chakky.

DimaDinosaur
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:56 AM
Sveta has been in 6 finals this year and has only lost 5 of them!!!!! Who else has been in 6 finals except for Henin, Jankovic, and Anna C? So obviously Sveta deserves a top 5 spot!

miss_molik
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:57 AM
I love sveta, she's so sweet. It's great to see her rising like this and doing well :)

Brαm
Sep 10th, 2007, 12:02 PM
Her rise has been extremely consistent (never dropping more than 2 or 3 ranks) and in doing so always maintaining her peak positioning among the world’s elite. We still have not seen the best of Svetlana Kuznetsova.”
Didn't she fnish 2005 as no. 18?

ThreeDT
Sep 10th, 2007, 01:10 PM
Didn't she fnish 2005 as no. 18?
Maybe, but that was a long time ago, appearing to be a major turning point in 2006. I was mainly referring to the last 18 months where there have been at least 3 personal best ranking achievements.
Thanks for that info.:wavey:

ivanban
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:49 PM
Just in the last 2 weeks? Not much, only…

- Won a Tier II tournament
- Runner up in a Grand Slam tournament
- Beaten Agnes Szavay twice (quite impressive fact in itself).
- Reached (yet another) personal best ranking.

This is only in the last 14 days. Please don’t say she did nothing before then because she’s always in the top 5 for years!

Yeah her achievements in last 14 days are unbelievable:
1. Won a Tier II tournament - in a ridiculously weak draw and after her opponent retired in final after winning 1st set
2. Runner up in a Grand Slam tournament - due to her hilariously weak draw, where she didn't beat pretty much nobody significant except Chaky (who had total meltdown)
3. Beaten Agnes Szavay twice (quite impressive fact in itself) - after Szavay leading in New Haven and retiring; and on USO where Szavay had similar meltdown as Chaky
4. Reached (yet another) personal best - well, after all this personal best is logical :unsure:

Donny
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:58 PM
The ranking system for the WTA is ridiculous. They're talking about changing it for next year, aren't they?

Had Kuznetsova been on the other half of the draw, no one would have even thought about her reaching the quarters, much less the finals.

Chrisi
Sep 10th, 2007, 05:13 PM
Yeah her achievements in last 14 days are unbelievable:
1. Won a Tier II tournament - in a ridiculously weak draw and after her opponent retired in final after winning 1st set
2. Runner up in a Grand Slam tournament - due to her hilariously weak draw, where she didn't beat pretty much nobody significant except Chaky (who had total meltdown)
3. Beaten Agnes Szavay twice (quite impressive fact in itself) - after Szavay leading in New Haven and retiring; and on USO where Szavay had similar meltdown as Chaky
4. Reached (yet another) personal best - well, after all this personal best is logical :unsure:

Number 1, 2 and 3 are deinitely her faults :lol: :help:

sharapovarulz1
Sep 10th, 2007, 05:20 PM
Let me guess, Kennedy was also assassinated by the CIA, Elvis is still alive and the U.S. Air Force has an alien in a cage in New Mexico.

:lol: :lol:

aaggjg
Sep 10th, 2007, 05:39 PM
I have always liked Sveta fine.... whatever, not one of my favorites but I'll watch her....

In the past month yes she won the tier II event yes AFTER LOSING SET 1 to Agnes Szavay who retired I belive game 3 of set 2 with a strained back.... if she had been healthy she would have won the match.... There is no question in my mind about that!!! In the USO match that Agnes played vs. Sveta, she seemed overwhelmed by the situation which was unfortunate....

In the last month or so Sveta has subjected tennis fans to 2 of the all time WORST MATCHES I can remember from a top player!!! (Motreal vs. Golovin and the Chakvetadze match) No wonder the media will not take women's tennis seriously!!! As P. Mac said after the Chakvetadze match.... This is the reason that Justine, Serena and Venus can play such limited schedules and sweep the slams. If Justine had not won the final it would have been a sad sad sad day for women's tennis and I am definetly NOT a fan of Justine's!!!!!


So my answer to the question what has Kuzzy done ..... She took advantage of her good luck at the USOPEN, and all credit to her for getting to the final.... But the biggest thing that she has done in the last month??? She has given a lot of hope to the rest of the field!!! Knowing that #2 in the world is really not that good.....

ivanban
Sep 10th, 2007, 05:42 PM
Number 1, 2 and 3 are deinitely her faults :lol: :help:

Of course it's not her fault, but what she has done in last 15 days can hardly be described as significant achievement by any stretch of imagination
Yes, she's sweet as a person and players seems to like her, but ATM she's definetely not deserving #2 spot

MisterMan
Sep 10th, 2007, 05:43 PM
Well she does beat the ever consistent Daniela Hantuchova in finals...oops, nevermind, she doesn't do that either !!

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 10th, 2007, 05:47 PM
Of course it's not her fault, but what she has done in last 15 days can hardly be described as significant achievement by any stretch of imagination
Yes, she's sweet as a person and players seems to like her, but ATM she's definetely not deserving #2 spot

And who's deserving?

Matt01
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:09 PM
And who's deserving?

That's the key point.

Having Kuzzy at #2 instead of Sharpie is already an improvement IMO.

ThreeDT
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:43 PM
In the past month yes she won the tier II event yes AFTER LOSING SET 1 to Agnes Szavay who retired I belive game 3 of set 2 with a strained back.... if she had been healthy she would have won the match.... There is no question in my mind about that!!! In the USO match that Agnes played vs. Sveta, she seemed overwhelmed by the situation which was unfortunate....
Yea, there’s a lot of bias reasoning going on in this thread now – I’m not even a huge fan of Kuz’ but I like her and respect her talent.

The good old “draw” excuse huh? A draw is a pure mathematical equation (operative word being “equation”). I actually don’t think there is 1 single thing more irrelevant in tennis than a “draw”, that’s only my opinion of course, but go ahead and jump on the bandwagon…

Remember Chakvetadze won the first set against Kuznetsova and so did Szavay in the lead up tournamnent final. Szavay was down 0-3 in the second set and probably starting to feel the effects of mental breakdown. If she was that injured, how in the world did she flog Brianti, Krajicek, Petrova, and Vakulenko in straight sets only days after?

I don’t blame her for retiring the week before, but it does sound quite suspicious/precautious. There’s no reason Kuz would not have continued her 3-0 momentum to win that final, and she backed it up to knock her out again in the quarter final of a Grand Slam. Yes maybe Szavay didn’t play her best in this match but let’s not forget how well Kuznetsova did play, awesome tennis!

Il Primo!
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:55 PM
Kuznetsov beat 1 top10 ten player in Grand slam since her only victory. ENOUGH SAID!

Mic-190286
Sep 10th, 2007, 09:10 PM
Cleaned up the mess that Petrova, Sharapova, Hantuchova, Hingis and Vaidisova left behind by losing to players younger in top tier tennis experience that made people say it was the soft part of the US Open cupcake and preserved the integrity of the Top 10 by being the highest ranked player left to come out of her half alive? :angel:

Thank God somebody sees sense! No, she's not the best player, yes she can have mental breakdowns and play bad matches. She may not be the 2nd best player in the world BUT! she deserves the ranking cause she gained the points. Her USO draw was relatively easy for a GS, but she got through unlike a lot of others. Let her be, she'll not be #2 for long anyway!

ivanban
Sep 10th, 2007, 09:21 PM
And who's deserving?

Well, ATM it seems that behind Justine there should be five spots gap, and then someone :unsure: :tape:

Harvs
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:26 PM
svetlana did what she had to do... even if she didnt beat any top players to make the final, thats tennis! full credit to her for reaching her THIRD grand slam final:)

Donatello
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:44 PM
wow, I got bad repped alot because of this thread, yet still it is my most stellar one to date :lol:

A Magicman
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:58 PM
And who's deserving?

Serena or Venus. They're just too often injured.

After that Jankovic and Pova.

And then - amongst others - Igor.

She won't be #2 for long anyway, she has quite some points to defend in the forthcoming weeks.

So it`ll be Jelena to climb up to that spot. Being a fan, I think she's not ready yet to be number 2, I gotta be honest on that.

Matt01
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:11 PM
She won't be #2 for long anyway, she has quite some points to defend in the forthcoming weeks.

Yeah, it looks like Janko will overtake Kuzzy soon and become #2, since Kuzzy has lot to defend in the next few weeks, and Sharpie has a lot to defend at the very end of the season, while Janko doesn't have to defend much. On the other hand Janko cannot gain very much since she will have to play some Tier III's. #2 for would be only logical for her (Jelena), though, since she is also #2 in the race.

Bruno71
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:17 PM
Yeah, it looks like Janko will overtake Kuzzy soon and become #2, since Kuzzy has lot to defend in the next few weeks, and Sharpie has a lot to defend at the very end of the season, while Janko doesn't have to defend much. On the other hand Janko cannot gain very much since she will have to play some Tier III's. #2 for would be only logical for her (Jelena), though, since she is also #2 in the race.

Sveta doesn't have a huge ton of points really...a Tier II win and a Tier III win, plus YEC points and some others. Not when she's ahead of JJ by 400+ and JJ can only really gain points by winning tournaments (or Tier I finals). On the other hand, JJ will not lose 1 point off her ranking until the end of the season. Should be an interesting race that I feel will be decided at the YEC.

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 11th, 2007, 12:04 AM
Kuznetsova can hold on as No.2 for quite a bit.
If Jankovic wins Bali:
Kuznetsova = 3780 - 145 + 99 (18th best) = 3734
Jankovic = 3365 + 165 - 110 (17th best) = 3420

The week after Bali Kuznetsova will defend Beijing title (195 pts with 88 as 18th "reserved" result).
In the worst scenario for Kuznetsova she will have 3627 points after Beijing while Jankovic - the same 3420 points.
The fact Jelena will play Bangkok instead of Tier I Moscow also doesn't help her chances in No.2 race.

aaggjg
Sep 11th, 2007, 01:19 AM
Yea, there’s a lot of bias reasoning going on in this thread now – I’m not even a huge fan of Kuz’ but I like her and respect her talent.

The good old “draw” excuse huh? A draw is a pure mathematical equation (operative word being “equation”). I actually don’t think there is 1 single thing more irrelevant in tennis than a “draw”, that’s only my opinion of course, but go ahead and jump on the bandwagon…

Remember Chakvetadze won the first set against Kuznetsova and so did Szavay in the lead up tournamnent final. Szavay was down 0-3 in the second set and probably starting to feel the effects of mental breakdown. If she was that injured, how in the world did she flog Brianti, Krajicek, Petrova, and Vakulenko in straight sets only days after?

I don’t blame her for retiring the week before, but it does sound quite suspicious/precautious. There’s no reason Kuz would not have continued her 3-0 momentum to win that final, and she backed it up to knock her out again in the quarter final of a Grand Slam. Yes maybe Szavay didn’t play her best in this match but let’s not forget how well Kuznetsova did play, awesome tennis!


I am guessing you did not see that tournament??? Agnes was in a ton of pain and could barley move... It started to become really apparent at the end of the 1st set yet she was still able to hold on and pull it out 6-4... She had to qualify to get into the tournament and made it to the final.... That is a lot of tennis in 9 days even for an 18 year old!!! During the match the announcers commented that she had the same back problems earlier in the season.... Yes she did retire because she didn't want to further hurt her chances at the USOPEN.... Do you blame her??

As for the 3 games that Sveta won it was only b/c Agnes could not move and could not serve. It is not suspicious and I really hope you are not trying to imply that she was faking... There was no mental breakdown only tears of frustration after the default.... Agnes knew she should have/ could have won the match and her body let her down. She was in total control and not intimidated by Sveta at all. She was even gracious enough to do an on court interview right after the match. That shows a lot about a young player's character.

Like I said I wouldn't consider myself a Sveta fan but I like her okay..... My question to you as a Sveta fan; were you actually able to watch / enjoy that match w/ Chakvetadze??? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: or the Golovin fiasco??? Even the Final was BORING..... and Justine was not playing up to her usual level.... Against other top players she would have been in trouble but Sveta was not able to push her at all...I guess we just have a different idea about what great tennis is!!!!

esquímaux
Sep 11th, 2007, 02:34 AM
Mr Paranoia strikes again! :banghead: It's all one big plot.

And if anyone gets easy draws and loads of defaults it's Kuzzie...Kuzzie aka Cakewalk queen, no?

ThreeDT
Sep 11th, 2007, 04:56 AM
I am guessing you did not see that tournament??? Agnes was in a ton of pain and could barley move... It started to become really apparent at the end of the 1st set yet she was still able to hold on and pull it out 6-4... She had to qualify to get into the tournament and made it to the final.... That is a lot of tennis in 9 days even for an 18 year old!!! During the match the announcers commented that she had the same back problems earlier in the season.... Yes she did retire because she didn't want to further hurt her chances at the USOPEN.... Do you blame her??

As for the 3 games that Sveta won it was only b/c Agnes could not move and could not serve. It is not suspicious and I really hope you are not trying to imply that she was faking... There was no mental breakdown only tears of frustration after the default.... Agnes knew she should have/ could have won the match and her body let her down. She was in total control and not intimidated by Sveta at all. She was even gracious enough to do an on court interview right after the match. That shows a lot about a young player's character.

Like I said I wouldn't consider myself a Sveta fan but I like her okay..... My question to you as a Sveta fan; were you actually able to watch / enjoy that match w/ Chakvetadze??? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: or the Golovin fiasco??? Even the Final was BORING..... and Justine was not playing up to her usual level.... Against other top players she would have been in trouble but Sveta was not able to push her at all...I guess we just have a different idea about what great tennis is!!!!
You guessed right, however I did see how the injury happened (awkward side step reaching for a ball pulled her back). I already told you I don’t blame Szavay for pulling out when (a) she’s hurt, (b) US Open Starts soon, and (c) she couldn’t have won. Please don’t address me as anyone’s fan. I’m a fan of Szavay too, and no I didn’t see that US Open Semi final or “the Golovin fiasco”. I really hope you are not making excuses for one player at another’s expense.:lol:

A bit like Szavay wasn’t able to push Kuznetsova I agree! Sometimes, someone gets out of bed on the wrong side, even Federer does! You are putting words into my mouth… If you want to see some great tennis I suggest you better get a tape of QF Kuznetsova Vs Szavay. PS. I was going for Szavay.:help:

mm1147
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:51 AM
Kuznetsova's draw was originally designed for Sharapova to NOT face any tough competition before the final, so don't blame Kuzzy for that weak bottom draw.

totaly agree with you it is perfectly designed for sharapova
i actually think that that the bottom half draw is designed for maria and martina
didn't you notice that only two of them are like the famous players there

aaggjg
Sep 11th, 2007, 04:20 PM
You guessed right, however I did see how the injury happened (awkward side step reaching for a ball pulled her back). I already told you I don’t blame Szavay for pulling out when (a) she’s hurt, (b) US Open Starts soon, and (c) she couldn’t have won. Please don’t address me as anyone’s fan. I’m a fan of Szavay too, and no I didn’t see that US Open Semi final or “the Golovin fiasco”. I really hope you are not making excuses for one player at another’s expense.:lol:

A bit like Szavay wasn’t able to push Kuznetsova I agree! Sometimes, someone gets out of bed on the wrong side, even Federer does! You are putting words into my mouth… If you want to see some great tennis I suggest you better get a tape of QF Kuznetsova Vs Szavay. PS. I was going for Szavay.:help:



I totally agree with you that players have off days, get nervous, feel the pressure, whatever..... Look at both Justine and Fed in the finals.... were they playing their best tennis?? NO. Were they an embarrassment to the sport?? No.....

Like I said I like Sveta fine.... It explains a lot that you did not see the 2 matches I am talking about. All I can say is that you are SO LUCKY!! I feel like I need to shower everytime I think about them. I did see the Sveta vs. Szavay match.... and was glad to see that Sveta played better.

My point is yes everyone has an off day.... a bad match here and there.... but 2 unwatchable matches in a month???? (and that is saying a lot as I will pretty much watch someone hit a ball against a wall) I know it is easy to sit on the sidelines and say why don't they move their feet, hit the ball in the court etc. but at the same time, I am not the #2 player in the world. As a huge fan of the sport it is frustrating to see such bush league tennis on display from the #2 in the world in a semi-final of a grand slam..... No wonder women's tennis gets no respect.

AlwaysGraf
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:25 PM
this thread would have been made about anybody reaching the final in the bottom half-and people would have been out to kill sharapova had she made it-the draw happened-it played out-its over-c'est la vie :)

Miss Carl
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:30 PM
taken a few games off of Henin.

Pironkova would make a good no. 2 in the world.

You aint right :p but I know what you mean. And let's be real - Chakky beat herself. :tape:

LCS
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:56 PM
Well she only beat one top 30 en route to her runner-up finish in New York...and she still needed three sets. Still, she has done a few more things..