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Tech1
Sep 9th, 2007, 09:35 AM
From The Sunday Times
September 9, 2007

Williams suffers health scare

The Wimbledon champion is to undergo health checks after her semi-final defeatBarry Flatman at Flushing Meadows
Tennis and the fact that both her daughters had failed in their attempts to lift another US Open trophy was largely an irrele-vance to Oracene Price. Like any mother, anxieties about her children’s health take precedence over anything else, and since Venus Williams won her fourth Wimbledon title two months ago, she has been giving cause for concern.

The problems came to a head as Venus lost to Justine Henin in the US Open semi-final. Players being attended to courtside by trainers has become commonplace in Grand Slam play, but few have their pulse or temperature taken.

Scenes in the corridors under Flushing Meadows’ Arthur Ashe stadium were even more alarming an hour after the 7-6 6-4 defeat. Venus cut a frail figure as she leaned on her boyfriend, PGA Tour golfer Hank Kuehne, and hobbled back to the sanctuary of the locker room.

Price stood in attendance, her face racked with maternal concern as she revealed that her daughter had been diagnosed with anaemia when she began to experience dizzy spells during a tournament in San Diego three weeks after her Wimbledon victory.

Rather than allowing Venus to return home to Palm Beach Gardens in Florida, Price is insisting on an immediate series of extensive medical tests to be carried out at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.

“Today I guess the anaemia came back,” said Price. “Venus feels like the ground is moving beneath her feet. Things aren’t right and we have to find out what’s wrong.”

Viruses have been virulent in tennis locker rooms this summer. Marion Bartoli, the young Frenchwoman whom Venus beat in the Wimbledon final, was the first to suffer.

Since then Daniela Hantuchova and Jelena Jankovic have been affected. Nicole Vaidisova was sidelined for six weeks with glandular fever, and in this US Open men’s seeds Richard Gasquet and Tomas Berdych were forced to withdraw, complaining of illness.

The problems for the 12th-seeded Venus seem more serious, although she was full of praise for Henin, who beat her for the first time since 2001. Difficult though it is to comprehend, the 27-year-old Venus admitted to suffering throughout her impressive win over third-seeded Jankovic two days earlier, when she recovered from losing the first set.

“I’m not sure what’s wrong with me,” she said dolefully in a wavering voice that could not have been more different from the fierce persona she likes to portray on court. “I don’t feel the way I would feel if I had just played awfully and given it away. I feel like I was fighting some circumstances that I couldn’t conquer.

“I didn’t feel 100% at Wimbledon, but it’s definitely all about desire and will. I really wanted it there and I wanted it here too, but I fell short. I’m disappointed, obviously. I feel like I should have found a way, despite everything.”

As well as experiencing dizziness, Venus reported feelings of nausea and a general lack of energy. Although the temperatures and humidity in New York have been unseasonably high for mid-September, she did not blame the weather and pointed out that she prepares in the fierce heat of Florida. She could not remember what the trainer said to her courtside. “I was like in a zone. I was just hoping she had a magic pill. She gave me some jelly beans. I tried to eat them, but I was still feeling dizzy. It hasn’t been as much fun playing under these circumstances, because when you don’t feel good, it’s not fun. And I just want to feel good.” Although Venus has been a more consistent and mature competitor than her younger sister Serena, she has regularly suffered long absences because of injury.

She rose to become the top-ranked player in the world at the age of 21, winning back-to-back Wimbledon and US Open titles in 2000 and 2001, but since then there have been perpetual problems with tendonitis in both wrists.

In 2005 she broke a long drought when she became the lowest-seeded player (14th) to win a Wimbledon title, her first Grand Slam victory since 2001. She ended 2006 ranked 48th, but last July she won her fourth Wimbledon as the 23rd seed.

Amazingly, given the closeness of their relationship, she formed a pact with the rest of her family to keep her health issues secret from Serena. “She was my opponent in the draw too, so I didn’t tell her how I was feeling,” said Venus. “I never tell. She was having problems too, and I found out through someone else. We love each other, but we’re competing.”

Serena seems unlikely to get any tournament play in forthcoming weeks. Her father, Richard, revealed that she was unable to undergo the proper preparation after suffering leg and thumb injuries during her Wimbledon exit.

“She was in no position to play the US Open and her doctor tried to get her to stay home,” he said. “Serena could not move but if she is even halfway well, there is no girl who can beat her.”

gaggleguy
Sep 9th, 2007, 09:41 AM
I think almost anybody who got their ass run all over the court the way Venus did in that match would be suffering dizzy spells. If I was in Venus place, I guess I would have been lying down on the cement gasping for air after that first set TB. It was a lot of long, hard points in that set

esquímaux
Sep 9th, 2007, 10:55 AM
I think almost anybody who got their ass run all over the court the way Venus did in that match would be suffering dizzy spells. If I was in Venus place, I guess I would have been lying down on the cement gasping for air after that first set TB. It was a lot of long, hard points in that set:spit: *DEAD* :lol: I'd be lying down myself......face down with defibrillator attached :lol::o

Ntour
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:38 AM
“Serena could not move but if she is even halfway well, there is no girl who can beat her.”


sure :rolleyes:

Marcell
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:01 PM
VENUS SEES USTA DOCS; FAMILY STILL WORRIED
By MARC BERMAN
September 9, 2007 — Venus Williams' ailing health took another bizarre turn when she showed up yesterday afternoon at the U.S. Open during the Roger Federer-Nikolay Davydenko match to be checked out by USTA doctors.

One day after losing to Justine Henin in the Open semifinals during which she needed to have her temperature taken and pulse checked, Venus was still feeling dizzy and weak. The mystery illness has the Williams family so worried, mother Oracene Price wants her to check into the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. - for a complete workup.

"Obviously I'm concerned something's not right," Venus' boyfriend, professional golfer Hank Kuehne told The Post yesterday. "When you see somebody come back to the tournament to see a doctor the day after you lost, it's an indication you're not doing too well."

However, a source close to the family said last night the checkup at Flushing Meadows went well and Venus was feeling much better. "There's nothing wrong right now," the source said.

The family source, though, said Venus will likely check into the Mayo Clinic eventually but not imminently. The Williams family is concerned Venus has a serious medical issue that goes beyond the anemia she suffered in July.

gaggleguy
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:12 PM
[B]

"When you see somebody come back to the tournament to see a doctor the day after you lost, it's an indication you're not doing too well."




its also an indication you haven't got a heck of alot of confidence in your own personal doctor if you put your medical care in the hands of the USTA

hacberto
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:17 PM
Ohh my God Venus, Get well soon better please. Go check yourself Venus forget about tennis your health is first tennis is like 3.

Marcell
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:22 PM
its also an indication you haven't got a heck of alot of confidence in your own personal doctor if you put your medical care in the hands of the USTA


How could she see her own doctor if she is in New York and most likely her doctor is in Florida? Some people don't think before the write nonsense.

ce
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:27 PM
:scared:

Mileen
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:28 PM
Why hasn't she been given iron weeks ago already?
Venus :hug: get well soon.

s_j
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:33 PM
The Williams have really annoyed me this week. Serena and her "lucky shots" quote, Venus and her 'I'm ill, I don't know what is wrong with me' act (She played an AMAZING match with Justine but lost to a better player - just accept it! Someone as ill as she proclaims would not have played as well as Venus did that day!) and now Richard is saying utter crap like "even if Serena is half healthy there is no girl that can beat her..." Is he saying that Serena has been less than half well every time she loses (I accept Wimbledon but the others? NO.)

Why do they always have to find excuses?! It's an arrogance that I really find irritating - if they lose, normally it's because they lose to a better player on the day - accept it!

RenaSlam.
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:37 PM
Get well soon, Venus!

Apoleb
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:45 PM
Not surprising, considering the long 3 setter against Jankovic and the physical and mental effort she put in the first set and in the start of the third. Get well, Venus.

V-MAC
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:03 PM
Damn I hope Vee will be ok. This is a cause for concern indeed.

meyerpl
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:12 PM
To add yet another element of drama to the match, both women were struggling with health problems. I wasn't feeling sure Justine would be able to finish the match at the start of the second set. Her breathing difficulties were quite evident.

Hopefully, neither woman has any long-term cause for concern. They both showed tremendous heart during their match.

SV_Fan
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:42 PM
No something is really wrong with her you guys htis is not an excuse.

Sylwiiia
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:21 PM
Get well soon Venus I hope it is not something too serious :(

Infiniti2001
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:46 PM
Anyone suffering from anemia needs black strap mollasses and their food should be cooked in cast iron pots----works like a charm . Anyway, I hope this is nothing serious--- Get well soon Vee http://i9.tinypic.com/4veabcw.gif http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9159/bigkisshc6.gif

Pureracket
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:47 PM
Anyone suffering from anemia needs black strap mollasses and their food should be cooked in cast iron pots----works like a charm . Anyway, I hope this is nothing serious--- Get well soon Vee http://i9.tinypic.com/4veabcw.gif http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9159/bigkisshc6.gifYa'll country folks kills me....lol!

Infiniti2001
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:53 PM
Ya'll country folks kills me....lol!

But it works :lol: My young cousin who also plays tennis was in bad shape with this anemia crap--- My aunt totally ignored the medication given by her doctor and did what I suggested above. The child's iron had shot up so high within a few days, even the doc was baffled :eek: Now black strap molasses is part of her vitamin regimen.

meyerpl
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:00 PM
Ya'll country folks kills me....lol!
I don't know about molasses, but cooking food in iron pots, especially tomato based foods, is a very effective way to increase your intake of iron.

Direwolf
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:56 PM
I dont wanna say this...
but...
its slightly her fault...
so shouldnt have accepted her match to be delayed...
she could have used the days warming up and nutritionizing herself..

Marcell
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:05 PM
I dont wanna say this...
but...
its slightly her fault...
so shouldnt have accepted her match to be delayed...
she could have used the days warming up and nutritionizing herself..


Actually she said she needed the extra day of rest. She said that she felt drained after the Ivanovic match and was happy for the extra day.She would have paid either way,better the semi-finals than the quarter-final.

Tennisstar86
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:09 PM
I dont wanna say this...
but...
its slightly her fault...
so shouldnt have accepted her match to be delayed...
she could have used the days warming up and nutritionizing herself..

true but she said she felt it in her earlier round matches..... so she wanted the extra day to get well for jankovic.

supergrunt
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:22 PM
I think almost anybody who got their ass run all over the court the way Venus did in that match would be suffering dizzy spells. If I was in Venus place, I guess I would have been lying down on the cement gasping for air after that first set TB. It was a lot of long, hard points in that set

This could be a serious problem and you just can't let go of this bitter fan thing. :o :rolleyes: :(

twight6
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:25 PM
I feel bad for Venus, I hope she's okay... but you can't ignore the fact that Justine did beat both Williams. She dominated them, and neither of them can say they weren't at their best because even at their best, Justine's game would have won.

But, that's not really relevant.. I hope Venus is okay/gets better :hug:

GogoGirl
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:26 PM
All,

I don't think Venus nor her family is using this for an excuse. Like she loves to say - "It is what it is." Surely, she started suffering during her match - and began not to feel well. She tried. she didn't quit. We have to give her that.

I mean, the Mayo clinic? Venus has very seldom in her career taken injury time outs. I can count them on one hand. Has she ever quit during a match? And especially, one of her semi's magnitude?

Her history is to pull out beforehand if she isn't feeling as if she can compete at her best. In her semi - she probably felt ok when initially presented w/the contest - but at some point during the match - she began to feel weak. Weakness can cause dizzyness. It probably also had something to do w/the heat and humidity.

And no! No one is saying that the conditions weren't the same for Justine. What some are saying is - the conditions affected Venus more concerning her health issues. Justine has some too. If she would have lost - some would have attributed it to her breathing problems and the conditions, and w/good reason if it were true.

It's been reported that Justine cut back her schedule this year because she hopes to keep the virus at bay. This tells me that it is subject to come back. And like she said in her interview - she had trouble breathing in a couple tourneys - and in that match, and that everyone plays w/something nagging them - or something along those lines. So, if we believe she has a virus laying dormant - for the most part - why can't some believe that Venus is not well right now and her mother is trying to understand why and what they need to do? She is a nurse after all.

I am really concerned w/this development concerning Venus. It is not about a tennis match. It is about Venus's health - and if she is not well - she needs to get that a way. Her health is more important than the sport of tennis.

"GET WELL SOON - VENUS"

supergrunt
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:30 PM
All,

I don't think Venus nor her family is using this for an excuse. Like she loves to say - "It is what it is." Surely, she started suffering during her match - and began not to feel well. She tried. she didn't quit. We have to give her that.

I mean, the Mayo clinic? Venus has very seldom in her career taken injury time outs. I can count them on one hand. Has she ever quit during a match? And especially, one of her semi's magnitude?

Her history is to pull out beforehand if she isn't feeling as if she can compete at her best. In her semi - she probably felt ok when initially presented w/the contest - but at some point during the match - she began to feel weak. Weakness can cause dizzyness. It probably also had something to do w/the heat and humidity.

And no! No one is saying that the conditions weren't the same for Justine. What some are saying is - the conditions affected Venus more concerning her health issues. Justine has some too. If she would have lost - some would have attributed it to her breathing problems and the conditions, and w/good reason if it were true.

It's been reported that Justine cut back her schedule this year because she hopes to keep the virus at bay. This tells me that it is subject to come back. And like she said in her interview - she had trouble breathing in a couple tourneys - and in that match, and that everyone plays w/something nagging them - or something along those lines. So, if we believe she has a virus laying dormant - for the most part - why can't some believe that Venus is not well right now and her mother is trying to understand why and what they need to do? She is a nurse after all.

I am really concerned w/this development concerning Venus. It is not about a tennis match. It is about Venus's health - and if she is not well - she needs to get that a way. Her health is more important than the sport of tennis.

"GET WELL SOON - VENUS"

that's exactly what I wanted to say- bitter Justine fans coming in here talking about the tennis just makes them look bad :shrug:

LadyLil
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:30 PM
Anyone suffering from anemia needs black strap mollasses and their food should be cooked in cast iron pots----works like a charm . Anyway, I hope this is nothing serious--- Get well soon Vee http://i9.tinypic.com/4veabcw.gif http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9159/bigkisshc6.gif

It works.

Wolverines08
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:31 PM
All,

I don't think Venus nor her family is using this for an excuse. Like she loves to say - "It is what it is." Surely, she started suffering during her match - and began not to feel well. She tried. she didn't quit. We have to give her that.

I mean, the Mayo clinic? Venus has very seldom in her career taken injury time outs. I can count them on one hand. Has she ever quit during a match? And especially, one of her semi's magnitude?

Her history is to pull out beforehand if she isn't feeling as if she can compete at her best. In her semi - she probably felt ok when initially presented w/the contest - but at some point during the match - she began to feel weak. Weakness can cause dizzyness. It probably also had something to do w/the heat and humidity.

And no! No one is saying that the conditions weren't the same for Justine. What some are saying is - the conditions affected Venus more concerning her health issues. Justine has some too. If she would have lost - some would have attributed it to her breathing problems and the conditions, and w/good reason if it were true.

It's been reported that Justine cut back her schedule this year because she hopes to keep the virus at bay. This tells me that it is subject to come back. And like she said in her interview - she had trouble breathing in a couple tourneys - and in that match, and that everyone plays w/something nagging them - or something along those lines. So, if we believe she has a virus laying dormant - for the most part - why can't some believe that Venus is not well right now and her mother is trying to understand why and what they need to do? She is a nurse after all.

I am really concerned w/this development concerning Venus. It is not about a tennis match. It is about Venus's health - and if she is not well - she needs to get that a way. Her health is more important than the sport of tennis.

"GET WELL SOON - VENUS"


I agree....pride from opposing players fans needs to put aside, because this is not a joke. And when Venus is hurt during a match, she always plays through...she'll take a love set,and still play just for the fans.

FoxyliciousKhat
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:49 PM
I think almost anybody who got their ass run all over the court the way Venus did in that match would be suffering dizzy spells. If I was in Venus place, I guess I would have been lying down on the cement gasping for air after that first set TB. It was a lot of long, hard points in that set

WOW how insightful!!!

Foxy

moby
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:51 PM
“Venus feels like the ground is moving beneath her feet. Things aren’t right and we have to find out what’s wrong.”This is wrong, but the quote brought to mind this:

I feel the earth move under my feet
I feel the sky tumbling down, tumbling down
I feel my heart start to trembling
Whenever Ju's around :p


Get better soon, Venus. :)

FoxyliciousKhat
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:56 PM
The Williams have really annoyed me this week. Serena and her "lucky shots" quote, Venus and her 'I'm ill, I don't know what is wrong with me' act (She played an AMAZING match with Justine but lost to a better player - just accept it! Someone as ill as she proclaims would not have played as well as Venus did that day!) and now Richard is saying utter crap like "even if Serena is half healthy there is no girl that can beat her..." Is he saying that Serena has been less than half well every time she loses (I accept Wimbledon but the others? NO.)

Why do they always have to find excuses?! It's an arrogance that I really find irritating - if they lose, normally it's because they lose to a better player on the day - accept it!


You compare Serena's lucky shot comment to Venus illness??? This coming from a Maria fan makes it even more laughable considering all the injuries Maria camp have put out only to have Maria in tournaments running all over the court. Her shoulder was not a problem at Wimbledon either until she lost. Remember Maria I did not know if I would play this GS until 2 hours, 5 mins, 1 sec before boarding the plane???

This illness is not something they JUST MADE UP BECAUSE SHE LOST, as you want to believe.

Venus: Yeah, i was on the thin side for a while, and i guess I still am. I just don't keep weight on too well, especially when I'm off the tour. When I was off the tour I lost a lot of weight. And I'm just working on putting that weight on, and getting muscle. That's a challenge for me. Everyone has different challenges. Just that - getting stronger and fitter.And like I said, I was starting from zero. I felt like coming from that last injury, I had to work my way up from zero to Wimbledon. My mom would tell me, step by step. You'll get there. But I don't like those steps in-between.

Me: Are we talking about gym and track work, or court work?

Venus: Just eat a lot. everyone around me, just making me eat a lot, even when I'm not hungry, just eating.

Me: so what'd you eat?

Venus: Pasta. . . you wouldn't believe how I've been putting it down this week. Today, though, I'm skipping a meal. It was just pasta and protein, anything I can put down, anything with a lot of iron in it. Like I was so tired at the French Open and couldn't understand why. So i went and got a blood test and it turned out I'm Anemic. So i put those two together and started working on my diet there - just everything, coming together.

CB: When you hear the name Wimbledon, you think of the names that just pop up - Billie Jean, Martina, Venus. . . your name should be there, shouldn't it? can you look into the future and say what it means to be there with those others?

http://tennisworld.typepad.com/tennisworld/wimbledon_2007/index.html

Forget what Richard is saying about Serena or the crap the Serena said about "lucky shots" those were all out of line to me and yes Justine played extremely to beat both sisters. However if you read Venus interview you would see that she NEVER used the illness as an excuse, and she did give Justine credit for playing well and winning. In fact Venus was asked about illness and responded to the question but did not dwell on it.

So when you are attacking the Williams family remember that;

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Foxy

FoxyliciousKhat
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:01 PM
All,

I don't think Venus nor her family is using this for an excuse. Like she loves to say - "It is what it is." Surely, she started suffering during her match - and began not to feel well. She tried. she didn't quit. We have to give her that.

I mean, the Mayo clinic? Venus has very seldom in her career taken injury time outs. I can count them on one hand. Has she ever quit during a match? And especially, one of her semi's magnitude?

Her history is to pull out beforehand if she isn't feeling as if she can compete at her best. In her semi - she probably felt ok when initially presented w/the contest - but at some point during the match - she began to feel weak. Weakness can cause dizzyness. It probably also had something to do w/the heat and humidity.

And no! No one is saying that the conditions weren't the same for Justine. What some are saying is - the conditions affected Venus more concerning her health issues. Justine has some too. If she would have lost - some would have attributed it to her breathing problems and the conditions, and w/good reason if it were true.

It's been reported that Justine cut back her schedule this year because she hopes to keep the virus at bay. This tells me that it is subject to come back. And like she said in her interview - she had trouble breathing in a couple tourneys - and in that match, and that everyone plays w/something nagging them - or something along those lines. So, if we believe she has a virus laying dormant - for the most part - why can't some believe that Venus is not well right now and her mother is trying to understand why and what they need to do? She is a nurse after all.

I am really concerned w/this development concerning Venus. It is not about a tennis match. It is about Venus's health - and if she is not well - she needs to get that a way. Her health is more important than the sport of tennis.

"GET WELL SOON - VENUS"

Co-sign very well said.

Foxy

Bruno71
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:02 PM
All,

I don't think Venus nor her family is using this for an excuse. Like she loves to say - "It is what it is." Surely, she started suffering during her match - and began not to feel well. She tried. she didn't quit. We have to give her that.

I mean, the Mayo clinic? Venus has very seldom in her career taken injury time outs. I can count them on one hand. Has she ever quit during a match? And especially, one of her semi's magnitude?

Her history is to pull out beforehand if she isn't feeling as if she can compete at her best. In her semi - she probably felt ok when initially presented w/the contest - but at some point during the match - she began to feel weak. Weakness can cause dizzyness. It probably also had something to do w/the heat and humidity.

And no! No one is saying that the conditions weren't the same for Justine. What some are saying is - the conditions affected Venus more concerning her health issues. Justine has some too. If she would have lost - some would have attributed it to her breathing problems and the conditions, and w/good reason if it were true.

It's been reported that Justine cut back her schedule this year because she hopes to keep the virus at bay. This tells me that it is subject to come back. And like she said in her interview - she had trouble breathing in a couple tourneys - and in that match, and that everyone plays w/something nagging them - or something along those lines. So, if we believe she has a virus laying dormant - for the most part - why can't some believe that Venus is not well right now and her mother is trying to understand why and what they need to do? She is a nurse after all.

I am really concerned w/this development concerning Venus. It is not about a tennis match. It is about Venus's health - and if she is not well - she needs to get that a way. Her health is more important than the sport of tennis.

"GET WELL SOON - VENUS"

This is a spot-on post. And we all have to remember that this isn't the first time Venus has looked and obviously felt this way towards the end of a grueling, hard fought match. Most recently, vs. Chaky in San Diego and JJ at RG. Venus has so far downplayed the problem, but this time it became more apparent as it was affecting her so much.

I hope they figure out how to deal with the problem, which seems to be anemia or something similar. It could have been very very dangerous for Venus to keep playing with this condition, so hopefully they'll find a way for her to continue playing while keeping her health sound.

mykarma
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:03 PM
“Serena could not move but if she is even halfway well, there is no girl who can beat her.”


sure :rolleyes:
Of course you wouldn't miss an opportunity to be in a Williams thread and say something negative. :rolleyes:

mykarma
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:05 PM
Not surprising, considering the long 3 setter against Jankovic and the physical and mental effort she put in the first set and in the start of the third. Get well, Venus.
:eek:

mykarma
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:14 PM
I feel bad for Venus, I hope she's okay... but you can't ignore the fact that Justine did beat both Williams. She dominated them, and neither of them can say they weren't at their best because even at their best, Justine's game would have won.

But, that's not really relevant.. I hope Venus is okay/gets better :hug:
What an idiot statement, if it wasn't relevant why bring it up. This is about Vee's health not whether she lost the match or not.

mygirlV
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:17 PM
I can't believe people can be so insensitive:rolleyes: . Here is someone talking about going to the Mayo Clinic for further evaluations, and they are just talking about a tennis match. This can be serious, even though I hope it's something that can be taken care of with proper food/medications. I wonder if she also has Vertigo. That is something that is also terrible. Had it, not nice at all ---wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Instead of being so ugly and insensitive, can we keep Ms Vee in our thoughts and prayers. Thank you!

Get well Venus and take Infiniti's country's advice;)

moby
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:23 PM
I can't believe people can be so insensitive:rolleyes: . Here is someone talking about going to the Mayo Clinic for further evaluations, and they are just talking about a tennis match. This can be serious, even though I hope it's something that can be taken care of with proper food/medications. I wonder if she also has Vertigo. That is something that is also terrible. Had it, not nice at all ---wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Instead of being so ugly and insensitive, can we keep Ms Vee in our thoughts and prayers. Thank you!I remember people were slamming Justine when she retired in the AO final last year because of her stomach ulcers. Apparently players are supposed to fight to their literal deaths on the courts. :tape:

Don't let the comments bother you too much. You get used to it. :)

twight6
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:24 PM
What an idiot statement, if it wasn't relevant why bring it up. This is about Vee's health not whether she lost the match or not.

I brought it up because of number of posts people are making about Vee using this as an excuse... And because of statements like:

"I don’t feel the way I would feel if I had just played awfully and given it away. I feel like I was fighting some circumstances that I couldn’t conquer."

Venus got beaten, and would have gotten beaten even if she was full health. Justine as just too good at the French and now at the US.

:rolleyes:

mykarma
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:25 PM
I can't believe people can be so insensitive:rolleyes: . Here is someone talking about going to the Mayo Clinic for further evaluations, and they are just talking about a tennis match. This can be serious, even though I hope it's something that can be taken care of with proper food/medications. I wonder if she also has Vertigo. That is something that is also terrible. Had it, not nice at all ---wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Instead of being so ugly and insensitive, can we keep Ms Vee in our thoughts and prayers. Thank you!

Get well Venus and take Infiniti's country's advice;)
I've had it also and until you find out what it is it's really scary.

Infiniti2001
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:29 PM
Although it could be harmful to her health, I'm just happy Vee wasn't chicken shit and continued on :p

mykarma
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:31 PM
I brought it up because of number of posts people are making about Vee using this as an excuse... And because of statements like:

"I don’t feel the way I would feel if I had just played awfully and given it away. I feel like I was fighting some circumstances that I couldn’t conquer."

Venus got beaten, and would have gotten beaten even if she was full health. Justine as just too good at the French and now at the US.

:rolleyes:
Vee never used her health as an excuse for losing. This is also not an interview from Venus Williams, and one would think that a fan of Justine should certainly understand about having a serious illness.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:39 PM
Get well soon Venus. :hug:

moby
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:39 PM
Although it could be harmful to her health, I'm just happy Vee wasn't chicken shit and continued on :pIt's a fine line between cowardice and idiocy. :p

Venus has jeopardised her career before by playing when she shouldn't, e.g. Wimbledon 03 SF and F.

He who fights and runs away will live to fight another day.

xr6turbo
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:46 PM
It's a fine line between cowardice and idiocy. :p

Venus has jeopardised her career before by playing when she shouldn't, e.g. Wimbledon 03 SF and F.

He who fights and runs away will live to fight another day.
Venus likes to play for the crowd.. They paid their money and she tries to give them a match. You can't begrudge her for that. She was CLEARLY hampered in the semi final, but she battled on the best she could...

Others could learn from her... Like the girls that retire at the drop of a hat because their back hurts a bit.. Or their stomach is a bit sore...

moby
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:05 PM
Venus likes to play for the crowd.. They paid their money and she tries to give them a match. You can't begrudge her for that. She was CLEARLY hampered in the semi final, but she battled on the best she could...

Others could learn from her... Like the girls that retire at the drop of a hat because their back hurts a bit.. Or their stomach is a bit sore...Oh, I don't begrudge her for that. It is obviously very admirable. I just feel that sometimes that might not be the optimal decision in the long run. It really depends on whether one subscribes to a deontological or consequentialist point of view; and with regard to tennis, I feel that the general consensus is that the latter matters more.

sunset
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:16 PM
I think almost anybody who got their ass run all over the court the way Venus did in that match would be suffering dizzy spells. If I was in Venus place, I guess I would have been lying down on the cement gasping for air after that first set TB. It was a lot of long, hard points in that set

:haha: :haha:

Good Point!

Nobody is a 100%, 100% of the time. I’m sure on any given day anyone can come up with something bothering them.
Serena said she was in good health and up to the match with Justine in her Post Match Interview. It’s only after they lose that they seem to come up with all these medical excuses. You never seem to hear about them to this extent when they win.
It’s well known throughout the tennis world that these so-called Williams sisters are injury prone. It’s probably due to lack of preparation and match play but whatever the reason I don’t believe anything that comes out of their camp.
Justine beat the Williams sisters and beat them in straight sets. She was the better player. Get over it.

Wolverines08
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:48 PM
A smart player is not going to tell their opponent that they are hurting, it doesn't even make sense...Thank god she has a real issue, not a tummy ache!

fammmmedspin
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:13 PM
The Williams sisters can't play a full tour or anything like it because their bodies can't sustain playing the way they do. Thats undeniable given their record and current schedule, The tour has cottoned on to the fact that if you keep them in a rally you win either in the rallies or because they fall apart at some point later in the match. Nearly everyone on the tour can't execute that and many of those who can insist on hitting errors to match theirs. Henin can stay with them. match and beat them in a rally and has more shots. When fit she's fitter.

Why they need a doctor to tell them that Henin will tire them out is mystifying - looks like a case of finding another reason to avoid the real one.

CJ07
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:26 PM
Anyone that thinks the Williams' would go to the Mayo Clinic to put up a front of an excuse is an ignorant fool.

And anyone who thinks that a professional would announce beforehand what ailments they have so their opponent can exploit them is equally so.

Apoorv
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:37 PM
get well soon Venus. :hug:

sky20748
Sep 10th, 2007, 12:26 AM
iron pills arent the only thing that helps against anemia.i am also a sufferer of anemia which landed me in the hospital 4 damn times because i went into shock from low blood levels dropping.venus yes get a complete workup and ask many questions about anemia.i am 30 and fit and it hampers your life completely.but it is treatable if the right combination of medicines are found.anemia is not an excuse.

SunriseSunset
Sep 10th, 2007, 01:16 AM
I can't believe it- will their enemies only believe they're ill if they dropped dead on court? Is that what it'd take? Maybe Venus should post her medical records for any disbelievers. Justine didn't look like someone with breathing problems to me. Plus she had an extra day to prepare.

But I'm not allowed to say anything bad about the Queen of tennis otherwise I'll get bad reputation points...oh no!

CJ07
Sep 10th, 2007, 01:39 AM
I feel bad for Venus, I hope she's okay... but you can't ignore the fact that Justine did beat both Williams. She dominated them, and neither of them can say they weren't at their best because even at their best, Justine's game would have won.

But, that's not really relevant.. I hope Venus is okay/gets better :hug:
How is 7-6 6-4 with your opponent needing to be checked in to the Mayo Clinic "domination"?

I'm not saying that Justine wouldn't have won anyway, and that it wasn't fair, but don't make it seem like she had two walkovers.

Tech1
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:32 AM
VENUS SEES USTA DOCS; FAMILY STILL WORRIED
By MARC BERMAN

September 9, 2007 — Venus Williams' ailing health took another bizarre turn when she showed up yesterday afternoon at the U.S. Open during the Roger Federer-Nikolay Davydenko match to be checked out by USTA doctors.

One day after losing to Justine Henin in the Open semifinals during which she needed to have her temperature taken and pulse checked, Venus was still feeling dizzy and weak. The mystery illness has the Williams family so worried, mother Oracene Price wants her to check into the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. - for a complete workup.

"Obviously I'm concerned something's not right," Venus' boyfriend, professional golfer Hank Kuehne told The Post yesterday. "When you see somebody come back to the tournament to see a doctor the day after you lost, it's an indication you're not doing too well."

However, a source close to the family said last night the checkup at Flushing Meadows went well and Venus was feeling much better. "There's nothing wrong right now," the source said.

The family source, though, said Venus will likely check into the Mayo Clinic eventually but not imminently. The Williams family is concerned Venus has a serious medical issue that goes beyond the anemia she suffered in July.

gladysharon
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:47 AM
Hope Venus will get better.

perseus2006
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:26 AM
It's simply a well known fact among tennis fans that the only players on the WTA tour that have had "real" injuries are the Williams Sisters.

WS fans are always quick to point out how frivalous other players injuries and ailments are, usually classifying them as Serenitis or Venusenza. Like Pierce's high drama last year because of a twitch in a leg, Henin's stomach ailment was simply a stomach ache from eating green apples and Pova's shoulder issues are fantasy. All those were faked along with Vaidasova's virus problems and so on. Nearly every WS fan has commented about these things on multiple threads, exuding disbelief and being nearly apopletic with posters arguing the problems were real.

"What goes around, comes around". Now that the Williams Sisters have lost big after bragging big, lo and behold, Richard and Oracene unroll massive lists of maladies, pestilences and infestations to excuse their downfalls!!! Of course, like all tennis fans around the world, I believe every word of it ... But a complete divulgence of their medical records would make the exccuses more palatible to non-tennis fans.

Concerning Venus's symptoms, dehydration is a bitch! Drink some Gatoraide or take electrolytes by IV!!! The diagnosticians at the Mayo Clinic will not be pleased to spend time doing tests just to tell Venus what any nine year old knows: Stay Hydrated.

drake3781
Sep 10th, 2007, 05:53 AM
VENUS SEES USTA DOCS; FAMILY STILL WORRIED
By MARC BERMAN

September 9, 2007 — Venus Williams' ailing health took another bizarre turn when she showed up yesterday afternoon at the U.S. Open during the Roger Federer-Nikolay Davydenko match to be checked out by USTA doctors.

One day after losing to Justine Henin in the Open semifinals during which she needed to have her temperature taken and pulse checked, Venus was still feeling dizzy and weak. The mystery illness has the Williams family so worried, mother Oracene Price wants her to check into the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. - for a complete workup.

"Obviously I'm concerned something's not right," Venus' boyfriend, professional golfer Hank Kuehne told The Post yesterday. "When you see somebody come back to the tournament to see a doctor the day after you lost, it's an indication you're not doing too well."

However, a source close to the family said last night the checkup at Flushing Meadows went well and Venus was feeling much better. "There's nothing wrong right now," the source said.

The family source, though, said Venus will likely check into the Mayo Clinic eventually but not imminently. The Williams family is concerned Venus has a serious medical issue that goes beyond the anemia she suffered in July.


I've read this over several times and it is very unclear. Taking the facts from the article, we have:

1. Venus suffered anemia in July.
2. Venus needed to have her temperature taken and pulse checked during her match Friday.
3. Still feeling dizzy and weak on Saturday, Venus went to USTA doctor at the Open on Saturday to be "checked out".
4. The "checkup" went well and Venus is feeling much better. There is now nothing wrong with her right now.
5. Venus will go to the Mayo Clinic "eventually but not imminently".
6. Family is concerned that she has a serious medical issue.

If she may have a serious medical issue, shoudn't that be looked into right away? :confused:

Doesn't she want to understand the source of her anemia, especially if it has come back? What about the root cause of whatever caused her dizziness and weakness?

I guess a lot of details are missing, but it leaves the story very confusing.

gaggleguy
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:01 AM
Venus simply got more of a workout in those 2 matches than she bargained for. At her size she is always going to struggle when she gets forced to run so much. The way they are dealing with it, it sounds like a publicity stunt. She has to rest up for a couple weeks

supergrunt
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:38 AM
Venus simply got more of a workout in those 2 matches than she bargained for. At her size she is always going to struggle when she gets forced to run so much. The way they are dealing with it, it sounds like a publicity stunt. She has to rest up for a couple weeks

oh yeah this'll be on the front pages of the tabloids for sure. :rolleyes: :yeah:

Ben.
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:13 AM
Get well soon Vee :hug:

Jeff
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:18 AM
Venus simply got more of a workout in those 2 matches than she bargained for. At her size she is always going to struggle when she gets forced to run so much. The way they are dealing with it, it sounds like a publicity stunt. She has to rest up for a couple weeks

What a cold hearted punk

Petersmiler
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:38 AM
First of all, get well Venus. I really don't see the Williams family going to so much trouble to make themselves feel better about the loss. And tennis needs you at your best.

Now, for those fans who still minimise Justine's ailment in the Aussie final to a 'tummy ache', can you understand why others are doubtful about Venus's illness? You don't believe Justine was ill, so how come you think it's disrespectful to doubt Venus? If it were the other way round, you would be saying the same things.

winone23
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:49 AM
Get well Venus, I hope the doctors can cure whatever is wrong. To the hacks that were complaining about Venus and her health issues, SHUT UP already.

The Coup
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:08 AM
People need to understand that anemia is quite serious, especially if you're battling as a pro athlete in hot conditions. Educate yourself before you go off and attack someone, let alone Venus who always credited Justine with winning the match anyways. When reporters constantly ask you what happened, you're going to try and explain what you could have done better but that is not the same as making excuses. Hell, commentators do that all the time.

All this cold ignorance reminds me of Rush Limbaugh mocking Michael J. Fox, who suffers from Parkinson's, and accusing him of being off meds to increase his shaking for an ad on stem cells. He didn't realize that it was the meds that caused the shaking, yet his ignorance didn't get in the way of his arrogance or ridicule.

I wish Venus well. Hopefully she has one, even two more Grand Slams in her.

Matt01
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:13 AM
I can't believe it- will their enemies only believe they're ill if they dropped dead on court? Is that what it'd take? Maybe Venus should post her medical records for any disbelievers. Justine didn't look like someone with breathing problems to me. Plus she had an extra day to prepare.

But I'm not allowed to say anything bad about the Queen of tennis otherwise I'll get bad reputation points...oh no!

Idiot!

winone23
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:42 AM
First of all, get well Venus. I really don't see the Williams family going to so much trouble to make themselves feel better about the loss. And tennis needs you at your best.

Now, for those fans who still minimise Justine's ailment in the Aussie final to a 'tummy ache', can you understand why others are doubtful about Venus's illness? You don't believe Justine was ill, so how come you think it's disrespectful to doubt Venus? If it were the other way round, you would be saying the same things.

No one would have complained about the tummy ache, if Justine would have just played out the last few games and let MOMO savour the glory of her first slam win.

winone23
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:43 AM
People need to understand that anemia is quite serious, especially if you're battling as a pro athlete in hot conditions. Educate yourself before you go off and attack someone, let alone Venus who always credited Justine with winning the match anyways. When reporters constantly ask you what happened, you're going to try and explain what you could have done better but that is not the same as making excuses. Hell, commentators do that all the time.

All this cold ignorance reminds me of Rush Limbaugh mocking Michael J. Fox, who suffers from Parkinson's, and accusing him of being off meds to increase his shaking for an ad on stem cells. He didn't realize that it was the meds that caused the shaking, yet his ignorance didn't get in the way of his arrogance or ridicule.

I wish Venus well. Hopefully she has one, even two more Grand Slams in her.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

nander
Sep 10th, 2007, 12:38 PM
So many of the posters here don't seem old enough and are certainly not bright enough to have any medical qualification yet they are pontificating about medical conditions.
Venus lost the match to Henin, fair and square..that's one issue.
Venus and anaemia..that is another issue ... idots like some of those posting here, would be advised to go and spend sometime researching the topic before they spew nonsense.
I can't believe that people spend so much energy and time being obsessed with the Williams family ... they can do nothing right...if they don't play they are accused of lack of professionalism and if they do of arrogance and too much self-belief.
Those of us who are mothers understand what it is like to worry about your child's health.
By the way, how many of our families could stand up to the microscopic treatment that most tennis families are subjected to? The lucky are those whose families, are for the most part, home in Eastern Europe and elsewhere.
Could we just cool it and show some respect for other people?

Marshmallow
Sep 10th, 2007, 01:32 PM
People need to understand that anemia is quite serious, especially if you're battling as a pro athlete in hot conditions. Educate yourself before you go off and attack someone, let alone Venus who always credited Justine with winning the match anyways. When reporters constantly ask you what happened, you're going to try and explain what you could have done better but that is not the same as making excuses. Hell, commentators do that all the time.

I wish Venus well. Hopefully she has one, even two more Grand Slams in her.


Could not be put better. :worship:

homogenius
Sep 10th, 2007, 02:57 PM
No one would have complained about the tummy ache, if Justine would have just played out the last few games and let MOMO savour the glory of her first slam win.

Agree.

vejh
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:12 PM
I wonder if Venus got a blood transfusion? If she didn't, and she's severely anemic, then they should have been told that a complete rcovery could take a few months. I am curious as to the results of the rpt blood test. I hope she keeps us updated.

homogenius
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:25 PM
So many of the posters here don't seem old enough and are certainly not bright enough to have any medical qualification yet they are pontificating about medical conditions.
Venus lost the match to Henin, fair and square..that's one issue.
Venus and anaemia..that is another issue ... idots like some of those posting here, would be advised to go and spend sometime researching the topic before they spew nonsense.
I can't believe that people spend so much energy and time being obsessed with the Williams family ... they can do nothing right...if they don't play they are accused of lack of professionalism and if they do of arrogance and too much self-belief.
Those of us who are mothers understand what it is like to worry about your child's health.
By the way, how many of our families could stand up to the microscopic treatment that most tennis families are subjected to? The lucky are those whose families, are for the most part, home in Eastern Europe and elsewhere.
Could we just cool it and show some respect for other people?

No one is denying that suffering of anemia can be quite serious.
Problem is that Richard Williams (and now Oracene) always comes whith sentences like "she was not 100%", "she could barely move" etc...when his daughters (especially Serena)lost.At Wimbledon when Serena lost to Craybas, she said that her ankle didn't hurt her but for Richard, she played with a broken ankle.
If the family don't want all this (bad) attention they should keep a low profile after losses and stop lying (like "Serena was not aware of Venus's problem", but we read some things about her anemia months ago).

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:27 PM
I wonder if Venus got a blood transfusion? If she didn't, and she's severely anemic, then they should have been told that a complete rcovery could take a few months. I am curious as to the results of the rpt blood test. I hope she keeps us updated.
:eek:

No.1Hingis
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:44 PM
I hope both are OK.. and jezz!.. I dont like excuses .. I really hope they can be OK at least Serena for the YEC, she will be free of injures, Im sure.. even is fair to say Justine was better than the rest in the draw the last two weeks.. so is fair to say she deserved the US Open title, theres nothing to argue abt it..

RenaSlam.
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:46 PM
:eek:

Kart
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:55 PM
No one would have complained about the tummy ache, if Justine would have just played out the last few games and let MOMO savour the glory of her first slam win.

You mean like Venus did for Serena in Wimbledon 2003 ?

Back on topic, get well Venus. I wanted you to win this title but I'll take the semi as long as you don't disappear for the rest of this season now.

harloo
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:09 PM
I can't believe it- will their enemies only believe they're ill if they dropped dead on court? Is that what it'd take? Maybe Venus should post her medical records for any disbelievers. Justine didn't look like someone with breathing problems to me. Plus she had an extra day to prepare.

But I'm not allowed to say anything bad about the Queen of tennis otherwise I'll get bad reputation points...oh no!

:haha::haha:

And according to them Venus is the "classy one" who gives her opponents credit unlike her evil little sister. Even with Venus heaping praise on Henin for deserving the semi-final win you see the lynch mob coming in to question if her injury is legitimate. :rolleyes:

Hortie
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:15 PM
What a joke. The Mayo Clinic for dizziness. What a waste of the Mayo Clinic's time. The Mayo Clinic is for legitimate illnesses and not anemic related problems. How stupid.

jellybelly
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:23 PM
She probably has sickle cell anaemia which runs high in African Americans. It's not her fault she was dizzy and I hope everything is ok with her. And "fake injury timeout"-Henin tards should be the last ones to make fun of someone else's LEGITIMATE injury. She was pulling the same stunts even in the Venus match! How disrespectful and low is that! Your opponent is actually hurting and has a chronic blood condition and then you try to mock her with your "breathing trouble" motions?! Nope. No class at all.

plantman
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:26 PM
First of all, get well Venus. I really don't see the Williams family going to so much trouble to make themselves feel better about the loss. And tennis needs you at your best.

Now, for those fans who still minimise Justine's ailment in the Aussie final to a 'tummy ache', can you understand why others are doubtful about Venus's illness? You don't believe Justine was ill, so how come you think it's disrespectful to doubt Venus? If it were the other way round, you would be saying the same things.

Best post put forth in a long while!:)

GracefulVenus
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:31 PM
Get well Venus!

Donny
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:33 PM
First of all, get well Venus. I really don't see the Williams family going to so much trouble to make themselves feel better about the loss. And tennis needs you at your best.

Now, for those fans who still minimise Justine's ailment in the Aussie final to a 'tummy ache', can you understand why others are doubtful about Venus's illness? You don't believe Justine was ill, so how come you think it's disrespectful to doubt Venus? If it were the other way round, you would be saying the same things.

AUSTRALIAN OPEN

January 28, 2006

Justine Henin

MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA


THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. Very disappointing. Can you tell us about the illness.

JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE: Yes, it's been a few days I wasn't feeling well. My stomach was very upset. And then last night, I didn't sleep a lot because it got worst and worst. Two weeks now I had to take antiinflammatories for my shoulder, and that killed me a little bit. Pretty sensitive. But I had to for my shoulder. Now I got on my stomach, and then I had no legs today. I couldn't move. When the stomach is so upset and so inflamed, you know, you just don't have any energy. And I felt it when I woke up, but I tried. I knew at the beginning of the match I couldn't win it. I just really tried to stay in the match, but there was no chance for me. If I would have keep playing and continue, maybe I would injure something else, so that was the best decision, even if it was very, very hard for me.


Q. Was Amélie hitting the ball well? Did you think she was playing well?

JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE: I think she had a lot of time because I was very far from my baseline, no energy, nothing in my ball. So she had a lot of time. When you have this kind of time, it's pretty hard to do mistakes, you know. But she was playing pretty consistent, I agree.


Venus didn't use her illness as an excuse for why she lost.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:37 PM
First of all, get well Venus. I really don't see the Williams family going to so much trouble to make themselves feel better about the loss. And tennis needs you at your best.

Now, for those fans who still minimise Justine's ailment in the Aussie final to a 'tummy ache', can you understand why others are doubtful about Venus's illness? You don't believe Justine was ill, so how come you think it's disrespectful to doubt Venus? If it were the other way round, you would be saying the same things.
Well, you know how it goes. When your own fave has a problem it's legitimate. When another player has a problem it's fake. ;)

Petersmiler
Sep 10th, 2007, 04:40 PM
AUSTRALIAN OPEN

January 28, 2006

Justine Henin

MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA


THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. Very disappointing. Can you tell us about the illness.

JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE: Yes, it's been a few days I wasn't feeling well. My stomach was very upset. And then last night, I didn't sleep a lot because it got worst and worst. Two weeks now I had to take antiinflammatories for my shoulder, and that killed me a little bit. Pretty sensitive. But I had to for my shoulder. Now I got on my stomach, and then I had no legs today. I couldn't move. When the stomach is so upset and so inflamed, you know, you just don't have any energy. And I felt it when I woke up, but I tried. I knew at the beginning of the match I couldn't win it. I just really tried to stay in the match, but there was no chance for me. If I would have keep playing and continue, maybe I would injure something else, so that was the best decision, even if it was very, very hard for me.


Q. Was Amélie hitting the ball well? Did you think she was playing well?

JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE: I think she had a lot of time because I was very far from my baseline, no energy, nothing in my ball. So she had a lot of time. When you have this kind of time, it's pretty hard to do mistakes, you know. But she was playing pretty consistent, I agree.


Venus didn't use her illness as an excuse for why she lost.

I didn't say Venus used it as an excuse. That really wasn't my point.

My point was that Justine was ill in the Aussie final and she was worried that she might injure something else if she continued. Despite this, several people in this very thread dismiss the whole thing as a 'tummy ache' and think she should have carried on. I believe Venus when she says she is unwell. Why can't certain people do the same for Justine?

roarke
Sep 10th, 2007, 05:17 PM
The lack of humanity on this board is appalling and very disheartening. I don't believe Venus said one bad thing about Henin winning in the semi-finals match yet we maligned her because she dares to say she was feeling sick during the match. I know from personal experience that anemia is no fun. It can creep up on you even under treatment and you can get so dizzy and so tired that it feels like you can't take another step. An influx of iron doesn't always solve the problem long term. There are so many instances that you body will block the absorption. Sometimes you feel that you are doing well and the next minute your body is rejecting the iron it needs. Venus did well to play as well as she did under those conditions and she wasn't blaming her sickness for her loss at all. Henin did not blow her off the court! Venus competed well and you could see the lethargy in her performance and if you are not blinded so much by hate you can be fair in you assessment of her and you can see she was unwell in the match. She showed nothing of the form she had showed in the 5 previous matches. If not for her illness she would have played better because she would have been extra motivated to come out and play well. I am not saying she would have won but at least she would have competed better than she did. Her performance was not a result of Justine's great play. Justine was having problems of her own as well and she was not competing as well either. She was having problem with her breathing however she was healthier than Venus in this match. We fail to understand because we are clouded by our feelings of dislike of anything Williams that as unwell as Venus was in this match we need to give her props for competing as well as she did. We have over the years used the antic of the father and the sister and her race to condemn Venus when she has shown time and time again her professionalism, her competitive spirit and her compassion to others. We have sunk very low when we allowed our hatred to suck our compassion away.

It is so unfair how these girls are treated in this manner time and time again. Serena was feeling low and she made the unfortunate comment of "lucky winners". Yes she was wrong to do so! No excuses here but does she deserve to be lambasted by ever person on this board? What she actually needs is some understanding. Even if you don't like her for whatever reason, you need to put yourself in her shoes and see if you would not possible react the same way. We can all gloat over what we consider her down fall but would you be any better? Probably not! Based on some of the revelations on this board many of us have behaved worst for less! I would say let us at least look at the situation from Serena's perspective. She showed honest emotion, she showed how she actually felt at that time. We camouflage and medicate our true selves so much that when faced with honest feelings our first response is to condemn it. Serena was feeling the loss keenly and she reacted accordingly. It is what we do as competitors, we react badly sometimes. Many of us are going to say she should know better, she should do better and you are right; but would you? I have seen more arguments on this board for less so if any of you are going to say that you would do better then maybe you don't have a clue as to who you are! Serena is just like any of us, a human being with failings and shortcomings. Remember that about yourself and maybe just maybe you can extend to her even a glimmer of some understanding.

Venus and Serena themselves have not started any feuds, if anything they hold themselves about these types of behavior. Many of us see this dis-association as arrogance and many use it as the basis of dislike with which their speech is permeated but we should be proud of these girls. They have achieved success in their endeavors much like many of us would like to do. Friendly rivalries in sport are great but meanness is downright ugly.

Donny
Sep 10th, 2007, 05:30 PM
I didn't say Venus used it as an excuse. That really wasn't my point.

My point was that Justine was ill in the Aussie final and she was worried that she might injure something else if she continued. Despite this, several people in this very thread dismiss the whole thing as a 'tummy ache' and think she should have carried on. I believe Venus when she says she is unwell. Why can't certain people do the same for Justine?

My stand on the issue:

If you have a condition, before the match starts, and you reasonably believe that you might not be able to play a decent match, you stay home. And if you DO decide to play, finish the match. Don't waste people's time.

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. Very disappointing. Can you tell us about the illness.

JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE: Yes, it's been a few days I wasn't feeling well. My stomach was very upset. And then last night, I didn't sleep a lot because it got worst and worst. Two weeks now I had to take antiinflammatories for my shoulder, and that killed me a little bit. Pretty sensitive. But I had to for my shoulder. Now I got on my stomach, and then I had no legs today. I couldn't move. When the stomach is so upset and so inflamed, you know, you just don't have any energy.

And from the day before:

Q. When is the last time you felt so good physically and mentally?

JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE: It's very hard to say. But in the last two years I never felt as good as now. Even if I played well in a couple of tournaments, I wasn't feeling physically as well as I am feeling right now. When physically you're feeling well, when you're feeling healthy a hundred percent, then mentally you're feeling stronger. Doesn't matter of the result of tomorrow. It's the way I am feeling right now. It's great because I hope it's going to stay for such a long time now.

SerenaAndTheVee
Sep 10th, 2007, 05:47 PM
Anemia is serious. I wish Venus well.

Denise4925
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:06 PM
The lack of humanity on this board is appalling and very disheartening. I don't believe Venus said one bad thing about Henin winning in the semi-finals match yet we maligned her because she dares to say she was feeling sick during the match. I know from personal experience that anemia is no fun. It can creep up on you even under treatment and you can get so dizzy and so tired that it feels like you can't take another step. An influx of iron doesn't always solve the problem long term. There are so many instances that you body will block the absorption. Sometimes you feel that you are doing well and the next minute your body is rejecting the iron it needs. Venus did well to play as well as she did under those conditions and she wasn't blaming her sickness for her loss at all. Henin did not blow her off the court! Venus competed well and you could see the lethargy in her performance and if you are not blinded so much by hate you can be fair in you assessment of her and you can see she was unwell in the match. She showed nothing of the form she had showed in the 5 previous matches. If not for her illness she would have played better because she would have been extra motivated to come out and play well. I am not saying she would have won but at least she would have competed better than she did. Her performance was not a result of Justine's great play. Justine was having problems of her own as well and she was not competing as well either. She was having problem with her breathing however she was healthier than Venus in this match. We fail to understand because we are clouded by our feelings of dislike of anything Williams that as unwell as Venus was in this match we need to give her props for competing as well as she did. We have over the years used the antic of the father and the sister and her race to condemn Venus when she has shown time and time again her professionalism, her competitive spirit and her compassion to others. We have sunk very low when we allowed our hatred to suck our compassion away.

It is so unfair how these girls are treated in this manner time and time again. Serena was feeling low and she made the unfortunate comment of "lucky winners". Yes she was wrong to do so! No excuses here but does she deserve to be lambasted by ever person on this board? What she actually needs is some understanding. Even if you don't like her for whatever reason, you need to put yourself in her shoes and see if you would not possible react the same way. We can all gloat over what we consider her down fall but would you be any better? Probably not! Based on some of the revelations on this board many of us have behaved worst for less! I would say let us at least look at the situation from Serena's perspective. She showed honest emotion, she showed how she actually felt at that time. We camouflage and medicate our true selves so much that when faced with honest feelings our first response is to condemn it. Serena was feeling the loss keenly and she reacted accordingly. It is what we do as competitors, we react badly sometimes. Many of us are going to say she should know better, she should do better and you are right; but would you? I have seen more arguments on this board for less so if any of you are going to say that you would do better then maybe you don't have a clue as to who you are! Serena is just like any of us, a human being with failings and shortcomings. Remember that about yourself and maybe just maybe you can extend to her even a glimmer of some understanding.

Venus and Serena themselves have not started any feuds, if anything they hold themselves about these types of behavior. Many of us see this dis-association as arrogance and many use it as the basis of dislike with which their speech is permeated but we should be proud of these girls. They have achieved success in their endeavors much like many of us would like to do. Friendly rivalries in sport are great but meanness is downright ugly.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

I mean...have some freaking compassion people. Good lord, who said anything about Vee's illness being an excuse? She certainly didn't. Can't we just receive news about a Williams without it turning into something deceitful and ugly? Or it being an excuse?

And, those of you afraid to speak up, saying...'I don't like excuses, blah, blah, blah...but I hope Venus gets better, blah, blah blah...' stop being so passive. All that means is that you really don't think Venus is giving an excuse, but you're too afraid to say so for fear of being slammed. :rolleyes: Get a spine.

To all of you in this thread and any other thread who don't like what Serena said in her post-match interview or the fact that Venus is/was feeling ill and think she's making excuses, I invite you to KISS :kiss: THE COLLECTIVE ASSES of the Williams Sisters, their family and their fans. Because we really couldn't give two shits what you think.

:wavey:

DA FOREHAND
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:13 PM
:haha::haha:

And according to them Venus is the "classy one" who gives her opponents credit unlike her evil little sister. Even with Venus heaping praise on Henin for deserving the semi-final win you see the lynch mob coming in to question if her injury is legitimate. :rolleyes:

Exactly! Damned if they do damned if they don't. Although I think Serena's interview was immature, I can hardly find fault with her not giving the press(and her haters) what they want.


One bad black spoils the whole bunch.:tape:

gaggleguy
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:19 PM
What a joke. The Mayo Clinic for dizziness. What a waste of the Mayo Clinic's time. The Mayo Clinic is for legitimate illnesses and not anemic related problems. How stupid.


this is true. All this "Mayo Clinic" stuff sounds like just more attention seeking after a loss. And for the record I didnt criticize Serena's comments after she lost, that was just human reaction and Serena being Serena, but this over-publicizing of Venus fatigue is annoying. The Mayo Clinic my ass. Venus is in better shape than 99.99 percent of the population, she'll come back stronger than before in few weeks

SerenaAndTheVee
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:22 PM
Not to mention that reading Serena's comments post-Henin match is a lot different from seeing her actual facial expressions when she made the comments. That really is the downside of reading quotes. You can't see the person actually giving them so you often to come your own (prejudiced) conclusion.

DA FOREHAND
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:26 PM
this is true. All this "Mayo Clinic" stuff sounds like just more attention seeking after a loss. And for the record I didnt criticize Serena's comments after she lost, that was just human reaction and Serena being Serena, but this over-publicizing of Venus fatigue is annoying. The Mayo Clinic my ass. Venus is in better shape than 99.99 percent of the population, she'll come back stronger than before in few weeks

You are an idiot, but I still hope you and your family are in good health.

homogenius
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:27 PM
Not to mention that reading Serena's comments post-Henin match is a lot different from seeing her actual facial expressions when she made the comments. That really is the downside of reading quotes. You can't see the person actually giving them so you often to come your own (prejudiced) conclusion.

You can watch the interview on the USO site and on youtube, but it's worse than just read it.That being said, I think people reactions wouldn't have been that rude against Serena if her parents haven't add to the controversy.

gaggleguy
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:29 PM
You are an idiot, but I still hope you and your family are in good health.


same to you ;)

sfselesfan
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:29 PM
Anemia can be cured. Take time off Venus and get 100% healthy. I say skip the YEC and save up for Australia.

SF

SerenaAndTheVee
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:38 PM
"I think people reactions wouldn't have been that rude against Serena if her parents haven't add to the controversy."

How did Richard and Oracene add to it?

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2007, 08:02 PM
:haha::haha:

And according to them Venus is the "classy one" who gives her opponents credit unlike her evil little sister. Even with Venus heaping praise on Henin for deserving the semi-final win you see the lynch mob coming in to question if her injury is legitimate. :rolleyes:
:worship::worship::worship:

Rocketta
Sep 10th, 2007, 09:25 PM
Poor Venus! Find out what it is and come back strong. :hearts: :hug:

Denise4925
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:19 PM
What a joke. The Mayo Clinic for dizziness. What a waste of the Mayo Clinic's time. The Mayo Clinic is for legitimate illnesses and not anemic related problems. How stupid.

Wow...:weirdo: Has anyone bothered to tell this retard that anemia is a legitimate illness? When you have a blood disorder (which we need to live), it can cause serious problems with your health.

jrollaneres25
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:27 PM
I think almost anybody who got their ass run all over the court the way Venus did in that match would be suffering dizzy spells. If I was in Venus place, I guess I would have been lying down on the cement gasping for air after that first set TB. It was a lot of long, hard points in that set

What? It wasn't that much running Henin was making Venus do. I've seen much longer and gruesome rallies, preferably in 2000 semi-finals at the Us Open against Martina Hingis. Are you new?

jrollaneres25
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:31 PM
The Williams have really annoyed me this week. Serena and her "lucky shots" quote, Venus and her 'I'm ill, I don't know what is wrong with me' act (She played an AMAZING match with Justine but lost to a better player - just accept it! Someone as ill as she proclaims would not have played as well as Venus did that day!) and now Richard is saying utter crap like "even if Serena is half healthy there is no girl that can beat her..." Is he saying that Serena has been less than half well every time she loses (I accept Wimbledon but the others? NO.)

Why do they always have to find excuses?! It's an arrogance that I really find irritating - if they lose, normally it's because they lose to a better player on the day - accept it!



Yo, just admit you don't like them and leave them alone. Venus has developed anemia and it was well before the US Open. You're not a fan, so you wouldn't know, you just want them to lose. WE know as fans when they are playing well, and when somethings wrong. Serena, blatantly got beat, but Venus was not %100 percent. BACK OFF:fiery:

friendsita
Sep 11th, 2007, 01:34 AM
OMG!!! Hope she'll recover.

nander
Sep 11th, 2007, 04:44 AM
this is true. All this "Mayo Clinic" stuff sounds like just more attention seeking after a loss. And for the record I didnt criticize Serena's comments after she lost, that was just human reaction and Serena being Serena, but this over-publicizing of Venus fatigue is annoying. The Mayo Clinic my ass. Venus is in better shape than 99.99 percent of the population, she'll come back stronger than before in few weeks

Are you on staff at the Mayo Clinic...if you know anything about medical matters you would know that anaemia can be an indication of serious illnesses.

TO THE PERSON SUGGESTING SICKLE CELL ANAEMIA...IF SHE HAD THE DISEASE SHE WOULD NOT BE A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE OF ANY SORT. SHE MAY, LIKE 1 IN 10 OF THE BLACK POPULATION HAVE THE TRAIT , USUALLY ASYMPTOMATIC. IT ONLY BECOMES IMPORTANT IF 2 WITH THE TRAIT MARRY AND THEN RISK , 1 IN 4 OF EACH PREGNANCY RESULTING IN THE DISEASE.,

sweetpeas
Sep 11th, 2007, 04:56 AM
How could she see her own doctor if she is in New York and most likely her doctor is in Florida? Some people don't think before the write nonsense




Some of them,talk out their a**!

winone23
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:27 AM
The lack of humanity on this board is appalling and very disheartening. I don't believe Venus said one bad thing about Henin winning in the semi-finals match yet we maligned her because she dares to say she was feeling sick during the match. I know from personal experience that anemia is no fun. It can creep up on you even under treatment and you can get so dizzy and so tired that it feels like you can't take another step. An influx of iron doesn't always solve the problem long term. There are so many instances that you body will block the absorption. Sometimes you feel that you are doing well and the next minute your body is rejecting the iron it needs. Venus did well to play as well as she did under those conditions and she wasn't blaming her sickness for her loss at all. Henin did not blow her off the court! Venus competed well and you could see the lethargy in her performance and if you are not blinded so much by hate you can be fair in you assessment of her and you can see she was unwell in the match. She showed nothing of the form she had showed in the 5 previous matches. If not for her illness she would have played better because she would have been extra motivated to come out and play well. I am not saying she would have won but at least she would have competed better than she did. Her performance was not a result of Justine's great play. Justine was having problems of her own as well and she was not competing as well either. She was having problem with her breathing however she was healthier than Venus in this match. We fail to understand because we are clouded by our feelings of dislike of anything Williams that as unwell as Venus was in this match we need to give her props for competing as well as she did. We have over the years used the antic of the father and the sister and her race to condemn Venus when she has shown time and time again her professionalism, her competitive spirit and her compassion to others. We have sunk very low when we allowed our hatred to suck our compassion away.

It is so unfair how these girls are treated in this manner time and time again. Serena was feeling low and she made the unfortunate comment of "lucky winners". Yes she was wrong to do so! No excuses here but does she deserve to be lambasted by ever person on this board? What she actually needs is some understanding. Even if you don't like her for whatever reason, you need to put yourself in her shoes and see if you would not possible react the same way. We can all gloat over what we consider her down fall but would you be any better? Probably not! Based on some of the revelations on this board many of us have behaved worst for less! I would say let us at least look at the situation from Serena's perspective. She showed honest emotion, she showed how she actually felt at that time. We camouflage and medicate our true selves so much that when faced with honest feelings our first response is to condemn it. Serena was feeling the loss keenly and she reacted accordingly. It is what we do as competitors, we react badly sometimes. Many of us are going to say she should know better, she should do better and you are right; but would you? I have seen more arguments on this board for less so if any of you are going to say that you would do better then maybe you don't have a clue as to who you are! Serena is just like any of us, a human being with failings and shortcomings. Remember that about yourself and maybe just maybe you can extend to her even a glimmer of some understanding.

Venus and Serena themselves have not started any feuds, if anything they hold themselves about these types of behavior. Many of us see this dis-association as arrogance and many use it as the basis of dislike with which their speech is permeated but we should be proud of these girls. They have achieved success in their endeavors much like many of us would like to do. Friendly rivalries in sport are great but meanness is downright ugly.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

winone23
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:37 AM
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

I mean...have some freaking compassion people. Good lord, who said anything about Vee's illness being an excuse? She certainly didn't. Can't we just receive news about a Williams without it turning into something deceitful and ugly? Or it being an excuse?

And, those of you afraid to speak up, saying...'I don't like excuses, blah, blah, blah...but I hope Venus gets better, blah, blah blah...' stop being so passive. All that means is that you really don't think Venus is giving an excuse, but you're too afraid to say so for fear of being slammed. :rolleyes: Get a spine.

To all of you in this thread and any other thread who don't like what Serena said in her post-match interview or the fact that Venus is/was feeling ill and think she's making excuses, I invite you to KISS :kiss: THE COLLECTIVE ASSES of the Williams Sisters, their family and their fans. Because we really couldn't give two shits what you think.

:wavey:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :worship: :worship:

darrinbaker00
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:40 AM
I just hope Venus doesn't need to take EPO to treat her illness. That's a can of worms I'd rather not see opened.

winone23
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:41 AM
this is true. All this "Mayo Clinic" stuff sounds like just more attention seeking after a loss. And for the record I didnt criticize Serena's comments after she lost, that was just human reaction and Serena being Serena, but this over-publicizing of Venus fatigue is annoying. The Mayo Clinic my ass. Venus is in better shape than 99.99 percent of the population, she'll come back stronger than before in few weeks

Flo Jo aka Florence Griffith-Joyner was in better shape than 99.99% of the population too, and look what happened to her. Stop being ignorant!

homogenius
Sep 11th, 2007, 10:52 AM
Flo Jo aka Florence Griffith-Joyner was in better shape than 99.99% of the population too, and look what happened to her. Stop being ignorant!

Very bad example...

VeeTennisFan
Sep 11th, 2007, 01:03 PM
How come it is okay for Justine to have her energy zapping illness but not okay for Venus to have anemia?

The Kaz
Sep 11th, 2007, 01:09 PM
Lovely new excuse from a William sister :yeah:

Thanx4nothin
Sep 11th, 2007, 01:15 PM
Pople areso rough on the williams sisters, people will mourn their retirement, just wait. The last great persoalities in womens sport

Marshmallow
Sep 12th, 2007, 11:52 AM
I agree with these last posts. I can understand people being trolls, but some people in this thread seemed serious, and they were so cold / naive / short- sighted.
'This has to be an excuse to detract from Justine's victory' :rolleyes:

Anemia is a serious illness, but thankfully beatable. Get well soon Venus. :hug: