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saki
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:48 AM
In straight sets. Has this been done before?

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:49 AM
That's freaky. I think it's a record now.

LShang
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:50 AM
oh yeah, plus another USO champion....'s sister :)

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:50 AM
Yeah but:

1. Serena was out of form.
2. Venus was ill.
3. Svetlana was out of form and seems 20 years older than what she should be.

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:51 AM
oh yeah, plus another USO champion....'s sister :)

Who's that?

LeChuck
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:54 AM
Justine's coming through such a fiercely difficult draw without dropping a set, makes this latest triumph the most pleasing out of her 7 grand slam titles so far :).

aussie
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:55 AM
Yeah but:

1. Serena was out of form.
2. Venus was ill.
3. Svetlana was out of form and seems 20 years older than what she should be.

puh~~lease :rolleyes:

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:56 AM
puh~~lease :rolleyes:

I'm not kidding. It's true. I saw what I saw.

aussie
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:58 AM
I'm not kidding. It's true. I saw what I saw.

guess we've been seeing different things these past few days~though admittedly Kuznetsova wasn't exactly playing high quality tennis in the final.

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:59 AM
guess we've been seeing different things these past few days~

Well, different people can see things differently. Not surprising there. :o

saki
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:00 AM
Yeah but:

1. Serena was out of form.
2. Venus was ill.
3. Svetlana was out of form and seems 20 years older than what she should be.

Well, obviously, we all know that she's lucky and has no talent. :D But I still want to know whether anyone else has done this before?

aussie
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:02 AM
hey saki, that quote in your signature, may I ask when that was quoted from? I just had a read of it and amused me very much :lol:

Bruno71
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:05 AM
Serena beat Seles, Davenport, & Hingis at the '99 Open, but they weren't all in straight sets.

MistyGrey
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:47 AM
I dont think anyone has beaten 3 former champs in str8 set en route to a USO title before. Could be wrong though.

Demska
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:48 AM
Yeah but:

1. Serena was out of form.
2. Venus was ill.
3. Svetlana was out of form and seems 20 years older than what she should be.

:yawn: :bs: :yawn:

faboozadoo15
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:49 AM
Serena beat Seles, Davenport, & Hingis at the '99 Open, but they weren't all in straight sets.

Seles should have won that one :tape: Went totally flat....

eck
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:02 AM
Yeah, I mean
Justine just got through by luck.
She was so lucky to let win this title. :rolleyes:
She's not 100% fit too, btw.

jazzfuzion
Sep 9th, 2007, 09:39 AM
Yeah but:

1. Serena was out of form.
2. Venus was ill.
3. Svetlana was out of form and seems 20 years older than what she should be.

yea there is always a BUT in everything isn't there? just like this. You saw what you saw BUT you can't help it if you don't have a logical brain that allows you to think and not make excuses for everything that does not go your way.

Ceri
Sep 9th, 2007, 09:56 AM
Fantastic JuJu :D

stickwitju(ju)
Sep 9th, 2007, 10:08 AM
Justine beat 3 USO champions on her way to the title

In straight sets. Has this been done before?

Best thread title and topic starting post.

:worship:

bandabou
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:12 AM
impressive..Serena almost did it in 2002.

spindoctor
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:15 AM
Very impressive, indeed. :yeah:

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:30 AM
Again, perpesctive is important. You could argue that she did not beat 3 USO champions in peak form, she beat players who happen to be former champions (seeded 12, 8 and 4). Would it be all that amazing is Henin beat Graf, Seles, Davenport, and Navratilova tomorrow? I don't think so.

VivalaSeles
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:00 PM
Again, perpesctive is important. You could argue that she did not beat 3 USO champions in peak form, she beat players who happen to be former champions (seeded 12, 8 and 4).

Hmmm ... Two of them have won Slams this year. The other has beaten Juju this year. They could not be in THAT bad a form. Plus, if you want to find them, you can always find excuses.

Henin's the best
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:03 PM
:worship: and she still has the will to get better

MistyGrey
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:16 PM
:worship:

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Hmmm ... Two of them have won Slams this year. The other has beaten Juju this year. They could not be in THAT bad a form. Plus, if you want to find them, you can always find excuses.

Work on comprehension, what part of my post is making "excuses". Kudos to Henin for winning and beating quality players, but different people will have different views on the GREATNESS of the fete.

For example Serena won a slam, but only played 4 tournaments after, missing some with injury complaints. Svetlana barely won one title, and only beaten one top 10 player en route, some argue her USO 2004 was a fluke. :shrug:

But Henin is the dominant player ATM and no-one can argue about that.

Apoleb
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:28 PM
Again, perpesctive is important. You could argue that she did not beat 3 USO champions in peak form, she beat players who happen to be former champions (seeded 12, 8 and 4). Would it be all that amazing is Henin beat Graf, Seles, Davenport, and Navratilova tomorrow? I don't think so.

You're kidding right? Most likely no one would've taken Serena and Venus besides herself, even with all their "problems."

VivalaSeles
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:32 PM
Work on comprehension, what part of my post is making "excuses". Kudos to Henin for winning and beating quality players, but different people will have different views on the GREATNESS of the fete.

For example Serena won a slam, but only played 4 tournaments after, missing some with injury complaints. Svetlana barely won one title, and only beaten one top 10 player en route, some argue her USO 2004 was a fluke. :shrug:

But Henin is the dominant player ATM and no-one can argue about that.

How many tournaments does Serena usually play per year? Is it unusual for her to play few tournaments per year? Plus, if indeed she has played so few tournaments, much fewer than she usually does, and she is still in the Top 10, she cannot be in THAT bad a form, can she?

Well, Svetlana BEAT Henin this year. Only three more people have done it this year, Serena being another.

Forehand_Volley
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:48 PM
Again, perpesctive is important. You could argue that she did not beat 3 USO champions in peak form,
You mean the two that won this years Australian Open and Wimbledon, and the other one whose rank improved to #2?

Okay :rolleyes:

pooh14
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:13 PM
JSTennis, enough of your nonsense.

This guys comes to Hingis.org and talks nonsense there too.

SV_Fan
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Venus beat Hingis, Sanchez-Vicario and Davenport in 2000 for the title.

new-york
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:30 PM
impressive tournament.
no one else could have beaten Venus & Serena.
maybe Jelena.

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:15 PM
You're kidding right? Most likely no one would've taken Serena and Venus besides herself, even with all their "problems."

Not exactly :tape: but my meaning was misunderstood.

Beating Venus and thereby the Williams double was a great achievement, no-one can take anything away from Justine.

But beating Serena? Well, Had Serena played More tournaments she probably would have had more losses. She was severely pushed in all her matches (only playing one top 20 player). I only have to think back to her loss at Last year's US open to Mauresmo, and the loss in LA to Jankovic. Mauresmo and Jankovic beat Serena - not playing too differently. Justine is perhaps the only player with the form to do it, but she isn't the only player capable. Although it was on Clay, patty played well to beat Serena in Rome.
Can also argue that Petrova should have won in the AO, and Henin should have won in Miami. Kudos to Henin for having the nerve to do it, but Serena has not been as formidable as perhaps in that AO final, she has struggled in most of her matches across the year.

Kuznetsova - well, she's hardly unbeatable as her results prove.

I'm really not trying to take anything away from Justine, she is the best player at the moment. But I think you can this STAT in viewed more than one way. I think the best win was that against Venus.

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:26 PM
How many tournaments does Serena usually play per year? Is it unusual for her to play few tournaments per year? Plus, if indeed she has played so few tournaments, much fewer than she usually does, and she is still in the Top 10, she cannot be in THAT bad a form, can she?

Well, Svetlana BEAT Henin this year. Only three more people have done it this year, Serena being another.

I don't think Serena is in THAT bad form, but she is beatable by a number of players if they are in good form, and are able to hold their nerve. Jankovic, Henin, Mauresmo, Sharapova :shudder:, Venus, Ivanovic and i guess Petrova most likely all can. But i guess it's that IF that's been the issue.

Justine is however the player who is in good enough form and has the nerve. So she deserves the applause in that respect, but not everyone holds the fete with the same amazement as others. :shrug:

Apoleb
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:33 PM
Not exactly :tape: but my meaning was misunderstood.

Beating Venus and thereby the Williams double was a great achievement, no-one can take anything away from Justine.

But beating Serena? Well, Had Serena played More tournaments she probably would have had more losses. She was severely pushed in all her matches (only playing one top 20 player). I only have to think back to her loss at Last year's US open to Mauresmo, and the loss in LA to Jankovic. Mauresmo and Jankovic beat Serena - not playing too differently. Justine is perhaps the only player with the form to do it, but she isn't the only player capable. Although it was on Clay, patty played well to beat Serena in Rome.
Can also argue that Petrova should have won in the AO, and Henin should have won in Miami. Kudos to Henin for having the nerve to do it, but Serena has not been as formidable as perhaps in that AO final, she has struggled in most of her matches across the year.

Kuznetsova - well, she's hardly unbeatable as her results prove.

I'm really not trying to take anything away from Justine, she is the best player at the moment. But I think you can this STAT in viewed more than one way. I think the best win was that against Venus.

I'm not really sure I want to argue this, cause I think people will see what they want to see at the end of the day. I disagree about the significance of the Serena victory. I think bringing up the summer of 2006 is quite ridiculous considering it's quite obvious that Serena of 2007 was so much better than that of 2006. I watched the Amelie match but I didn't watch the Jelena match, but "not playing too differently"? Come on, please. :lol: Amelie blocked all the returns and just played solid defense and I'd bet my house that Jelena did the same thing. Actually, Amelie didn't even play well. It was quite a miserable match. Serena was good enough in 2007 to win a grand slam, trashing Sharapova TWICE, beating Jelena and other seeds, beating Justine in a final, reaching the QF of 3 grand slams while losing to the player we're currently discussing.

I also think the tennis in that match spoke for itself. Quality wise, the first set was second best to Venus-Justine in the whole tournament. Some formidable hitting since the middle of the set, and you know, Justine had to actually save a set point with a brillant second serve. It was that close. In the second, Justine managed to excell a little bit more, and Serena just collapsed mentally.

At the end of the day, bringing up the level of her opponents is taking away from Justine. The level of tennis, she (and her opponents, especially in the semi and the 1st set of the QF) showed was good enough to tramp any other factors: dizziness, fitness, confidence, "not at her 83.6 % bs"..etc in how people perceive Justine's run. A lot of people and some Williams fans have been able to do it. And that's it.

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:54 PM
I'm not really sure I want to argue this, cause I think people will see what they want to see at the end of the day. I disagree about the significance of the Serena victory. I think bringing up the summer of 2006 is quite ridiculous considering it's quite obvious that Serena of 2007 was so much better than that of 2006. I watched the Amelie match but I didn't watch the Jelena match, but "not playing too differently"? Come on, please. :lol: Amelie blocked all the returns and just played solid defense and I'd bet my house that Jelena did the same thing. Serena was good enough in 2007 to win a grand slam, trashing Sharapova TWICE, beating Jelena and other seeds, beating Justine in a final, reaching the QF of 3 grand slams while losing to the player we're currently discussing.

I also think the tennis in that match spoke for itself. Quality wise, the first set was second best to Venus-Justine in the whole tournament. Some formidable hitting since the middle of the set, and you know, Justine had to actually save a set point with a brillant second serve. It was that close. In the second, Justine managed to excell a little bit more, and Serena just collapsed mentally.

At the end of the day, bringing up the level of her opponents is taking away from Justine. The level of tennis, she (and her opponents, especially in the semi and the 1st set of the QF) showed was good enough to tramp any other factors: dizziness, fitness, confidence, "not at her 83.6 % bs"..etc in how people perceive Justine's run. A lot of people and some Williams fans have been able to do it. And that's it.

:D I'm sure i don't want to argue especially with you AGAIN. :lol: This is what happens when you have different favs.

I don't think commenting on the opponents level should take away from Justine specifically - simply because everyone agrees she is playing phenomenally well. She has been incredible, especially her game smarts. She consistently puts her opponents under pressure, especially by breaking them early in the match a la federer. Forehand devastating, defense - offense good, and smart play.
But likewise, i can also argue that talking about how amazing the fete is, how she beat all these champions, really overlooks the fact that they can perform better. Serena sure can, and Venus can too (especially with those chances in the second, before her fitness woes started to visible affect her). Hell myself and Tracy Austin even seem to agree on this :speakles:

Guess we've taken different perspectives :shrug: