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TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:18 AM
She started the year with a bang winning the AO and Miami. Since has fallen victim to injury and Justine Henin. While struggling to regain the form which made her the most devastatinging player in WTA History. I as a fan have watched her decline since her knee surgery in 2003. Since that time she has struggled with injury, weight, and an inability to play enough to recapture either (family issues aside). I now am beginning to wonder if her body will allow it. We all have marveled at how one so powerful and muscular could play tennis at such a level. Venus we understood, long, lean, and was seemingly built for the sport. As Rena gets older her anatomy seems to becoming more of an issue. How can one get fit and match tough while always injured? Maybe just losing weight is the answer, seems simple enough but I wonder.

Soothing
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:26 AM
I certainly think she will give it her best, to see if she can overcome this obstacle which is Henin. Judging on what I've seen and read about her I don't see Serena walking away from this challenge. Unless their's some physical reason that makes it impossible.

Jeff
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:28 AM
Serena's too competitive to walk away.

supergrunt
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:18 AM
Serena really needs to become #2 or 1 in the world. When she went into the match against Henin she was not hitting her hardest or being offensive on purpose. She wanted to "peak." Against Henin she'll have to play her best... so she needs to play her in a final. That's all- just the luck of the draw. :shrug:

joey1045
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:42 AM
This has been a good year for serena. Compared to last year, she is doing great. I think she can only get better. I believe in serena, and I know she will prevail.

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:43 AM
Serena is finished like Kuzzy is. Their bodies are getting too fat and their faces too old. It's in their genes, can't really blame them.

Lulu.
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:31 AM
Serena knows what she needs to do and I expect she will do what it takes to get back to the top of her game. She had a good year this year winning a Slam and the biggest Tier I tournament. Next year should be good as well hopefully injury free.

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:34 AM
She started the year losing to Bammer. So, no, she didn't "start the year with a bang".

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:55 AM
Serena knows what she needs to do and I expect she will do what it takes to get back to the top of her game. She had a good year this year winning a Slam and the biggest Tier I tournament. Next year should be good as well hopefully injury free.


Any year you win a slam is a good year...but she was injured at and before the French, Wimbledon, and now the US Open. If she cannot get a grip on these injuries it will be difficult to get fit amd match tough. Without toughness and fitness, the Serena we all are awaiting cannot appear or at least it will be extremely difficult.

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:56 AM
She started the year losing to Bammer. So, no, she didn't "start the year with a bang".


Picky picky! ;)

supergrunt
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:59 AM
Any year you win a slam is a good year...but she was injured at and before the French, Wimbledon, and now the US Open. If she cannot get a grip on these injuries it will be difficult to get fit amd match tough. Without toughness and fitness, the Serena we all are awaiting cannot appear or at least it will be extremely difficult.

what was wrong with her at the French?

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:07 AM
Serena's determination is not the issue being addressed. Rather it is the ability of her body to take the pounding day in and day out at least to the extent, she can obtain the fitness she needs to challenge Justine.

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:09 AM
what was wrong with her at the French?

Wasn't injury cited as the reason she did not play clay warmups prior to the French?

Lulu.
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:14 AM
Wasn't injury cited as the reason she did not play clay warmups prior to the French?

She played Rome and made it the Quarterfinals.

Hazy
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:16 AM
what was wrong with her at the French?

She lost, so she was obviously injured ;)

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:16 AM
She played and made the Quarterfinals of Rome.


Didn't she withdraw in her QF match with injury?

Lulu.
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:20 AM
Didn't she withdraw in her QF match with injury?

No she lost to Schnyder in 3 sets.

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:32 AM
She lost, so she was obviously injured ;)


Did not help that Henin violated her either. ;)

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:33 AM
No she lost to Schnyder in 3 sets.

You're right forgot that match already......thanks.

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:44 AM
Serena is finished like Kuzzy is. Their bodies are getting too fat and their faces too old. It's in their genes, can't really blame them.

What do you mean it is in their jeans? ;)

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:11 AM
Beyonce seems to have a similar body type to Serena and she manages to stay trim (as she can). She's a similar age to Serena too. So i think with hard work, and focus Serena can get herself into devastating form.

Be honest - Serena has played 6 tournaments this year including the USO (and withdraw from one injured). Justine Henin started her year later, and has managed to play 11 tournaments now, and played a full schedule in 2006. In 2006 Serena started the year BIGGER, losing to the likes of Hantuchova. She's improved her form and won 2 big titles since then, so i imagine she'll get even better bar injury.

But it's really up to her to work hard and make it. We can only hope the loses to Henin have given her a much needed kick.

bandabou
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:15 AM
She needs to go back to the drawing board. What to do about Justine? Justine seems to be having her number now..so what can she do about that?

Chrissie-fan
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:19 AM
Serena has done great by anyone's standards except by those she sets for herself and by those some of her fans expect from her. Compare where she was twelve months ago with where she is now. She's done very well.

saki
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:30 AM
I think she needs to play more. If she played more, her ranking would be #4 or higher and the she wouldn't be meeting Justine in QFs. I think Serena tends to play herself into form over the course of a GS and she'd have a better chance against Justine in a SF or a F.

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:42 PM
Beyonce seems to have a similar body type to Serena and she manages to stay trim (as she can). She's a similar age to Serena too. So i think with hard work, and focus Serena can get herself into devastating form.

Be honest - Serena has played 6 tournaments this year including the USO (and withdraw from one injured). Justine Henin started her year later, and has managed to play 11 tournaments now, and played a full schedule in 2006. In 2006 Serena started the year BIGGER, losing to the likes of Hantuchova. She's improved her form and won 2 big titles since then, so i imagine she'll get even better bar injury.

But it's really up to her to work hard and make it. We can only hope the loses to Henin have given her a much needed kick.

That's just it, injury is and remains in the equation. Every other tourney she plays, injury of some type creeps in. It sets her back. One step forward and then two steps back. She needs some type of continuity of training and matches to progress.

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:46 PM
She needs to go back to the drawing board. What to do about Justine? Justine seems to be having her number now..so what can she do about that?

One thing is to be able to practice and play tournaments...I remember Miami of 2002 Serena was in such great shape it was amazing......defeated Venus, Hingis, and Capriati to win. She even beat Justine on clay. Played perhaps her fullest season in terms of matches.

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:53 PM
Serena has done great by anyone's standards except by those she sets for herself and by those some of her fans expect from her. Compare where she was twelve months ago with where she is now. She's done very well.

I guess 2007 is better than 2006 Serena, but has a ways to go to equal 2002/2003 Serena. I have no doubt she could get there if she could only play and practice. When if ever will she? Now that is the million dollar question. I will watching to see if her body now at 26 can hold up, with her build and weight.

jujufreak
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:00 PM
Any year you win a slam is a good year...but she was injured at and before the French, Wimbledon, and now the US Open. If she cannot get a grip on these injuries it will be difficult to get fit amd match tough. Without toughness and fitness, the Serena we all are awaiting cannot appear or at least it will be extremely difficult.

If she hadn't won the Aussie Open, you would've come up with a lack of competitive matches, fitness and maybe a minor injury, her fans always come up with excuses when she loses. When she wins, it's all because she's so great, it's hilarious :D

jujufreak
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:02 PM
Didn't she withdraw in her QF match with injury?

you should check your facts before posting here ;)

harloo
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Serena would do herself well if she started doing aqua aerobics and contacted a top notch physical therapist. When all the injuries are healed she should resume training then. I think at Wimbledon Serena was prepared but after that she slipped because of the injuries. She needs to be at her best level to defeat Justine.

These are a few other things that would help her cause:

1. Serena needs to play a bit more, all the starting and stoping isn't good for her body or game.

2. Lose a bit of weight- to be honest winning the Australian Open didn't give Serena an incentive to work harder. When she showed up to Miami she did lose some weight but Serena needs to get a celebrity fitness instructor to whip her body in shape like 2002.

3. Especially look for smaller tournaments Justine is playing in to increase chances of meeting up with her. These matches are less pressure and will give Serena a vision as to what works against Justine and what doesn't.

I don't think a drastic change needs to be made because Justine won the Open with first serves under 50%. Justine is always consistent and will never beat herself like some of the other players. So if Serena can raise her level in their encounters she'll start winning more. I don't believe it's necessarily anything Justine does in her game to trouble Serena, but moreso the fact that she's more prepared and fit.:):worship:

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:09 PM
you should check your facts before posting here ;)


Psst ah I asked a question, did not state a fact. :rolleyes:

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:15 PM
Serena would do herself well if she started doing aqua aerobics and contacted a top notch physical therapist. When all the injuries are healed she should resume training then. I think at Wimbledon Serena was prepared but after that she slipped because of the injuries. She needs to be at her best level to defeat Justine.

These are a few other things that would help her cause:

1. Serena needs to play a bit more, all the starting and stoping isn't good for her body or game.

2. Lose a bit of weight- to be honest winning the Australian Open didn't give Serena an incentive to work harder. When she showed up to Miami she did lose some weight but Serena needs to get a celebrity fitness instructor to whip her body in shape like 2002.

3. Especially look for smaller tournaments Justine is playing in to increase chances of meeting up with her. These matches are less pressure and will give Serena a vision as to what works against Justine and what doesn't.

I don't think a drastic change needs to be made because Justine won the Open with first serves under 50%. Justine is always consistent and will never beat herself like some of the other players. So if Serena can raise her level in their encounters she'll start winning more. I don't believe it's necessarily anything Justine does in her game to trouble Serena, but moreso the fact that she's more prepared and fit.:):worship:

Great post, I know they do have personal trainers but playing matches are different than practice. Maybe lower tier events where she can work herself into shape with less pressure as you suggested.

TLP
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:46 PM
Serena would do herself well if she started doing aqua aerobics and contacted a top notch physical therapist. When all the injuries are healed she should resume training then. I think at Wimbledon Serena was prepared but after that she slipped because of the injuries. She needs to be at her best level to defeat Justine.

These are a few other things that would help her cause:

1. Serena needs to play a bit more, all the starting and stoping isn't good for her body or game.

2. Lose a bit of weight- to be honest winning the Australian Open didn't give Serena an incentive to work harder. When she showed up to Miami she did lose some weight but Serena needs to get a celebrity fitness instructor to whip her body in shape like 2002.

3. Especially look for smaller tournaments Justine is playing in to increase chances of meeting up with her. These matches are less pressure and will give Serena a vision as to what works against Justine and what doesn't.

I don't think a drastic change needs to be made because Justine won the Open with first serves under 50%. Justine is always consistent and will never beat herself like some of the other players. So if Serena can raise her level in their encounters she'll start winning more. I don't believe it's necessarily anything Justine does in her game to trouble Serena, but moreso the fact that she's more prepared and fit.:):worship:

Serena has millions upon millions of dollars. She has above average intelligence, IMO. She has physios at her beck and call, she has chefs to fix low cal and nutritious meals for her, she has high tech work out facilities and equiptment at her fingertips. She has raw power up the wazoo and tremendous talent. What she also has is choices. She chooses to be 160-170 pounds and this causes her weight bearing joints to rebel against her. All the things you want for her or yourself as a great fan are available to Serena already. She is so good at tennis that she doesn't have to work as hard as those with lesser gifts. Sereana, I believe is dragged down by her own success. I don't believe she works nearly as hard as Venus or Justine. That left knee may be a bigger problem than any of us know but that weight, that many posters defend, is not good for Serena's future tennis career and she is the only person that can do something about that.

drez
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Serena would do herself well if she started doing aqua aerobics and contacted a top notch physical therapist. When all the injuries are healed she should resume training then. I think at Wimbledon Serena was prepared but after that she slipped because of the injuries. She needs to be at her best level to defeat Justine.

These are a few other things that would help her cause:

1. Serena needs to play a bit more, all the starting and stoping isn't good for her body or game.

2. Lose a bit of weight- to be honest winning the Australian Open didn't give Serena an incentive to work harder. When she showed up to Miami she did lose some weight but Serena needs to get a celebrity fitness instructor to whip her body in shape like 2002.

3. Especially look for smaller tournaments Justine is playing in to increase chances of meeting up with her. These matches are less pressure and will give Serena a vision as to what works against Justine and what doesn't.

I don't think a drastic change needs to be made because Justine won the Open with first serves under 50%. Justine is always consistent and will never beat herself like some of the other players. So if Serena can raise her level in their encounters she'll start winning more. I don't believe it's necessarily anything Justine does in her game to trouble Serena, but moreso the fact that she's more prepared and fit.:):worship:

i think youre right about justine's game. she usually serving at 50 and her 2nd serves are usually down the T (much like her 1st serves).
serena can certainly pressure her if she flattens out her strokes (her top spin shots, when they aren't winners against Maria, are just ugly. i hold my breath whenever they land in the middle of the court.)

her problem is that she can hit basically any shot, as long as she has time to prepare. Losing 15 pounds will do wonders for her joints as well as her game. Don't know why she doesn't do it? two years is a long time to carry all that baggage and being an athlete at teh same time. Heck, even Marion seems to move better the past couple of months, and i think that's saying alot.

that being said, at 25, i hoping she finds her championship form for 2008!

jujufreak
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:06 PM
Psst ah I asked a question, did not state a fact. :rolleyes:

you stated Serena was injured before and at the French Open ;)

meyerpl
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:18 PM
The formula for Serena continuing to improve likely consists of her continuing to work on her fitness and trying to compete more. It's great to see her back to playing on a level that makes her a threat to win any tournament she enters again. Now, if she wants, she can take the next step and become a favorite again rather than just a threat.

harloo
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:02 PM
Serena has millions upon millions of dollars. She has above average intelligence, IMO. She has physios at her beck and call, she has chefs to fix low cal and nutritious meals for her, she has high tech work out facilities and equiptment at her fingertips. She has raw power up the wazoo and tremendous talent. What she also has is choices. She chooses to be 160-170 pounds and this causes her weight bearing joints to rebel against her. All the things you want for her or yourself as a great fan are available to Serena already. She is so good at tennis that she doesn't have to work as hard as those with lesser gifts. Sereana, I believe is dragged down by her own success. I don't believe she works nearly as hard as Venus or Justine. That left knee may be a bigger problem than any of us know but that weight, that many posters defend, is not good for Serena's future tennis career and she is the only person that can do something about that.

Did you read the title of this thread? It clearly states, "Assessing Serena-Where does she go from here?", so it seems you are only focusing on what Serena has access to instead of what is a possible solution for her recent loses. I gave my analysis on what Serena should do, whether she follows any of my suggestions is her own personal decision.:)

And we know Serena at times takes her talent for granted. She has the ability to play great tennis even without much practice or extensive training, but those who work harder are starting to have better results(Justine, Venus). At this point I think it's appropriate for the question to be asked and it's always interesting to have a discussion as to what went wrong during her matches.

Do you have anything of substance to add to the discussion?

SV_Fan
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:10 PM
She know s what she has to do, and Serena is built for the sport. Her and Amelie sort have the same body type. It all depends on what Serena wants. Serena and Venus are back noe and played almost 10 events this year and they still have more planned and Serena did say that she was going to the YEC. Don't count Serena out. She knows she is better than Justine so those venus. They justine have to train, a little harder, Hit with more power, and create more Angles. Serena is constantly compared to Monica Seles.

If you haven't noticed the Sisters need a loss to motivate them and losing 3 times in a row is more than enough and Serena just started a 2 handed back hand again.

Ceri
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:20 PM
She needs to rest up, get fitter, and play more tournaments to reach peak match tough level again. And she needs to find her motivation again. Serena is a great player, and if she works hard enough, will be back at the top end of the game. But she has to work for it, not just want it.

TLP
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:46 PM
Did you read the title of this thread? It clearly states, "Assessing Serena-Where does she go from here?", so it seems you are only focusing on what Serena has access to instead of what is a possible solution for her recent loses. I gave my analysis on what Serena should do, whether she follows any of my suggestions is her own personal decision.:)

And we know Serena at times takes her talent for granted. She has the ability to play great tennis even without much practice or extensive training, but those who work harder are starting to have better results(Justine, Venus). At this point I think it's appropriate for the question to be asked and it's always interesting to have a discussion as to what went wrong during her matches.

Do you have anything of substance to add to the discussion?

Harloo:

You read and interpret my post any way your want. I don't find fault in what you stated but I believe Serena and her people already have everything to do what you are suggesting. My thoughts of where Serena goes from here to be better than she was this year is to take some stress off of her joints by dropping the excess weight. I realize this is hardly an earth shattering suggestion. Taking the ball earlier, improving her second serve, working on her volleys, are all secondary to the stress she is putting on her knees, ankles, and hips. She already has the game.

harloo
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:37 PM
Harloo:

You read and interpret my post any way your want. Idon't find fault in what you stated but I believe Serena and her people already have everything to do what you are suggesting. My thoughts of where Serena goes from here to be better than she was this year is to take some stress off of her joints by dropping the excess weight. I realize this is hardly an earth shattering suggestion. Taking the ball earlier, improving her second serve, working on her volleys, are all secondary to the stress she is putting on her knees, ankles, and hips. She already has the game.

I think anyone with common sense knows that Serena has access to the proper training facilities, best chefs, and outstanding doctors. However, it comes down to whether she decides to connect them together at this point. I just didn't understand why you listed everything she had access to instead of responding to what she needed to do?:confused:

For the most part I agree with your suggestions but also feel that Serena could benefit from seeking out an in demand celebrity trainer. Fitness is very important where Serena is concerned, losing the weight would indeed take some of the pressure off of her joints.

Forehand_Volley
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:41 PM
I don't think a drastic change needs to be made because Justine won the Open with first serves under 50%.
Incorrect.

Henin First Serve Percentage for entire US Open: 205/377 = 54%

By round:

Finals: 34/60 = 57%
Semi: 41/70 = 59%
Quar: 38/76 = 50%
4th: 24/40 = 60%
3rd: 22/35 = 63%
2nd: 22/42 = 52%
1st: 24/54 = 44%

But that's not what Serena should worry about. This is.

Henin Winners/Unforced Errors Ratio for Entire US Open: 153 Winners 107 Unforced Errors

By round:

Final: 25 Win 21 UE
Semi: 29 Win 22 UE
Quar: 30 Win 22 UE
4th: 30 Win 9 UE
3rd: 13 Win 9 UE
2nd: 18 Win 11 UE
1st: 22 Win 13 UE

harloo
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:48 PM
Incorrect.

Henin First Serve Percentage for entire US Open: 205/377 = 54%

By round:

Finals: 34/60 = 57%
Semi: 41/70 = 59%
Quar: 38/76 = 50%
4th: 24/40 = 60%
3rd: 22/35 = 63%
2nd: 22/42 = 52%
1st: 24/54 = 44%

4% higher, a big difference. Serena's first serve is far superior than Justine's and on hard courts it should be the difference. By all means nobody is trying take any credit from Justine because she won fair and square, but her overall average for the tournament on first serves is less than impressive. If anything Serena should of been able to expose that weakness. But instead she dumped so many second serve returns into the net that Henin wasn't pressured at all. :)

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:49 PM
Serena would do herself well if she started doing aqua aerobics and contacted a top notch physical therapist. When all the injuries are healed she should resume training then. I think at Wimbledon Serena was prepared but after that she slipped because of the injuries. She needs to be at her best level to defeat Justine.

These are a few other things that would help her cause:

1. Serena needs to play a bit more, all the starting and stoping isn't good for her body or game.

2. Lose a bit of weight- to be honest winning the Australian Open didn't give Serena an incentive to work harder. When she showed up to Miami she did lose some weight but Serena needs to get a celebrity fitness instructor to whip her body in shape like 2002.

3. Especially look for smaller tournaments Justine is playing in to increase chances of meeting up with her. These matches are less pressure and will give Serena a vision as to what works against Justine and what doesn't.

I don't think a drastic change needs to be made because Justine won the Open with first serves under 50%. Justine is always consistent and will never beat herself like some of the other players. So if Serena can raise her level in their encounters she'll start winning more. I don't believe it's necessarily anything Justine does in her game to trouble Serena, but moreso the fact that she's more prepared and fit.:):worship:

:worship: :bowdown: GREAT post. I agree with everything, especially the last paragraph. This is why i've been writing the posts that i have.

Forehand_Volley
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:49 PM
Serena's first serve is far superior than Justine's and on hard courts it should be the difference.
I'm sure it was.

TLP
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:52 PM
I think anyone with common sense knows that Serena has access to the proper training facilities, best chefs, and outstanding doctors. However, it comes down to whether she decides to connect them together at this point. I just didn't understand why you listed everything she had access to instead of responding to what she needed to do?:confused:

For the most part I agree with your suggestions but also feel that Serena could benefit from seeking out an in demand celebrity trainer. Fitness is very important where Serena is concerned, losing the weight would indeed take some of the pressure off of her joints.

I think we were just talking around each other. Serena has it all. A top celebrity trainer is one of the tickets.

harloo
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:56 PM
I'm sure it was.

:confused::help:You're a lost cause, I give up.:lol:

Forehand_Volley
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:58 PM
:confused::help:You're a lost cause, I give up.:lol:
I've been lost for many years. :lol: :lol:

harloo
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:58 PM
I think we were just talking around each other. Serena has it all. A top celebrity trainer is one of the tickets.

:lol: I was thinking the same thing, we agree but just keep taking around each other.

Forehand_Volley
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:00 PM
I think we were just talking around each other. Serena has it all. A top celebrity trainer is one of the tickets.
http://www.bravotv.com/_media/workout/bios/photo_trainer_jackie.gif
Jackie Warner

harloo
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:01 PM
I've been lost for many years. :lol: :lol:

:lol: :D

felipe2004
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:09 PM
Beyonce seems to have a similar body type to Serena and she manages to stay trim (as she can). She's a similar age to Serena too. So i think with hard work, and focus Serena can get herself into devastating form.

Be honest - Serena has played 6 tournaments this year including the USO (and withdraw from one injured). Justine Henin started her year later, and has managed to play 11 tournaments now, and played a full schedule in 2006. In 2006 Serena started the year BIGGER, losing to the likes of Hantuchova. She's improved her form and won 2 big titles since then, so i imagine she'll get even better bar injury.

But it's really up to her to work hard and make it. We can only hope the loses to Henin have given her a much needed kick.

Serena played 8 tournaments this year ;) (Hobart, AO, Miami, Charleston, Rome, RG, Wimbledon, USO)

StarDuvallGrant
Sep 9th, 2007, 05:23 PM
The formula for Serena continuing to improve likely consists of her continuing to work on her fitness and trying to compete more. It's great to see her back to playing on a level that makes her a threat to win any tournament she enters again. Now, if she wants, she can take the next step and become a favorite again rather than just a threat.

True.

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:13 PM
She needs to rest up, get fitter, and play more tournaments to reach peak match tough level again. And she needs to find her motivation again. Serena is a great player, and if she works hard enough, will be back at the top end of the game. But she has to work for it, not just want it.


This is the point of this thread. She cannot play more tournanents it seems, she cannot get fitter, because her body seems to rebel and she becomes injured in some way. Consequently, she is always in rehabilitation.

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:19 PM
I think anyone with common sense knows that Serena has access to the proper training facilities, best chefs, and outstanding doctors. However, it comes down to whether she decides to connect them together at this point. I just didn't understand why you listed everything she had access to instead of responding to what she needed to do?:confused:

For the most part I agree with your suggestions but also feel that Serena could benefit from seeking out an in demand celebrity trainer. Fitness is very important where Serena is concerned, losing the weight would indeed take some of the pressure off of her joints.

One of the reasons I ask the question where does she go from here is, since 2003 this issue of form has been an issue. Four years later and we are still giving the same solutions. It begs the question is it simply that she is lazy or is there something more sinister? Is her body changing in a way that is not conducive to being a tennisplayer?

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:25 PM
4% higher, a big difference. Serena's first serve is far superior than Justine's and on hard courts it should be the difference. By all means nobody is trying take any credit from Justine because she won fair and square, but her overall average for the tournament on first serves is less than impressive. If anything Serena should of been able to expose that weakness. But instead she dumped so many second serve returns into the net that Henin wasn't pressured at all. :)

Serena of today lacks precision, at her best she hits hard flat shots to the corners and close to the lines. Serena now returns to the middle of the court, why is she affraid to hit out? Simple cannot get the ball over the net and in between the lines. In addition at the USO her forehand was a hot mess. No match play, no precision. If she tries to play more, it seems she gets injured more and misses the tourney altogether.

DemWilliamsGulls
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:31 PM
You can believe after Serena loosing to Justine a 3rd time she is going to get her act together...she'g gotta get back the size she was in 04. Venus and Serena tends to get a little lax after they win a grand slam. I think Venus lost the other day because she probably was tired especially after that long match with Jankovic..because Henin barely beat her..a tight tie break and 1 break in the 2nd. Hopefully both of em will practice together (something I think they dont do anymore) the way they use to back when they were dominating.

gopher
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:44 PM
If she stops eating icecream I foresee a YEC win and maybe another slam.

sharapovarulz1
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:46 PM
She needs to hit the gym and regain her top fitness!

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:52 PM
She needs to hit the gym and regain her top fitness!


To gain her precision she will need more than the gym, it will take matches. When she plays matches she gets injured based on the last 4 years. See the dilemna?

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 09:23 PM
Serena played 8 tournaments this year ;) (Hobart, AO, Miami, Charleston, Rome, RG, Wimbledon, USO)

Yep. But she has struggled in most of her matches in all tournaments. Lost to Bammer in Hobart.

Had to come back from 1-6, 3-5 down against Petrova (who really outplayed her for the first half) and struggled against Vaidisova and Peer

Struggled again in Miami against Vaidisova and Peer had to come back from 0-6, 4-5 (15-40) against Henin

Retired while down 3-5 or so against Chan in Chareslton - hamstring injury

Struggled in most matches in rome before lose to Schnyder 7-6 in the third.

Struggled in all matches in RG before losing in straight sets to henin

Struggled in all matches in wimbledon before lossing to Henin in 3

Struggled in all matches at USO.

Most of her matches have been struggled, with particularly her footwork and mvement being tested/exposed. How some people are going on about she's in good form, and was the AO winner. It's all been a struggle and she can play much better!

Thanx4nothin
Sep 9th, 2007, 10:40 PM
She should get on a running machine, and stay there until the YEC.

Sund7101
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:09 PM
she'll be back in shape and ready for the challenge---and I can't wait.

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:13 PM
she'll be back in shape and ready for the challenge---and I can't wait.


I hope you are right, plus I never count either sister out. But what you just said has been uttered for 4 straight years.

homogenius
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:17 PM
Yep. But she has struggled in most of her matches in all tournaments. Lost to Bammer in Hobart.

Had to come back from 1-6, 3-5 down against Petrova (who really outplayed her for the first half) and struggled against Vaidisova and Peer

Struggled again in Miami against Vaidisova and Peer had to come back from 0-6, 4-5 (15-40) against Henin

Retired while down 3-5 or so against Chan in Chareslton - hamstring injury

Struggled in most matches in rome before lose to Schnyder 7-6 in the third.

Struggled in all matches in RG before losing in straight sets to henin

Struggled in all matches in wimbledon before lossing to Henin in 3

Struggled in all matches at USO.

Most of her matches have been struggled, with particularly her footwork and mvement being tested/exposed. How some people are going on about she's in good form, and was the AO winner. It's all been a struggle and she can play much better!

She was not in bad shape at AO (not her best but still).It was evident that she made efforts and worked (lost some weight etc...)during the winter.Still after this win and Miami, she should have been very motivated to get in top form and regain the n°1 spot.Despite of that it was the opposite : she gained weight again.We always heard about her knee or something that bother her,so why not maintain herself in shape to avoid these problems.It's not that difficult to lost weight.
What make you think that she'll do what it takes to get in better form if she wasn't able to did that after her good start of the season ?

Sund7101
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:22 PM
I hope you are right, plus I never count either sister out. But what you just said has been uttered for 4 straight years.

I think Serena was really embaressed by her loss to Justine and will be even more motivated to get back into her top form. She clearly isn't in her top form. She is a step slow right now and it's clearly affecting her play, Serena watches her matches and hopefully she'll be able to see that. Her technique on her groundies will improve once she gets back into shape, her forehand especially. She just wasn't moving well on that side. I think that one extra step will make all the difference in her game.

She truly is one of the best fighters of all time and we've all learned to never count her out. She'll be back.

GoDominique
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:22 PM
Probably to some movie premiere.

SunriseSunset
Sep 10th, 2007, 12:56 AM
I don't think that being long and lean makes Venus more suited- Justine isn't long. I just think that she needs to get fit and healthy. Like she said, she isn't like other skinny tennis players because she has a big chest and bum, but she does need to get down to a healthy weight/body fat percentage.

Maybe she should ask herself how badly she wants to play tennis anymore. I'd love for her to get to number one, retire at the top after beating the top players and then move on with her life and enjoy her rewards, boyfriend and family.

Do I think that she's a "part-time" player? No. If she's getting injured as it is, why play even more and make it even worse? Why put unnecessary pressure on herself? Her sister dying is a sign that life is too short to do what she doesn't want to do.

CJ07
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:05 AM
She needs to get down to her 2004 weight if she wants to be able to play tennis. If she wants to be thick its great, but for a tennis player with her game style, that isn't going to work

switz
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:11 AM
people were silly for thinking because Serena won the Australian Open that she was suddenly going to dominate like she once did. There's no doubt in my mind that Serena is still capable of being the best player on tour but the simple reality is that injuries are always going to be an issue for her and she needs to get into peak shape to minimise the risk and she needs to be completely focused on her tennis. That may not be what she wants to do and that's absolutely fine. It will mean, however, that she's very unlikely to ever be number 1 again or win multiple slams each year.

bunch_01
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:27 AM
Just because one has access to all the resource one needs does not mean you a) use them or b) actually access the best of the best.

I think Serena should look to other sports for some temporary training assistance. My favorite example is beach volleyball. It would not be possible to be in the shape some of these tennis players are in and still be successful in that sport. The sand works you hard yet is forgiving to your joints.

iWill
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:40 AM
Serena really needs to become #2 or 1 in the world. When she went into the match against Henin she was not hitting her hardest or being offensive on purpose. She wanted to "peak." Against Henin she'll have to play her best... so she needs to play her in a final. That's all- just the luck of the draw. :shrug:

I sort of think like that maybe not exactly the same way BUT...... QF/SF Serena isn't the same as Finals Serena and that is proven because she doesn't get up for a QF like she does a Final. She needs to play more but I don't think she will. I wish but its probably not going to happen atleast not next year if she is playing in 09 when the roadmap starts (I think) then she'll probably be ranked much higher.

All that Serena needs to do is keep conditioning and training and play more matches its as simple as that and had she not been injured after wimbledon she said she had planned on playing a lot more so hopefully she'll play more tourneys next year

supergrunt
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:44 AM
I mean anyway really, if Henin is going to dominate and she truly will be #1 forever and ever, than there are no better candidates for #'s 2 and 3 than Venus and Serena.

iWill
Sep 10th, 2007, 06:49 AM
Yep. But she has struggled in most of her matches in all tournaments. Lost to Bammer in Hobart.

Had to come back from 1-6, 3-5 down against Petrova (who really outplayed her for the first half) and struggled against Vaidisova and Peer

Struggled again in Miami against Vaidisova and Peer had to come back from 0-6, 4-5 (15-40) against Henin

Retired while down 3-5 or so against Chan in Chareslton - hamstring injury

Struggled in most matches in rome before lose to Schnyder 7-6 in the third.

Struggled in all matches in RG before losing in straight sets to henin

Struggled in all matches in wimbledon before lossing to Henin in 3

Struggled in all matches at USO.

Most of her matches have been struggled, with particularly her footwork and mvement being tested/exposed. How some people are going on about she's in good form, and was the AO winner. It's all been a struggle and she can play much better!

Um...... I'm going to need you to define struggle despite her first round scare in RG she won all her matches in straight sets until losing to Henin

In miami she beat Vaidisova and Peer in straight sets and won at least one set 6-1 in both matches

At wimbledon it may be fair to say she struggles some but really only in the Hantuchova match because of the obvious reason

Basically Serena can look back on this year and know that she has to do better and also have some piece of mind to know she can do better so it will be interesting to see if she just sits after the USO and hopes she makes the YEC or if she'll play and get herself prepared for it because she DOES have some work to do

Petersmiler
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:13 AM
Serena needs to lose a little weight and gain some motivation.

I think she had it so easy for so long that she thought she could still turn up unprepared and win, just like she did at the Aussie. She has discovered that she now needs more preparation to be match tough enough to beat Justine.

She has still been plagued by injuries this year, possibly caused by her lack of fitness. Now that she has lost to Justine 3 times in a row, I think she has the motivation to get fit again.

If she works on this between now and next January, we tennis fans will be in for a real treat. Just imagine, 3 active players with mutiple slams and with only a couple of victories seperating them. And next year is Olympics too!

This time next year we could easily see Serena on double digit slams with a Gold medal as well.

Of course we could just as easily see Justine or Venus in a similar position. How exciting could next year be!

austennis
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:46 AM
she hasnt played enough since Miami to have any form of consistancy and without this i see her unable to find on going winning form

Aravanecaravan
Sep 10th, 2007, 10:59 AM
"Assessing Serena - Where does she go from here? "

Probably to McDonald's.

jazzfuzion
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:02 AM
where does she go from here?
how about more matches under her belt?
isn't it always good to have more matchplay? its always good to have that.

she definitely still has got game.

dwynn10
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:21 AM
She know s what she has to do, and Serena is built for the sport. Her and Amelie sort have the same body type.

Channeling McEnroe: you can't be serious! Mauresmo is built like a Greek goddess (I refer only to her physique here). Serena is built like a Mack truck (no disrespect).

frontier
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:34 AM
She should work on her fitness and play more at least more than eight events.I am a Serena fan but her weight is hindering her and not helping with her knee problems.Serena needs to go back to 2002 fitness to be match tough and be conservative because 2008 is going to be very competetive.

bagola
Sep 10th, 2007, 11:48 AM
Well after reading so many posts, I think the most important thing for Serena to do is to improve her FITNESS LEVEL.

Some people say playing more games would help her, but I don't agree. The way Serena or Venus plays (Power server, heavy groundstrokes and court movement) is a liability to the body conditioning the longer the tournament and as the match goes on if the FITNESS level is not there. While it is easy to stay fit on the 1st few rounds of matches in a GS as the opponents are either mentally weak or on a different level, at later stages in GS it begins to toll into effect. If you don't improve on your FITNESS or body conditioning, the more matches or the longer you play in a match will only worsen your condition.

The injury prone happened to Serena or Venus is not a coincidence. Its a result of their style of play. People citing Ser or Vee lose becuz of injury etc bla bla bla is just plain wrong. A player is supposed to stay fit for the match. It's the player's problem that you got beat whether through an injury, or lose becuz the other player plays better. If you lose becuz you are injured, that means your body conditioning or FITness is not good enough to complete. Venus I think is fine after watching her watch with Henin, but Serena........I don't really see her winning another GS with her CURRENT FITNESS. If she wants to win one, she has to start getting a fitness instructor, and more importantly, COMMIT and WORK HARD!! Justine don't win the 2 GS this yr by fluke, she wins through hard work and determination after recovering from her marriage separation. Venus, Serena and Henin are very close in terms of skills and talent wise, but right now Henin is on top becuz her FITNESS is better than either Vee or Ser. So in summary, unless Serena works hard on trimming her weight by at least 15 lbs, and work hard in fitness, she cannot compete with Henin unless Henin brings her C game to the match.

There are also a few young players coming up which could threaten the top women. So I think Serena better prepares or else she will go slamless in 2008 )) Even Jankovic could probably beat Serena next time they meet if she is still in the current form.



It is evident after the 1st between Ser and Henin Serena is breathing harder, that is evidenced of lack of training and fitness. This is just what I see. I think Serena should look up Federer as to her training Idol becuz right now he is the best in both WTA and ATP. Federer goes deep into 90% of his tournaments and winning, yet you rarely see him withdraw during a match or prior to the match, and he plays consistently for so many matches the last few years. (around 70+ if I remember right) Imagine what result Vee and Serena or even Henin would get with that many matches played each year?? That is how important it proves when your FITNESS is on top. It gives you confidence over other things (e.g endurance during a match, you know you have energy to fight back etc). After the 1st of Ser vs Henin you already know Serena would lose. But when you watch Federer's game against Lopez or Isner, you know he would win even after he lose the 1st set. That's the difference between Fed and Serena. While both have skills and talents, their difference of FITNESS sometimes decides the outcome of a match.

Marshmallow
Sep 10th, 2007, 12:07 PM
She was not in bad shape at AO (not her best but still).It was evident that she made efforts and worked (lost some weight etc...)during the winter.Still after this win and Miami, she should have been very motivated to get in top form and regain the n°1 spot. Despite of that it was the opposite : she gained weight again. We always heard about her knee or something that bother her,so why not maintain herself in shape to avoid these problems.It's not that difficult to lost weight.
What make you think that she'll do what it takes to get in better form if she wasn't able to did that after her good start of the season ?

I didn't say she was in bad SHAPE at the AO more than any other time. But she did struggle. She was sounding as though she was being mugged in her second round match - the first set which went to a tiebreak - against (a no-name really i think).

As for the bold? Do you think she GAINED weight? It's hard to tell. Maybe her AO - Miami outfit was more flattering i'm not sure. But i tend to agree that she didn't use her AO and Miami win to propell her into harder work... But no doubt this USO will.

Marshmallow
Sep 10th, 2007, 12:39 PM
Um...... I'm going to need you to define struggle despite her first round scare in RG she won all her matches in straight sets until losing to Henin

In miami she beat Vaidisova and Peer in straight sets and won at least one set 6-1 in both matches

At wimbledon it may be fair to say she struggles some but really only in the Hantuchova match because of the obvious reason

Basically Serena can look back on this year and know that she has to do better and also have some piece of mind to know she can do better so it will be interesting to see if she just sits after the USO and hopes she makes the YEC or if she'll play and get herself prepared for it because she DOES have some work to do

Watching those matching, Serena seemed to struggle and the score line doesn't do much justice. As in, had a difficult time completing the task at hand. Many matches were closer than the score.

With respect to the Bold, against Molik it was SO tough she was a break down perhaps a couple of times. Not moving well at all. Domigez Lino served for the first set in round one. Only simple match at Wimbledon was against Sequera - who really pushed Serena in that second set. You only have to look at how she was playing Squera - moving Serena around - that was an almighty struggle.

I don't even have to comment on the USO - sould make horror movie sound effects.

In the 2 tournaments she's won, she could have easily lost to experience top 10 players, who appeared to sucuumb to nerves, aand some more aggressive play.

Petrova at the AO - Nadia should/could have won 61 63
Henin in Miami - should have/could have won 60 64

Talula
Sep 10th, 2007, 01:35 PM
She could become an extra in rap or hip hop or whatever they're called videos. You know, one of the girls in a bikini wiggling about while some ugly bloke with a cap and big medallion mumbles on about being a stud.

TSequoia01
Sep 10th, 2007, 07:49 PM
Having read and considered the many posts (well at least the serious ones) it seems everyone agrees on the obvious...she should lose weight, get in shape, and play more matches. We also must assume Richard and Serena see eye to eye with us. So...........what is the problem why did this not happen after the French, Wimbledon, and now the U.S. Open? One poster even went on to say, she actually put on weight after Miami. Again I must say is there something more sinister at play here. Is it her knee which will not cooperate? Has she decided that getting healthy is just not in the cards and she must salvage what she can? So Serena just shows up at slams and does the best she can? Maybe I am just paranoid.....but I wonder.

friendsita
Sep 11th, 2007, 03:40 AM
I think she will do better next year!

Jubilee
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:27 AM
Just maybe...Ree needs a new love interest.
Vee seems to have benefited greatly from her liason with Hank...
Just a thought : )

starr
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:57 AM
My recommendation for Serena, as if she cares, is to work in the pool. She needs to work out in water. Aerobic and strength training in the water. She can take weight off, gain fitness, and baby her knees at the same time.

When Serena first came on to the scene, I predicted knee problems for her. It's the way her body is constructed. Boris Becker had the same problem. They both tend to have heavy lower bodies. Boris became very lean in his later years of playing --doubtless because of his knees. Serena can help herself by doing the same. Also she needs to stay off the stilettos. Monica had so many foot problems, but loved her Manolos. Stilettos are not made to promote healthy joints.

supergrunt
Sep 12th, 2007, 04:49 AM
She needs to clean up her strokes too... in Australia her footwork and her strokes were great and now everything looks sloppy and like she rolled out of bed to go play some tennis. :(

pigam
Sep 12th, 2007, 08:53 AM
For me, Serena has to have the courage to watch her losses from this year, and ask herself the question why she lost.

She has to see the difference in eg Maria and Justine. She has to see why she nets so many returns against Justine etc. ...

She has to start scouting some players, and not stick her head in the sand if she looses.

I'm not saying she isn't doing that right now, but if she isn't, that is what she should be doing.

You learn a lot from your losses.
And weather you like it or not, just the "reenge" feelings won't be enough to beat JH when she is playing well. To beat JH Serena has to analyse Justine's gameplan and come up with a good strategy of her own.

Of course, she has to be in good shape to do so, but I don't think her physical shap isn't THAT bad.

I fail to see why some people( serena included) don't seem to want to see why she looses to eg Justine, adn say it is all up to serena and it has nothing to do with the way Justine plays.

Justine knows why Amelie is such a tough opponent for her. she knows how Amelie tries (and succeeds!!) at beating her, therefore, Justine herself tries to come up withdifferent play against amelie, to rpevent the latter from beating her.

That is what tnnis is about. I hav'nt seen this from Serena, I'm sorry. Concerning tactics, atleast in her 3 last matches against Justine, she seemed clueless, and surprised every time.

When returning serves, tracking overheads, ... you can see that Justine has studied Serena's game. The inverse isn't true, imo.


Sorry to have pointed this post into the serena vs Justine spehere again, but I think it just prooves a good example. And besides, 3 of Serena's 6 losses this year (?) came against Justine.

TSequoia01
Sep 12th, 2007, 12:46 PM
[quote=pigam;11627814]For me, Serena has to have the courage to watch her losses from this year, and ask herself the question why she lost.

She has to see the difference in eg Maria and Justine. She has to see why she nets so many returns against Justine etc. ...

She has to start scouting some players, and not stick her head in the sand if she looses.

I'm not saying she isn't doing that right now, but if she isn't, that is what she should be doing.

You learn a lot from your losses.
And weather you like it or not, just the "reenge" feelings won't be enough to beat JH when she is playing well. To beat JH Serena has to analyse Justine's gameplan and come up with a good strategy of her own.

Of course, she has to be in good shape to do so, but I don't think her physical shap isn't THAT bad.

I fail to see why some people( serena included) don't seem to want to see why she looses to eg Justine, adn say it is all up to serena and it has nothing to do with the way Justine plays.

Justine knows why Amelie is such a tough opponent for her. she knows how Amelie tries (and succeeds!!) at beating her, therefore, Justine herself tries to come up withdifferent play against amelie, to rpevent the latter from beating her.

That is what tnnis is about. I hav'nt seen this from Serena, I'm sorry. Concerning tactics, atleast in her 3 last matches against Justine, she seemed clueless, and surprised every time.

When returning serves, tracking overheads, ... you can see that Justine has studied Serena's game. The inverse isn't true, imo.


Sorry to have pointed this post into the serena vs Justine spehere again, but I think it just prooves a good example. And besides,


If Serena's game looked good against everyone but Justine then your post would be spot on. But Serena did not have good form in any of her matches with exception of her serve. Against Bartoli, her forehand was a hot mess, and her movement sluggish. Serena is a power and precision player currently without the precision.

pigam
Sep 12th, 2007, 08:21 PM
[quote=pigam;11627814]For me, Serena has to have the courage to watch her losses from this year, and ask herself the question why she lost.

She has to see the difference in eg Maria and Justine. She has to see why she nets so many returns against Justine etc. ...

She has to start scouting some players, and not stick her head in the sand if she looses.

I'm not saying she isn't doing that right now, but if she isn't, that is what she should be doing.

You learn a lot from your losses.
And weather you like it or not, just the "reenge" feelings won't be enough to beat JH when she is playing well. To beat JH Serena has to analyse Justine's gameplan and come up with a good strategy of her own.

Of course, she has to be in good shape to do so, but I don't think her physical shap isn't THAT bad.

I fail to see why some people( serena included) don't seem to want to see why she looses to eg Justine, adn say it is all up to serena and it has nothing to do with the way Justine plays.

Justine knows why Amelie is such a tough opponent for her. she knows how Amelie tries (and succeeds!!) at beating her, therefore, Justine herself tries to come up withdifferent play against amelie, to rpevent the latter from beating her.

That is what tnnis is about. I hav'nt seen this from Serena, I'm sorry. Concerning tactics, atleast in her 3 last matches against Justine, she seemed clueless, and surprised every time.

When returning serves, tracking overheads, ... you can see that Justine has studied Serena's game. The inverse isn't true, imo.


Sorry to have pointed this post into the serena vs Justine spehere again, but I think it just prooves a good example. And besides,


If Serena's game looked good against everyone but Justine then your post would be spot on. But Serena did not have good form in any of her matches with exception of her serve. Against Bartoli, her forehand was a hot mess, and her movement sluggish. Serena is a power and precision player currently without the precision.


well, I still stand by my point.
She can beat I think 98% of the other topplayers by playing her current level.
She can beat Maria, Safina, Petrova, ...
Only i think Justine (and Venus?) combine mental, fitness and pur tennisabilities to such an extent that they can beat Serena on a consistent basis.
Therefore, imo, serena "should" (but who am I) dare to watch her losses and learn from there.

misael
Sep 12th, 2007, 09:00 PM
Beyonce seems to have a similar body type to Serena and she manages to stay trim (as she can). She's a similar age to Serena too. So i think with hard work, and focus Serena can get herself into devastating form.

Be honest - Serena has played 6 tournaments this year including the USO (and withdraw from one injured). Justine Henin started her year later, and has managed to play 11 tournaments now, and played a full schedule in 2006. In 2006 Serena started the year BIGGER, losing to the likes of Hantuchova. She's improved her form and won 2 big titles since then, so i imagine she'll get even better bar injury.

But it's really up to her to work hard and make it. We can only hope the loses to Henin have given her a much needed kick.

Serena has played in 9 tournaments

azinna
Sep 13th, 2007, 12:52 AM
My recommendation for Serena, as if she cares, is to work in the pool. She needs to work out in water. Aerobic and strength training in the water. She can take weight off, gain fitness, and baby her knees at the same time....

Been saying this for months. She should definitely be doing laps, daily miles in an Olympic-sized pool. Cycling miles is another alternative. She needs to give her knee a break and her A game a chance to shine. Can't do that with a combination of added weight and sub par footwork. All that post-AO nonsense about body-type and always having tits and ass was not very helpful....She had them in 2002, 2003, 2004 when she came back and early 2005. People aren't asking her to lose the T&A; they're asking her to lose the pounds and get back to being an athlete. Up to her to see the light and start following it....

adeegee
Sep 13th, 2007, 01:10 AM
japan

bandabou
Sep 13th, 2007, 09:22 AM
I think Pigam made a very good point..Justine is too good to be beaten just 'cause feels like beating her. Serena will have to start preparing better and coming up with gameplans.

LCS
Sep 13th, 2007, 09:31 AM
Sorry but I have to say this: Serena? :lol:

TSequoia01
Sep 13th, 2007, 11:26 AM
I think Pigam made a very good point..Justine is too good to be beaten just 'cause feels like beating her. Serena will have to start preparing better and coming up with gameplans.


Game plans are good and everyone should have them. But they are hard to execute when you cannot get the ball over he net and in between the lines due to poor fitness and form.

Rollo
Sep 13th, 2007, 03:02 PM
Game plans are good and everyone should have them. But they are hard to execute when you cannot get the ball over he net and in between the lines due to poor fitness and form.

I agree. If she gets in shape she's still the person to beat IMO-the exceptions being grass (edge to Venus) and clay (edge to Justine).

Williams Rulez
Sep 13th, 2007, 03:08 PM
Serena needs to lose a little weight and gain some motivation.

I think she had it so easy for so long that she thought she could still turn up unprepared and win, just like she did at the Aussie. She has discovered that she now needs more preparation to be match tough enough to beat Justine.

She has still been plagued by injuries this year, possibly caused by her lack of fitness. Now that she has lost to Justine 3 times in a row, I think she has the motivation to get fit again.

If she works on this between now and next January, we tennis fans will be in for a real treat. Just imagine, 3 active players with mutiple slams and with only a couple of victories seperating them. And next year is Olympics too!

This time next year we could easily see Serena on double digit slams with a Gold medal as well.

Of course we could just as easily see Justine or Venus in a similar position. How exciting could next year be!My sentiments exactly..