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Serenidad.
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:44 AM
I can't wait until the end of all their careers to compare!

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:45 AM
Well, Serena has the Grand Slam and Justine does not (as of now) have the career slam. So, Serena is still well in lead here. Nevertheless, congrats on Justine for the win.

borisyBACK
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:47 AM
Justine will pass Serena soon.

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:49 AM
Justine will pass Serena soon.

Let's not count the chicks before they hatch. Besides, even if Justine wins AO 2008, Serena still has a Grand Slam and Justine won't.

DefyingGravity
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:51 AM
Justine will win Wimbledon, so she and Serena's careers will be equally as important. Justine for being the dominant force and Serena for being a pioneering minority in an all white sport by being such a recognizable figure. Yes, I know Althea Gibson and Arthur Ashe were literally the trailblazers, but Serena and Venus could both start a whole generation. Martina was also special in the fact that she was the first player to win Grand Slams with a complete modern game (great all around and with good power for her time).

Thanx4nothin
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:53 AM
Justine will win Wimbledon, so she and Serena's careers will be equally as important. Justine for being the dominant force and Serena for being a pioneering minority in an all white sport by being such a recognizable figure. Yes, I know Althea Gibson and Arthur Ashe were literally the trailblazers, but Serena and Venus could both start a whole generation. Martina was also special in the fact that she was the first player to win Grand Slams with a complete modern game (great all around and with good power for her time).

:o You are brainless. Serena was more dominant than Justine ever was, I don't think people are suddenly going to say Serena's only importance was being a black woman in a white dominated sport.

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:53 AM
Justine will win Wimbledon, so she and Serena's careers will be equally as important. Justine for being the dominant force and Serena for being a pioneering minority in an all white sport by being such a recognizable figure. Yes, I know Althea Gibson and Arthur Ashe were literally the trailblazers, but Serena and Venus could both start a whole generation. Martina was also special in the fact that she was the first player to win Grand Slams with a complete modern game (great all around and with good power for her time).

Counting the chicks before they hatch, again? :o When will they learn? Justine can get injured, because she is playing so much. Anything can happen. I don't dare predict the future.

Havok
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:54 AM
Justine will pass Serena imo. Right now, I'd still put Hingis ahead of Venus even though she has one less singles GS to her name.

mm1147
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:57 AM
martina will never win grandslam again unless the top 10 seeds withdraw
oh well maybe not bcoz she can lose to a player rank 250 or maybe she should go back to juniors maybe she can get a chance

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:58 AM
Justine will pass Serena imo. Right now, I'd still put Hingis ahead of Venus even though she has one less singles GS to her name.

Adding the words IMO changes everything. Good for you. :) BTW, Martina has a bit more variety but less singles slams. She was a better doubles player with Anna though.

Serenidad.
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:59 AM
I don't know. I think it depends. Some people count doubles as well. If Serena wins 2 mixed doubles Grand Slams she will have All 4 Singles, Doubles, and Mixed. That is very very very distinct.

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:01 AM
I don't know. I think it depends. Some people count doubles as well. If Serena wins 2 mixed doubles Grand Slams she will have All 4 Singles, Doubles, and Mixed. That is very very very distinct.

Anyone even care about mixed doubles? :o

Forehand_Volley
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:01 AM
Henin definitely has the momentum.

borisyBACK
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:03 AM
If Justine played AO it could very easily be Justine (8), Serena (7) now.

Serenidad.
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:05 AM
If Justine played AO it could very easily be Justine (8), Serena (7) now.

Think back to US Open 2003 and Australian 2004. Serena was at the top then. If you want to make those statements, it could easily be Serena (9), Justine (6)

Matt01
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:23 AM
Well, Serena has the Grand Slam and Justine does not (as of now) have the career slam.

Unless I missed it in some parallel universe, Serena hasn't won the Grand Slam.

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:28 AM
Unless I missed it in some parallel universe, Serena hasn't won the Grand Slam.

Yes she has. According to ITF: a Grand Slam means winning the four majors consecutively. (Check wikipedia). Serena won FO 2002, Wimbledon 2002, USO 2002 and AO 2003, that's a Grand Slam. :)

Marcus1979
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:30 AM
Serena has a non-calender year Grand Slam ;)

Matt01
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:32 AM
Sorry, but in my book, winning the Grand Slam means winning all four majors in the same calendar year.

What Serena did was winning the Non-Calendar Year Grand Slam.

JStennis
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:32 AM
Serena has a non-calender year Grand Slam ;)

Well, ITF has one definition for Grand Slam, established in 1984: winning the four majors consecutively. So, the Serena Slam is a Grand Slam. :) Let's see if Justine can also achieve that.

rottweily
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:34 AM
I can't wait until the end of all their careers to compare!

Is that sarcastic? :devil:

Serena!
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:46 AM
Serena not only has a career grand slam, but she held them all at the same time, IMO justine will never do that.

supergrunt
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:48 AM
Serena please win more slams than Justine every year :tears:

goldenslam888
Sep 9th, 2007, 04:01 AM
justine will eventually win wimbledon. i think its a little tougher winning wimbledon because shes always in the final of the french open.

Callystarr
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:07 PM
I doubt Justine will ever win Wimbledon as long as Serena, Venus, and Maria are in the picture. Those girls are bred for the grass courts. Justine can get those girls on any other court but Grass..doubtful.

moby
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:19 PM
justine will eventually win wimbledon. i think its a little tougher winning wimbledon because shes always in the final of the french open.That really is the biggest problem IMO, but it could be alleviated if she were to avoid playing warm-ups between RG and Wimbledon.

Beny
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:23 PM
Be patient ;)

thrust
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:48 PM
Slams aren^t everything though, obviously, very important. Number of tournaments won, weeks at #1, YEC, #of years end at #1, Number of player of year awards and the Olympics Champion, are all factors that shoud contribute as to the greatness of a player. Considering this criteria, its pretty close among these four.

No Name Face
Sep 9th, 2007, 07:58 PM
Serena has the career grand slam, Justine does not. Justine has to win at least 10 to be greater than Serena at this point in time.

treufreund
Sep 9th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Thread originator, "Henin" has a first name you know ;) (Hint: It ain't "christine")

Serenidad.
Sep 9th, 2007, 10:26 PM
We'll see what happens in 2008. 2008 is going to be put up or shut up year.

sportywoman
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:02 PM
Justine consistency and dedication to tennis, even when she is away for illness or divorce and just come back to be competitive makes her prone to win more titles within the same period of time and therefore statistically more chances of winning slams where her consitency makes her go very far most of the time.

Justine younger age and healthy condition are also advantages.

Justine and Venus are top favorites in their respective field (clay and grass).
Justine, Venus and Serena are equally prone to get the USO but they have more competition there.

Justine and Serena have more chances to grab the Australian also.

The real advantage she possess is CONSISTENCY, alike the sisters. She is ALWAYS consistent and ready to compete at the highest level at each tourny she enters including slams. That's gives her an edge to reach more often the semi or final, hence more chance to win statistically. She just lack at times realism and energy to grab the last step and get it.

For all those, I think that in two years from now, she will pass Serena in terms of number of slams, because she will be ready at each slam she'll enter, because, she will get far more often in each slam...basically because she has a higher productive ratio, each time, year after year, accumulated titles in a steady pace. She will do it because she has the biggest efficiency ratio and because she keep on working everyday to be strong and more efficient.

DimaDinosaur
Sep 10th, 2007, 01:14 AM
Well, Serena has the Grand Slam and Justine does not (as of now) have the career slam. So, Serena is still well in lead here. Nevertheless, congrats on Justine for the win.

Well Justine has an Olympic gold medal in SINGLES and Serena doesn't. Although, Serena's gold medal in doubles ain't too shabby either.......heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy