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Mina Vagante
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:09 PM
there have been soooooooooo many threads and replies about serena not being grateful in defeat, justine being graceful in defeat. Orancene making excuses. Carlos coaching Justine!

am i the only one who doesnt really care! thats what makes tennis so fun and intersting.. these little things, why don't the media and the fans concentrate on the tennis?!?

goldenlox
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:15 PM
When you win, you don't want the media coming to you to tell you how you were insulted by the person you just beat. Or a relative.

The media wants you to say something back, so they have a headline to write about.

Just lose and move on. You're not the story anymore.

terjw
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:48 PM
there have been soooooooooo many threads and replies about serena not being grateful in defeat, justine being graceful in defeat. Orancene making excuses. Carlos coaching Justine!

am i the only one who doesnt really care! thats what makes tennis so fun and intersting.. these little things, why don't the media and the fans concentrate on the tennis?!?

It's called news. If nobody was interested - it wouldn't be reported. Actually in Serena's case - it wasn't that I cared so much. She always sulks. It was she was so grumpy she came up with that "lucky shots" comment :lol: and I just found it so funny. Of course I want it reported.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:50 PM
Honestly, I don't think people really care unless Venus and Serena are involved. I've seen countless interviews where players don't "give credit" to an opponent, and nothing is said.

Shane54
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:50 PM
there have been soooooooooo many threads and replies about serena not being grateful in defeat, justine being graceful in defeat. Orancene making excuses. Carlos coaching Justine!

am i the only one who doesnt really care! thats what makes tennis so fun and intersting.. these little things, why don't the media and the fans concentrate on the tennis?!?

You have a very good point and I will agree. But I have seen many times when the other player has been ungracious, and the Williams fans' jumped on those players like a hive of pissed off hornets......

floco
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:55 PM
there have been soooooooooo many threads and replies about serena not being grateful in defeat, justine being graceful in defeat. Orancene making excuses. Carlos coaching Justine!

am i the only one who doesnt really care! thats what makes tennis so fun and intersting.. these little things, why don't the media and the fans concentrate on the tennis?!?

Again, let us not label Justine as a perfect example of graceful in defeat... :o Now if you tell me Clijsters, Mauresmo, even Sharapova, yeah we can call them graceful in defeat on a regular basis.

Morrissey
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:56 PM
I personally don't care if an athlete is "nice" or not in the press. An athlete's job is NOT to pump up the competition or to give them confidence. I think the result speaks for itself. The reason why the media go after the Williams Sisters is because Venus and Serena ARE WOMEN. There are SO MANY MALE athletes that say horrible things in the press about opponents and they never get the same grief the Sisters get.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:57 PM
Honestly, I don't think people really care unless Venus and Serena are involved. I've seen countless interviews where players don't "give credit" to an opponent, and nothing is said.

I know, lots of players are graceless in defeat, but we just have to accept that Venus and Serena will get the brunt of it.

Morrissey
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:59 PM
And what about Justine Henin at the 2006 Australian Open women's finals against Mauresmo? The media were sure quick to forget that disgusting incident.

Nicolás89
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:01 PM
Honestly, I don't think people really care unless Venus and Serena are involved. I've seen countless interviews where players don't "give credit" to an opponent, and nothing is said.

im sure serena and venus are the only multiple slam winners who arent that gacious at defeat.:)

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:01 PM
Honestly, I don't think people really care unless Venus and Serena are involved. I've seen countless interviews where players don't "give credit" to an opponent, and nothing is said.
:worship::worship::worship:

Ain't that the truth.

HippityHop
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Honestly, I don't think people really care unless Venus and Serena are involved. I've seen countless interviews where players don't "give credit" to an opponent, and nothing is said.

Indeed. :worship:

Bijoux0021
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:27 PM
Lets be honest. People didn't care about "gracious in defeat" until the Williams sisters showed up on tour and started winning.

freeandlonely
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:34 PM
That's no fun. The interview was scary.

Lulu.
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:36 PM
Honestly, I don't think people really care unless Venus and Serena are involved. I've seen countless interviews where players don't "give credit" to an opponent, and nothing is said.

True that. :)

Nicolás89
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:41 PM
Lets be honest. People didn't care about "gracious in defeat" until the Williams sisters showed up on tour and started winning.

thats not true, i remember uso 97, rg 99 and aus 99 for example, and some other classics.
:wavey:

crucian77
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:02 PM
I posted in one of those many "gracious in defeat threads" how I noticed this issue really being discussed when everyone on this board and in the media was praising Sharapova for how gracious she was in defeat ... unlike others;)

The reason I think it's discussed so much with the Williams is because it has always annoyed the media that the sisters are not just happy and grateful to be in the tennis world and they don't strive for acceptance. It annoys the media that the Williams believe they are better than their competition. The media has always wanted them to be meek and humble, and if they should win, they should have an 'aww shucks I'm just happy to be here' attitude.

Another reason is that commentators and writers know that, even after ten years of Serena and Venus saying more or less the same things over and over again, they can still get paid by talking and writing about what the Williams sisters say and think.

crucian77
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:04 PM
It's called manners. Some people have it. Others don't.

True enough

But the question is

Why do you care?

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:05 PM
To me it's important because it shows your true colours

goldenslam888
Sep 8th, 2007, 09:50 PM
when an athlete can have a tough loss yet still act with dignity and class is an indicator of whats in there heart. and how well an athlete can handle defeat is also an indicator of their ability to comeback from that loss.

Jean-Pierre.
Sep 8th, 2007, 11:20 PM
You would care too if you weren't a Williams fan. :lol:

thrust
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:05 AM
Its called SPORTSMANSHIP, which has been a tradition in Tennis for many years. It is also important to be gracious in victory.

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:14 AM
Honestly, I don't think people really care unless Venus and Serena are involved. I've seen countless interviews where players don't "give credit" to an opponent, and nothing is said.

Going by GM these last 2 days, and even journalists questions i have to agree.

Federer has been bitchy and arrogant tonnes, especially about Djokovic (INSIGNIFICANT) and Nadal (game has not improved) and i don't remember anyone writing articles and calling him a sore loser.

meyerpl
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:36 AM
Honestly, I don't think people really care unless Venus and Serena are involved. I've seen countless interviews where players don't "give credit" to an opponent, and nothing is said.
Not true. It's not all about giving credit either. It might be a comfortable falsehood to rest your hat on following Serena's recent clumsy remarks, if you're a Serena fan, but it isn't true. There's so much more good about Serena than bad that her childish behavior didn't change my opinion of her but I'd prefer that she not behave so poorly. I think nearly any honest Serena fan would say the same thing.

People care because people become fans of certain players, not just their game. People like to be able to admire their favorite athletes, musicians, authors, actors etc. not just for their skill, but for their character as well. People admire Roger Federer's game but respect his deportment and the good things he does off the court. A player's manner of conduct is important to most fans.