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austennis
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:38 PM
Turns out Venus Williams wasn't the only Williams whose U.S. Open was hampered by health issues.

Her sister, Serena, was bothered by pain in her knee and left town a day before Venus' semifinal loss to Justine Henin.

The Williams' mother and coach, Oracene Price, confirmed Serena's knee problem and also said for the first time that Venus has been taking medicine for anemia since shortly after winning Wimbledon in July.

When was the last time both were healthy?

``I guess when they first started,'' Price said.



just found this on http://http://tennis.com/news/news.aspx?id=104152 sorry if already posted.. but not good news

Demska
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:40 PM
:yawn:

itzhak
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:41 PM
sorry but I have no tears in my eyes....

cellophane
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:42 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/08/sports/08womens-600.jpg

:o

perseus2006
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:44 PM
Pathetic. The whole family continues to soil itself.

scoobsuk
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:46 PM
Irrelevant. If you step onto the match court, you are good to go. If you aren't, then don't play. This applies to all players.

We don't need a daily medical update - it's their responsibility to be fit to play the tournaments they want to do well in. If they can't or won't do that, too bad.

Martian KC
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Have oracene and richard traded places this tournament?

hacberto
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:53 PM
I want them just to be ok
They should only play 6 tournaments a year
I mean Asutralian Open, Miami, French Open, Wimbledon a us open series tournamnet and then the Us Open and that's that.

shap_half
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:55 PM
here's a tiny violin

hacberto
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:56 PM
here's a tiny violin

Ok. If that's you in the avatar I don't know, you look stupid

ce
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:57 PM
:rolleyes:

schorsch
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:59 PM
I want them just to be ok
They should only play 6 tournaments a year
I mean Asutralian Open, Miami, French Open, Wimbledon a us open series tournamnet and then the Us Open and that's that.

uhm, they actually arent "allowed" to do that.

goldenlox
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:59 PM
It's amazing how dumb this whole family is. I remember when Russia won the Fed Cup semis and Venus told the media she never heard of Vesnina.

It's a whole family of mean spirited idiots who won't let the victors enjoy their victories, by insulting them after getting their asses kicked.

Craigy
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:03 PM
Well Serena probably didn't have knee pain, she does a lot of the time. But still, Justine was better.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:05 PM
It's amazing how dumb this whole family is. I remember when Russia won the Fed Cup semis and Venus told the media she never heard of Vesnina.

It's a whole family of mean spirited idiots who won't let the victors enjoy their victories, by insulting them after getting their asses kicked.

The fact that you have the audacity to call ANYONE "dumb" is truly astounding :lol:

Slutiana
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:05 PM
venus lost fair and square but that is defenatly true. She said at wimbledon that after the jankovic match she went to see a doctor and she had a blood test. The results showed her she was anemic and that was why she was so thin at FO and wimbly. Thats also probably why in venus' losing interview she said she wasn't even 100% at wimbly :shrug:

shap_half
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:07 PM
Ok. If that's you in the avatar I don't know, you look stupid

:shrug: and your point is?

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:08 PM
Irrelevant. If you step onto the match court, you are good to go. If you aren't, then don't play. This applies to all players.

We don't need a daily medical update - it's their responsibility to be fit to play the tournaments they want to do well in. If they can't or won't do that, too bad.

I agree, it is irrelevant. Venus having anemia is old news too, didn't she have it after the FO? Her problem was form dipping at the wrong time anyway, not illness.

Serena will always have knee problems, her problem has been form and lack of matchplay for a while now also. None of htis is really news or important, they're out let's move on people.

We will never know what goes on in the Williams family household, I just pray both will recover from these minor setbacks and be able to play in the fall.

Apoleb
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:11 PM
I would have taken those claims more seriously if the standard of play in both match wasn't so high, especially in the first set of both matches.

Serena having knee problems and "hurting like a mad dog" but still bending her knees enough on the serve to hit 124 mph ones and crouching like I rarely seen her while waiting for Justine's serve. :haha: Yeah, right.

It's really pathetic and sad but not unexpected. They just can't take that there's one player who was able to soundly and comprehensively beat the 2 Williamses.

treufreund
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:17 PM
Honestly It has gone past the point of maddening to the point of just being pathetic and classless. Plan A: intimidate and chest thump, roar, huff and puff. Plan B: accuse of cheating/coaching/play the I will avenge my sister's loss card. plan c: give no credit to my opponent, claim injury, etc.

Revolting.

Darop.
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:18 PM
:yawn: Getting old.

Conor
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:18 PM
If they were injured then why the hell were they playing??? :o Justine is too good for the both of them right now... just get over it...

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:20 PM
I would have taken those claims more seriously if the standard of play in both match wasn't so high, especially in the first set of both matches.

Serena having knee problems and "hurting like a mad dog" but still bending her knees enough on the serve to hit 124 mph ones and crouching like I rarely seen her while waiting for Justine's serve. :haha: Yeah, right.

It's really pathetic and sad but not unexpected. They just can't take that there's one player who was able to soundly and comprehensively beat the 2 Williamses.

You don't know the pain was Serena was in, assuming the claims are correct. They haven't been substansiated by Serena herself, but it's rather of presumptious of you to say Serena CAN'T have been hurting like a "mad dog." Wow, I thought you were a fair poster, but this comment has really lowered my estimation of you.

Also I don't know what match you were watching, but Serena was sluggish and wasn't crouching down for half balls she should have been. I do agree the quality was quite high in the first set of both matches, though hardly Sererna at her athletic best despite what some people would like to beleive. Clearly the sisters were healthy enough to play and both could easily have won this US Open. Sadly for them, Justine was too strong on the day.

Craigy
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:21 PM
Serena didn't say she was injured. So there's no need to be throwing more abuse at her. :yawn:

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:21 PM
If they were injured then why the hell were they playing??? :o Justine is too good for the both of them right now... just get over it...

What I don't get is why people are saying Justine is too good for them right now...she has played Venus once in four years and it was a close match that could have gone either way. She's playing a lot better than Serena right now, but why are people lumping Venus in with her?

Fidello
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:23 PM
The whole family is :cuckoo:
God, when will they stop polluting this sport?

Darop.
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:25 PM
You don't know the pain was Serena was in, assuming the claims are correct. They haven't been substansiated by Serena herself, but it's rather of presumptious of you to say Serena CAN'T have been hurting like a "mad dog." Wow, I thought you were a fair poster, but this comment has really lowered my estimation of you.

Also I don't know what match you were watching, but Serena was sluggish and wasn't crouching down for half balls she should have been. I do agree the quality was quite high in the first set of both matches, though hardly Sererna at her athletic best despite what some people would like to beleive. Clearly the sisters were healthy enough to play and both could easily have won this US Open. Sadly for them, Justine was too strong on the day.

If you're injured, don't play.

If you're injured but decide to play, suck it up and stop your bitching. Or tell your mom to stop her bitching. :p

Craigy
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:25 PM
Compton crackheads, the whole family :cuckoo:
God, when will they stop polluting this sport?

:weirdo: Polluting the sport? Ok.

austennis
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:25 PM
i never doubted that venus lost fair and square.. i believe she played an amazing match but lost to worlds best..what i think is interesting to note though is the anemia u dont have 2 b medical expert to see that this and pro tennis career are not the best mix and i just hope shes ok... and as for Serena well i think we can all admit she not the best sport.. but also she got her fair share of injuries and this does make a difference

Marcus1979
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:26 PM
Venus herself never used excuses for her loss its just the family saying both are not 100% :shrug:

Viktymise
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Venus said she was struggling with anemia during and after Wimbledon, so this is hardly something the family has conjured up because she lost :o

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:31 PM
If you're injured, don't play.

If you're injured but decide to play, suck it up and stop your bitching. Or tell your mom to stop her bitching. :p

Re: the injuries, a bit simplistic, there are so many different types of things that can affect someone during a match, Justine had her own Im sure, like her breathing problems. But I agree Oracene needn't have said anything. ;)

harloo
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:33 PM
Venus said she was struggling with anemia during and after Wimbledon, so this is hardly something the family has conjured up because she lost :o

It doesn't make a difference at this point, regardless of what Venus struggled with the detractors will find a way to spin it out of control. Venus gave a very gracious interview and was dizzy during the match, it's no surprise she struggled. What I find odd is nobody said anything about Justine's faux injury time-out where she wen't into the locker room because she couldn't "breathe". :rolleyes::tape:

Apoleb
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:37 PM
You don't know the pain was Serena was in, assuming the claims are correct. They haven't been substansiated by Serena herself, but it's rather of presumptious of you to say Serena CAN'T have been hurting like a "mad dog." Wow, I thought you were a fair poster, but this comment has really lowered my estimation of you.

Also I don't know what match you were watching, but Serena was sluggish and wasn't crouching down for half balls she should have been. I do agree the quality was quite high in the first set of both matches, though hardly Sererna at her athletic best despite what some people would like to beleive. Clearly the sisters were healthy enough to play and both could easily have won this US Open. Sadly for them, Justine was too strong on the day.

Oh, I'm devastated that your estimation of me was lowered. :lol:

"Athletic best", no, and she hasn't been at her athletic best since forever. If anything, her movement was better in that match than for most of 2007, including the early US Open rounds. She might have been bothered by her knee, but to make it like as if she could barely move or bend them like Papa Williams did is a straight out lie, and utterly ridiculous. She was bending them enough to hit serves in the 120s, and crouching very low while waiting for Justine's serves; something she certainly wouldn't have done if she was "hurting like a mad dog." Oh I forgot the thumb and the calf (or was it a hamstring) that needed to be wrapped like a mummy. :haha:

As I said, this is hardly surprising. We all know by now that the Williamses will NEVER admit that someone could pose a serious threat for them, since they are always head and shoulders above everyone else. I hope they are just trying to give that impression rather than really being delusional, but anyway, there seems to be only one reasonable member in that family.

cellophane
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:39 PM
It doesn't make a difference at this point, regardless of what Venus struggled with the detractors will find a way to spin it out of control. Venus gave a very gracious interview and was dizzy during the match, it's no surprise she struggled. What I find odd is nobody said anything about Justine's faux injury time-out where she wen't into the locker room because she couldn't "breathe". :rolleyes::tape:

I don't think anyone has a problem with Venus... but Oracene...

Experimentee
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:49 PM
It wouldnt surprise if they were both injured. Everyone seems to be injured nowadays, even Justine was complaining about shoulder problems yet playing her best tennis at the same time.

harloo
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:49 PM
I don't think anyone has a problem with Venus... but Oracene...

Oracene is the most gracious tennis parent on the circuit. Many of the same people bitching and moaning in this thread have applauded Oracene for her respect of the sisters opponents. What I find disturbing is how all of the sudden if she says something they don't like she's just like Richard. :rolleyes::o

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:55 PM
Justine is injured as well.
She has some shoulder issues and considering the redness on her face and breathing issues seemed to have flared up during this muggy weather, I wouldn't be surprised if she has to go through testing for her dormant virus after this tournament is over.

Yet she was able to beat both Williams Sisters in this slam.

Their injuries cancel out each other.
Justine was the one who showed the most growth in the matches while Venus showed just like James Blake what controlled aggression doesn't look like.

She made too many mistakes in this match and it caught up to her.
I just don't get it. Venus has a beautiful slice backhand return in her arsenal.
She used it in practice for the semis.

Then it was never really used.
If you're nervous and you know you're opponent is nervous that shot is the best one to use because:
1) It makes a player hit another shot without having to worry as much if it's going over.
2) It makes a player get under a ball which is not easy when you're nervous, more than likely they will pull up on it.
3) You're effectively turning Justine's gameplan against you onto her. Giving her a bit of her own medicine.

Venus did hit some very amazing deep returns but she also hit some very nervous shots into the net.
I don't think those shots would have gone in the net if she would have just tried the slice especially on some important second serves where she could have chipped and charged.

vejh
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:59 PM
I think what Oracene said applies to most of the girls on tour, including Justine. I don't think there's anyone 100% on tour right now. Pova is still struggling with her right shoulder. Ju has chronic shoulder probs, breathing probs, chronic knee probs, etc. Kuzzy had an injury that kept her out for a while and it is perhaps still niggling. Hingis had a serious leg/back injury that is more than likely still lingering. Venus has anemic probs, but she is dealing with that incredibly well! (she still has so much endurance compared to what I am used to). She probably also has a trace of tendonitis in her wrist.

You get the point. At this stage, no player need to say "I am not 100%", because they aren't expected to be.

Piotr'ek
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:00 PM
:tape:

freeandlonely
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:08 PM
None of htis is really news or important, they're out let's move on people.

.

Yes. Oracene should move on. If not giving credit, at least not saying these.

cellophane
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:11 PM
Oracene is the most gracious tennis parent on the circuit. Many of the same people bitching and moaning in this thread have applauded Oracene for her respect of the sisters opponents. What I find disturbing is how all of the sudden if she says something they don't like she's just like Richard. :rolleyes::o

Well, then she shouldn't have said this... because it makes her look like someone looking for an excuse.

rod99
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:19 PM
the whole family is pathetic. everytime the parents open their mouths then a sock needs to be put in it.

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:24 PM
It doesn't make a difference at this point, regardless of what Venus struggled with the detractors will find a way to spin it out of control. Venus gave a very gracious interview and was dizzy during the match, it's no surprise she struggled. What I find odd is nobody said anything about Justine's faux injury time-out where she wen't into the locker room because she couldn't "breathe". :rolleyes::tape:

How hypocritical... There were like 4 threads about Justine's injury timeout. The fact that you would question its validity while stating Venus's as completely truthful is ridiculous.

Justine could have easily just taken a bathroom break after the first set. Why would she let everyone know she was having breathing issues if she wasn't?

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Oracene is the most gracious tennis parent on the circuit.

Hyperbole and totally your opinion. I'm not surprised.

tennisIlove09
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:29 PM
If it was that bad, they shouldnt have played.
I am a Williams fan, and even I think it's old that there is always something.
Almost every player has some kind of nagging injury.

To me, Venus played one heck of a semi final. Henin was just too good. I did notice that Venus' energy dropped a lot in the second set, but after such a tough first set, it was expected.

plantman
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:31 PM
here's a tiny violin

:lol: :lol: PRICEless........:lol: :lol:

Louis Cyphre
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:33 PM
:haha:
That is ridiculous :lol:
Nadal was injured and say "if I speak something about my body, later someone thinks about is an excuse. So I don't want to put any excuse. He play very good and he beat me." And that is the champion ;)

After both sisters lost ... they were injured :lol: And that is the update version of "I beat myself,not that my opponent was better that day" :o

Fingon
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:34 PM
Oracene is the most gracious tennis parent on the circuit. Many of the same people bitching and moaning in this thread have applauded Oracene for her respect of the sisters opponents. What I find disturbing is how all of the sudden if she says something they don't like she's just like Richard. :rolleyes::o

because for the most part, she has always been very gracious, like a balance to Richard.

If Richard says something, I just ignore it, you expect that from him and you are actually surprised if he doesn't put a foot on his mouth; I don't even know if he takes himself seriously.

But Oracene? if she goes on and on about the losses is because it has really gotten to her, you would have thought that she would learn to restrain herself.

And even if there is some true, coming up with so many excuses and rants after a loss will certanly look as that, even if it wasn't her intention. It's remarkable that she is always quit and yet she can't shut up now, it seems she a a gracious winner, but a very bad loser.

serenafan08
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:34 PM
Irrelevant. If you step onto the match court, you are good to go. If you aren't, then don't play. This applies to all players.

We don't need a daily medical update - it's their responsibility to be fit to play the tournaments they want to do well in. If they can't or won't do that, too bad.

I agree totally here. Serena and Venus are adults, so if they weren't 100%, they should have had the common sense not to go out there and play - period. They know better.

plantman
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:36 PM
It doesn't make a difference at this point, regardless of what Venus struggled with the detractors will find a way to spin it out of control. Venus gave a very gracious interview and was dizzy during the match, it's no surprise she struggled. What I find odd is nobody said anything about Justine's faux injury time-out where she wen't into the locker room because she couldn't "breathe". :rolleyes::tape:

Still bitter a day later!:lol:

Steff_forever
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:39 PM
Oracene is the most gracious tennis parent on the circuit. Many of the same people bitching and moaning in this thread have applauded Oracene for her respect of the sisters opponents. What I find disturbing is how all of the sudden if she says something they don't like she's just like Richard. :rolleyes::o
Venus and Oracene are both fine people. Serena tends to follow Richard's hubris sometimes.

I think Venus is clever enough to be quiet about a strong opponent before and after a match...

============================

Justine was the better player in both matches. She earned this outcome.

KClijsters
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:41 PM
If they were injured then why the hell were they playing??? :o Justine is too good for the both of them right now... just get over it...

exactly!

Justine was better in both matches ... so congrats justine :)

LeonHart
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:41 PM
I'm gonna go with what Justine said....

"I'm surprised...."

:lol:

junlee_vee
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:46 PM
It's amazing how dumb this whole family is. I remember when Russia won the Fed Cup semis and Venus told the media she never heard of Vesnina.

It's a whole family of mean spirited idiots who won't let the victors enjoy their victories, by insulting them after getting their asses kicked.

Kinda like how Venus insulted Justine after her loss? Riiiiight...take your foot out of your mouth, you're just as mean spirited and pathetic as you claim this family to be.

vejh
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:51 PM
If we should wait until players are 100%, we'd have no tournies.lol

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:16 PM
I don't doubt at all that Venus, Serena or for that matter Henin had genuine physical problems. We all know Serena's knees act up. Fact is they will in all likelihood continue to act up as long as she plays. We know too Venus has a genuine problem with anemia. Henin too has had many physical problems over the years I don't have any difficulty believing that she had breathing problems.

All three have struggled with various injuries and illnesses throughout their careers. We have seen, or at least those who have followed tennis a while have seen, all three develop from talented young up and coming future stars to established superstars to veteran players. All three are now in their mid twenties and fast moving towards their late twenties.

They all talk about not being 100 percent. Fact is, none of them will ever be 100% again. You simply can't return your body to the days early in your career where you had no physical problems and felt like you could play for four hours without getting tired. They are all getting older and they feel it.

When any of them talk about not being 100% they are not kidding us. They are not making excuses either. But what they are doing is kidding themselves. They are telling themselves "I can still be 100%. I can still be that player I was when I was 21, 22 years old. I can still have that fitness, that energy I had then". But the reality is they can't. Instead, if they are going to continue to win, they must all find ways to succeed without being 100%.

Fitness is possible in players late 20's and even their early 30's. But to achieve it a player needs to a) work harder than they ever have before and b) have good fortune on their side. In Henin's case I have no doubt she is prepared to work as hard as she has to get the best out of herself. She is clearly very driven. In Venus's case, I am less sure but on balance I think she too is prepared to work hard to sustain her career. But how much her problem with Anemia will prove to be in the future is hard to say.

And then there is Serena. Serena seems to have the most physical problems but she also seems to be the least prepared to tackle them. Instead she makes excuses about not being 100% as if somehow she still expects her body to magically operate at 100% and she is suprised when it doesn't.

Of the three players Serena seems by far the least perpared to take an honest look at where her game, her body and her career is. As she gets older the physical problems she has struggled with aren't going to disappear. They are going to get worse are harder to cope with as long as she continues to resist doing the work needed to be in the best physical shape she can be in. Of course her knee will continue to be more of a problem for her is she carries excess weight. That shouldn't take a brain surgeon to work out. It should also be obviously that she will be unable to play at her best level without playing more events.

She has a few times in the past gotten away with turning up at big events out of shape and out of practice. But in doing so, she seems to have convinced herself that she can do this all the time. She can't. What is more, as she gets older turning up at big events out of shape and out of practice will yield smaller and smaller dividends.

Justine, Venus and Serena are all now at significant crossroads in their careers. How they deal with the fact that their bodies aren't the efficient dependable machines that they were in their youths will determine how much they can get out of the remainder of their careers. But if they continue make excuses, not to us but to themselves about how unlucky they are that their bodies didn't operate as well as they expected them to, then their futures may not be as long as most people seem to expect.

brent-o
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:19 PM
Why does a Williams loss always have to have to word 'injury' in the conversation?

vejh
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:22 PM
Wow ChrisChorse, I like your post alot.lol. You are right, of course:)

AS long as they're not hobbled, it's all about how you can produce, and fight despite not being the 100% they'll most likely never be again.

PS. I think Venus anemia will take a few months to resolve, but it will. And I am glad for that.

Nicolás89
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:22 PM
Serena didn't say she was injured. So there's no need to be throwing more abuse at her. :yawn:

she is feeling violated?.

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:25 PM
just found this on http://http://tennis.com/news/news.aspx?id=104152 sorry if already posted.. but not good news
Old news. I think we've discussed this already. Venus also mentioned in a previous interview that she was anemic and having difficulty gaining weight. The problem started before she won Wimbledon so it's just something she's going to have to deal with.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:27 PM
Wow ChrisChorse, I like your post alot.lol. You are right, of course:)

AS long as they're not hobbled, it's all about how you can produce, and fight despite not being the 100% they'll most likely never be again.

PS. I think Venus anemia will take a few months to resolve, but it will. And I am glad for that.

Thanks. :) I quite like Venus so I hope she finds a way to resolve her anemia problem. That would be a help. I do think Venus does have a chance to extend her career a couple more years but it is going to require a lot of commitment.

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:29 PM
It's amazing how dumb this whole family is. I remember when Russia won the Fed Cup semis and Venus told the media she never heard of Vesnina.

It's a whole family of mean spirited idiots who won't let the victors enjoy their victories, by insulting them after getting their asses kicked.
Hope you're not an example of your family. :eek:

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:33 PM
You don't know the pain was Serena was in, assuming the claims are correct. They haven't been substansiated by Serena herself, but it's rather of presumptious of you to say Serena CAN'T have been hurting like a "mad dog." Wow, I thought you were a fair poster, but this comment has really lowered my estimation of you.

Also I don't know what match you were watching, but Serena was sluggish and wasn't crouching down for half balls she should have been. I do agree the quality was quite high in the first set of both matches, though hardly Sererna at her athletic best despite what some people would like to beleive. Clearly the sisters were healthy enough to play and both could easily have won this US Open. Sadly for them, Justine was too strong on the day.
Apelob started off as a decent and fair poster but his dislike for the Williams sisters has shown his true colors. :sad:

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:35 PM
Venus herself never used excuses for her loss its just the family saying both are not 100% :shrug:
Marcus. you know anything the Williams family says is held to different standards than anyone else for some reason. :shrug:

goldenlox
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:36 PM
Hope you're not an example of your family. :eek:I'm speaking like a Williams family member. Arrogant and disrespectful.

Calypso
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:40 PM
I love the Williamses and they are telling the truth that Vee and Rena
have been injured a lot.

However, many people will see Oracene's comments as an attempt to
take away from the Henin's joy.

Maybe they should not answer any questions regarding injuries, health etc?,
knowing how the media is waiting to pounce and portray them as sore losers.

?I'm not used to Oracene talking so much. With Richard, it is almost expected.

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:42 PM
I don't doubt at all that Venus, Serena or for that matter Henin had genuine physical problems. We all know Serena's knees act up. Fact is they will in all likelihood continue to act up as long as she plays. We know too Venus has a genuine problem with anemia. Henin too has had many physical problems over the years I don't have any difficulty believing that she had breathing problems.

All three have struggled with various injuries and illnesses throughout their careers. We have seen, or at least those who have followed tennis a while have seen, all three develop from talented young up and coming future stars to established superstars to veteran players. All three are now in their mid twenties and fast moving towards their late twenties.

They all talk about not being 100 percent. Fact is, none of them will ever be 100% again. You simply can't return your body to the days early in your career where you had no physical problems and felt like you could play for four hours without getting tired. They are all getting older and they feel it.

When any of them talk about not being 100% they are not kidding us. They are not making excuses either. But what they are doing is kidding themselves. They are telling themselves "I can still be 100%. I can still be that player I was when I was 21, 22 years old. I can still have that fitness, that energy I had then". But the reality is they can't. Instead, if they are going to continue to win, they must all find ways to succeed without being 100%.

Fitness is possible in players late 20's and even their early 30's. But to achieve it a player needs to a) work harder than they ever have before and b) have good fortune on their side. In Henin's case I have no doubt she is prepared to work as hard as she has to get the best out of herself. She is clearly very driven. In Venus's case, I am less sure but on balance I think she too is prepared to work hard to sustain her career. But how much her problem with Anemia will prove to be in the future is hard to say.

And then there is Serena. Serena seems to have the most physical problems but she also seems to be the least prepared to tackle them. Instead she makes excuses about not being 100% as if somehow she still expects her body to magically operate at 100% and she is suprised when it doesn't.

Of the three players Serena seems by far the least perpared to take an honest look at where her game, her body and her career is. As she gets older the physical problems she has struggled with aren't going to disappear. They are going to get worse are harder to cope with as long as she continues to resist doing the work needed to be in the best physical shape she can be in. Of course her knee will continue to be more of a problem for her is she carries excess weight. That shouldn't take a brain surgeon to work out. It should also be obviously that she will be unable to play at her best level without playing more events.

She has a few times in the past gotten away with turning up at big events out of shape and out of practice. But in doing so, she seems to have convinced herself that she can do this all the time. She can't. What is more, as she gets older turning up at big events out of shape and out of practice will yield smaller and smaller dividends.

Justine, Venus and Serena are all now at significant crossroads in their careers. How they deal with the fact that their bodies aren't the efficient dependable machines that they were in their youths will determine how much they can get out of the remainder of their careers. But if they continue make excuses, not to us but to themselves about how unlucky they are that their bodies didn't operate as well as they expected them to, then their futures may not be as long as most people seem to expect.
:worship::worship::worship:

Apoorv
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:45 PM
Orcene :awww:

Its tough to take two losses in a row. :hug: Your girls will also have their day.

Mina Vagante
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:47 PM
Venus is the only classy one from the Williams family.

there all classy! Oracene is the best tennis mum around. shes the 1st to appluade an opponents shot. she has way more class than yuri or carlos for that matter

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:47 PM
Venus is the only classy one from the Williams family.
Being a Henin fan and speaking of class is a oxymoron if I've ever heard one. :lol:

supergrunt
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:48 PM
where have al of the Williams fans gone? Ok, I saw like 2, but the board is infested with haters now. :o

Si_Hi
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:48 PM
oh, guys.......get used to it.
the williams are the best, if they lost a match, that is because they didn't want to win it or they were injured.
how can someone beat the healthy williams sisters back to back? are you kidding me :devil:

Si_Hi
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:50 PM
but still, so bad that i lost 100 v-cash yesterday on venus....:(

homogenius
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:51 PM
Being a Henin fan and speaking of class is a oxymoron if I've ever heard one. :lol:

The fact that Henin is not the classier player out there (that AO's final was pathetic) is one thing but it doesn't deny the ridiculous behavior of Serena and her parents.

doni1212
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:52 PM
where have al of the Williams fans gone? Ok, I saw like 2, but the board is infested with haters now. :o

I'm here, :D

Renaissance
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:02 PM
Pathetic comments from Oracene.

She can do better.

Matt01
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:06 PM
Being a Henin fan and speaking of class is a oxymoron if I've ever heard one. :lol:

Pathetic.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:07 PM
It's amazing how dumb this whole family is. I remember when Russia won the Fed Cup semis and Venus told the media she never heard of Vesnina.

It's a whole family of mean spirited idiots who won't let the victors enjoy their victories, by insulting them after getting their asses kicked.

I think you're the mean spirited one, you have all the nasty things to say not them.

goldenlox
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:11 PM
I'm saying it the way Richard or Serena say it.
I remember defending Nadia in January, and she said nothing negative.
Williams trolls attack, and then can't take what they dish out.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:12 PM
I think everyone jumps to criticize the Williams family, however how do you know what question was posed to her before she made this comment?

.Andrew.
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:15 PM
Hope they will be OK for the Indoor Season :awww: :)

terjw
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:15 PM
I am surprised at Oracene. I always regarded her as the sane one in the family. As stated in several posts here - none of the players are 100% fit and saying they were injured perpetuates the "sulky bad losers" image the family has right now.

These quotes and the others from Richard and Serena are quite rightly widely reported and the family is quite rightly being portrayed in a poor light. If they don't like it - they should follow Venus's example this USO.

Oh - and the times to talk about their injuries is not after a loss but to give accurate updates when they will be planning and working to play in their next tournaments. They should do that and get fit to play at the next tournament they plan to and then (apart from a rare and really unexpected development) not withdraw from tournament at the last minute. That's when Oracene ar the players should talk about their injuries.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:16 PM
I'm saying it the way Richard or Serena say it.
I remember defending Nadia in January, and she said nothing negative.
Williams trolls attack, and then can't take what they dish out.

Oh please, the Williams sisters have taken so many personal attacks from the media, players, tennis fans and the like. If they dished out as much as they TOOK they'd have no time to even play tennis.

You personally have a lot of nerve to even criticize the sisters for making comments when all you do is say stupid hateful things about them. I've read your post for a while, and you lick your chops at the opportunity to say ANYTHING negative about them.

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:25 PM
I'm speaking like a Williams family member. Arrogant and disrespectful.
Oh, I get it. You learned your values from the Williams family. Like I said before, you need to check out your own family tree. :lol::lol::lol:

terjw
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:29 PM
I think everyone jumps to criticize the Williams family, however how do you know what question was posed to her before she made this comment?

True - I find it a bit out of character for Oracene. The trouble is there's simply so much bravado, accusations, lack of respect and excuses that's come from the family the last few days that everything adds up to the family being "sore losers" and the media has no alternative but to portray them in a bad light.

But yes - with Oracene I do think it was probably what she was asked rather than her setting out to make these comments as excuses.

Bijoux0021
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:29 PM
It wouldnt surprise if they were both injured. Everyone seems to be injured nowadays, even Justine was complaining about shoulder problems yet playing her best tennis at the same time.
Yeah, the commentators said Justine was complaining of a shoulder injury, yet her biggest serve in yesterday's match was 117mph. So how badly was her shoulder hurting to be able to serve this hard? In addition, she took a timeout and left the court for "breathing" problems. :confused:

goldenlox
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:31 PM
After the biggest win of Vesnina's life, Venus insulted her to the media after the match.

This is a WTA messageboard, and I'm going to give my opinion on bullshit like that.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:40 PM
After the biggest win of Vesnina's life, Venus insulted her to the media after the match.

This is a WTA messageboard, and I'm going to give my opinion on bullshit like that.

How did Venus insult her? By saying she had never heard of her? If it was the truth, what was Venus supposed to do? Lie and say she had heard of her :rolleyes:

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:40 PM
I am surprised at Oracene. I always regarded her as the sane one in the family. As stated in several posts here - none of the players are 100% fit and saying they were injured perpetuates the "sulky bad losers" image the family has right now.

These quotes and the others from Richard and Serena are quite rightly widely reported and the family is quite rightly being portrayed in a poor light. If they don't like it - they should follow Venus's example this USO.

Oh - and the times to talk about their injuries is not after a loss but to give accurate updates when they will be planning and working to play in their next tournaments. They should do that and get fit to play at the next tournament they plan to and then (apart from a rare and really unexpected development) not withdraw from tournament at the last minute. That's when Oracene ar the players should talk about their injuries.
Richard did talk about the injuries but Vee and Serena will never talk about them. They think that it would give their competitors an advantage. What I find interesting is all of a sudden the haters are talking about how wonderful and classy Venus is but that's only because it makes it easy to disregard her statements to continue the hate. If you look back, the same ones that are calling her classy right now have called her the same things they're calling the other family members.

Like Richard said, they can't win. When they were winning they were bad for the game and people dogged them, said they fixed matches, other players calling them names etc. When they stopped playing they were dogged for not being interested and that they owed the tennis establishment something, that they were washed up, etc. Now that they're back here comes the bullshit.

Now, you're saying that their family is insane except for Oracene. I'm so happy that the Williams family doesn't use this board of a barometer for their existence. Society as a whole have a lot of respect for the Williams family and all they do for and they could care less about the haters.

Lastly, when McEnroe, Nasty, Connors, Martina Hingis acted worse than anyway the sisters will ever act, they were loved by the same people that hate the sisters. Ummmh, wonder why?

Morrissey
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:45 PM
Why is Oracene saying this? What difference does it make? The Austalians have a saying "fit to play fit to go." If you are fit enough to go on the court NO EXCUSES. I am no fan of Justine but she defeated Venus and Serena in straight sets. Its the first time anybody has done this in a grand slam event in SIX YEARS. Oracene is not helping Venus and Serena by making these excuses about injuries.

Bijoux0021
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:46 PM
Oracene is the most gracious tennis parent on the circuit. Many of the same people bitching and moaning in this thread have applauded Oracene for her respect of the sisters opponents. What I find disturbing is how all of the sudden if she says something they don't like she's just like Richard. :rolleyes::o
EXACTLY! Typical of these haters. What they really want is for the sisters and their family to bow down on their knees and kiss their opponents' asses. Haters, lets get this straight! That's NEVER going to happen and that's what killing you the most. So you're going to have to keep on moaning, groaning and bitching for the rest of your miserable lives.

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:49 PM
The fact that Henin is not the classier player out there (that AO's final was pathetic) is one thing but it doesn't deny the ridiculous behavior of Serena and her parents.
What Serena said was wrong and I'm sure she realize it by now but Henin would never be crucified the way the Williams family is for every little thing they say or don't say. I've never heard anything about Oracene drinking or taking drugs but one hater starts the rumor and the rest of jumped on the ban wagon.

You're have thought that Justine lost instead of won. You'd think they be happy instead of worrying about what Oracene said about her daughters being injured. It's as though these haters are obsessed with the sisters family.

Fidello
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:50 PM
How did Venus insult her? By saying she had never heard of her? If it was the truth, what was Venus supposed to do? Lie and say she had heard of her :rolleyes:Amazing point of view. :cuckoo:

Bijoux0021
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:51 PM
Richard did talk about the injuries but Vee and Serena will never talk about them. They think that it would give their competitors an advantage. What I find interesting is all of a sudden the haters are talking about how wonderful and classy Venus is but that's only because it makes it easy to disregard her statements to continue the hate. If you look back, the same ones that are calling her classy right now have called her the same things they're calling the other family members.

Like Richard said, they can't win. When they were winning they were bad for the game and people dogged them, said they fixed matches, other players calling them names etc. When they stopped playing they were dogged for not being interested and that they owed the tennis establishment something, that they were washed up, etc. Now that they're back here comes the bullshit.

Now, you're saying that their family is insane except for Oracene. I'm so happy that the Williams family doesn't use this board of a barometer for their existence. Society as a whole have a lot of respect for the Williams family and all they do for and they could care less about the haters.

Lastly, when McEnroe, Nasty, Connors, Martina Hingis acted worse than anyway the sisters will ever act, they were loved by the same people that hate the sisters. Ummmh, wonder why?
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

AMEN!

Shane54
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:52 PM
Shane 54: Plays violin.......

goldenlox
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:52 PM
Amazing point of view. :cuckoo::lol: I know, it's comedy.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:52 PM
Amazing point of view. :cuckoo:

:lol:

Lulu.
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:01 PM
Serena why do you play when you are injured? :o

freeandlonely
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:07 PM
If there is not any factors involving in unfairness, there is nothing to say.
They should keep themselves fit.
Or we only need questions like who is best when she is at peak,
we don't need matches.
Also, consistency deserves some credit.

terjw
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:08 PM
Now, you're saying that their family is insane except for Oracene. I'm so happy that the Williams family doesn't use this board of a barometer for their existence. Society as a whole have a lot of respect for the Williams family and all they do for and they could care less about the haters.

mykarma - I'm not going to get into a never ending argument. You have your view. I have mine. But I owe it to you to clarify what I meant by that comment. I think that Oracene is the most reasonable in what she says. Richard comes out with a lot of over the top stuff I regard as insane. Venus and Serena have come out with wacky comments before (Venus not at the USO this year - 2005 she did though). No none of them as people are insane and I apologise for my wording.

TennisSTUD
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:12 PM
Of course they are both injured because they both got their asses handed to them. They hardly play tennis all year and they are constantly injured....hmmm ODD.

SharapovaFan16
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:27 PM
just one question. will a williams sister win the us open this year?

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:32 PM
just one question. will a williams sister win the us open this year?
Will Sharapova?

dwynn10
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:32 PM
And then there is Serena. Serena seems to have the most physical problems but she also seems to be the least prepared to tackle them. Instead she makes excuses about not being 100% as if somehow she still expects her body to magically operate at 100% and she is suprised when it doesn't...<snip>...She has a few times in the past gotten away with turning up at big events out of shape and out of practice. But in doing so, she seems to have convinced herself that she can do this all the time. She can't. What is more, as she gets older turning up at big events out of shape and out of practice will yield smaller and smaller dividends.

Exactly. Serena seems to think that because she won some championships without being prepared in the past, she's somehow exempt from keeping herself fit, practicing, and playing real matches. (Practice is never the same as actually playing real opponents, in terms of physical and mental preparation.) Well, she's mortal, just like anyone else on the tour, and not getting any younger. She doesn't get a pass. Injury excuses don't work anymore, because, guess what, everybody else has it and has to deal with it. The sooner she faces some hard truths about herself, the better off she will be, if she wanted to extend her career.

denijs
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:40 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/08/sports/08womens-600.jpg



ALLEZZ!!! :devil:

It's such a ridiculus statement that both sisters where injured :spit:
And what's more dramatic papa Williams was for sure also injured :tape: :haha:

sharapovarulz1
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:41 PM
Hmmmmm!

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Will Sharapova?

Exactly, he's been spewing from the mouth ever since Maria was sent packing a week ago.

Emina.
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:46 PM
this thread is not about Sharapova.stop mentioning her name here.thanks!

Svetlana.
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:49 PM
If W.systers are ill or even injured they should stay home!!! If some players are not feeling well, they should stay home and take care of themselves. If they are willing to take a chance and fight for the title, then none of the excuses is really matter - they are just lost to a better player that day.

SV_Fan
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:53 PM
THey are not using excuses hthey are just saying they were not at 100 percent. Serena has SWELLING in the knee. OKay and Merlene Ottey of Jamaica is anemic to too

Svetlana.
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:56 PM
THey are not using excuses hthey are just saying they were not at 100 percent. Serena has SWELLING in the knee. OKay and Merlene Ottey of Jamaica is anemic to too

Can you name at least one female player that's is 100%? ;)

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:07 PM
If you look back, the same ones that are calling her classy right now have called her the same things they're calling the other family members.

Like Richard said, they can't win. When they were winning they were bad for the game and people dogged them, said they fixed matches, other players calling them names etc. When they stopped playing they were dogged for not being interested and that they owed the tennis establishment something, that they were washed up, etc. Now that they're back here comes the bullshit.

Now, you're saying that their family is insane except for Oracene. I'm so happy that the Williams family doesn't use this board of a barometer for their existence. Society as a whole have a lot of respect for the Williams family and all they do for and they could care less about the haters.

Lastly, when McEnroe, Nasty, Connors, Martina Hingis acted worse than anyway the sisters will ever act, they were loved by the same people that hate the sisters. Ummmh, wonder why?

Because what she did at some times weren't classy. :lol: DUH.
When you act it, you get it back.

Venus in the last few years has been rooted on by the fans in America more than any other American women player.
And she has mentioned it at this slam and in previous years before.

This is a different player than earlier in her career who let Daddy do much of the talking for her, who would not give credit to an opponent even whether she won or lost.
She has shown a bit of humility and modesty and the American tennis public appreciates that and appreciates her.

I think what you forgot to mention about the players that you've considering to be mean spirited is that when they have played their best and LOST, they gave credit to their opponents.

When McEnroe gave his all against Borg, he had to just say too good when he lost.
When Connors got beaten by Ashe in 1975 at Wimbledon, he did the same.

When Myskina lost in the olympics in a very tough semifinals...
When Martina Hingis lost to Capriati the second time in an Australian open final...

If you want to ignore tendencies than fine but don't think the Williams sisters should not be criticize.
They're not innocent in all this and neither are the people you've mentioned.

kadirelf
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:08 PM
no problem
serena next year won roland garros and wimbledon
venus won aus open and us open
come on girlsssssssssssssssssssss

DemWilliamsGulls
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:20 PM
What I don't get is why people are saying Justine is too good for them right now...she has played Venus once in four years and it was a close match that could have gone either way. She's playing a lot better than Serena right now, but why are people lumping Venus in with her?

Well you know how it is with THEM *justine fans* they say justine is the #1 player unstoppable player..then they will damn near shit in their pants when they find out she's gotta play a Williams Sister because they fear she will loose...THEN when she barely wins or struggle to beat them...they act as if she is the Jesus-ette of Tennis...lol...dont worry...when Venus and Serena plays the tennis WE KNOW they capable of....they will be put back in their place..;) TRUST ME..justine is a respected TEMPORARY #1 and they know that too.

homoeroticwar
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:23 PM
Venus needs to get away from these people.

Forehand_Volley
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:30 PM
I've said for a long while that the "injury excuse" no longer applies in women's professional tennis when so many of the top players have chronic injuries. After their 4th round matches both Venus and Serena declared their health, being fit and ready. They lose and suddenly they've been cheated and had played with many injuries.

I don't buy it. I'm shocked Oracene continues to wallow in this mess.

Forehand_Volley
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:32 PM
TRUST ME..justine is a respected TEMPORARY #1 and they know that too.

Weeks at Number One:

J. Henin 81
S. Williams 57
V. Williams 11

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:37 PM
Well you know how it is with THEM *justine fans* they say justine is the #1 player unstoppable player..then they will damn near shit in their pants when they find out she's gotta play a Williams Sister because they fear she will loose...THEN when she barely wins or struggle to beat them...they act as if she is the Jesus-ette of Tennis...lol...dont worry...when Venus and Serena plays the tennis WE KNOW they capable of....they will be put back in their place..;) TRUST ME..justine is a respected TEMPORARY #1 and they know that too.

That's interesting.
Since Venus and Serena have been a factor on tour, Hingis has accumilated 209 "temporary weeks" at number one.
Lindsay Davenport has accumilated 98 weeks at number one.
Jennifer Capriati 17...
Kim Clijsters 19...
Amelie Mauresmo 39...
Maria Sharapova 14...
Justine Henin 81...

Considering Henin will keep the number one ranking until she stops defending Roland Garros, realistically she could hold on to the ranking until 2010.
How's that for "temporary". :wavey:

Uranus
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:50 PM
So annoying and pathetic to use such excuses when losing to your toughest opponent. :yawn:

You can bad rep me all you want, Williams fans, but this is the sad truth.

Europe rocks
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:57 PM
Maybe they should release a statement when they are healthy for a change :o

clementine
Sep 8th, 2007, 09:14 PM
Williams family making excuses, what else is new. :zzz: Funny how these mysterious injuries never seems to affect their play when they win.

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Because what she did at some times weren't classy. :lol: DUH.
When you act it, you get it back.

Venus in the last few years has been rooted on by the fans in America more than any other American women player.
And she has mentioned it at this slam and in previous years before.

This is a different player than earlier in her career who let Daddy do much of the talking for her, who would not give credit to an opponent even whether she won or lost.
She has shown a bit of humility and modesty and the American tennis public appreciates that and appreciates her.

I think what you forgot to mention about the players that you've considering to be mean spirited is that when they have played their best and LOST, they gave credit to their opponents.

When McEnroe gave his all against Borg, he had to just say too good when he lost.
When Connors got beaten by Ashe in 1975 at Wimbledon, he did the same.

When Myskina lost in the olympics in a very tough semifinals...
When Martina Hingis lost to Capriati the second time in an Australian open final...

If you want to ignore tendencies than fine but don't think the Williams sisters should not be criticize.
They're not innocent in all this and neither are the people you've mentioned.
I didn't read you complete post but from what I've read, you seem to have the impression that I care whether players compliment there opponents after a win or a lost. Guess what, I don't.

Nicolás89
Sep 8th, 2007, 10:25 PM
I didn't read you complete post but from what I've read, you seem to have the impression that I care whether players compliment there opponents after a win or a lost. Guess what, I don't.

of course, you are a williams fan ;)

Jean-Pierre.
Sep 8th, 2007, 10:25 PM
The only injury they both have is the bruise on their asses from Henin's shoe.

matty
Sep 8th, 2007, 10:30 PM
Venus gave a fine interview. Did Serena say her knee was hurting or was it her mother? Justine is no saint, either.

mykarma
Sep 8th, 2007, 10:32 PM
of course, you are a williams fan ;)
Perhaps you right, I don't know. I played softball on a championship team for many years and made no difference to me whether my competitors complimented me or not. I just don't see why it's so important and neither do some others. Like someone said earlier, it's only a problem if Vee and Serena don't interview the way you haters think they should. One would think that after 10 years that you'd realize that they don't give a damn what you think about them and neither do I.

Be happy Justine won and played a great game as Venus stated many times during her interview. :shrug:

Matt01
Sep 8th, 2007, 10:43 PM
Perhaps you right, I don't know. I played softball on a championship team for many years and made no difference to me whether my competitors complimented me or not.

I agree with you to some extent. I don't think it is objectionable when the loser doesn't compliment the winner after a match, for example I had no problem when Pierce after her AO win didn't mention Sanchez-Vicario in her speech. However, I object when the loser of a tennis match says afterwards that the winner hit "lots of lucky shots" (that's just an example ;) ) or something like that. That would be disrespectful towards the opponent.

hablo
Sep 8th, 2007, 11:26 PM
I think I had read about Venus' anemia before.
Nothing new here.

Callystarr
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:03 AM
Why are some of you giving grief to the family as a whole. Venus said squarely that Justine played well. If there is anyone that NEVER gives excuses for her play its Venus. So what she said she never knew who Vesnina was, could it be that someone who plays less than anyone on tour along with her sister not know someone. Give it a break. Venus serving was the cause of her losing to Justine.

Its clear as day, I haven't seen Venus get such a low percentage of first serves in a long time. There was a point at 4-3 in the 2nd set she was serving a mere 15%. Hopefully it won't dip her confidence, because although Justine beat her if there is someone who can beat her if she plays well its Venus. Venus hung with Justine rather well in their ground strokes, but Venus serving was pathetic and she knew and she admit she lost, and Justine played well.

It was a great 2 set match, the best of the year IMO. I hope to see them soon. Hopefully Venus will do the WTA and Australian and get her ranking up more, good luck to the sisters and hope they get healthy.

Venus had a very successful competition, she beat 2 more top 10 players. This has been Venus most successful season since 2003 and I am proud of the way she has played. and welcome back to the top 10.

dwynn10
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:22 AM
Perhaps you right, I don't know. I played softball on a championship team for many years and made no difference to me whether my competitors complimented me or not. I just don't see why it's so important and neither do some others. Like someone said earlier, it's only a problem if Vee and Serena don't interview the way you haters think they should. One would think that after 10 years that you'd realize that they don't give a damn what you think about them and neither do I...

Well, unlike you, some of us think manners and sportsmanship matter in a civilized society. Noone said the loser has to compliment the winner, but belittling your opponent' win with nonsense remarks and excusing your loss with trumped up injuries carry the telltale sign of a sore loser.

Also, unlike you, some of us are not robot fans with tunnel vision, who think our sports idols can do no wrong. Telling us that you or your venerated idols don't give a damn what we think is a weak and laughable argument. You clearly do, because you seem to be spending a lot of time trying to rebut critical posts about your heroes. :rolleyes:

sky20748
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:38 AM
to know something about anemia.you can die from that.i know because i have it and didnt know and it landed me in the hospital until i found out what was going on.it causes your blood levels to drop and your levels can drop so quickly until you can go into shock.similiar to a diabetic.once you get placed on medicine you have to see which ones work and then you have to take iron pills which in itself is horrible.i say good try vee yes justine won.but if anemia is what vee suffers from i know first hand its landed me in the hospital 4 times and i am a very fit woman.i am tall 6'2 and female and fit.but anemia does sap your strength and your blood levels can drop dramatically.so no matter who you are if you suffer from anemia dont take it for granted.be kept up with all information.i remember when i had surgery and i dont take blood either,i started bleeding and i went into shock because of my anemia and they couldnt even complete the whole surgery.but again anemia is not laughing matter and for those who think it is the boo on you.but vee take it easy.i know in that aspect what your going thru.

canoe.
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:53 AM
The WTA is made up of hypochondriacs!

Marshmallow
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:14 AM
Venus was very gracious, and her Anemia has been mentioned before. Why is she being dragged down - really because of what Serena DIDN'T say. I don't see any issue with what Oracene said, she is telling the situation as it is, but no doubt she too gave credit to Henin.

stickwitju(ju)
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:18 AM
The Williams' mother and coach, Oracene Price, confirmed Serena's knee problem and also said for the first time that Venus has been taking medicine for anemia since shortly after winning Wimbledon in July.

When was the last time both were healthy?

``I guess when they first started,'' Price said.

Str8 from Mom Williams yet certain Serena and Venus fans think they know them better than their own mother.

:rocker:

stickwitju(ju)
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:19 AM
The WTA is made up of hypochondriacs!

Psychosomatics indeed.

:rocker2:

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:13 PM
TRUST ME..justine is a respected TEMPORARY #1.

Sorry for stating the obvious here but everyone who gets to number 1 is a temporary #1. Everything in tennis is temporary. Life moves very fast. In 3 or 4 years Justine and the Williams sisters will all be retired or at best substantially past their prime veterans hanging on in the unlikely hope that they can produce one more big result in a major tournament.

xan
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:17 PM
I love the Williamses and they are telling the truth that Vee and Rena
have been injured a lot.

However, many people will see Oracene's comments as an attempt to
take away from the Henin's joy.

Maybe they should not answer any questions regarding injuries, health etc?,
knowing how the media is waiting to pounce and portray them as sore losers.

?I'm not used to Oracene talking so much. With Richard, it is almost expected.

Ironic that it has been largely fans of the Williamses who have been accusing Maria of faking her injury all this year.... :rolleyes:

What comes around...

vettipooh
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:10 PM
It's amazing how dumb this whole family is. I remember when Russia won the Fed Cup semis and Venus told the media she never heard of Vesnina.

It's a whole family of mean spirited idiots who won't let the victors enjoy their victories, by insulting them after getting their asses kicked.

How dare you insult the Williams family like that?:rolleyes: I guess cowards like you find it easy to sit behind their computers in Queens, and spew hate. Well here's one for the road...Your mama is a dumb mean spirited idiot who gave birth to your retarded ass.:rolleyes: Btw your girl Sveta got her ass kicked royally by justine...I don't see you saying much....but then again we all know you are not a Justine fan . You just came out to hate because she beat both sisters...but that's your pleasure principle.:rolleyes:

Pureracket
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:18 PM
It's amazing that Williams fans continue to post reports of injuries when ya'll know good and well that you're going to get no sympathy from posters on this board.

Goldenlox has called them dumb, Demska yawns, and shap_half offers a tiny violin. That's always been the overwhelming response from posters regarding the Williams.

Williams fans, you have to be as strong as the Sisters, themselves, are.

goldenlox
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:18 PM
The Williams family have no problems insulting people. Belittiling their wins.
I'm doing what they do.
What other tennis player has a parent insulting other players to the media.

It's time to comment on these dopes.

Pureracket
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:20 PM
The Williams family have no problems insulting people. Belittiling their wins.
I'm doing what they do.
What other tennis player has a parent insulting other players to the media.

It's time to comment on these dopes.Now you're talking out of your ass.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

goldenlox
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:21 PM
Thank you. I'm like Richard Williams now :lol:

Pureracket
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:26 PM
Thank you. I'm like Richard Williams now :lol:Richard has mediocre, underachievers in his signature too?:confused:

Ceri
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:39 PM
Irrelevant. If you step onto the match court, you are good to go. If you aren't, then don't play. This applies to all players.

We don't need a daily medical update - it's their responsibility to be fit to play the tournaments they want to do well in. If they can't or won't do that, too bad.

Exactly. well said. :)

junlee_vee
Sep 10th, 2007, 01:38 PM
After the biggest win of Vesnina's life, Venus insulted her to the media after the match.

This is a WTA messageboard, and I'm going to give my opinion on bullshit like that.

You mean you still can't get over it? That happened, what...months ago?

And it wasn't even insulting.

Get over it!:lol:

homogenius
Sep 10th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Psychosomatics indeed.

:rocker2:

A lot of players are at one point or another (ask to Henin), the ultimate example being Coria at FO.

homogenius
Sep 10th, 2007, 02:30 PM
It's amazing that Williams fans continue to post reports of injuries when ya'll know good and well that you're going to get no sympathy from posters on this board.

Goldenlox has called them dumb, Demska yawns, and shap_half offers a tiny violin. That's always been the overwhelming response from posters regarding the Williams.

Williams fans, you have to be as strong as the Sisters, themselves, are.

If they were as strong as you think, maybe they'd be able to take their losses like champs and stop giving excuses right and left.

Donny
Sep 10th, 2007, 03:00 PM
The Williams family have no problems insulting people. Belittiling their wins.
I'm doing what they do.
What other tennis player has a parent insulting other players to the media.

It's time to comment on these dopes.

So wait... the sisters continuously belittling opponents and insulting people is sooooo morally repugnant.... you're going to do the same exact thing?

I'm sorry, but that sounds incredibly stupid to me.