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iPatty
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Will she? Barring injuries, she should play the Australian Open, where she has always done well. She's basically a lock for the French. I think she's the second best grass-courter, so if Venus loses early she could win Wimbledon. And she's obviously comfortable in New York.

I think she'll have 9 slams at the end of 2008 while Serena will still have 8.

Discuss.

JuJupova
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:18 PM
for sure.

Serena_thebest
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:24 PM
I don't think Serena will allow her to, but maybe... who knows

austennis
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:24 PM
i think she is guranteed to win at least one by this time next year where as Serena is long shot

iPatty
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:27 PM
i think she is guranteed to win at least one by this time next year where as Serena is long shot

Good point. Serena could very well win one next year, but she could also very well lose in all of them. She's definitely not the slam-winning machine she once was.

Tennisaddict
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Tough to say. Things can change so soon in tennis. I think she will tonight and definitely at RG 2008 barring injury, but Serena could very well win a slam as well next year. I don't think Justine will pass Serena but will match her slam count.

Serval
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:45 PM
I think they'll have the same number (9).

lizchris
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:56 PM
No.

Serena is a threat at every Grand Slam; Justine is only a threat at the French Open and the US Open.

David55
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:02 PM
No.

Serena is a threat at every Grand Slam; Justine is only a threat at the French Open and the US Open.

Both Serena and Justine are threats at all the slams. I don't know how you can say Justine is not a threat at the AO and Wimbledon? The last 3 times she's played AO it was SF, W, F. And Wimbledon she's making the finals and SF's. How is that not "a threat"?

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:09 PM
Deja Vu. People were saying this last year. As it is, Justine will have spent most of the year at number one, had the best season of her career, and still end up one slam short of Serena's count.

Who on earth said Serena is a long shot win a slam next year? :weirdo: She has a great shot at all four, Henin of course is the clear favourite for the French, far away as it is, and Serena and Venus are always warm favourites at Wimbledon :)

Anything can happen, and I believe it will. Last year people were saying that Serena is done, she can't dominate the top girls anymore. Well after a pretty solid year we've already had to ammend that to she can't beat Justine anymore, what excuse will we have next year. Oh yes, none. I predict Serena will have a great year and win a couple of slams, beating Justine in one perhaps if they meet in the draw.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:12 PM
Good point. Serena could very well win one next year, but she could also very well lose in all of them. She's definitely not the slam-winning machine she once was.

Well she has the desire back for the first time since 2003. It all depends on whether she can be bothered to get in shape again, if she does, then I don't see why she can't rack up more slams. Although if the sisters don't get back up there, then there really is no-one to oppose Justine, what with Amelie seemingly done, Kim retired and Maria not the same.

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Everytime someone gets on a great roll, we expect them to go out and win 3 majors the next year... And for some reason, people think the slams are only going to be fought over by a few players (it seems to be three).

Jankovic, Ivanovic, Sharapova, and Vaidisova will be hungrier than ever to get a major in 2008.

Justine has played tremendous tennis all year long and came out of it with one major (2006). The same could go for this year if Kuznetsova wins today. It's not impossible. She hasn't even won her seventh, and people are already looking toward her ninth and tenth. Silly.

freeandlonely
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:15 PM
She has fair opportunity to do.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:15 PM
Everytime someone gets on a great roll, we expect them to go out and win 3 majors the next year... And for some reason, people think the slams are only going to be fought over by a few players (it seems to be three).

Jankovic, Ivanovic, Sharapova, and Vaidisova will be hungrier than ever to get a major in 2008.

Justine has played tremendous tennis all year long and came out of it with one major (2006). The same could go for this year if Kuznetsova wins today. It's not impossible. She hasn't even won her seventh, and people are already looking toward her ninth and tenth. Silly.

I totally agree, at the beginning of the year a lot of people were predicting Serena winning two or three more slams THIS year and getting to double figures. As it is, she is stuck on 8. We do tend to get ahead of ourselves, me inlcuded.

freeandlonely
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:23 PM
No.

Serena is a threat at every Grand Slam; Justine is only a threat at the French Open and the US Open.

Justine is a threat at all Slams.
And I think she did well at AO even then USO.

UDACHi
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:29 PM
No.

Serena is a threat at every Grand Slam; Justine is only a threat at the French Open and the US Open.

:spit:

justine is more of a threat at wimbledon than serena is at the french.

goldenslam888
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:30 PM
if she wins the AO, she could do it at RG.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:33 PM
:spit:

justine is more of a threat at wimbledon than serena is at the french.

This century Serena has only ever lost to former or current French Champions at the French and has never done worse than the quarters. Justine has lost to Bartoli, Danildou, Mauresmo as well as V&S at Wimbledon. They both have great shots at both tournaments I think. Although of course the French is Serena's least fav GS as is Wimbledon Justine's.

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:33 PM
08 is also an olympic year.

jawadde
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:45 PM
They will have the same numbers. I hope ;)

lizchris
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:50 PM
:spit:

justine is more of a threat at wimbledon than serena is at the french.

2 Finals, 0 wins for Justine
1 Final, 1 win for Serena

Case closed.

PS: Better grass court players are coming up who are younger than Justine.

lizchris
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Both Serena and Justine are threats at all the slams. I don't know how you can say Justine is not a threat at the AO and Wimbledon? The last 3 times she's played AO it was SF, W, F. And Wimbledon she's making the finals and SF's. How is that not "a threat"?

Because she has never won

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:55 PM
2 Finals, 0 wins for Justine
1 Final, 1 win for Serena

Case closed.

PS: Better grass court players are coming up who are younger than Justine.

Outside of those two years Serena has barely made a dent at the French Open.
Justine is always in the later rounds.

lizchris
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:00 PM
Outside of those two years Serena has barely made a dent at the French Open.
Justine is always in the later rounds.


But she still has one FO GS title to show for it, while Justine has two Wimbledon runner-up trohpy to show for hers. Next year, she will be 26, which isn't ancient, but with younger players coming up who are better grass court players than she is, plus Venus, Serena, Maria and Amelie at their best doesn't bode well for her.

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:01 PM
Because she has never won

There's a first time for everything. And seeing as Justine has taken a set in both her finals, I'd say she's a pretty solid bet to win in any given year. She's made it past the quarterfinals 5 times.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't put anything on Serena winning at the French. She really isn't even in the top 4 contenders there...

In winning her only French Open title, Serena beat Venus in her final. This was the only time Venus had ever made it past the quarterfinals, and Serena has only made it past the quarters twice overall.

Mightymirza
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:02 PM
who knows :shrug: I hope so..I also hope all 3 of them stay healthy :o

BK4ever
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:03 PM
This will all depend on which Serena decides to show up for the 2008 season and beyond:

oreot23
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:04 PM
how come no one takes in acount Serena's mixed and doubles grand slams

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:05 PM
But she still has one FO GS title to show for it, while Justine has two Wimbledon runner-up trohpy to show for hers. Next year, she will be 26, which isn't ancient, but with younger players coming up who are better grass court players than she is, plus Venus, Serena, Maria and Amelie at their best doesn't bode well for her.

That really doesn't bode well for anyone. What hurts Justine the most is the fact that she's always winning the French Open right before Wimbledon.

You do realize that Venus and Serena are older than Henin, right? And you do realize that Henin is playing near her best tennis and is on quite a while, right? And how far removed are Venus and Serena from their best tennis?

And :spit: Mauresmo?

lizchris
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:06 PM
There's a first time for everything. And seeing as Justine has taken a set in both her finals, I'd say she's a pretty solid bet to win in any given year. She's made it past the quarterfinals 5 times.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't put anything on Serena winning at the French. She really isn't even in the top 4 contenders there...

In winning her only French Open title, Serena beat Venus in her final. This was the only time Venus had ever made it past the quarterfinals, and Serena has only made it past the quarters twice overall.


It doesn't matter who Serena beat in the final, the fact is she won.

Until she can win Wimbeldon, I don't think Justine will pass Serena in GS totals.

Just keep in mind, only one active player has won Wimbeldon for the first time being over the age of 25 and that is Mauresmo, another fact that doesn't bode well for Justine either.

Renalicious
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:07 PM
I'll make a long shot prediction and say Serena will win 2 slams next year - The French and the US Open. Venus will win the Aus Open and someone relatively unknown will win Wimbledon. Justine exits at the Semi-Final stage of all of them with the exception of The Us Open, in which she falls in the 4th round to someone unseeded.

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:08 PM
Just keep in mind, only one active player has won Wimbeldon for the first time being over the age of 25 and that is Mauresmo, another fact that doesn't bode well for Justine either.

If anything, this would inspire Justine. Henin>Mauremso.
And this was just 2 years ago that she won it.

lizchris
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:10 PM
That really doesn't bode well for anyone. What hurts Justine the most is the fact that she's always winning the French Open right before Wimbledon.

You do realize that Venus and Serena are older than Henin, right? And you do realize that Henin is playing near her best tennis and is on quite a while, right? And how far removed are Venus and Serena from their best tennis?

And :spit: Mauresmo?


The fact that Justine can't win Wimbledon becuase of the quick transtion from clay to grass is bullshit. Steffi Graf did it at least 4 times and Serena is the only active player to do it, allbeit once. If Justine is really that good, then she should be able to accomplish the same feat.

Venus is only two years older than Justine and Serena is less than a year older.

Funny, they can't play their best tennis and STILL win GS.

lizchris
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:12 PM
If anything, this would inspire Justine. Henin>Mauremso.
And this was just 2 years ago that she won it.


Justine should have been in the final this year because this was her best year to win it.

If everyone who has won Wimbledon is healthy next year, it is going to be very hard for her to get to the final.

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:16 PM
Justine should have been in the final this year because this was her best year to win it.

If everyone who has won Wimbledon is healthy next year, it is going to be very hard for her to get to the final.

Justine won the French, won Eastbourne, and lost her sixth match at Wimbledon. She was just plain tired. Who wouldn't be? No other active player has played that much high level tennis in 6 weeks.

I'm saying it would actually do her well to lose at the French some year...

lizchris
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:25 PM
Justine won the French, won Eastbourne, and lost her sixth match at Wimbledon. She was just plain tired. Who wouldn't be? No other active player has played that much high level tennis in 6 weeks.

I'm saying it would actually do her well to lose at the French some year...


The matter in which she makes her schedule is her problem; most top players don't play between the FO and Wimbledon.

hurricanejeanne
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:27 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Justine passes Serena, but then again Serena can find her form out of no where. I would just be nice if they both could remain healthy next season (and not draw eachother in the quarterfinals of every slam :p)

I'm going to say that they'll be tied in the slam count by next year.

LindsayRulz
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:14 PM
Justine has already the 2008 RG in the pocket. I think Serena will at least win a slam though. I think they'll have the same number of slam.

supergrunt
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:48 AM
Serena really better step it up now. :armed:

dawid
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:49 AM
I think JuJu won't win RG in 2008 - I don't know why, but she won't do it...

Renalicious
Sep 9th, 2007, 10:56 AM
I think JuJu won't win RG in 2008 - I don't know why, but she won't do it...

Same...the 19 seed will beat her in the SF. Serena will win it after saving match points in her Quarterfinal match.

(Yes, it's pretty detailed.)

Renalicious
Sep 9th, 2007, 10:56 AM
I think JuJu won't win RG in 2008 - I don't know why, but she won't do it...

Same...the 19 seed will beat her in the SF. Serena will win it after saving match points in her Quarterfinal match.

(Yes, it's pretty detailed.)

stickwitju(ju)
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:23 AM
Since Serena no longer wins Slams every year, Justine will pass her by the end of next year. It does help that Justine's sole focus is tennis. Serena can continue to enjoy her full life as always.

:dance:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:35 AM
Other than the FO (which is 90% owned by Justine), either Serena or Justine can win the AO, Wimby and USO. It all depends on whether both of them will be fit / healthy, and the luck of the draw.

If Justine wins AO 2008 though, expect her to lead the slams count by Wimby.

Uranus
Sep 9th, 2007, 11:37 AM
For sure, she will. Unless something absolutely terrible happens to her.

iPatty
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:41 PM
I'll make a long shot prediction and say Serena will win 2 slams next year - The French and the US Open. Venus will win the Aus Open and someone relatively unknown will win Wimbledon. Justine exits at the Semi-Final stage of all of them with the exception of The Us Open, in which she falls in the 4th round to someone unseeded.

Same...the 19 seed will beat her in the SF. Serena will win it after saving match points in her Quarterfinal match.

(Yes, it's pretty detailed.)

Oh my God. :spit:

You seriously think Justine will lose in Paris?

Edith09
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:07 PM
If Henin stays injury free, she certainly will.

hacberto
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:11 PM
To be honest I think by the end of 2008 Serena will have 10 slams- winning in Australian and US Open,Justine(8)- winning the french and Venus (7)- winning Wimbledon

hacberto
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:12 PM
When will Justine get an injury oh my God

hacberto
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:13 PM
It's not fear

hacberto
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:13 PM
She won the US Open this year defeating 2 big opponents that we're injured

Chrisi
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:15 PM
I think Justine will win RG again, but at the others I think Serena has more chances if she's totally fit. Or let's see what will happen if they start meeeting in finals or semi-finals :D

kadirelf
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:25 PM
justine never win wimbledon
next year williams domination...

sportywoman
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:37 PM
Depends of the draw, if Serena finds Justine on her way at the quarter final of a GS, then,...you know.

I don't know how much she has Justine in her head now. I definitely think that Venus if more committed to tennis and playing more has better chance than her sister to add titles.

Justine consitency for the last 4 years gives her an objective advantage of adding more titles including slams.

Beny
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:38 PM
I could see her win all four slams in 2008 :shrug: . If she stays healthy,she has a good chance to do so.
Justine is not the one whose level drops often..
If she doesn't play a lot of tournaments, only GS and well, I think if her schedule was sth like this:
AO,Dubai,Doha,Warsaw,RG,two weeks of practising on grass(she wouldn't need as much rest after winning RG because firstly,she would only play Warsaw before, secondly,she wouldn't lose a set at RG :D ) Wimby, OG ? don't know when they are held, Montreal,USO..
What is more, you can see she's still improving. 2006 season was great, 2007 seems to be even better

Beny
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:41 PM
When will Justine get an injury oh my God

Poor you.You must be really desperate.

A sane person would never wish anyone an injury..

Beny
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:45 PM
No.

Serena is a threat at every Grand Slam; Justine is only a threat at the French Open and the US Open.

Serena WAS a threat at every GS in 2002,2003 maybe, but from 2005 on,she's only been threat at AO :wavey:

SV_Fan
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:45 PM
Um Serena knows she has all the slams unlike Ms. Justine. Serena is still the slam winning machine when she wants to and if she and venus are fit, and healthy and venus gets her anemia under control they will huge threats.

jujufreak
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:52 PM
Um Serena knows she has all the slams unlike Ms. Justine. Serena is still the slam winning machine when she wants to and if she and venus are fit, and healthy and venus gets her anemia under control they will huge threats.

a slam winning machine when she wants to... so she didn't want it in Paris, London and New York :confused:

a lot of if's, don't you think ;) ?

Forehand_Volley
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:02 PM
She won the US Open this year defeating 2 big opponents that we're injured
We've been hearing this excuse since the 2 big opponents lost. Whether or not its true is debatable.

Renalicious
Sep 9th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Oh my God. :spit:

You seriously think Justine will lose in Paris?

Yuh-huh. I'm getting this feeling that she will have an injury in her SF Match. :devil:

HenryMag.
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:05 PM
both will have 9 Slams.

DownTheLine21
Sep 9th, 2007, 06:19 PM
Yuh-huh. I'm getting this feeling that she will have an injury in her SF Match. :devil:

Perhaps injure her "hand"?

The Witch-king
Nov 14th, 2009, 02:38 AM
Uh not really

Shi Feng
Nov 14th, 2009, 03:58 AM
Wow, what an old thread! What about the end of 2010?

Arnian
Nov 14th, 2009, 04:04 AM
Never know because she retired. definitely would have tied Serena at RG, the other two I'm not sure. Probably could have defended at the US Open.

danieln1
Nov 14th, 2009, 04:09 AM
Fail!

DragonFlame
Nov 14th, 2009, 04:11 AM
For godsakes, stop bumping threads! It´s getting incredibly annoying.

Justine/serena this, justine/serena that. :o

Lets just WAIT and see what happens? Thank you.

Shi Feng
Nov 14th, 2009, 05:04 AM
Is it really that interesting to compare Justine with Serena?

DOUBLEFIST
Nov 14th, 2009, 05:57 AM
It's good to bump threads like these that have Public Polls. It's interesting to see what people's track records are and compare there point of views then and now. These confidential polls are far to easy to come in and vote in an asinine way simply for the sake of stacking numbers.

By bumping these threads, maybe it will give incentive for people to be a little more thoughtful in their responses.

Stamp Paid
Nov 14th, 2009, 05:59 AM
Haha, nice bump.

Shi Feng
Nov 14th, 2009, 06:24 AM
Who will first win her 8th GS, Justine or Venus? It must be a more interesting poll now.

The Witch-king
Nov 14th, 2009, 08:39 AM
For godsakes, stop bumping threads! It´s getting incredibly annoying.

Justine/serena this, justine/serena that. :o

Lets just WAIT and see what happens? Thank you.

what's the point of predicting threads if we are not allowed to check whether predictions were accurate or not??

The Witch-king
Nov 14th, 2009, 08:40 AM
Never know because she retired. definitely would have tied Serena at RG, the other two I'm not sure. Probably could have defended at the US Open.

because Justine was FORCED to retire wasn't she? She didn't win the FO and she most certainly didn't defend her Us Open title. Those are facts.

Matt01
Nov 14th, 2009, 10:47 AM
because Justine was FORCED to retire wasn't she? She didn't win the FO and she most certainly didn't defend her Us Open title. Those are facts.


What a sad troll you are. First you're bumping an old thread and now you're spreading that garbage. Go away.

winchester
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:04 AM
What a sad troll you are. First you're bumping an old thread and now you're spreading that garbage. Go away.

Actually, that's true, Justine left the Tour because she didn't think she was able to defend her titles, she was exhausted and she thought she couldn't do more. End of story. Now she is coming because desire is coming back, but desire was def. gone in 2008, she had no chances to defend her majors titles.

The Witch-king
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:36 AM
What a sad troll you are. First you're bumping an old thread and now you're spreading that garbage. Go away.

huh?? :confused:
justine won the french and us open in 2008? Did i miss something?
You're weird. And irrational.

Olórin
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:47 AM
definitely would have tied Serena at RG,

False. There is no way to know that.

debby
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:49 AM
Best jinxing thread ever. :mad:

Matt01
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:50 AM
huh?? :confused:
justine won the french and us open in 2008? Did i miss something?
You're weird. And irrational.


Huh? :confused:
Did I say that Justine won french and us open in 2008? Did I miss something?
You're weird. And irrational.

The Witch-king
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:55 AM
Huh? :confused:
Did I say that Justine won french and us open in 2008? Did I miss something?
You're weird. And irrational.

... And original.

You said i was spreading garbage when i said Justine wasn't forced to retire and didnt win those two slams... So i don't get what you intended if you weren't saying i wasn't telling the truth re: Justine

Dawson.
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:58 AM
Awesome bump :rolls:

debby
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:58 AM
... And original.

You said i was spreading garbage when i said Justine wasn't forced to retire and didnt win those two slams... So i don't get what you intended if you weren't saying i wasn't telling the truth re: Justine

I thought Justine was forced to retire because she was caught doping by the WTA organisation? :lol: :lol:

The Witch-king
Nov 14th, 2009, 12:02 PM
I thought Justine was forced to retire because she was caught doping by the WTA organisation? :lol: :lol:

lmao. silly me Matt01 was trying to correct me and point that out but i didn't realise!

SerenaSlam
Nov 14th, 2009, 03:36 PM
Awesome bump :rolls:

yeah especially when you go back and read you almost wanna quote everyone

Arnian
Nov 14th, 2009, 07:14 PM
because Justine was FORCED to retire wasn't she? She didn't win the FO and she most certainly didn't defend her Us Open title. Those are facts.

They are facts? Really!!!? I didn't know that! Thank you captain state the obvious.

This was a thread predicting and talking about possibilities, and I think had she not retired she would have won her 8th major at the French. The field was terrible that year and she could have easily beat Ivanovic or Safina to win her 4th title in a row.
Also, I know since you guys drink the hateraid when it comes to Justine, that the idea of her retiring because she couldn't "win" her titles anymore, makes your hearts jump for joy, but hello wake up, she retired because she was sick of playing tennis. I've gotten burnt out doing things and wanted to focus on my personal life, it had nothing to do with not winning anymore. You guys are just ridiculous sometimes.

laurie
Nov 14th, 2009, 07:30 PM
This Forum will absolutely implode if Justine meets Serena in one of the slams next year.

DimaDinosaur
Nov 14th, 2009, 07:34 PM
Henin vs Serena threads are always out of control. These threads just seem to bring out the retardness in people.

LeRoy.
Nov 14th, 2009, 07:38 PM
:haha:

Justine sure did !

The Witch-king
Nov 14th, 2009, 07:44 PM
They are facts? Really!!!? I didn't know that! Thank you captain state the obvious.

This was a thread predicting and talking about possibilities, and I think had she not retired she would have won her 8th major at the French.
imo there's a huge difference between making predictions for the future and making bold statements about what would have happened in the past if X had not happened or condition Y occured. It's pointless because you just. Don't. Know. What would have happened. Justine, Serena, Petr Kodra or Liesel Guber could have won the FO that year if bla bla bla had happened. But it didn't, so they didn't. Let's leave it at that.

Also, I know since you guys drink the hateraid when it comes to Justine, that the idea of her retiring because she couldn't "win" her titles anymore, makes your hearts jump for joy, but hello wake up, she retired because she was sick of playing tennis. I've gotten burnt out doing things and wanted to focus on my personal life, it had nothing to do with not winning anymore. You guys are just ridiculous sometimes.
look, i don't hate her and I personally don't care why she retired. The only thing i disliked was the fake permanency of it when it happened. But i guess with Justine you have to expect that you won't always get the honest truth. :sad:

spencercarlos
Nov 15th, 2009, 12:06 AM
imo there's a huge difference between making predictions for the future and making bold statements about what would have happened in the past if X had not happened or condition Y occured. It's pointless because you just. Don't. Know. What would have happened. Justine, Serena, Petr Kodra or Liesel Guber could have won the FO that year if bla bla bla had happened. But it didn't, so they didn't. Let's leave it at that.


look, i don't hate her and I personally don't care why she retired. The only thing i disliked was the fake permanency of it when it happened. But i guess with Justine you have to expect that you won't always get the honest truth. :sad:
I hope you share the same view, when talking about Serena´s 2003 Usopen missed for instace. Because the norm among Williams fans is that Serena (and not Henin) would have won the Usopen 2003 most definetly.

So we can now agreee it did not happen, Justine did end of the story...

About their upcoming meetings it will be extremly interesting. Last year Henin retired absolutely at the top of the game. Holding 9 titles, 2 grand slams and the YEC. Would be hard for her to get to that level again, but who knows. No one expected Kim to win her first slam right away, she did it beating no other than Venus and Serena on her way. So i think Henin definetly has a chance. We´ll see.

azinna
Nov 15th, 2009, 08:06 PM
....This was a thread predicting and talking about possibilities, and I think had she not retired she would have won her 8th major at the French. The field was terrible that year and she could have easily beat Ivanovic or Safina to win her 4th title in a row.
Also, I know since you guys drink the hateraid when it comes to Justine, that the idea of her retiring because she couldn't "win" her titles anymore, makes your hearts jump for joy, but hello wake up, she retired because she was sick of playing tennis.....

Not sure about French Open '08. Safina beat Justine on clay in Berlin(?) that year fair-and-square. Dinara has serious problems in slam finals, but if she had met Justine in a QF or SF....

And motivation is such an integral part of winning slams for each and every champion. Justine lost that necessary motivation to increase her training and improve her level of tennis, which is always necessary with each subsequent tennis season, especially when you have a knee that's starting to balk, and when you're #1 with a target on your back and folks like Maria, Serena, Venus even Dinara aiming straight at it.

More importantly, Justine, by her own admissions, thought she had overachieved, with 2007 being something she had never imagined for herself. That's key in a thread trying to imagine Henin holding more slam titles than Serena. Bet you Serena has that year as a career "peak" and she'd be claiming dissatisfaction.

Let's see what happens next season. I'll be watching with popcorn.

winchester
Nov 15th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Best jinx ever:lol:

Douce
Nov 15th, 2009, 08:37 PM
Well it's too late now...if she stayed on in 08, maybe she would've tied or surpassed Serena. But she would have to win all 4 slams next year just to tie Serena, and that is extremely unlikely...especially since Serena is still playing at a high level, and has no such retirement in mind for a while. So I believe that her opportunity has passed, but she will definitely still win the smaller titles, prob will finish her career with more smaller titles than Serena IMO. For the people who try to base Justine's level of play next year off of her previous years...ie 2007...you guys are thinking irrationally, that was a season where Justine played out of her mind. I guarantee she will not return to that form at least not next year, and as well as the people who are basing Justine's upcoming return off of what Kim was able to do...this is also nonsense! Kim is much more athletic than Justine, therefore her form and technique dont have to be as sound right away for her to make an impact...Justine is a decent athlete, but her game relies so much on technique and balance, so I wouldn't bet on her being able to replicate what Kim accomplished at the USO. Just my two cents worth!

terjw
Nov 15th, 2009, 08:44 PM
They are facts? Really!!!? I didn't know that! Thank you captain state the obvious.

This was a thread predicting and talking about possibilities, and I think had she not retired she would have won her 8th major at the French. The field was terrible that year and she could have easily beat Ivanovic or Safina to win her 4th title in a row.
Also, I know since you guys drink the hateraid when it comes to Justine, that the idea of her retiring because she couldn't "win" her titles anymore, makes your hearts jump for joy, but hello wake up, she retired because she was sick of playing tennis. I've gotten burnt out doing things and wanted to focus on my personal life, it had nothing to do with not winning anymore. You guys are just ridiculous sometimes.

Agree with your post apart from that she would have won her 8th major at the French. Of course I don't disagree that is your opinion - but IMO she had no chance. You yourself state that she retired because she was sick of playing tennis. Well I'd put it in less colourful language like she did. And that is - Other things were more important to her. She felt she'd achieved what she wanted (although I've always doubted Wimbledon about that one) and she just lacked motivation to go on.

It's not that she retired that cost her the chance to overhaul Serena's GS tally and why she didn't win RG that year. It's that she lost motivation and that makes a huge difference. No matter how good she was in 2007 or how good any player is - once you lose motivation - you won't win slams and you'll just slip down and down losing to players you always beat in the past. By the time Serena beat a motiveless Justine in Miami - I'd say Justine was down to playing like about the #6 in the world despite her #1 ranking and it was only going to get worse.

In view of this - Justine did entirely the right and professional thing to retire when she did rather than drift. As to those posters criticising her retiring and then coming back - at the time that was that as far as she was concerned. She had no intention of coming back when she retired. She didn't know then that she would later have a change of heart.

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 17th, 2009, 03:07 PM
amaze thread!!! :lol:

and amazing how people always want to discount miami 08 because jh was not motivated enough, but always count all the slams in 07 even though serena was now getting back into SOME semblance of playing shape after play FOUR tournaments in 2006...AO and Miami are home grounds to serena in a sense so she always does well there so it's no surprise that in an average year she managed to win those two

but anyways :rolls: at all the "serena is done" predictions