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JuJupova
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:09 PM
:worship: :worship: :worship: Queen justine :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

cellophane
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:14 PM
No, we can't. :o

ce
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:15 PM
No :weirdo:

fleemke³
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:16 PM
She will :)

iPatty
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:18 PM
Not quite. Give her a couple more years.

xan
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:18 PM
Not yet we can't. If she wins USO, she may sneak best player of 2007

Brandon85
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:19 PM
i'd say it is close between her and serena. we will have to see!

Calypso
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:19 PM
She needs to win more slams than Queen Serena first.

Geisha
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:20 PM
It is an interesting question.

From the beginning of the 2000s, Serena and Justine have seven Grand Slams each, provided Justine wins today. Let's just say this discussion is happening tomorrow and Justine has already won the 2007 US Open.

That leaves them even at Grand Slam singles titles. Serena has won all four, and Justine has won only three. But, it is possible that what Serena has won in Grand Slams, Justine makes up for it with the Year-End Championships and the Olympics Gold Medal. It is just up for talks.

Justine has won more overall Singles titles. She has shown onsistency at the top for longer than Serena has. She's consistently won at least one Grand Slam since 2003. Justine still doesn't have the dominance of Serena's four consecutive Grand Slams, along with Doubles, though.

Craigy
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:20 PM
Not yet we can't. If she wins USO, she may sneak best player of 2007

Sneak? I think she's got it in the bag to be honest.

iPatty
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:20 PM
Not yet we can't. If she wins USO, she may sneak best player of 2007

Sneak it? If she wins the US Open, she is far and above the best player of 2007. 7 of 11 tournaments entered won. Never losing before the semifinals. Who else has a record like that? :o

Lunaris
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:20 PM
If not the best then certainly the most complete and skillful.

Geisha
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:21 PM
Sneak? I think she's got it in the bag to be honest.

Yeah. Very impressive season.

Slutiana
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:22 PM
of 07, yes. Of the 00's :weirdo:

Serena_thebest
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:23 PM
too soon to answer that question...

Max565
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:25 PM
not there yet...

Highlandman
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:32 PM
No, we can't. Serena has still one GS more in the 00's and Venus has also 6. :rolleyes:

LANGAM
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:46 PM
no

Vamos.
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:50 PM
Not quite.

By the end of next year I fear we will be all answering yes, though.

goldenslam888
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:47 PM
2000's are not over yet, but if she wins today she would have

7 slams
3 ye #1's
1 gold medal
3 consecutive FO's
now dominates serena
and is younger than the ws


a case can be made for her.

die_wahrheit
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:41 PM
Federer is.
And he even plays the men's tour.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:43 PM
Federer is.
And he even plays the men's tour.

:haha:

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:45 PM
Not yet we can't. If she wins USO, she may sneak best player of 2007

Sneak? :spit:
Who else even has a chance if she loses?

Conor
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:47 PM
Maybe, if she wins tonight...

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:48 PM
To answer the question-- she will be. She's got a few more years at the top to win majors.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:53 PM
We still have two more seasons left, 8 more majors and an Olympics to play yet.

BK4ever
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:55 PM
Justine is the best because she has 6 grandslams and has been the most consistent week in, week out.

Serena and Venus are GREAT players but they have never been consistent and that is why they have underachieved.

I still think that if Henin and Serena were playing at their absolute best that Serena is the better player.

KBdoubleu
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:03 PM
No...

Does anyone else wonder if Serena had beaten Henin in that '03 French Open semi how different womens tennis would be today?

Matt01
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:43 PM
"The best of the year"-award is already in her bag. Best player of the 00s? I think we have to wait a few more years for that...


Does anyone else wonder if Serena had beaten Henin in that '03 French Open semi how different womens tennis would be today?

No.

Rexman
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:43 PM
She has to win more slams than Serena IMO. If they are even then Serena's got the edge because she's won them all, but if she wins 2 next season, no matter which two, then she passes Serena. 9>8.

Rexman
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:44 PM
She has to win more slams than Serena IMO. If they are even then Serena's got the edge because she's won them all, but if she wins 2 next season(And Serena wins none), no matter which two, then she passes Serena. 9>8.

BUT. Don't count Kuznetsova out just yet.

Rexman
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:44 PM
Okay that was I mess. I meant to click edit and I quoted myself. Sorry guys, it's been a while since I've posted.

homogenius
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:47 PM
She has to win more slams than Serena IMO. If they are even then Serena's got the edge because she's won them all, but if she wins 2 next season, no matter which two, then she passes Serena. 9>8.

I thought that Serena won "only" 7 slams in the 00's ?

supergrunt
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:50 PM
that's not fair! :(

Mina Vagante
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:56 PM
best player in 07? yup
best in the 00's ... not yet

serenafan08
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:58 PM
^^^^^cosign

Mina Vagante
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:00 PM
She has to win more slams than Serena IMO. If they are even then Serena's got the edge because she's won them all, but if she wins 2 next season, no matter which two, then she passes Serena. 9>8.

so. whever has more slams is the better player?:rolleyes:
justine has only won 2 slams outside of clay. yet if she wins (probs) the FO again! and US .. she is better than serena cus she has more slams? serenas grand slam wins would still be much more creditably if Justine wins these

Justine:
AO-1
FO-5
WO-0
US-2

Serena-
AO-2
FO-1
WO-2
US-2

I KNow which set of slams i'd rather have!

DA FOREHAND
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:16 PM
It is an interesting question.

From the beginning of the 2000s, Serena and Justine have seven Grand Slams each, provided Justine wins today. Let's just say this discussion is happening tomorrow and Justine has already won the 2007 US Open.

That leaves them even at Grand Slam singles titles. Serena has won all four, and Justine has won only three. But, it is possible that what Serena has won in Grand Slams, Justine makes up for it with the Year-End Championships and the Olympics Gold Medal. It is just up for talks.

Justine has won more overall Singles titles. She has shown onsistency at the top for longer than Serena has. She's consistently won at least one Grand Slam since 2003. Justine still doesn't have the dominance of Serena's four consecutive Grand Slams, along with Doubles, though.

Justine has never dominated the whole tour the way Serena has.

Kworb
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:18 PM
Yes she is the best player of the 00's

Marshmallow
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:24 PM
Will be interesting to bump this thread and see in a years time.

sharapovarulz1
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:01 PM
Not at all, what a laughable thread!!!!

RenaSlam.
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:01 PM
:lol:

That's a knee-slapper.

iWill
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Its way too early to tell Justine still has to win Wimbledon and if Vee and Reena are still playing till 2010 I dont think Justine will win especially if Venus is still around.

Breakdowon of the 00's

00-01 Venus was clearly the best you could throw Capriati into there but its still pretty fair to say Venus dominated these years

02-03 Serena's domination with Venus as the undisputed number 2 had Serena and Venus not injured themselves in 03 Wimbledon I think its safe to say one of them would have won the USO this year this is when Justine started to make her way to the top though as well

04-05 Justine was the most consistent but her viral illness caused her to lose some chances at GS Venus and Serena were just comning back from their injuries and although Serena made a slam final she still lost 3 chances in my opinion to add slams to her count In 05 however all 3 players added a slam so its still not easy to give Justine the title of "best player" this time frame either

06-Present This has been the best Justine has ever played shes gotten her 03-beginning of 04 form back and added more to it so presently she has been the most consistent winning at least 1 slam from 03-07 however in this period Venus and Serena also won slams and Venus and Justine still remained tied in GS titles

Not really easy to say she is the best
1. 00's isn't over yet
2. She has spent a lot of this decade losing to two other great candidates
3. She needs to add a Wimbledon title

All things being even shes pretty close with Serena prolly won't be able to tell till this time next year

winone23
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Hell to the NO!!!

DemWilliamsGulls
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:14 PM
Hell naw ...Justine the best of the 00? What pipe u been smoking on? lol...Some of yall Justine fans have had a orgasm since she beat Venus yesterday....she is the #1 player in 07, due to the fact Veuns and Serena hasn't played THEIR best...;)

gocanadago
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:25 PM
No

sharapovarulz1
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:40 PM
Hell naw ...Justine the best of the 00? What pipe u been smoking on? lol...Some of yall Justine fans have had a orgasm since she beat Venus yesterday....she is the #1 player in 07, due to the fact Veuns and Serena hasn't played THEIR best...;)

Been smoking something strong for them to come up with this shit :lol:

manu
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:49 PM
Even though I am a Justine fan, I can't agree. Even if she would get to Serena's number of Slams, Serena would still have 2 big advantages over her:
1) she's won all 4 Slams
2) there was a time when Serena had an aura of invincibility and beat litterally everyone on her path. Justine has shown flashes of such form, but not quite to the same extent as Serena did, like even when she's playing great she tends to have this rare loss here and there (eg to Bartoli at Wimbledon or in the 3 Slam finals last year) that doesn't allow her to get that same momentum of invincibility Serena once had.

If Justine manages to win Wimbledon in 2008 or 2009 and keep up the incredible level she's playing at a little longer, then she could definitely be considered a candidate for greatest player of the 2000's. But right now, she still isn't IMO.

Declan
Sep 8th, 2007, 08:49 PM
Definitely not. Serena is, by far. Until Justine can win Wimbledon there remains a huge hole in her personal record book.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 8th, 2007, 09:05 PM
Even though I am a Justine fan, I can't agree. Even if she would get to Serena's number of Slams, Serena would still have 2 big advantages over her:
1) she's won all 4 Slams
2) there was a time when Serena had an aura of invincibility and beat litterally everyone on her path. Justine has shown flashes of such form, but not quite to the same extent as Serena did, like even when she's playing great she tends to have this rare loss here and there (eg to Bartoli at Wimbledon or in the 3 Slam finals last year) that doesn't allow her to get that same momentum of invincibility Serena once had.

If Justine manages to win Wimbledon in 2008 or 2009 and keep up the incredible level she's playing at a little longer, then she could definitely be considered a candidate for greatest player of the 2000's. But right now, she still isn't IMO.

Well said. Very honest.

I think it's safe to say Juju is the best of the MID' first decade of the '00.

swiss
Sep 8th, 2007, 09:19 PM
yes by far:angel:

SV_Fan
Sep 8th, 2007, 09:53 PM
NO not really the Williams sisters were beasts up until 2005. So that is like 8 years of dominace. Where they made a slam a 4th round or better at a slam. Serena I say is the better play still though if she wins the french then she will have a double slam which will be hard for justine to get.

Lulu.
Sep 8th, 2007, 10:01 PM
No.

Informative
Sep 8th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Of course not. Henin is not even close to being the best player since 2000. You need to not only stop smoking that rancid pipe but stop drinking so much damn coffee as well. You're hallucinating!:lol:

terjw
Sep 8th, 2007, 10:47 PM
NO not really the Williams sisters were beasts up until 2005. So that is like 8 years of dominace. Where they made a slam a 4th round or better at a slam. Serena I say is the better play still though if she wins the french then she will have a double slam which will be hard for justine to get.

until 2005? :lol: What planet are you on? Try up to Wimby 2003 and I think most ppl would agree. Since then - on Grand Slam wins, rankings, getting knocked out early and getting past 4th round at tournaments, tournament wins, H2H - you name it - Justine has been better. On what basis apart from your own bias have they been better.

Mind you - I find the thread title meaningless. Just taking an arbitrary date like 2000. It's as silly as saying between the years 1985-1990 can we agree that Graf is the best player.

Overall - since Wimby 2003 - yes Justine has been the best player overall but not necessarily the best in any particular year. It's best to just leave it at that.

jenglisbe
Sep 8th, 2007, 11:03 PM
If she were to win Wimbledon and Serena not win another major, then yes. As long as Serena has more majors or the same amount, though, then no. Serena has won 3 of the majors multiple times and Roland Garros once. So far, Justine has won one major multiple times, two of them once, and has never won Wimbledon. I don't think racking up majors at one event makes you the best.

LeRoy.
Sep 8th, 2007, 11:06 PM
Serena has won 7 GS's in the 2000' and by the end of today Henin might have 7 herself but i still think Serena is so far the player of the 00's. It might change next year though. :)

Rtael
Sep 8th, 2007, 11:36 PM
I think Justine needs 3 more slams (two if you wanna say she already won this one :p) and then she'll have a better career than Serena. The all-4 slams and Serena's doubles accomplishments do mean something. With this USO, if Justine wins Wimby...maybe then you can make a case for her being better.

1jackson2001
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:58 AM
This is an interesting question and not completely unfounded. Serena had her run during the Serena Slam and currently has the most majors, but Justine has proved she is at the top or near the top with her results for more years. I think it's safe to say Serena has more spectacular peaks and valleys while Justine overall competes at a much more consistently high level (especially during these last few years).:cool: This should be a very interesting debate if Justine wins tonight. :)

Matt01
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:01 AM
Who are the best players of the other decades anyway? :confused:
I guess Graf is the player of the 90s, and Navi player of the 80s?

Callystarr
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:30 AM
It is an interesting question.

From the beginning of the 2000s, Serena and Justine have seven Grand Slams each, provided Justine wins today. Let's just say this discussion is happening tomorrow and Justine has already won the 2007 US Open.

That leaves them even at Grand Slam singles titles. Serena has won all four, and Justine has won only three. But, it is possible that what Serena has won in Grand Slams, Justine makes up for it with the Year-End Championships and the Olympics Gold Medal. It is just up for talks.

Justine has won more overall Singles titles. She has shown onsistency at the top for longer than Serena has. She's consistently won at least one Grand Slam since 2003. Justine still doesn't have the dominance of Serena's four consecutive Grand Slams, along with Doubles, though.


Well here are some quick statistics I Came across NOT including what happened @ this years US OPEN...

Since the year 2000...


Serena Williams has won 23 titles and is 267-48 (.848).
Justine Henin has won 28 titles and is 392-82 (.827).
Venus Williams has won 26 titles and is 302-58 (.839)

7 Titles for Serena, 6 for Venus/Justine.


Also you can see that Justine competed and was eligible for way more titles than both of the sisters. Maybe next year, but Justine has been great the last 2 seasons, but she has not shown the dominance that Serena did.

mm1147
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:33 AM
of 07, yes. Of the 00's :weirdo:

i agree with you bcoz from 00-02 its the williams sisters who dominate,in 03 between the WS and the belgians in 04 the russians in 05 its the WS again and davenport plus the big comeback of pierce in 06 its amelie who won 2 grandslam and this year imo really not dominated by henin
from 91-93 thats what i call domination bcoz no one can really beat monica that year even steffi cannot stop her

terjw
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:19 PM
i agree with you bcoz from 00-02 its the williams sisters who dominate,in 03 between the WS and the belgians in 04 the russians in 05 its the WS again and davenport plus the big comeback of pierce in 06 its amelie who won 2 grandslam and this year imo really not dominated by henin
from 91-93 thats what i call domination bcoz no one can really beat monica that year even steffi cannot stop her

Yeah sure - you believe 05 was the Williams. :tape: :rolleyes: - utter tripe.

Taking Serena first:
After she won the AO - she had a dreadful year. Unfit and overwight she crashed out of 5 of her 10 tournaments early not even making the Quarter Finals and losing to such all time greats as Craybas and TianTian. She didn't make another final even and only got to the semis once.

Venus did a little better:
She could hardly have done much worse. She did win one other tournament apart from Wimbledon.

But both sisters were one trick ponies that year. After winning their respective slam - they couldn't even muster enough additional points to qualify for the YEC. They both tumbled down the rankings.

05 belonged to Kim: Even though she missed the start of the season with her injury which put her out of 2004 - she went on to dominate the hard courts. She won 9 tournaments that year - more than the sisters and Justine have ever done. And that included USO and back-to-back Indian Well and Miami. And after losing to Venus in her comeback match she went on to beat Venus the two other times they me - Stanford final and USO.

Justine also came back from injury and dominated the clay season that year including winning the FO. But she didn't have as good a year as Kim.

Lindsay was #1 at the end of the year and most of the year due to her consistency. Even though she had fewer wins than Kim and didn't win a grand slam that year.

stickwitju(ju)
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:25 PM
No we can't agree but if Justine keeps it up, she will be.

:p