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Ballbasher
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:10 PM
Why are so many people here disrespecting her? I mean she proved she can beat almost everyone on a good day (except Serena) so how can people write she's the worst thing that could've happened to Women's tennis? Look at her Miami run in 2006 for example.She used to be a headcase and upset prone but that changed a lot this year her worst loss was Alona Bondarenko (#40 that tzime) in Warsaw and her second worst came against Lucie Safarova (#32 at that ime ) in Paris and they both made final there. Her other losses came against Srebotnik (by ret.,beat her once) ,Peer (x2,beat her once) ,Henin (x2,beat her once),Venus (beat her once), Hantuchova (beat her once) ,Ivanovic (x2) ,Jankovic ,Golovin. And Jankovic,Ivanovic,Henin ( bothtimes),Venus,Hantuchova won the tourney.Safarova,Bondarenko were in the final.She only failed to make quarters thrice this year in Sydney,Melbourne and Miami.So how can people say it's horrible she got to #2 this season?

I think she'' not even in her best form and yes the draw helped but she's still able make the Final of NÝ.And no I don''tthink she can beat Justine today,but I just want to tell that i think she's a lot better than what people make her to be.

goldenlox
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:25 PM
It's a lopsided draw. Sveta is fortunate to be here, but she beat Justine the last time they played.

Ballbasher
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:37 PM
Of course but just in genereal to say Sveta doesn't deserve to be #2 seems horrible to me she's beaten all great players of this era except Serena

DutchieGirl
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:38 PM
I don't have a problem with Sveta. I don't think she'll win the final, but if she's #2, she deserves to be there.

Mileen
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:40 PM
That's not disrespecting, that's underestimating. Justine is getting disrespected, it's a shame how posters on this board treat Justine. As for Svetlana, I don't think she is being underestimated, she is generally acknowlegded for being a subtop player. It's just that sometimes some players are not in the spotlights, because other more exciting & important things are happening I guess. I had the feeling all along the USO, Svetlana would silently reach the semi and/or final, and she did.

Ballbasher
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:41 PM
That's not disrespecting, that's underestimating. Justine is getting disrespected, it's a shame how posters on this board treat Justine. As for Svetlana, I don't think she is being underestimated, she is generally acknowlegded for being a subtop player. It's just that sometimes some players are not in the spotlights, because other more exciting & important things are happening I guess. I had the feeling all along the USO, Svetlana would silently reach the semi and/or final, and she did.
Justine is treated even worse :help: Just beacause they're not the media type does make them worse player sfor some posters here

.Andrew.
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:44 PM
That's what I am saying :rolleyes:

They keep putting her down like "She is the worst No. 2 in history!" or "How many games will she win against Justine?" :rolleyes:

She earned being No. 2 in the world and I hope that she can push Justine tonight.

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Of course but just in genereal to say Sveta doesn't deserve to be #2 seems horrible to me she's beaten all great players of this era except Serena

So did Dementieva and Myskina :shrug: It proves nothing.
Only her results over the last 52 weeks do matter. And thanks to them Sveta will be No.2.

Ballbasher
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:57 PM
Nastya and LenaD are great players too once LenaD serve is on she can compete but her serve is like always said her BIG BIG problem.Nastya's career got a huge down in Athens 2004 I think she never recovered from that :sad:

Chrissie-fan
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:21 PM
That's not disrespecting, that's underestimating. Justine is getting disrespected, it's a shame how posters on this board treat Justine.
That's just a matter of frustration. The better a player is - the more negative threads there are about her. As soon as people start bashing you on these boards you know you've got it made.:lol:

Kuznetsova can win the tournament. I don't think she will, but it's not impossible. Beating both Serena and Venus is a real emotional high for Justine and it's going be interesting to see if she can maintain the same competitive edge for three matches in a row, and without a day between the semis and the final to recuperate at that. She will need to IMO. If she comes out flat today a Kuznetsova who has got nothing to lose (as the cliché goes) could do some serious damage.

Tennisaddict
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:25 PM
Well, Sveta is one of the players this board chooses to ignore. I have always said that she's the best Russian player out there. She can struggle mentally against the top player but she can do everything with a ball. She's very talented and I think she and Ivanovic will be in the top three for a long time after the Williams sisters and Henin have retired.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:32 PM
Well, Sveta is one of the players this board chooses to ignore. I have always said that she's the best Russian player out there. She can struggle mentally against the top player but she can do everything with a ball. She's very talented and I think she and Ivanovic will be in the top three for a long time after the Williams sisters and Henin have retired.
I agree with her being the most talented Russian. Sharapova still deserves to be called "the best" on the basis of her big wins IMO. Sveta should definitely lose some weight though. She would be amazed what being just that half a step faster could do for her.

Ballbasher
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:38 PM
That's true Sveta should hit the gym.Injuries would get better ,too

justine&coria
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:40 PM
Well, she earned the 2nd rank, because Ivanovic had to play Venus in the 4th round, because Jankovic had to play Venus in the quarters, when she had to play way weaker opponents. And maybe because Serena had to face 3 times Justine in the quarters of GS etc.
And what did she really do this year ? I can't remember.

Of course, it's not her fault that she's number 2, but TO ME, Serena, Venus, Jankovic, Ivanovic, maybe Sharapova too had a better year than her.

It's not really disrespect, but I just can't consider her as the 2nd best player in the world.

gentenaire
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:44 PM
Well, Sveta is one of the players this board chooses to ignore..

Not only the board, the media in general. The TV networks completely ignore her, even though she's a US open champion. And then when she makes it to the final, which isn't a surprise at all considering she's made several grand slam finals, they suddenly come to the realisation that the ratings will be very low because there's an 'unknown' in the final. If the TV networks aren't happy, it's their own fault for constantly hyping the same players and ignoring the rest.

DutchieGirl
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:46 PM
Well, she earned the 2nd rank, because Ivanovic had to play Venus in the 4th round, because Jankovic had to play Venus in the quarters, when she had to play way weaker opponents. And maybe because Serena had to face 3 times Justine in the quarters of GS etc.
And what did she really do this year ? I can't remember.

Of course, it's not her fault that she's number 2, but TO ME, Serena, Venus, Jankovic, Ivanovic, maybe Sharapova too had a better year than her.

It's not really disrespect, but I just can't consider her as the 2nd best player in the world.

Sorry, did I miss the new rankings info where ranking is only based on the USO? Ranking is BEST SEVENTEEN tourneys. So Sveta didn't earn the #2 ranking just because Ana had to play Venus 4th r, etc... :rolleyes:

What did Kuzzie do in the last year? Well other than final USO, she also has 4r AO, final tier 2 Doha, final tier 1 IW, F Tier 1 Berlin, F tier 1 Rome, QF RG, QF Wimby, W tier 2 New Haven. Thqat's only this year and looking at her GS and finals appearances...if you want I could look at the end of last year, and list alos her SF/QF appearances at all tourneys over the last year perhaps?

terjw
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:51 PM
There's two things really. The USO itself where all the focus is on the top half of the draw. And the other is her #2 ranking.

As far as the USO - well it's inevitable. You only have to look at the players involved and the quality of the matches to understand why people said the Justine vs Venus match was the "real" final or should have been the final. And it's logical the moving of the Jelena vs Venus match. I mean Sveta's matches haven't been very goog anyway. But yeah - Sveta's probably a bit peeve she's been written off before the final has even started.

Believe me - as soon as the final starts - that will all change. Sveta will get her praise at the start. And if it's a good match - or Sveta wins - she'll get her respect.

On the #2 ranking - I'm not sure that's so important and a big deal anyway. There's a lot of players in the mix and that could chop and change a bit. If Sveta keeps it for any length of time - she will need to get good results and every good result she gets ought to change people's perception of her as a #2 player. If she only holds #2 briefly - it will quickly be forgotten.

Calypso
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:06 PM
Another reason is she lacks charisma and its so easy to overlook her.
She does nothing controversial.;)

Sam L
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:09 PM
Another reason is she lacks charisma and its so easy to overlook her.
She does nothing controversial.;)

In other words, she's boring.

justine&coria
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:20 PM
Sorry, did I miss the new rankings info where ranking is only based on the USO? Ranking is BEST SEVENTEEN tourneys. So Sveta didn't earn the #2 ranking just because Ana had to play Venus 4th r, etc... :rolleyes:

What did Kuzzie do in the last year? Well other than final USO, she also has 4r AO, final tier 2 Doha, final tier 1 IW, F Tier 1 Berlin, F tier 1 Rome, QF RG, QF Wimby, W tier 2 New Haven. Thqat's only this year and looking at her GS and finals appearances...if you want I could look at the end of last year, and list alos her SF/QF appearances at all tourneys over the last year perhaps?
Well, there were 4 people who could have been number 2 at the end of the USO, so I think the USO counts a lot. There was Sharapova (who's in a slump), and Ivanovic/Jankovic who both had to play the 2nd best player right now (with jankovic close to beating her).
And from what I'm reading from you : Sveta has just won a tier 2 ! I guess it proves everything I've been saying. Plus she didn't pass the QF of the other GS, reaches the finals of this one thanks to the luckiest draw ever : I mean, she did what she had to do, but as I've said, I think Jankovic, Venus, Serena, Ivanovic and even Sharapova should be in front of her in the rankings.

my0118
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:29 PM
She's a female Davydenko? :confused:

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:29 PM
I think Jankovic, Venus, Serena, Ivanovic and even Sharapova should be in front of her in the rankings.

Then create your own rankings and put whoever you want in Top-10 and stop whining.

Ballbasher
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:32 PM
She's a female Davydenko? :confused:
Has Davydenko won NY before? :confused:

scoobsuk
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:52 PM
Sveta's main problem this tournament is that she hasn't really played like a champion in waiting. She has made it through to the finals but she has done so while often looking uncertain, playing badly, and generally as if she doesn't really believe. She made it through anyway, and credit to her if she wins the title or makes the final very competitive - it will help a lot.

I find, though, she doesn't seem to have the demeanour of a champion - you never get the sense with Svetlana that she feels she belongs there or that she owns the place - and you can sorta smell that from her. I almost think she needs a little more self-assuredness, arrogance, at the latter stages of events.

Ntour
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:54 PM
its the 14-2 h2h justine was being disrespected because of her 1-7 h2h wit venus

same goes for sveta i guess, i for one am not overlooking her chances

TLP
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:46 PM
its the 14-2 h2h justine was being disrespected because of her 1-7 h2h wit venus

same goes for sveta i guess, i for one am not overlooking her chances

Justine and Carlos will not be overlooking Sveta either. I have read interviews where both have expressed much respect for Sveta as a player and as a person. I'm not sure where someone gets the idea that Sveta is dull or boring but that's not the image I get. Sveta has got a wonderful personality. Just read about her and listen to her and her personality will jump out at you. She's a hoot.

Infiniti2001
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:54 PM
When I saw the draw I told my buddies, I'm expecting a Venus Sveta final, with my Vee winning of course. I got ½ wrong http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/876/embarrassedel0.gif, but hopefully she will do the unexpected tonight :p

goldenlox
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:50 PM
Sveta has played a lot of bad tennis this summer. And she benefited from a weak half of the draw.
But if Justine doesn't win this title, Sveta's the only other possible winner.

brent-o
Sep 8th, 2007, 06:56 PM
The thing about Sveta's game is she hits brilliant shot, then stupid error, good shot, stupid error. It's frustrating to really enjoy watching her. Although she's very talented and I hope she does well against Justine.

Morrissey
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:01 PM
If Svetlana really wants respect she has to bring it tonight.

IceHock
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:15 PM
I think she has a chance tonight, she just needs to stay mentally tough and keep her errors down because if she does she can come close to the talent of Justine. I'm picking her to win tonight.

Morrissey
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:24 PM
The only chance Svetlana has is in the beginning of the match Justine may be more nervous then usual because she lost last year's final. The first set is critical for Svetlana she has to try to win it. If she cannot she is doomed.

sharapovarulz1
Sep 8th, 2007, 07:50 PM
I think she has a 30% chance of winning tonight, but I could be wrong so go and prove me wrong Svetlana!

DutchieGirl
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:35 AM
Well, there were 4 people who could have been number 2 at the end of the USO, so I think the USO counts a lot. There was Sharapova (who's in a slump), and Ivanovic/Jankovic who both had to play the 2nd best player right now (with jankovic close to beating her).
And from what I'm reading from you : Sveta has just won a tier 2 ! I guess it proves everything I've been saying. Plus she didn't pass the QF of the other GS, reaches the finals of this one thanks to the luckiest draw ever : I mean, she did what she had to do, but as I've said, I think Jankovic, Venus, Serena, Ivanovic and even Sharapova should be in front of her in the rankings.

Just because 4 people *could* have been #2 at the end of the USO doesn't mean it counts more than any other tourney. As I just said - peoples rankings are based on their best SEVENTEEN tourneys for the period of 52 weeks. So that means that on the whole, Sveta's had better results at more tourneys than the other people over that period. And yes, her results were better at the USO, but it's not just the 1 tournament that got her the #2 ranking! She had to do well in 16 other tourneys to get her ranking up so high as well. ;)

Sharapova's hardly played this year, same with Serena and Venus, that is why they are not ahead of of Sveta in the rankings - if they had played more, then yes, they probably would be ahead of Sveta, but they choose not to, or have been injured - it's not Sveta's fault. Obviously Jelena and Ana have had brilliant years, but their past 52 weeks obviously haven't been as good as Sveta's, or else they'd be #2! I think people think JJ should be #2 because she plays so many tournys, but alot of the time, she's playing lower tourneys - which aren't worth so many points. And I'm sure Ana hasn't actually won or made as many finals in the last year as Sveta. OK she has the FO final, but that's kinda why everyone remembers her. Ana's other GS's this year: 3rd r AO, F RG, S Wimby, 4th r USO - pretty eveb with Sveta. Lost a round earlier at AO, made a round further at Wimby. Sveta made the QF's twice and a final... plus Ana hasn't done so well at IW and Miami as Sveta did...(3rd r, 2nd r - where Sveta made final of both), other than that, Ana's made 1 tier 1 final, and won a tier 1 and a tier 2 this year - Sveta's clearly one a bit better.
So, to Jj's results... tier 2 sydney - won, AO 4r, IW 4r, Miami 3r, tier 1 charleston - won, tier 1 Rome - won, FO - SF, Wimby r4, Tier 1 Toronto - final, USDO - QF. SO her results are fairly on par with Sveta's, but Sveta won Bali and Beijing last year, which would still be in her results, helping keep her up there.

I don't know why people always bitch and moan about the ranking system. It's there for a reason, the rules are clear for everone - whoever has the most points in a 52 week period from their best 17 will be #1...2n'd best points will be #2. Just because you don't remember the player or what she's doen doesn't mean she doesn't deserve the ranking!

tobi
Sep 9th, 2007, 12:38 AM
With consistent results she got,she deserves her position.

But if you ask me she is geting more respect than she deserves.

I am talking about her game of course.

mauresmofan
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:04 AM
Everytime I see Sveta play it's the same old story. She doesn't think about her shot selection and just pummels the ball whenever there's half a chance for a winner. I'll put it this way if Sveta can play twice as well as in her semi and Justine plays half as well as in her semi Justine will still win such was the difference in standard. Sveta got an easy draw and it was made much easier when Sharapova was upset - that's not her fault and I applaud her for taking full advantage but I feel there were half a dozen girls in the top half who played better than her and aren't in the final.

Pasta-Na
Sep 9th, 2007, 01:21 AM
i respect her... but she made too many UEs against chaky... so its hard for her to beat juju in the final.

Williamsser
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:24 AM
I can see why.

clementine
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:33 AM
After this worst women's final ever, she doesn't deserve any respect.

LudwigDvorak
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:38 AM
For me, I just dislike her game. I respect her ability to play well at times, sometimes even amazingly so, particularly on clay. But she's just boring to watch as far as I'm concerned.

It's Svetlana Kuznetsova. She has several extremely high peaks in her career, but three slam finals and Miami aside, there's not much left to remember with her about. Until she beat Chakvetadze in the semifinal yesterday she had two top 10 wins at a slam ever, at the one she got in 2004. She doesn't match well against the top players, has failed to prove herself consistently in finals this year, and wouldn't even have New Haven if Dementieva and Szavay hadn't been sick or injured.

If anything, I was more impressed with Kuzzie in 2006, she played better last year. Although to be completely fair she's only 22. Put her stats to any other Russian when they were 22 and I'm sure hers are better (though of course Sharapova isn't 22 yet).

I'm used to Sharapova, Mauresmo, Henin, and Clijsters being the elite players. It's not the case anymore. Anything can happen in a transitional period like this.

LoveFifteen
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:39 AM
After this worst women's final ever, she doesn't deserve any respect.

The saddest thing about this hideous, horrendous match is that there have been even worse women's Slam finals.

cellophane
Sep 9th, 2007, 02:45 AM
No surprise why. :o