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fioredeliberi
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:12 AM
This is about the best I have seen the WS play for a long time and Justine still beat them, even though she was playing subpar.
Venus won Wimby, Serena won the AO. Both were playing on their home surface and their daddy was filled with confidence. Now look what happened.
Looks like we have one player who will dominate the WS and never lose to them again. She might even send them into retirement.
It's also interesting how the WS and their daddy always come up with a litany of excuses after they have lost.
The only good thing so far is that Venus was gracious in her inteview after she lost.

Apoleb
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:16 AM
She certainly has their number tactically. She should have won both matches a bit more easily too. But I don't think it will ever be easy. Justine pushed her limits to find the form she showed against the Williamses. I wouldn't say it's her best or it's her peak, but I don't expect her to show that form consistently against other players. She'll only bring it against the Williamses.

Geisha
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:26 AM
This is about the best I have seen the WS play for a long time and Justine still beat them, even though she was playing subpar.
Venus won Wimby, Serena won the AO. Both were playing on their home surface and their daddy was filled with confidence. Now look what happened.
Looks like we have one player who will dominate the WS and never lose to them again. She might even send them into retirement.
It's also interesting how the WS and their daddy always come up with a litany of excuses after they have lost.
The only good thing so far is that Venus was gracious in her inteview after she lost.

Justine was ''subpar''? Riiiiight. Wow, one win against Venus and Serena on a hardcourt means dominance in the future. :s

goldenslam888
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:30 AM
6 titles out of 10, 2 of 3 grand slams, #1 nearly all year. are you sure she isn't dominating already?

DemWilliamsGulls
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:31 AM
Ooooh i doubt that VERY MUCH....people thought the same thing with Sharapova beating Serena a few times and when Capriati beat her a few times. Same thing with Martina Hingis beating both of them....and you see the final result to that. One thing I will say is that Venus and Serena never fear their opponent..even when they happen to loose to them a few times..The Williams Sisters have them on their target...it will only be a short time till they get them back...

Brooklyn90
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:34 AM
It's bar far the best i've seen them play. Especially Serena.

mckyle.
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:36 AM
If Serena wasn't so fat their rivalry would be closer. But Justine definitely has the momentum at the moment.

Reuchlin
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:36 AM
we must remember that Venus/Serena are no longer 19/20/21. They are getting into their late 20s.

mckyle.
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:37 AM
we must remember that Venus/Serena are no longer 19/20/21. They are getting into their late 20s.

and what is Justine? a spring chicken?

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:41 AM
This is about the best I have seen the WS play for a long time and Justine still beat them, even though she was playing subpar.
Venus won Wimby, Serena won the AO. Both were playing on their home surface and their daddy was filled with confidence. Now look what happened.
Looks like we have one player who will dominate the WS and never lose to them again. She might even send them into retirement.
It's also interesting how the WS and their daddy always come up with a litany of excuses after they have lost.
The only good thing so far is that Venus was gracious in her inteview after she lost.

In my opinion, I'm not surprised the WS lost. Mostly because neither was "match tough" from playing matches. Particularly Serena. No, I'm not making excuses, but neither do I believe that Henin played Serena at her best. This has to be a wakeup call to the William's that they HAVE to get their health straight and PLAY some tournaments in order to stay up with where their opponents are, or get used to The Mighty Midget running them down.

Practice alone is not enough. It never has been. There's nothing like preparing the mind and body for competition by being competitive against the best and getting the body and spirit in stride. In my opinion, the William's were able to coast against players when they were young and not play as much, but they're older now. They've got to play the top players more regularly to get to that place where they are still in a league of their own. Right now, they're in Justine's league, and she owns it.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:51 AM
I thought this thread title posed a good question until I read the first post. :rolleyes:

It amazes me how often people underestimate the sisters, especially their pride. :lol: I can all but guarantee you Venus and Serena will be spending a lot of off court time figuring a way to beat Henin. I remember when people were saying similar things about Martina Hingis. The sisters will find a way to make it a TRUE rivalry. There will be no domination.

goldenslam888
Sep 8th, 2007, 04:55 AM
In my opinion, I'm not surprised the WS lost. Mostly because neither was "match tough" from playing matches. Particularly Serena. No, I'm not making excuses, but neither do I believe that Henin played Serena at her best. This has to be a wakeup call to the William's that they HAVE to get their health straight and PLAY some tournaments in order to stay up with where their opponents are, or get used to The Mighty Midget running them down.

Practice alone is not enough. It never has been. There's nothing like preparing the mind and body for competition by being competitive against the best and getting the body and spirit in stride. In my opinion, the William's were able to coast against players when they were young and not play as much, but they're older now. They've got to play the top players more regularly to get to that place where they are still in a league of their own. Right now, they're in Justine's league, and she owns it.

the sisters would need to dedicate themselves 100%, and stay healthy as well. sort of an odd situation for serena being dominated. question is how will she respond to losing? is she an evander holyfied or a mike tyson?

supergrunt
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:12 AM
Both matches were kind of flukes because Serena couldn't bend and Venus was dizzy, so I'm not worried. I'm not even upset. :shrug:

aussie
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:17 AM
Both matches were kind of flukes because Serena couldn't bend and Venus was dizzy, so I'm not worried. I'm not even upset. :shrug:

typical. so much for flukes~

faboozadoo15
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:18 AM
and what is Justine? a spring chicken?

Well Justine may not be much younger, but she's playing her best NOW. That's key. She also doesn't spend much time on the bench and plays a good schedule. When you speak of Justine's best results, you don't have to go back to 2002 or 2001.

starin
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:20 AM
In my opinion, I'm not surprised the WS lost. Mostly because neither was "match tough" from playing matches. Particularly Serena. No, I'm not making excuses, but neither do I believe that Henin played Serena at her best. This has to be a wakeup call to the William's that they HAVE to get their health straight and PLAY some tournaments in order to stay up with where their opponents are, or get used to The Mighty Midget running them down.

Practice alone is not enough. It never has been. There's nothing like preparing the mind and body for competition by being competitive against the best and getting the body and spirit in stride. In my opinion, the William's were able to coast against players when they were young and not play as much, but they're older now. They've got to play the top players more regularly to get to that place where they are still in a league of their own. Right now, they're in Justine's league, and she owns it.

This is true about Serena. But I think Venus pushes her body to the limit, somethings wrong with her in terms of her stamina. She can't play that much. Her body can't take the toll. I think she'll play 2 or 3 years more max.

cnelson575
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:37 AM
Ooooh i doubt that VERY MUCH....people thought the same thing with Sharapova beating Serena a few times and when Capriati beat her a few times. Same thing with Martina Hingis beating both of them....and you see the final result to that. One thing I will say is that Venus and Serena never fear their opponent..even when they happen to loose to them a few times..The Williams Sisters have them on their target...it will only be a short time till they get them back...


I think its a bit premature to call Serena's domination this year of Sharapova the end of
that story. Sharapova's story is far far from over and you never know were it might go.

cnelson575
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:38 AM
Venus was dizzy lol. My god the excuses never end. Whats next Serena had gas?

plantman
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:48 AM
Both matches were kind of flukes because Serena couldn't bend and Venus was dizzy, so I'm not worried. I'm not even upset. :shrug:

Let's not forget that Justine came into the U.S. Open with a questionable shoulder and not match tough either!

goldenslam888
Sep 8th, 2007, 05:48 AM
Ooooh i doubt that VERY MUCH....people thought the same thing with Sharapova beating Serena a few times and when Capriati beat her a few times. Same thing with Martina Hingis beating both of them....and you see the final result to that. One thing I will say is that Venus and Serena never fear their opponent..even when they happen to loose to them a few times..The Williams Sisters have them on their target...it will only be a short time till they get them back...

difference is everyone is beating sharapova, and none of them beat serena in 3 straight slams on different surfaces, and serenas last win in miami, she was bageled. it would really take a historic effort for serena to regain #1, without justines game faltering.

cardio
Sep 8th, 2007, 11:31 AM
I think Justine will dominate womens tennis next 2-3 years. Williams sisters era is over. Their onedimensional powerplay is not good enough to beat Henin in GS tournament. Intimidation factor does not work against Justine any more. Did You notice they did`nt scream as loud as they used to ? They know it is useless waste of energy.Some facts to support my theory:
1)Henin vs Williams sisters 2007 GS tournaments 4:0
2)Last time Serena and Venus won GS title, they did not beat Justine.
3)Last time Serena beat Justine in GS - Wimbledon 2003
4) Last time Venus beat Justine in GS -Australian Open 2003
5) Last 2 years - Serena reached in GS final once
6) Last 2 years - Venus reached in GS final once
7) Last 2 years - Henin reached in GS finals 6 times
Sure, Serena and/ or Venus can win 1-2 GS titles if Henin is injured or playing way below her current level, but bottomline is - their domination is over.
About other players - Sharapova, Jankovic, Ivanovic are not good enough and consistent enough to become a dominant player in near future.

bandabou
Sep 8th, 2007, 11:42 AM
She has the momentum now. What will Venus and Serena do about this new challenge?

Beny
Sep 8th, 2007, 11:46 AM
If she keeps playing like this,she will. Doesn't matter if sisters play 0,1 % or 40% or 100%

mygirlV
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:36 PM
How old are you people?:confused: My goodness, Justine beat Serena and Venus at this tournament, and now they will never beat her again. Is this not the same thing I heard before regarding other players when they beat the sisters, for instance JelenaJ. Everyone thought for sure that Venus was going to lose their QF match-up.
And one other thing: how come it is okay to say that the other player/s were not 100%, but as soon as someone mention that the W/S were not , it's an excuse. Stop with the double standard.
They will play again and it might be a different outcome. I am sure it will.
As Chris Berman says, "That's why they play the game".

rottweily
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:38 PM
Both matches were kind of flukes because Serena couldn't bend and Venus was dizzy, so I'm not worried. I'm not even upset. :shrug:

You are soo funny :lol:

Ballbasher
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:40 PM
No but they'll always have tough matches

TSequoia01
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Dominate the Sisters......don't think so especially not Venus. Right now is Justine's time without a doubt the best the WTA has to offer. But things change so quickly, not that long ago it was the Sisters in every slam final even the French. My only question rests with Serena, is her build once an asset suddenly become a detriment? It seems her body type not typical for a tennis player will not allow her to play. Is it the physics of her anatomy or simply is not fit enough?

Tennisaddict
Sep 8th, 2007, 12:46 PM
Oh please, Venus and Serena did not play their best this tournament. Serena was moving like a snail around the court and definitely wasn't match tough. I mean if she wasn't Serena Williams she would not have even made the last eight while being out of tournies since Wimby. Venus just did not have enough in the tank to compete well enough with Justine. Right now Justine obviously is the best player on the tour. She has presented V&S with a serious challenge and it's up to them to overcome it. If there's anything they relish tough it's a challenge like this. I expect them to meet it. Justine will never dominate them but the rivalry will be much closer. I also think that her win over Venus means less than her wins over Serena. She seems to be in Serena's head since they played in Miami. It's like Serena fears her. Serena had this before with Capriati and Sharapova. When she gets over that it will be a different story.

LANGAM
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:24 PM
It has been said before write the WS off at your own peril. Case closed.



Off topic: my 100th post:woohoo: :woohoo:

Serena_thebest
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:27 PM
no, she can dominate Clijsters, she can dominate Davenport, she can dominate the Russians... but she won't be able to dominate the Williamses the whole time. They are too good :)I'm not saying they're better, but I think the 3 of them will dominate the rest of the tour, but they won't dominate each other...

cardio
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:48 PM
How old are you people?:confused: My goodness, Justine beat Serena and Venus at this tournament, and now they will never beat her again. Is this not the same thing I heard before regarding other players when they beat the sisters, for instance JelenaJ. Everyone thought for sure that Venus was going to lose their QF match-up.
And one other thing: how come it is okay to say that the other player/s were not 100%, but as soon as someone mention that the W/S were not , it's an excuse. Stop with the double standard.
They will play again and it might be a different outcome. I am sure it will.
As Chris Berman says, "That's why they play the game".

It was not only this tournament, it was 3 GS tournaments a row Justine beat Serena. Williamses may sometimes beat Justine again, but not too often. Tables are turned. They are more often injured/ out of shape/ dizzy than Henin ever was.
It must be wonderful to live in dreamland, to live in past. I wish Steffi Graf would be still no 1, I wish Pete Sampras and Stefan Edberg would beat all the nowadays baseline-clowns, but I know it is not going to happen.

mygirlV
Sep 8th, 2007, 01:58 PM
It was not only this tournament, it was 3 GS tournaments a row Justine beat Serena. Williamses may sometimes beat Justine again, but not too often. Tables are turned. They are more often injured/ out of shape/ dizzy than Henin ever was.
It must be wonderful to live in dreamland, to live in past. I wish Steffi Graf would be still no 1, I wish Pete Sampras and Stefan Edberg would beat all the nowadays baseline-clowns, but I know it is not going to happen.

I have come to the conclusion on this board that some people can read, but not all people can comprehend. Where did I say I want W/S to be #1 again? Why is it living in the past that they will beat Henin again? And I guess when they do, her fans will say that she was not 100%.
Who is more injured? I bet you if Henin wins she will not play for a while because her "virus" will be acting up.
One more question. If Henin had lost the match yesterday, what would have been her or her fans excuses?: can't breathe, shoulder, etc... Don't just answer, think about it. With some of you it's all or nothing.

Sund7101
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:23 PM
Never count the Williams sisters out, they'll be back and hopefully Serena will be more motivated. You can't say that Justine will dominate them after beating Venus once and Serena when she's not even close to 100%. I still can't see Justine beating the sisters on grass and on hardcourts on a regular basis---that's ridiculous.

cardio
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:25 PM
I have come to the conclusion on this board that some people can read, but not all people can comprehend. Where did I say I want W/S to be #1 again? Why is it living in the past that they will beat Henin again? And I guess when they do, her fans will say that she was not 100%.
Who is more injured? I bet you if Henin wins she will not play for a while because her "virus" will be acting up.
One more question. If Henin had lost the match yesterday, what would have been her or her fans excuses?: can't breathe, shoulder, etc... Don't just answer, think about it. With some of you it's all or nothing.

By the way, I`m not hardcore Justine fan, I´m just realistic.Who was more successful during last years? Henin. Who was almost ALWAYS injured / out of shape during last couple of years? Williamses. It must be their gamestyle which causes so many injuries.I can say it about Nadal too, gamestyle causes injuries. And if Henin had lost yesterday, of cource no excuses at all. Better player always wins.But wait a minute...she did`nt lose, she won.
P.S: Apparently, You cannot read .I said," Williamses may beat Henin again, but not too often." My opinion is based on facts and results of past couple of years , not on dreams.Their domination is over.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:26 PM
This is about the best I have seen the WS play for a long time and Justine still beat them, even though she was playing subpar.
Venus won Wimby, Serena won the AO. Both were playing on their home surface and their daddy was filled with confidence. Now look what happened.
Looks like we have one player who will dominate the WS and never lose to them again. She might even send them into retirement.
It's also interesting how the WS and their daddy always come up with a litany of excuses after they have lost.
The only good thing so far is that Venus was gracious in her inteview after she lost.

I don't agree with any of that, I would be interested to hear your reasoning and how you reached those conclusions, as from where Im standing you're talking rubbish. :wavey: If you want to see Serena playing better than this USO, I suggest you go on youtube or dailymotion, most of her Miami matches are there. As for Venus if you want to see her play better then check out her 61 61 thrashing of Peer or her demolition of Sharapova at Wimbledon.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:28 PM
It was not only this tournament, it was 3 GS tournaments a row Justine beat Serena. Williamses may sometimes beat Justine again, but not too often. Tables are turned. They are more often injured/ out of shape/ dizzy than Henin ever was.
It must be wonderful to live in dreamland, to live in past. I wish Steffi Graf would be still no 1, I wish Pete Sampras and Stefan Edberg would beat all the nowadays baseline-clowns, but I know it is not going to happen.

Again, how are you extrapolating from three losses in the space of four and half months and saying that Serena will struggle to beat Justine on a regular basis in the future. Especially when those matches she played against Justine were the only tournaments she was entering due to injuries etc. The logic just doesn't bear out what you're saying.

homogenius
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:31 PM
She is 4-1 against the sisters this year (in her only defeat she bagelled Serena and had matchpoints) and 4-0 in slams.She had better results in slams than Serena (even if she didn't play AO) and Venus, had a lot more tournies won, is an undisputed n°1 in both ranking and race...
She dominate them like she dominate the rest of the tour.

Marshmallow
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:35 PM
Oh come on people don't be so ridiculous. Venus is just regaining some consistent form and really went toe to toe with Henin bar errors, Serena is not in the best shape and hasn't been for a while.

Venus and Serena know now that they have competition and have to play well to regain their positions at the top, but i haven't seen anything that has made me think that Serena / Venus playing well and confident < Henin at any time whenever her peak was.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:37 PM
She is 4-1 against the sisters this year (in her only defeat she bagelled Serena and had matchpoints) and 4-0 in slams.She had better results in slams than Serena (even if she didn't play AO) and Venus, had a lot more tournies won, is an undisputed n°1 in both ranking and race...
She dominate them like she dominate the rest of the tour.

Definition of dominating: to rule over; govern; control.
I hardly think a 1-0 record comprising a 76 64 victory is domination. With Serena I'll have to agree with you :o

homogenius
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:45 PM
Definition of dominating: to rule over; govern; control.
I hardly think a 1-0 record comprising a 76 64 victory is domination. With Serena I'll have to agree with you :o

H2H is not the only criteria to see that Henin dominates all the players (Serena and Venus like the others).Venus played a pretty consistent schedule this year (at least nearly the same amount of tournies than Henin) but her only win beside Wimbledon is a TierIII.Look at the difference between the two in the race.And even if we talk only about their game, even if Venus has regained a pretty good form it's not enough against henin (forehand, UE).On the contrary, Henin has improved her game consistently the past few years and in her last two matches she had more winners than Serena and Venus.See the difference ?

Marshmallow
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:46 PM
She is 4-1 against the sisters this year (in her only defeat she bagelled Serena and had matchpoints) and 4-0 in slams.She had better results in slams than Serena (even if she didn't play AO) and Venus, had a lot more tournies won, is an undisputed n°1 in both ranking and race...
She dominate them like she dominate the rest of the tour.

:lol:

People need to stop grouping Venus and Serena as one, because they are in different places. Serena is not fit. She is not in good form, struggled through matchs at the french, wimbledon and the USO. Justine is better than her at the mo, but Serena is hardly peaking.

Venus only started to play well at wimbledon. Before that, she was losing to most players. She needs to work on her fitness, but other than that, she was toe to toe with Henin. How does one victory start to spell out domination?

Marshmallow
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:51 PM
H2H is not the only criteria to see that Henin dominates all the players (Serena and Venus like the others).Venus played a pretty consistent schedule this year (at least nearly the same amount of tournies than Henin) but her only win beside Wimbledon is a TierIII.Look at the difference between the two in the race.And even if we talk only about their game, even if Venus has regained a pretty good form it's not enough against henin (forehand, UE).On the contrary, Henin has improved her game consistently the past few years and in her last two matches she had more winners than Serena and Venus.See the difference ?

Venus has been getting better and better this year, and can get better. If you watch the match yesterday, Venus had opportunities to put away some balls, but did not hit them in smart places and either made the error / hit to henin. Look at that First / Secodn break point in the second to go 4-3 up. The ball was short, she got to it, was in total control and hits it out, when she should have either hit it cross court or IN.

Justine didn't lay on a dominant peformance and both players could have been better. I saw nothing that suggests domination. If maybe she spanked Venus 6-1 6-1 like hingis did back then... then you'd have a cause. But stop being so foolish.

homogenius
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:55 PM
Venus has been getting better and better this year, and can get better. If you watch the match yesterday, Venus had opportunities to put away some balls, but did not hit them in smart places and either made the error / hit to henin. Look at that First / Secodn break point in the second to go 4-3 up. The ball was short, she got to it, was in total control and hits it out, when she should have either hit it cross court or IN.

Justine didn't lay on a dominant peformance and both players could have been better. I saw nothing that suggests domination. If maybe she spanked Venus 6-1 6-1 like hingis did back then... then you'd have a cause. But stop being so foolish.

What ifs...
If Henin hadn't choked a bit the match was finished with a 6-4,6-3 score or something like that.
Results speak for themselves.

cardio
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Again, how are you extrapolating from three losses in the space of four and half months and saying that Serena will struggle to beat Justine on a regular basis in the future. Especially when those matches she played against Justine were the only tournaments she was entering due to injuries etc. The logic just doesn't bear out what you're saying.
It does not matter what are reasons of Williamses losses. Injuries, lack of match practice, whatever. All I said, it is unrealistic to expect Williamses to perform on past level in the future, miracles dont happen in real world. If they are so injured/ out of shape now (and during past couple of years), what are their chances to fully recover and dominate womens tennis again? Where is miracle-doctor to heal their injuries, miracle-coach to teach how to play modern game as well as Justine is playing? In dreamland, it could happen, in real world - no.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 02:59 PM
H2H is not the only criteria to see that Henin dominates all the players (Serena and Venus like the others).Venus played a pretty consistent schedule this year (at least nearly the same amount of tournies than Henin) but her only win beside Wimbledon is a TierIII.Look at the difference between the two in the race.And even if we talk only about their game, even if Venus has regained a pretty good form it's not enough against henin (forehand, UE).On the contrary, Henin has improved her game consistently the past few years and in her last two matches she had more winners than Serena and Venus.See the difference ?

Sorry but you've moved the goal posts now. Before you were talking about Justine dominating Venus, now you're talking about how much Venus and Justine are respectively dominating the rest of the tour vis a vis number of titles won etc. Justine doesn't dominate Venus atm and there's no two ways about it.

Both played a good match and it was close. I think Justine was a lot closer to her very best tennis than Venus was though.

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:01 PM
What ifs...
If Henin hadn't choked a bit the match was finished with a 6-4,6-3 score or something like that.
Results speak for themselves.

If we're going to go on "what if's" then Serena and Venus win hands down. Let's not even go there.

Fidello
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:02 PM
Both matches were kind of flukes because Serena couldn't bend and Venus was dizzy, so I'm not worried. I'm not even upset. :shrug:You're a fluke

Olórin
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:04 PM
It does not matter what are reasons of Williamses losses. Injuries, lack of match practice, whatever. All I said, it is unrealistic to expect Williamses to perform on past level in the future, miracles dont happen in real world. If they are so injured/ out of shape now (and during past couple of years), what are their chances to fully recover and dominate womens tennis again? Where is miracle-doctor to heal their injuries, miracle-coach to teach how to play modern game as well as Justine is playing? In dreamland, it could happen, in real world - no.

Erm ok. I never said they would dominate and be number one and two again. But if you're expecting Justine to have a 4-1 record against the sisters every year for the rest of their careers, then you will surprised I think. That's what I was getting at. There is nothing to suggest Justine will forever have the upperhand with the sisters. They don't even need to play at their former levels of grandeur to beat her, in Serena's case, just how she was playing A0/Miami would be fine :) I've given up waiting for her to recapture 2002 form, believe me!

homogenius
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:08 PM
Sorry but you've moved the goal posts now. Before you were talking about Justine dominating Venus, now you're talking about how much Venus and Justine are respectively dominating the rest of the tour vis a vis number of titles won etc. Justine doesn't dominate Venus atm and there's no two ways about it.

Both played a good match and it was close. I think Justine was a lot closer to her very best tennis than Venus was though.

It's not what I said.I just pointed out that Henin had better results and that she can produce the best level of play all year, on all surfaces (Venus can't say the same).She just beat a pretty good Venus on hard, at home.Will Venus be able to keep her form for all the 2008 year ? We'll see, but given her results in the past few years I doubt it.Henin will.

homogenius
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:09 PM
If we're going to go on "what if's" then Serena and Venus win hands down. Let's not even go there.

I was not the one bringing the "what if's"...

Experimentee
Sep 8th, 2007, 03:13 PM
No way Justine was subpar, that was the best I've seen her play on a hardcourt against a good player.

Serena was definitely not in her best form either, she hadnt played a match since being injured at Wimbledon.

Venus was playing well but I wouldnt say that she will dominate Venus from now on considering how close the match was, it really could have gone either way.