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Cooltrader
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:21 PM
Courier says in pre-match for nite session that Aggies tactics of moving in then back before Maria's serve is bush league.:rolleyes: He sites as an example of chag vs Lendl at French Open one year and Lendl complained to the refs. He says that it is an unwritten rule in the locker room that this tactic is off limits.:fiery: I didn't see anthing wrong with her tactics.:angel: Also Maria didn't complain and in her interview says that she dosen't pay attention to what she was doing.:worship:

ViennaCalling
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:22 PM
Courier :weirdo:

This man is annoying as hell :rolleyes:

goldenlox
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:23 PM
He works with the biggest fucking tool who ever lived, John McEnroe. Call him out on his antics.
Aga did what Venus does, stand in close to return serve.

dansnewbeg
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:25 PM
Is he just upset that Sharapova lost? I'm finding his comments kind of bizarre.

Knizzle
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:25 PM
Well his stance was kinda right IMO, that's just something you stop doing on the pro circuit.

SharapovaFan16
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:25 PM
Courier is old school. It is bush league, but hey it's a new era, and ewww I hate agreeing with Tracy Austin. Radswanka should have tried and returned a serve from there, then really get in Maria's head.

Donny
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:25 PM
Agassi did it ALL the god damn time.

I often agree with Courier, but he's just wrong on this one.

OMFG
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:27 PM
Changing a racket when your opponent is serving for the match point is also bush league. Maria got back what she did numerous times in the past.

saint2
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:31 PM
Who cares about Courier? Even if Aga serve isnt very powerful, her wise game is dangerous especially to slow players, like Maria..

Shinjiro
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:34 PM
Agassi did it ALL the god damn time.

Agassi did it for real, to punish 2nd serves.
I don't mind Radanswka doing what she did, btw.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:35 PM
Courier. :smash:

Ceri
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:46 PM
Well his stance was kinda right IMO, that's just something you stop doing on the pro circuit.

Agreed. Not fun to watch as a fan, irritating as hell for the opponent but perfectly within her rights to do so.

jdyshrky
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:51 PM
His stance is perfectly right. It's a very rude thing to do on court, one of the worst. Very junior, very immature and in this case very effective. Quite pathetic really. I'm disappointed so many people on here seem to think it's a great thing to have done.

Maria's quote in her press conference was nice "I'll be interested to see if she tries it the next time we play".

Andrew Laeddis
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:00 AM
Agreed. Not fun to watch as a fan, irritating as hell for the opponent but perfectly within her rights to do so.

im glad to see someone else realizes that pro players just dont do this but she like chang are/were teenagers.

Marshmallow
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:02 AM
Is it more irritating that screaming like a chicken being stangled during each and every point, even drop shots? Is it more irritating than always having to smooth away nonexistent strands of hair before each and every point dictating the tempo?

Bartoli does it, Venus does it and sharapova herself has done it (like when she played Serena in Miami and other matches). Aga was more blatant but if we are gonna call this gamesmanship - call it all out!

ico4498
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:07 AM
Courier=Carillo disciple?

it'll make the bb circuit without an ounce of credibility.

partbrit
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:27 AM
I'd hate to hear what he said about Bartoli during her Wimbledon match against Henin...

sharapovarulz1
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:31 AM
Well his stance was kinda right IMO, that's just something you stop doing on the pro circuit.

I agree :)

hablo
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:31 AM
Even Ivanovic moves quite a bit while her opponent is serving.

I think Sharpie does too.

Andrew Laeddis
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:32 AM
Is it more irritating that screaming like a chicken being stangled during each and every point, even drop shots? Is it more irritating than always having to smooth away nonexistent strands of hair before each and every point dictating the tempo?

Bartoli does it, Venus does it and sharapova herself has done it (like when she played Serena in Miami and other matches). Aga was more blatant but if we are gonna call this gamesmanship - call it all out!

the players u mentioned dont move as close and they actually return from the position they move to. they dont move and inch away from then move back.

goldenlox
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:33 AM
If you have Sharapova tape at Wimbly 2004, she was dancing when Lindsay was about to serve.
Like I said, if Courier really believes in tennis ethics, then confront McEnroe, who did much worse than stand close to return serve.

MisterMan
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:33 AM
LIke Pierce vs. Dementieva, whatever it takes to win.
Do whatever it takes.

matty
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:35 AM
Sharapova pulls the same kind of crap, gimee a break...........

matty
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:36 AM
Courier has the hots for Maria...

.ivy.
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:39 AM
Please.

If that's Bush League, then I don't know what league stopping play during a game to get a new racquet is.

Andrew Laeddis
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:40 AM
LIke Pierce vs. Dementieva, whatever it takes to win.
Do whatever it takes.

that was ridiculous also

Sally Todd
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:44 AM
Jim Courier's thoughts on women's tennis are bush league. He's as clueless as McEnroe. :rolleyes:

But I'll say this -- anyone calling out a Sharapova opponent for gamesmanship is hilarious! :lol: I'm glad I've lived to see the day! :lol: (And no, I'm not an anti-Maria troll.)

Anyone notice how quiet Carillo got about Radwanska's neo-Hingis talents the more it became apparent that the money train, I mean Maria, was leaving town? ;)

Media kissassery at its finest. Watch US commentators have aneurysms as the game becomes more international and diverse.

AcesHigh
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:45 AM
:weirdo: Please, this is the big leagues and if you can't handle someone changing position during/before/after your serve than you def. don't belong in the upper echelon of the sport.
Only in tennis, will you see strategy that IS NOT cheating and could barely be seen as blatantly unsportsmanlike constantly being complained about.

Infiniti2001
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:49 AM
He works with the biggest fucking tool who ever lived, John McEnroe. Call him out on his antics.
Aga did what Venus does, stand in close to return serve.

Yes Venus stands in close, but she never moves around like Radwanska did today :shrug: P.S. not that I think she was doing it deliberately. :eek:

Midnite Surfer
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:49 AM
Let's get something straight. Venus, Serena and Seles move in on other player's serves and stay there. They don't move in and dance around to distract their opponent and then move back right before the ball toss which is what Radwanska did today. Venus, Serena and Monica move into the court to take the ball early taking time away from thir opponent and intimidating the opponent with their powerful returns.

Radwanska was trying to distract or disturb Maria. That is very different.


Is it more irritating that screaming like a chicken being stangled during each and every point, even drop shots? Is it more irritating than always having to smooth away nonexistent strands of hair before each and every point dictating the tempo?

Bartoli does it, Venus does it and sharapova herself has done it (like when she played Serena in Miami and other matches). Aga was more blatant but if we are gonna call this gamesmanship - call it all out!

gumoll
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:51 AM
did Maria after that match tell in an interview that it was annoying??? :scratch:
answer: NO!!!

Andrew Laeddis
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:52 AM
Let's get something straight. Venus, Serena and Seles move in on other player's serves and stay there. They don't move in and dance around to distract their opponent and then move back right before the ball toss which is what Radwanska did today. Venus, Serena and Monica move into the court to take the ball early taking time away from thir opponent and intimidating the opponent with their powerful returns.

Radwanska was trying to distract or disturb Maria. That is very different.

agreed. venus serena and monica dont have to resort to that to win.

scoobsuk
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:54 AM
I take the view that the returner is entitled to position themselves to return wherever the hell they want as long as it's not inside the service box. They can stand to return on the other side of the court to which the serve is coming, if they want, though it won't be very effective. They can move forward or backward or side to side or both and that should be, and as far as I know, is allowed. As long as they're not, like, calling out or waving their arms around or popping a boob out to intentionally put the server off, I don't see why not. The server should be concentrating on their service action and not allowing themselves to be distracted, anyway. I don't know about the etiquette of this but it seems like a perfectly valid tactic to me :shrug:

Midnite Surfer
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:54 AM
So I guess anything is acceptable? Can you pull your dress up and distract your opponent? Can you do the moonwalk? If you move in and wait for the return that's fine, but moving in, dancing around and then moving back to baseline again is gamesmanship and actually kind of tacky.

:weirdo: Please, this is the big leagues and if you can't handle someone changing position during/before/after your serve than you def. don't belong in the upper echelon of the sport.
Only in tennis, will you see strategy that IS NOT cheating and could barely be seen as blatantly unsportsmanlike constantly being complained about.

gumoll
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:56 AM
to beat Sharapova do the "Radwańska dance" :yippee: :dance:

Midnite Surfer
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:58 AM
I don't think there should be a rule change or anything I just can't imagine it would win a player any fans. A least not the kind of fans any self respecting player would want. Distracting someone in order to prevent them from executing their game is poor sportsmanship. It doesn't matter if it's before or during the point. It's no different than fans who make their mobile phones ring to distract a player during their serve.


I take the view that the returner is entitled to position themselves to return wherever the hell they want as long as it's not inside the service box. They can stand to return on the other side of the court to which the serve is coming, if they want, though it won't be very effective. They can move forward or backward or side to side or both and that should be, and as far as I know, is allowed. As long as they're not, like, calling out or waving their arms around or popping a boob out to intentionally put the server off, I don't see why not. The server should be concentrating on their service action and not allowing themselves to be distracted, anyway. I don't know about the etiquette of this but it seems like a perfectly valid tactic to me :shrug:

Sally Todd
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:58 AM
to beat Sharapova do the "Radwańska dance" :yippee: :dance:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Even better than the Humpty Dance, the Bird, or the Twist!

But don't forget to play smart points as well! ;)

mykarma
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:59 AM
Courier is old school. It is bush league, but hey it's a new era, and ewww I hate agreeing with Tracy Austin. Radswanka should have tried and returned a serve from there, then really get in Maria's head.
She didn't need to.

mykarma
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:00 AM
His stance is perfectly right. It's a very rude thing to do on court, one of the worst. Very junior, very immature and in this case very effective. Quite pathetic really. I'm disappointed so many people on here seem to think it's a great thing to have done.

Maria's quote in her press conference was nice "I'll be interested to see if she tries it the next time we play".
Since so many people feel that way ever thought that perhaps you might be wrong. :confused:

Donny
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:01 AM
From Bodo's blog:

There's some kind of an aggression thing going on here, and that was also on display on the court, where Radwanska basically taunted Sharapova by creeping far into the court when she was looking at a second serve, a ploy that appeared to unnerve the defending champ. Although she had a respectable 66 per cent first serve percentage, she hit only two aces and an even dozen double faults - although she clocked most of them in the middle set, which she dominated.

There's a fine example of a useless statistic for you!

But more importantly, Radwanska said, "Yeah. I knew that she (Sharapova) doesn't like it if somebody is moving (around) when she serving. She was also nervous with this, so I was trying to do something like this. . . Yeah, I have to do it because she's playing very strong like every shot, so I have to do it. I have to do it before her, so, yeah, I was trying playing everything."

In her own presser later, Sharapova replied to this boast with a glowering, "It will be interesting to see if she does it again the next time I play her."

This is a fairly puzzling comment; what is Radwanska going to do, abandon the tactic? Or get all bent out of shape because using it offended Sharapova? Wow. I beat Maria Sharapova, the defending champ and No. 2 seed in the US Open, by moving in on her serve. I'd better not try that again!

LoveFifteen
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:01 AM
Let's get something straight. Venus, Serena and Seles move in on other player's serves and stay there. They don't move in and dance around to distract their opponent and then move back right before the ball toss which is what Radwanska did today. Venus, Serena and Monica move into the court to take the ball early taking time away from thir opponent and intimidating the opponent with their powerful returns.

Radwanska was trying to distract or disturb Maria. That is very different.

Agree 100%.

Agassi also moved in and stayed there. Radwanska moved in, then ran backwards all the way to the baseline while Maria was tossing the ball. In any case, it's not against the rules and players are allowed to do what they want to win. It's up to each individual to decide what is acceptable.

scoobsuk
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:03 AM
I don't think there should be a rule change or anything I just can't imagine it would win a player any fans. A least not the kind of fans any self respecting player would want. Distracting someone in order to prevent them from executing their game is poor sportsmanship. It doesn't matter if it's before or during the point. It's no different than fans who make their mobile phones ring to distract a player during their serve.

There are many ways to distract a player while in a match - most players use one tactic or another. Bathroom breaks, injury timeouts, holding up the server by wandering off then raising a hand in fake apology, starting an argument with the umpire...the list goes on. It doesn't seem to trouble their fans any.

You can call this an underhand tactic - personally, I think it's fair enough - more fair than some of the other antics that go on.

Midnite Surfer
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:03 AM
Actually yes. it is more annoying than all of those things you mentioned. Smoothing hair away is equatable with someone jumping around like a frog around the service line and then running back in order to deliberately distract you? And grunting doesn't distract me. I've seen all of those girls you mentioned win points while they were quiet and while they were screaming. A winner is a winner whether there's a scream along with it or not.


Is it more irritating that screaming like a chicken being stangled during each and every point, even drop shots? Is it more irritating than always having to smooth away nonexistent strands of hair before each and every point dictating the tempo?

Bartoli does it, Venus does it and sharapova herself has done it (like when she played Serena in Miami and other matches). Aga was more blatant but if we are gonna call this gamesmanship - call it all out!

delicatecutter
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:08 AM
Under ordinary circumstances I'd say Aga was out of line. But I felt like I was watching Big Brother and Aga was "America's Player". I didn't care what she did as long as she got Maria out of tournament by any (legal non-violent) means necessary.

And I agree with the previous posters who think it is truly fitting that someone out-gamesmanshipped Sharapova, who is the queen of that endeavor. She deserved it for all her antics over the years. :worship:

BlakerB
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:11 AM
He works with the biggest fucking tool who ever lived, John McEnroe. Call him out on his antics.
Aga did what Venus does, stand in close to return serve.

Was agreeing what you until you got here. Venus stands in. When she's in, she doesn't move back. Aga did that. What Aga did wasn't illegal. But she didn't do what Venus does. Venus goes inside the baseline and stays there. Aga went as close in as she could, and when Sharapova started to serve, she stepped back. :tape: :lol: :help:

BlakerB
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:16 AM
Let's get something straight. Venus, Serena and Seles move in on other player's serves and stay there. They don't move in and dance around to distract their opponent and then move back right before the ball toss which is what Radwanska did today. Venus, Serena and Monica move into the court to take the ball early taking time away from thir opponent and intimidating the opponent with their powerful returns.

Radwanska was trying to distract or disturb Maria. That is very different.

Didn't see this post, but I agree 100% :bowdown:

Veronique
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:19 AM
I usually like Courier as a commentator, but he's so wrong on this one. I'm glad Maria is mature enough not to use this as the reason for her loss. Any other top player would have taken it to Agi. You put yourself in the line of fire, you have yourself to blame. This worked b/c Maria isn't that confident with her 2nd serve.

Veronique
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:22 AM
I've seen players like Andy Roddick stand on the baseline, then move back once the serve is hit. Nobody ever complains about it.

clementine
Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:10 AM
Once again Courier gets my respect. :hatoff:

LeonHart
Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:13 AM
Courier was sooo pissed :lol:

He even tried to fight Tracy during the Peer/Vaidisova match, about the challenging system.

Tracy argued that if you want to challenge a ball midpoint, the player should challenge without the rally ending.

Courier had a stick up his ass or something and got on Tracy.

kinglear
Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:19 AM
Courier can't be serious. :rolleyes:

freeandlonely
Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:19 AM
Can someone explain to me what is bush league?thx

woosey
Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:22 AM
Can someone explain to me what is bush league?thx

basically uncouth or low class or heathen thing to do.

bush=forest, jungle, middle of nowhere, "lacking civilization"...

kinglear
Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:23 AM
Didn't see this post, but I agree 100% :bowdown:

Oh come on, I totatlly disagree. Sharapova's screaming is a distraction; I get distracted by her screams just watching the matches. :o

moon
Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:32 AM
:p Courier was sooo pissed :lol:

He even tried to fight Tracy during the Peer/Vaidisova match, about the challenging system.

Tracy argued that if you want to challenge a ball midpoint, the player should challenge without the rally ending.

Courier had a stick up his ass or something and got on Tracy.

this is the explanation right here for Jim Courier.
He's been bitching about women's tennis all week! This just gave him something else to rant and rave about. I'm just glad Tracy stood up to him and didn't punk out like she normally does.

btw--It was gamesmanship, but Sharpy fell for it so....oh well! :p

Greenout
Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:36 AM
basically uncouth or low class or heathen thing to do.

bush=forest, jungle, middle of nowhere, "lacking civilization"...


Right, Courier is trying to say Radwanska is a total amateur which I find really insulting considering she's not a journeywoman or a none player. This girl won two junior grand slam titles. She's suppose to have a big match to breakout and this was it today.

I hope that the American hyped media won't jump on this Courier comment and dismiss what's the biggest event in a junior player's career to make it in the WTA. If it was an American junior he wouldn't have said that, but there are no American girls good enough to win Junior grand slam titles so we shall never know if he bitch in the future grand slams.

Marty-Dom
Sep 2nd, 2007, 02:39 AM
Let's get something straight. Venus, Serena and Seles move in on other player's serves and stay there. They don't move in and dance around to distract their opponent and then move back right before the ball toss which is what Radwanska did today. Venus, Serena and Monica move into the court to take the ball early taking time away from thir opponent and intimidating the opponent with their powerful returns.

Radwanska was trying to distract or disturb Maria. That is very different.

BFD! Radwanska has always played a bit unconventionally. I saw her hitting dropshots off the opponent's first serve before. Just because you don't see a tactic much, doesn't make it bush league. People adjust their position all the time when returning serve in anticipation of the direction. A-Rad did it a bit more than you normally see from players on the tour. It's not against the rules and Courier was just wrong. Maybe other players should take a hint and send her a thank you note after they beat Maria.
Changing rackets mid game and going to the bathroom in order to disrupt your opponent are blatant breaches of the rules. Moving during receiving serve is a part of the game.

woosey
Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:17 AM
BFD! Radwanska has always played a bit unconventionally. I saw her hitting dropshots off the opponent's first serve before. Just because you don't see a tactic much, doesn't make it bush league. People adjust their position all the time when returning serve in anticipation of the direction. A-Rad did it a bit more than you normally see from players on the tour. It's not against the rules and Courier was just wrong. Maybe other players should take a hint and send her a thank you note after they beat Maria.
Changing rackets mid game and going to the bathroom in order to disrupt your opponent are blatant breaches of the rules. Moving during receiving serve is a part of the game.

chak drop shot venus on a serve last time they played. it wasn't nice but it worked. it was clever and unexpected.

i would not put that or aga's movement in the same category as hingis serving to graf underhanded during the french open. it was legal, but it was, well, underhanded.

oreot23
Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:19 AM
i 100% agree with Austin. If you see a tactic work why not keep using it . If you,me,or even Jim Courier was playing the #2 player in the world and defending champion and we saw that that little tactic was given you points and messing your opponent you'd keep doing it . Your not gonna stop something that can help you gain
the win of your life just because a commentator said it was an unspoken rule not to do so.

sweetpeas
Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:24 AM
Maria should of done it to, right?

2moretogo
Sep 2nd, 2007, 03:26 AM
It was sportmanship, but like I said, in the other thread, what was Aga supposed to do stand there as cone for Maria to wail at? Sorry, I didn't wanna see a repeat of round one and two. I would also like to say that Maria was double faulting even when Aga wasn't moving in. Finally, what did Maria do about it? Nothing, absolutely nothing. She didn't attempt to jam Aga, didn't punish Aga's own serve in anyway and she had second serves to step into and take a crack at. Maria did not play like a top 10 player today.

njnetswill
Sep 2nd, 2007, 04:36 AM
I'm a Sharapove fan but I have to admit, if she is truly a champ and a fighter Aga's actions would not have affected her. :shrug:

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 2nd, 2007, 04:40 AM
I'm a Sharapove fan but I have to admit, if she is truly a champ and a fighter Aga's actions would not have affected her. :shrug:

Agreed! Shapo should have put one right down her throat (or at least into her knee caps, laughed it off and kept on going.

darrinbaker00
Sep 2nd, 2007, 04:44 AM
Agreed! Shapo should have put one right down her throat (or at least into her knee caps, laughed it off and kept on going.
If you hit your opponent on the fly with your serve, you win the point. If Radwanska does that again, I expect Sharapova to do just that.

Dawn Marie
Sep 2nd, 2007, 04:52 AM
Jim Courier is basically talking crap about the WTA tour by ragging on this kid. She did nothing wrong. He uses the media to spin a bunch of bullshit to the tennis fans about these ladies! I'm starting to really dislike that BITCH,JIM!!

If anyone acts like a heathen on the court is is Maria! Which I don't think she does but if you want to call a player a "bush league" then keep it real. This girl won junior slams. She deserves credit.

Hingis hit a underhand serve, was Jim pissing in his panties then? BITCH!

Paneru
Sep 2nd, 2007, 04:58 AM
Oh, I'm so glad someone made a thread!
He is just so utterly annoying and pompous!

If what she did was "bush league", then
6-time Slam Champ Venus Williams is as well.

i.e. 04' US Open 2nd rd(?) against Shikha Uberoi.
Shikha's 1st and second serve were so bad that Venus
was like a step behind the service line. And the only reason
Uberoi got that 1st set to 7-5 was because Venus' game was so
shaky.

It's fair game! And if as a player one doesn't like it, it means
you are probably one with a sucky 2nd serve and need to do something
about it. Not whimper over the opponent klnowing it and exploiting it!

"Old School" my foot! Just some stuffed shirts that IMO believe they
are holding on to some kind of "sporting" ways which never were. IMO,
this is the equivalent to people acting as if a player is unsportsmanlike
if they don't put up a hand for a lucky netcord. If you want to, that's fine.
But their is no need to complain if someone doesn't want to.

Also, kudos to Maria for not
even buying into this type of thing.


BTW, one of the few times I was totally
behind Tracy, though IMO their is nothing brash
about it. "It's the game", play or step aside.

Oh, and he is also ridiculous for his
constant belittling of the women. Talk
about protesting too much. Insecure about
something he is.

drake3781
Sep 2nd, 2007, 04:58 AM
I think I agree with Courier. But I'm pretty old fashioned when it comes to sportsmanship.

Doesn't mean she cannot do it, but that she will lose respect of a certain contingent of fans.

darrinbaker00
Sep 2nd, 2007, 05:17 AM
I think I agree with Courier. But I'm pretty old fashioned when it comes to sportsmanship.

Doesn't mean she cannot do it, but that she will lose respect of a certain contingent of fans.
She will also lose zero sleep tonight. ;)

dybbuk
Sep 2nd, 2007, 05:32 AM
Courier and some of the people here are infuriating. In a sport of accused rigging, 20 minute injury timeouts, bathroom breaks when your opponent has the momentum, and on-court coaching (At times when it is not allowed), I find it weird that people are having a cow over an 18 year old moving during the defending champion's serve. What she did was not illegal, and is quite miniscule in comparison to other things that go on in tennis. People need to stop picking apart anything and everything. She did nothing wrong, get over it. :shrug:

jazzfuzion
Sep 2nd, 2007, 05:39 AM
nah what she did was perfectly fine.if it was that distracting to sharapova,she should have done something.

either way,a world number 2 cannot possibly be distracted by something as minor as this.

Bruno71
Sep 2nd, 2007, 06:16 AM
I actually agree it was somewhat "bush league" but it was legal and she did it...and it was effective. Maria herself said after beating Schnyder at RG that she's "not Mother Teresa out there." She more than anyone else understands that you do anything within the rules to win. I'm not saying that's right, but she's certainly the last player to complain about Aga's tactic, and she didn't.

Dawn Marie
Sep 2nd, 2007, 06:34 AM
Aggie played smart tennis! She is a champion and kicked many top players asses this year!!!

Top players use all kinds of tatics and to single out Aggie jus because she beat the IT girl on Natioal Television is disgusting and pathetic!

If you want to break it down then Maria should not scream!! Nor being COACHED to eat a Bannana during changeover!! Legal coaching should not be allowed!! No bathroom breaks!! when you cramp tou only get 3 minutes for the same injury!!

Leave this talented girl who won fair and square alone!! Maria was serving horribly without this girl doing her tennis job!

Aggie,found a way to rattle Sharapova while serving and more girls will use the tatic. It sure worked with Maria's help!

Paneru
Sep 2nd, 2007, 06:39 AM
What's even funnier is that Courier said tennis
needs less of JMac's "Conflict Resolution" and
more of what JMac did as a player.

So, screaming, yelling, and acting a fool ala JMac
(or Roddick when a player steps to him in a manner he
doesn't like and after point's and during changeover's
he's starring his opponent down while talking smack)is okay,
but Aga stepping in to challenge a weak serve is "bush league"?

Yeah, whatever.

Drake1980
Sep 2nd, 2007, 06:43 AM
Aga did nothing wrong!!!! She played an amazing match and deserved the win!:D

hectopascal
Sep 2nd, 2007, 06:44 AM
I was quite surprised to see that Radwanska only won 85 points to Maria's 84, so the match was much closer than the impression I got from Maria's interview. Perhaps it was Radwanska's tactics that helped her to win the match after all, with 12 DFs from Maria! If it's within the rules, I don't see how Courier can call it 'bush league' unless he's just using any opportunity to diss the ladies.

cheo23
Sep 2nd, 2007, 07:38 AM
To be FaiR, Maria aLso mOveS around when heR oppoNEnts are sErviNg too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Myggen
Sep 2nd, 2007, 08:00 AM
It is just so ironic that Sharapova's opponent is being blamed to be bush league and use gamesmanship...

Martian Willow
Sep 2nd, 2007, 09:30 AM
What league is holding your racquet in your left hand while your opponent is serving then lying about it to the umpire in?

terjw
Sep 2nd, 2007, 10:06 AM
I had the utmost respect for Courier as a player but not as a commentator on the women's game. I can't believe that he's come out with that. I'm glad Tracy stood up to those comments and didn't let him get away with that.

I thought Radwanska's tactics were not underhand in any way. They had real purpose to them and good for her to put pressure on the #2 player in the world. She knew Maria was having trouble with her second serve so she moved right up the court to pressurise her further - good on her. She didn't want to actually receive serve that close so before Maria had actually started her toss she had moved back but still well inside the baseline. She was not moving around trying to distract Maria actually during Maria's serve and was not moving before that without a well thought out strategy simply to distract Maria on her serve. Otherwise she could have done it from side to side say on her first serve.

Vamos Feńa
Sep 2nd, 2007, 11:38 AM
Courier says in pre-match for nite session that Aggies tactics of moving in then back before Maria's serve is bush league.:rolleyes:

Well at least it was funny :) the audience was laughing;)

Marshmallow
Sep 2nd, 2007, 06:16 PM
Let's get something straight. Venus, Serena and Seles move in on other player's serves and stay there. They don't move in and dance around to distract their opponent and then move back right before the ball toss which is what Radwanska did today. Venus, Serena and Monica move into the court to take the ball early taking time away from thir opponent and intimidating the opponent with their powerful returns.

Radwanska was trying to distract or disturb Maria. That is very different.

Miscommunication.

I made the mistake of putting Venus and Serena in that list, like seles they move in to return early, but undoubtedly ALSO to put pressure on the opponents serve and to intimidate. The latter may be unintentional at first, but after a while you know the effect of moving in.

What i meant to say when i wrote - they all do it, i meant the dancing around. Not Venus, Serena or Seles - my list should have been Bartoli, Razanno, Cornet, and Maria Sharapova herself (and ANA IVANOVIC). I have seen her dancing around like its a dance floor on her opponents serve. I think she did it to Venus in wimbledon, Ana at the french, and Serena in Miami. If in doubt, i provide evidence in this:

To be FaiR, Maria aLso mOveS around when heR oppoNEnts are sErviNg too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So can someone therefore explain to me why dancing around is major headline of today, when it's been going around on the tour for a while. Why is Courier blind when Maria does it, but fiesty when it's done to her. Aga's only problem is that she was blatant, because from the responses in this thread - it's not the moving in that was this issue, but the moving around/back.

drake3781
Sep 2nd, 2007, 06:34 PM
I had the utmost respect for Courier as a player but not as a commentator on the women's game. I can't believe that he's come out with that. I'm glad Tracy stood up to those comments and didn't let him get away with that.

I thought Radwanska's tactics were not underhand in any way. They had real purpose to them and good for her to put pressure on the #2 player in the world. She knew Maria was having trouble with her second serve so she moved right up the court to pressurise her further - good on her. She didn't want to actually receive serve that close so before Maria had actually started her toss she had moved back but still well inside the baseline. She was not moving around trying to distract Maria actually during Maria's serve and was not moving before that without a well thought out strategy simply to distract Maria on her serve. Otherwise she could have done it from side to side say on her first serve.

Um, she said directly that she was doing it purposefully to distract Maria, becasue she knew Maria gets distracted by it. She said it immediately after the match.

urklerlay
Sep 2nd, 2007, 06:44 PM
I agree w/ Courier...if it wasn't bush league then you would see this tatic in every match.

But you don't, now do you?

jenny161185
Sep 2nd, 2007, 06:46 PM
this happens all the time in tennis - its funny there are so many things which Sharapova could be criticised about but yet she never is,one time I saw her play a drop shot and she did her usual scream as she was playing it, and as someone else said shes always moving around when opponents are serving!

A'DAM
Sep 2nd, 2007, 06:47 PM
Well it is a proffesional sport! You gotta do whats neccesarry (within the rules) to make your money!

By the way Maria's screaming is more bush league IMHO

Chrissie-fan
Sep 2nd, 2007, 07:00 PM
Jim Courier is snore league. :yawn: :zzz:

Stingray
Sep 2nd, 2007, 07:39 PM
Its gamesmanship, same as dubious bathroom breaks or perhaps screaming a bit louder than normal, same as staring down your opponent or taking time to serve/receive. I'm not condemning it but lets call a spade a spade. Sharapova gets dragged up loads on it, don't see why Aga shouldn't either

spriwi
Sep 2nd, 2007, 07:44 PM
courier :help:

drake3781
Sep 2nd, 2007, 07:56 PM
this happens all the time in tennis - its funny there are so many things which Sharapova could be criticised about but yet she never is,one time I saw her play a drop shot and she did her usual scream as she was playing it, and as someone else said shes always moving around when opponents are serving!

Sharpie is criticized all the time (and rightly so, IMO).

Brashkoala
Sep 2nd, 2007, 09:31 PM
jim courier is a massive tool. he is so annoying. he constantly says how the women play without any strategy and how they are all boring. here comes, aggie, who uses strategy and is fiesty and he calls her bushleauge. he is a massive tool.