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Yonexforever
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:11 PM
WHat da hell has Jim Courier been smoking?
Stepping in a few feet on an opponents serve is well within the rules, and its called INTIMIDATION!

Just like going for the head or the body at the net!!!

Its not nice, but its well within the rules!!

champGS1452
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:12 PM
Seriously,he needed to calm down and shut the hell up. If an american man did it,he would say the exact same thing as Tracy did. For once I was on Tracy's side. They were started to get heated :lol:

Yonexforever
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:14 PM
He was being really shitty about it too... stick to the men Jim!

SvetaPleaseWin.
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:17 PM
sharapova should be able to get over someone moving about on return of serve, loads of players do it
i think all the UEs masha made had more to do with this result than aga moving around on return ;)

DemWilliamsGulls
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:18 PM
NObody care what Jim Courier or Tracy says..they are has beens...who cares what they say.

jfk
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:18 PM
Courier has been annoying the entire week. He's the USA Network's version of Brad Gilbert.

abayen
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:20 PM
Ugh, it was not about stepping in.. It was about moving back and forth while your opponent is serving. There's a big difference.
Most of you would say the same thing if it happened to a player you liked. Well said Jim.

ASP0315
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:21 PM
Aga played a fair game and it is within the rules.
If anyone talks about breaking rules it is sharapova. She got many with on court coaching at USO last year. She intentionally grunts loudly to distract opponents. If anyone uses gamenship sharapova is number in that category.

Serval
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:24 PM
It's always nice to see the word "arse" in use, it's become a bit of an endangered species these days.

Yonexforever
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:25 PM
It's always nice to see the word "arse" in use, it's become a bit of an endangered species these days.

LOL
:wavey:

Bayo
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:26 PM
Courier hates women's tennis. Whatever he says is irrelevant.

Lulu.
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:27 PM
It was a smart tactic. She got inside Maria's head hence the double faults

Yonexforever
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:28 PM
Lets hope I never find myself siding with that annoying twit Austin anytime soon!!!!

Thanx Jim... u r a arsewipe!

Knizzle
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:31 PM
I think it was gamesmanship simply because she had no intention of returning the serve from there, just trying to psych pova out. Now Serena and Venus INTIMIDATE and they don't BACK UP when they come in on Pova's serve.

njnetswill
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:35 PM
Courier :smash:

jdyshrky
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:39 PM
God, did anyone here actually see the match?! Does anyone here actually play tennis?! She was moving back and forth and front and back extremely quickly and very deliberately as Maria served. Note: as Maria served.

I think Courier should know what he's talking about.

People here still seem to think that gamesmanship is about cheating or breaking the rules, euggh, get it through your fat heads, it's not, it's about using dubious tactics and thats what she did.

Knizzle makes a fair point, there was no way she was going to return, she was moving up in order to make space to jump back while Maria was tossing. Bartoli actually stands in pretty far and plants herself to return from that distance. Okay, Maria had a lot more going on that just her standing in but it was a clear tactic and that's what we're saying.

No one is saying it's cheating, as it's not, it is just a questionable tactic, ie, in the very grey area between fair and unfair. Not definitively one or the other.

njnetswill
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:43 PM
The problem with Courier's comments is that he has this angelic standard for players to live by, but he casually ignores behavior by other players. What about Roddick's jackass attitude and profanity when things don't go his way? What about Serena/Maria's yowling and Serena's exhuberant celebrations of points? Novak/Nadal's slow pace? Medical timeouts/rubdowns? There are plenty of things going on in tennis, and Radwanska's moving in while receiving is hardly the most bothersome.

Thanx4nothin
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:47 PM
It was definitely gamesmanship, but they both used gamesmanship out there with the strategic toilet breaks etc. so for Maria, it's kinda a 'You live by the sword, you die by the sword' scenario.

jdyshrky
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:48 PM
yeah njnetswill but you might have forgotten that maybe he was ASKED to comment on the Sharapova match...if you follow your argument he'd have been discussing current affairs and global warming cos "there's plenty of things going on"...ask him to comment on these other player's matters and he would, no?

njnetswill
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:51 PM
yeah njnetswill but you might have forgotten that maybe he was ASKED to comment on the Sharapova match...if you follow your argument he'd have been discussing current affairs and global warming cos "there's plenty of things going on"...ask him to comment on these other player's matters and he would, no?

He has talked about the issues I mentioned, but he didn't start ranting about "the sacred unwritten rules in pro locker rooms" or whatever he was getting so excited about with Radwanska. He called Aga's actions "completely unacceptable" and basically suggested that the other girls should give her a hard time for doing it. To me it was kind of strange how passionate he was about this one thing, as if this teenage girl had raped the game of tennis or something. :shrug:

Andrew Laeddis
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:54 PM
WHat da hell has Jim Courier been smoking?
Stepping in a few feet on an opponents serve is well within the rules, and its called INTIMIDATION!

Just like going for the head or the body at the net!!!

Its not nice, but its well within the rules!!

venus and serna step in a few feet. this girl was practically at net and she wasnt even returning from where she was moving up. she was doing it and then moving right back. i dont think its gamesmanship but you had maria done it then everybody on this board would have called it that.

ico4498
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:57 PM
intimidation=gamesmanship (aint a single instance of someone jumping the net and beating her opponent senseless) ...

time to get in your opponent's head. only instance that bothered me was Justine's hand trickery, just 'cause she plainly lied.

jdyshrky
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:58 PM
I'm all for passion when it comes to tennis, that's what the commentators are there for, their opinions. I guess we all just come at things from different angles. I'm not extremely angry about what happened, I thought it was an awesome match, I really thoroughly enjoyed it. But in saying that I would stand by the quote that her actions here "totally unacceptable" as for a tennis player so see someone act that way on court sends a bad impression to other players, it takes away from the game. Why shake hands with a player or why bother taking part in the pre match warm up then? I guess it's not so much a slippery slope but just exposing sides of the game that take away from it's beauty. I can't think of anyone who would like to watch one player being treated unfairly by another player's actions.

Like I said, different people have contrasting views on the incident. Everyone in tennis circles will think slightly less of her for doing so but that's no skin off my nose.

DavenportForever
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:01 AM
Courier hates women's tennis. Whatever he says is irrelevant.

i agree, he disagrees with equal pay:rolleyes:
i sort of agree with tracy, you do what u have to do to win.

WF4EVER
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:07 AM
The mute button is the best invention in the world. I can't stand to listen to that idiot especially commentating men's matches. He can be downright nauseating.

I hate these commentators; they totally lack any objectivity, some of them even let their jealousy come thru their commentary which is so unprofessional.

matty
Sep 2nd, 2007, 12:51 AM
Sharapova totally uses her screams to intimidate her opponents. She turns her back on them before they serve. Changes her racquet to mess up her opponents rythm and to get out of a jam. Courier just has the hots for Maria.

Yonexforever
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:23 AM
Sharapova totally uses her screams to intimidate her opponents. She turns her back on them before they serve. Changes her racquet to mess up her opponents rythm and to get out of a jam. Courier just has the hots for Maria.

I was with u till u mentioned "hot for Maria"
NOT!!!!!
:(

Black Mamba.
Sep 2nd, 2007, 01:30 AM
It was gamesmanship but when you factor in Maria's use of Bananas I mean coaching, her screams, etc I don't have a problem with what the other player did.