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Wannabeknowitall
Sep 1st, 2007, 10:33 PM
I just don't know why she's out there.

Like a Jankovic there are going to be times where she's going to have to fight and use her experience to grind out a win.

Unlike Jankovic I'm not seeing the effort.

I don't know how long Martina is not going to be around.
We might find ourselves another player taking a "long break".

Discuss.

#1SteffiGraf#1
Sep 1st, 2007, 10:35 PM
She was physically tired.

Im sure she did not want to get bageled sir...that is motivation enough to play hard.

hingis-seles
Sep 1st, 2007, 10:38 PM
I don't see where the lack of motivation is coming from. She and the rest of the world know what her weaknesses are. She's not willing to put in the time and the effort to work on them. She can't possible expect any more than what she's getting. Is she lazy?

It seems to me it's more of a case not having that burning desire to win. She wants to win, but it's not like a Graf or a Seles, who despised losing and threw everything but the kitchen sink. Even in her post-stabbing form, Seles was never this bad. I've always suspected this, and Melanie Molitor to an extent confirms this [in S.L Price's recent article on Martina being a has-been].

Pureracket
Sep 1st, 2007, 10:43 PM
She honestly seems a step slower. I'm wondering about her injury.

ico4498
Sep 1st, 2007, 10:45 PM
She's not willing to put in the time and the effort to work on them. She can't possible expect any more than what she's getting.

thats the word coming from her own people. Melanie was frank enough to say she has to win in straight sets, her level of fitness gives her little chance in 3 setters.

lynch79
Sep 1st, 2007, 10:46 PM
It's not like she was in perfect form, though. I mean, I would worry if Martina was at her best and still lose. She clearly was unfit. I'm not a fan in denial, but we just can't say it was the best Martina out there.

Olórin
Sep 1st, 2007, 10:50 PM
This all begs the question imo, why did Martina comeback? Was it purely for the love of playing? Was it to add more weeks as number one to her tally? Was it to win the FO or indeed any slam again? Was it because she believed she could be the best.

Because at the moment NONE of these reasons seem to be revealing themselves in her play. Perhaps she's had her comeback and that's enough. She's proved she can still beat anyone on a given day, she just can't beat everyone regularly, and at the moment she can't seem to win regularly :o As someone who has enjoyed wathching Martina play since 1997, it hurts me to see her embarassing herself like this. And if she doesn't want it, then imo she needs to re-evaluate things, and if things can't improve, then retire.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:01 PM
thats the word coming from her own people. Melanie was frank enough to say she has to win in straight sets, her level of fitness gives her little chance in 3 setters.

I don't see that as a big issue.
The same thing went for Lindsay Davenport for years and yet she was still ranked number one in 2006.
If you got Lindsay in a three setter and it was a top player, likely it's over for Lindsay at a slam.

At least in Lindsay's case it was that she tried everything and had nothing left.

cellophane
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:18 PM
It's disappointing if she doesn't want to work her weaknesses. She may as well stop playing, unless she enjoys taking beatings like the one today.

ico4498
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:18 PM
This all begs the question imo, why did Martina comeback?

that question compliments the OP's critique of her motivation.

while commentating on a Venus match, during her "retirement", Martina said that she'd never want to struggle, as Venus was during that comeback match.

to answer your question; i think Hingis saw depleted draws and correctly concluded that with luck her chances at another slam weren't horrible. where she went tragically awry? underestimating the players still needing to make their bones.

her commitment/motivation will ultimately become clear. at this point, way too early to make a definitive decision either way.

most players lose after a protracted absence.

ico4498
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:27 PM
I don't see that as a big issue.
The same thing went for Lindsay Davenport for years and yet she was still ranked number one in 2006.
If you got Lindsay in a three setter and it was a top player, likely it's over for Lindsay at a slam.

At least in Lindsay's case it was that she tried everything and had nothing left.

see though, LD has weapons that are less dependent on fitness/stamina.

Martina strengths are most effective if she can force another shot from her opponent ... that requires fitness.