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1000
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:17 PM
I was just wondering does everyone see that the top four players thar are most feared and thus should have the top four rankings in the world are Justine, Maria, Serena, and Venus. It seems like they have dominated the Grand Slams and it seems like a matter of time before they get the toup four rankings. Thanks for responses

Elwin.
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:22 PM
I was just wondering does everyone see that the top four players thar are most feared and thus should have the top four rankings in the world are Justine, Maria, Serena, and Venus. It seems like they have dominated the Grand Slams and it seems like a matter of time before they get the toup four rankings. Thanks for responses

when thinking of the Big Four. I'm thinking of Henin, Serena, Sharapova and Venus. So yeah.
I think you're right ;) :p

tennnisfannn
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:24 PM
The sereba are pretty tough too.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:53 PM
It's hard to say who's the top 4 right now.... at this moment there are 6 players on tour which I consider are at the top....

Those who has won a GS - Serena (8), Venus (6), Justine (6), Maria (2)
Those who haven't won a GS - Ana, Jelena

The others are not even close. ;)

ThreeDT
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:54 PM
Itís a tough question given the level of depth among top players today. Firstly, the top two are obviously Henin and Sharapova, itís hard to argue against that right now.

Iím going to boldly ignore the two top Serbís and Williamsí! There is only Kuznetsova that comes to mind at top 3. Then thereís Russians Petrova and Dementieva followed by youngsters Chakvetadze and Safina who are all fearsome opponents.

Personally hereís what I thinkÖ

Henin
Sharapova
Kuznetsova
S.Williams
Jankovic
V.Williams
Ivanovic
Petrova

Juju4ever
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:58 PM
The big four are the 4 top ranked players, that's what the ranking is for. :rolleyes:

Rex59
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:58 PM
You will soon include Nicole in that mix. Just a matter of time.

Dani12
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:58 PM
Easy. Henin, Serena, Venus, Sharapova

ce
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:59 PM
The big four are the 4 top ranked players, that's what the ranking is for. :rolleyes:

:)

Demska
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:59 PM
Noobie posters :die:

Highlandman
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:01 PM
In best-form I agree with Henin,Williams x2,Sharapova as big four.


Mauresmo,Ivanovic,Jankovic,Chakvetadze after them.

@Sweet Cleopatra
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:14 PM
ranking is best system , the best four are the best four , it's points .

Marshmallow
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:15 PM
Why 4? The days of Henin, Clijsters, Serena and Venus are GONE. We're in a new Era.

Why i think of the big players, i think of players who put fear into their opponents. Justine does that, Serena does that (though she is losing it a bit not playing much / being in shape - but the AO was a good step), Venus lost it (losing to anyone) but she is working on getting it back. Ivanovic is building it fast - she hits the ball harder than anyone. Jankovic is almost there, but she's a mental doubt.

To this list i'd add Kuznetsova. She is one of the most complete players, with a dangerous game. If she can get her head together - watch her to be right up there.

terjw
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:21 PM
I was just wondering does everyone see that the top four players thar are most feared and thus should have the top four rankings in the world are Justine, Maria, Serena, and Venus. It seems like they have dominated the Grand Slams and it seems like a matter of time before they get the toup four rankings. Thanks for responses

Those are the players who are thought of as the best and are almost certainly the players you would least want to be drawn against. But the rankings are fine as they are. Players earn their rankings with their results the last 12 months. And Venus and Serena need to do the same and earn their rankings. They should not just be put in the top 4 based on their reputation and winning a couple of tournaments this year including a slam but little else.

With the lopsided draws at the USO and RG - this does raise the question though of whether the seedings at the slams should be based on the rankings. There's a strong case that the big four should have been the top four seeds at this year's USO.

Chunchun
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:38 PM
It used to be Williamses and Belgians. Since Kim is gone I guess Maria has just replaced her. :shrug:

DemWilliamsGulls
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:45 PM
The Big Four are definately Venus, Serena, Henin and Sharapova with Mauresmo being a good alternate. Players dont fear Mauresmo as much as Sharapova because she's #1 not as loud lol, does not have a big powerful game as Sharapova, and Sharapova fights for every point. So those are my big four.

ThreeDT
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:46 PM
Agreed that the rankings work well and are the only true answer. Points are points but, some sort of average (like 17 best tournaments) can go a long way toward reducing speculation. And thatís what the rankings do, otherwise Jelena Jankovic would undisputed world #1 by a long marginÖ

The only downside is that long term injuries happen (eg. Mauresmo) and a young uprising player could be playing like #1 for a long time (6 months) before she officially arrives there.

DavenportForever
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:46 PM
ranking is best system , the best four are the best four , it's points .

agree.

Vlover
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:46 PM
The big four are the 4 top ranked players, that's what the ranking is for. :rolleyes:

The ranking is for seedings and its determined by the quantity of play not by the quality. The poster was referring to the ability to win big when it matters.

Poova
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:50 PM
Of course its Serena, Justine, Venus and Maria. Sharapova may not be feared by the top ranked players, but she still is definitely feared by the lower-ranked players so she should be included over the Serbs etc. :)

Adaora
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:53 PM
Am I the only one who thinks players don't fear Sharapova as much?
I mean I think most top 10 players will rather play her instead of Henin and the Williams.

Slutiana
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:54 PM
used to be the williamses and belgians. Now i'd say the top 4 are Justine, Serena, Venus, Maria.

Why?

Henin is obviously world number 1. Thats the only reason needed.
Serena because she's serena. Shes got the most GSs out of all the active players. However, at this US Open she isn't playing well and the players feel they have a chance. One she gets match tough again, the aura will be back.
Venus because ever since the start of the year, she's been working towards it. Obviously she won her first tournament back. And apart from the rezai match, shes been quite consistent against the lower players and although she had the hiccups against morigami and alla, (can't spell surname:p) shes beaten everyone below her apart from rezai. Im sure shes scaring some of the players right now but some of the top players probably think shes only a threat on grass. If she wins the USO, that aura will finally be back.
Maria because she's world no.2. Although she's been beaten down a lot this year, she's proved that she still beats up on the players without a big enough game to challenge her. However, Venus and serena will be feeling their chances whenever they play her from now on.

Viktymise
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:55 PM
It's hard to say who's the top 4 right now.... at this moment there are 6 players on tour which I consider are at the top....

Those who has won a GS - Serena (8), Venus (6), Justine (6), Maria (2)
Those who haven't won a GS - Ana, Jelena

The others are not even close. ;)

Kuznetsova and Chaky are hardly a million miles away from Ivanovic and Jankovic and they deserve to be in the same group.

ThreeDT
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:25 PM
used to be the williamses and belgians. Now i'd say the top 4 are Justine, Serena, Venus, Maria.

Why?

Henin is obviously world number 1. Thats the only reason needed.
Serena because she's serena. Shes got the most GSs out of all the active players. However, at this US Open she isn't playing well and the players feel they have a chance. One she gets match tough again, the aura will be back.
Venus because ever since the start of the year, she's been working towards it. Obviously she won her first tournament back. And apart from the rezai match, shes been quite consistent against the lower players and although she had the hiccups against morigami and alla, (can't spell surname:p) shes beaten everyone below her apart from rezai. Im sure shes scaring some of the players right now but some of the top players probably think shes only a threat on grass. If she wins the USO, that aura will finally be back.
Maria because she's world no.2. Although she's been beaten down a lot this year, she's proved that she still beats up on the players without a big enough game to challenge her. However, Venus and serena will be feeling their chances whenever they play her from now on.
While sheís had some physical problems this year, Sharapova is barely 20 years old. Serena is only a few weeks from being 26, so the amount of GSís seems irrelevant to me anyway.

It seems like the best way to answer this question is to adopt the mindset: Who will most likely be looked back at in 100 years time? Sure enough, The Williamsí are very prominent.

Andy.
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:32 PM
Henin, Sharapova, Venus & Serena

kiwifan
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:33 PM
It used to be Williamses and Belgians. Since Kim is gone I guess Maria has just replaced her. :shrug:

yep. :cool:

Nicole V., Ana I., Jelena J. and Momo would probably be the next 4 after them when you're talking realistic expectations at every Slam for the next year or so.

As much as I'd like to put Momo up in the top tier, heart and mind say, "nope". :shrug:

Russianboy
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:47 PM
definitely Sharapova, Venus, Serena and Henin

Russianboy
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:49 PM
It used to be Williamses and Belgians. Since Kim is gone I guess Maria has just replaced her. :shrug:

Maria beat her in their last 3 matches (always 2 sets), so dont talk about "she replaced her" :shrug:

freeandlonely
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:00 PM
The ranking is for seedings and its determined by the quantity of play not by the quality. The poster was referring to the ability to win big when it matters.

Maybe, but somehow I feel Williams should enter more tours anyway.

Kworb
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:07 PM
Henin, Sharapova, Jankovic, Kuznetsova

Chrissie-fan
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:10 PM
The players with a high ranking on the computer deserve a lot the credit for having played consistently great tennis over a 12 month period.

In terms of proven ability to win slams Henin, Masha and the Williams sisters are clearly the top 4. Ivanovic and Jankovic are not far behind because they are likely to do it in the future. Only a matter of time.

And then you have about half a dozen ladies who have won slams in the past or youngsters who are getting better all the time. I would put these in the dangerous outsider group. It would be an upset if one of them would win the US Open, but it wouldn't be a miracle.

Slutiana
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:10 PM
Maria beat her in their last 3 matches (always 2 sets), so dont talk about "she replaced her" :shrug:

doesn't matter, clijsters was the more feared out of the two. The reason the belgians and williams were the top 4 was because they had everthing. Serve, groundies, volleys, power and most importantly, speed. When players played them, they had to rely on the errors of the opponent because they were not getting past them with their own shots. With maria, she has a big and well known weakness, her movement. They knew that if they moved her around and exploited it, they stood a chance. It didn't always work, but they had hope. And anyway, They'd been the top 4 since 2002.

Andrew Laeddis
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:13 PM
The big four are the 4 top ranked players, that's what the ranking is for. :rolleyes:

not 4 grand slams.

Helaena
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:14 PM
currently? definitely JUSTINE. MARIA. SERENA. VENUS.

Justine, well, we don't need a lot of explanation here.

the williams' does not have that much points as far as the ranking system is concerned but they are truly threats and feared a lot and have significant impact on any event. but least somehow they should participate and not only play in huge events.

Donny
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:26 PM
currently? definitely JUSTINE. MARIA. SERENA. VENUS.

Justine, well, we don't need a lot of explanation here.

the williams' does not have that much points as far as the ranking system is concerned but they are truly threats and feared a lot and have significant impact on any event. but least somehow they should participate and not only play in huge events.

Tournaments Henin has played in 2007:

Paris
Dubai
Doha
Miami
Warsaw
Berlin
Roland Garros
Eastbourne
Wimbledon
Toronto
US Open

Eleven Events

Tournaments Serena has played in 2007:

Hobart
Australian Open
Miami
Charleston
Fed Cup Week 1
Rome
French Open
Wimbledon
US Open

Nine events


Tournaments Venus has played in 2007:

Memphis
Miami
Amelia Island
Charleston
Fed Cup Week 1
Warsaw
Instanbul
Roland Garros
Wimbledon
Fed Cup Week 2
San Diego
US Open

Twelve events.


Events Sharapova has played in 2007:

Australian Open
Tokyo
Indian Wells
Miami
Instanbul
Roland Garros
Birmingham
Wimbledon
San Diego
LA
US Open

Eleven Events

So Henin's played two more event than Serena, and one LESS than Venus. Sharapova's played tow more than Serena, and one LESS than Venus has.

DA FOREHAND
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:43 PM
I was just wondering does everyone see that the top four players thar are most feared and thus should have the top four rankings in the world are Justine, Maria, Serena, and Venus. It seems like they have dominated the Grand Slams and it seems like a matter of time before they get the toup four rankings. Thanks for responses

and hear i thought Amelie won two slams last year:rolleyes: :wavey:

Juju4ever
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:49 PM
The ranking is for seedings and its determined by the quantity of play not by the quality. The poster was referring to the ability to win big when it matters.

The ranking represent the consistency of the player, So quantity of play is not a factor. :shrug:
This is the the reason the system is like this. :)

1000
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:57 PM
What would Venus and or Serena have to do this fall to qualify for the Year Ending Championships and thus confirm top 8 seedings for the Australain Open? If anybody has a schedule of their tournaments to analyze the chances I would be appreciative