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VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:09 AM
Williams leads 3-0 all in straight sets.

alias
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:10 AM
Ana in 3!

harloo
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:10 AM
Venus in 2:)

Serenidad.
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:11 AM
There is no reason to go against Venus.

She's been playing better than Ivanovic in this tournament.
She has the H2H 3-0 advantage, never losing a set. A mental edge, at least.
More experience.
Ivanovic is not going to be able to win with low first serve percentages.
Home crowd support, as well.

Advantage, Venus Williams.

KBdoubleu
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:13 AM
Venus in three

DownTheLine21
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:14 AM
Ivanovic will end Venus' hot streak in three dramatic sets.

@Sweet Cleopatra
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:16 AM
hard to predict , very hard , both in best form.

MagicMilan
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:16 AM
There is no reason to go against Venus.

She's been playing better than Ivanovic in this tournament.
She has the H2H 3-0 advantage, never losing a set. A mental edge, at least.
More experience.
Ivanovic is not going to be able to win with low first serve percentages.
Home crowd support, as well.

Advantage, Venus Williams.
Ivanovic's first serve percentage is going up as the tournament is progressing, she was serving pretty good today. Any player will have a problem breaking her if she serves the way she served in the few last games of the match. You can't write her off just yet, I think that this match will be the closest between them so far ;)

Viktymise
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:17 AM
Venus ;) Her record at the USO in these sort of matches is pretty much as good as anyone on the tour right now. She's been hitting the ball great so far but ca still improve. Has the mental egde havng won all 3 meetings, and the last 2 fairly routinely. Should be a fun match though, but kick her ass Vee :devil:

Warrior
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:20 AM
Venus will win, but it won't be as easy as you think.

starin
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:20 AM
toss up. Ivanovic has the big serve, big return and big forehand. It'll boil down to who has a higher 1st serve % and plays a cleaner match.

gocanadago
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:21 AM
Vee in 2 ;)

starin
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:21 AM
Ivanovic's first serve percentage is going up as the tournament is progressing, she was serving pretty good today. Any player will have a problem breaking her if she serves the way she served in the few last games of the match. You can't write her off just yet, I think that this match will be the closest between them so far ;)

i agree I think it's going to be a close 3 setter with the outcome boiling down to a few points here and there.

Knizzle
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:21 AM
I think Venus, her movement bothers Ivanovic.

In The Zone
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:23 AM
Venus wins in 2. One easy, one hard set.

DownTheLine21
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:24 AM
I think Venus, her movement bothers Ivanovic.

That is a good point. Ivanovic will also be somewhat troubled by the fact that Venus will not give her a lot of time to set up her shots (which, for the killer forehand, is needed). However, many are underestimating Ivanovic. She's ready to actually "play" Venus.

Dawn Marie
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:25 AM
I think this will come down to who can play the big points better. The winner/error ratio will mean alot.

delicatecutter
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:28 AM
I give Ana much more of a chance than the US commentators bothered to do. They make so many simple mistakes that it bothers me that they have such cushy jobs.

cellophane
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:35 AM
Ana in 3. I give her a chance.

sammy01
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:39 AM
i have to go with venus in 2 sets! venus has the edge on most things between her and ana but the main thing is movement, venus is in a different leauge when it comes to movement between the 2!

Andrew Laeddis
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:42 AM
venus. she moves so much better and while venus will be tracking down big shot from ana, ana wont be able to do the same. venus will rob of her time hit the big forehand and ana will start to hit errors because of venus' defence. i say venus in two sets. one close and one fairly easy. in my opinion venus wont lose in 3 sets. i could only see her losing in 3 to a good mover like jankovic or henin. i think if ana doesnt win in straights she wont win. venus will win more free points and that will be the difference and good serves just dont serve as well when venus is on the other side of the net.

Volcana
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:43 AM
Let's call everything that's even vaguely close 'even'.

Serve - even
Groundstrokes - even
Volleys - advantage Venus.
Footspeed - Venus
Big Match Experience - Venus

You could pick apart serve and groundstrokes, and find more advantages and disadvantaes, but ultimately, Venus is faster, and has been in way more big matches. That's what will tell the tale.

Andrew Laeddis
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:46 AM
Let's call everything that's even vaguely close 'even'.

Serve - even
Groundstrokes - even
Volleys - advantage Venus.
Footspeed - Venus
Big Match Experience - Venus

You could pick apart serve and groundstrokes, and find more advantages and disadvantaes, but ultimately, Venus is faster, and has been in way more big matches. That's what will tell the tale.

ill pick apart

1st serve-venus
2nd serve-ana
fh-ana
bh-venus
volley-venus
movement-venus by far
return-slight edge to venus ( i think she returns big serves a bit better)
experience-venus

tennnisfannn
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:47 AM
a shame they play each other so early, but i od hope ofr a venus victory

austennis
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:52 AM
Come on Venus and Ana i rooting 4 both of u and will be happy either way.. just play ur best and go to 3

husse
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:52 AM
venus. she moves so much better and while venus will be tracking down big shot from ana, ana wont be able to do the same. venus will rob of her time hit the big forehand and ana will start to hit errors because of venus' defence. i say venus in two sets. one close and one fairly easy. in my opinion venus wont lose in 3 sets. i could only see her losing in 3 to a good mover like jankovic or henin. i think if ana doesnt win in straights she wont win. venus will win more free points and that will be the difference and good serves just dont serve as well when venus is on the other side of the net.

Those were fair points. However you are underestimatng dear Ana here. The way she play is to set up a forehand winner. She hits deep, flat shots that every player has problems with. What is to her advantage is her backhand.
When they met at Wimby, her backhand wasnt working. She usually hits deep balls with it, and sooner or later, her opponents will hit a ball that slightly to the forehand, and the rest is history.


If her backhand breaks down, two quick sets to Vee. If not, its an all serb quarter.

Topspin2
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:54 AM
Venus in 2

hectopascal
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:55 AM
Venus has a horrible three set record this year, so hopefully she can finish Ana off in two. Her serve and groundies seem to be going in so far, so I don't see how Ana can come up with a win, especially because she's made little impact on Venus in all the matches they've played (even when Ana was supposed to be in form).

Andrew Laeddis
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:01 AM
Those were fair points. However you are underestimatng dear Ana here. The way she play is to set up a forehand winner. She hits deep, flat shots that every player has problems with. What is to her advantage is her backhand.
When they met at Wimby, her backhand wasnt working. She usually hits deep balls with it, and sooner or later, her opponents will hit a ball that slightly to the forehand, and the rest is history.


If her backhand breaks down, two quick sets to Vee. If not, its an all serb quarter.

im not saying she will get destroyed but venus loves flat shots. some one with top spin like henin or mauresmo when shes on would give venus more trouble. tennis is all about about match up. of the the top 10 ivanovic and sharapova are probably the best match ups for venus. also ivanovics backhand is never really that much of a weapon. even when its working its still not a great weapon. when venus forehand is working it is just as lethal as her backhand whereas ana just has the forehand. if they both play i just dont see (skill wise) how ana can win. i would give ana a better shot though against anyone else except henin.

and are u saying that an in form venus can only beat ana if her backhand breaks down. that is ridiculous.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:03 AM
Venus 64 63

matanuriel
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:21 AM
Venus in 3. it will be tougher than the old meetings but she will win, such a bad draw for Ana.

Sassy-Na
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:25 AM
venus in 2.

©@®eLess
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:36 AM
Venus will as always come 3m into court for Ana's second serve. The problem is...Ana's 2nd serve is as good as someone's first. Venus will make tons of errors on it, attacking second serve, Ana is much better in doing that, she does this blitz returns, especially on her forehand size. It will be tough...but i say Ana wins 7-5 7-5.

junlee_vee
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:53 AM
I wanna say Venus in 2, but I'll be safe and say she'll win in 3. Ivanavic is playing very well, but she can't handle Venus' movement, and we all know by now, she loves playing against hard hitters who don't have great movement.

It should be a great match! :)

StZox
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:56 AM
Whoever wins, I expect the best match so far

RJWCapriati
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:58 AM
V. Williams in 2

Volcana
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:01 AM
Look at the head to head

2004 ZURICH ...... HARD (I) V. WILLIAMS 7-6 7-6
2006 LUXEMBOURG .. HARD (I) V. WILLIAMS 6-3 6-4
2007 WIMBLEDON .. GRASS (O) V. WILLIAMS 6-2 6-4

Venus hasn't dropped a set.
Venus has won each match by a bigger margin than the last
The last win was only a couple months ago
According to Jon McEnroe, the court at this year's US Open is faster than the grass at Wimbledon.

Ivanovic offense vs Venus defense - even
Venus offense vs Ivanovic defense -Venus

Venus is the fastest player on the tour. There may be some AS fast, but none faster. It's going to be WAY harder for Ivanovic to hit a winner. What's changed since Wimbledon?

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:07 AM
venus in two sets....sorry ana :hug:

Natasc
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:07 AM
I don't think that Ana has been playing well so far....
and venus is just wow!!
sometimes she made few stupids ues... but her velocity to get those great balls that Bondarenko was sending

so I say Vee in 2
*if they put this on night - which I hope, 'cause that must be a night match - is totally Venus all the way
and if Ana start to make those celebrations... then Vee will get even more on fire....

will be a nice test for both no matter what.

.Andrew.
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:10 AM
Venus in 2.

Both are playing excellent tennis and both had very routine matches. Should be a great match either way.

le bon vivant
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:10 AM
Anybody who plays like Venus but is slow is toast against her.

Polikarpov
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:16 AM
It would be hard to bet against Venus. But then again, it all depends on what kind of Venus will show up.

tobi
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:17 AM
If Venus play at around her best and about she will win this quite easily.

If she will be in error mood,then it will be very interesting and very close.

VLADA_BELGRADE
Sep 1st, 2007, 04:07 AM
It will be great tennis!
Hm... 7-5 4-6 6-3 for Venus!

WhatTheDeuce
Sep 1st, 2007, 04:12 AM
Venus in 2. :D

Should be fun.

AcesHigh
Sep 1st, 2007, 04:58 AM
It's just not a matchup for great tennis IMO. Ivanovic plays like Venus but doesn't move as well. Look at all the people Venus has struggled against and they're either quick/fast or move excellently with great footwork.

Ivanovic is no Jankovic and unless she's firing on all cylinders or unless Venus comes out very slow, I can't see this going to three sets. Venus can handle Ivanovic's power(she sees it all the time in practice with Serena, it's nothing new to her) and Ivanovic isn't consistent or fast enough like a counterpuncher to force her into errors.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 1st, 2007, 05:00 AM
Unfortunately for Ana Venus is on fire so she wins in straights

In The Zone
Sep 1st, 2007, 05:23 AM
It's just not a matchup for great tennis IMO. Ivanovic plays like Venus but doesn't move as well. Look at all the people Venus has struggled against and they're either quick/fast or move excellently with great footwork.

Ivanovic is no Jankovic and unless she's firing on all cylinders or unless Venus comes out very slow, I can't see this going to three sets. Venus can handle Ivanovic's power(she sees it all the time in practice with Serena, it's nothing new to her) and Ivanovic isn't consistent or fast enough like a counterpuncher to force her into errors.

Exactly. There is nothing in Ana's game that is troublesome for Venus. As long as Venus is ready to play, Venus wins this in two.

Sexysova
Sep 1st, 2007, 06:28 AM
if Venus will play well Ana has no chance... I hope :)

ydht
Sep 1st, 2007, 06:32 AM
ana in 3

BAD_MOUTH
Sep 1st, 2007, 06:39 AM
go venus go venus..........
i love venus as much as i hate her fat sister

supergrunt
Sep 1st, 2007, 06:44 AM
go venus go venus..........
i love venus as much as i hate her fat sister

how pleasant :)

mm1147
Sep 1st, 2007, 06:47 AM
venus will win in 2 tough sets

Helaena
Sep 1st, 2007, 06:55 AM
sorry ana, i love you, but i've got to say its venus in two.

Gryffindor80
Sep 1st, 2007, 08:09 AM
I think this will come down to who can play the big points better. The winner/error ratio will mean alot.


Well said.. it will be a close match good tennis.. after this another serbian girl.. then Serena/Justine... Good tennis this year

blackflip
Sep 1st, 2007, 08:10 AM
Venus in 2. Her serve is cracking, that movement is THE best on tour, and her forehand is on point.....Ivanovic doesn't have enough to negate all that IMO. She is a good quality player, but Venus is working at close to peak form....no go! Venus to win the whole Open....

Si_Hi
Sep 1st, 2007, 08:11 AM
i vote venus, but i think this time there will be a 3rd set...

Hellion
Sep 1st, 2007, 08:13 AM
Venus in 3 sets !

Calypso
Sep 1st, 2007, 08:19 AM
Venus will win.

One thing's for sure, Ivanovic will be super-psyched out 4 this match!
Venus should be careful about playing the same (good) opponent many times
and winning all in straights. She must stay focused all through the match.

Gryffindor80
Sep 1st, 2007, 08:21 AM
I think this will come down to who can play the big points better. The winner/error ratio will mean alot.


That is well said.. they are both in the form at the moment, the player who can construct right angle and big point will be the eventually winner.. This is fantstic draw all quality player in one side, who ever win in this side of the draw will be the 2007 US Open. Champion

friendsita
Sep 1st, 2007, 08:53 AM
VENUS IN 2... like 7-6 6-3

maja.amelie
Sep 1st, 2007, 09:41 AM
Vee in 3. :)

GO VEE!!!

Elwin.
Sep 1st, 2007, 09:43 AM
Very interesting match :eek:

Venus will win in 3 tough sets

Demska
Sep 1st, 2007, 09:48 AM
Venus.

LefandePatty
Sep 1st, 2007, 09:49 AM
AJDE Ana !! :bounce:

:inlove:
Sep 1st, 2007, 09:51 AM
Venus 6-3 6-3. :D

Juju4ever
Sep 1st, 2007, 10:54 AM
I don't know who's gonna win, but I hope for great tennis and a 3rd set. :bounce:

Marshmallow
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:14 AM
I dunno, i love both and will be happy for either winner. If Venus isn't spraying errors and stays focused, her serve, movement and abilty to generate winners from all ovet the place - should be enough to exploit Ana's not so fast movement.

Really, i just hope the winner doesn't fold to Jelena - but i really hope Venus wins.

ilovepaszek
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:19 AM
Venus in 3 6-7 7-6 6-3

Mama´sBoy
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:20 AM
They´ll play for sure the night session so Venus will win easily :D

Olórin
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:21 AM
Venus 64 64

-sugi-
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:35 AM
Venus 75 75.

I hope Ana can win though.

©@®eLess
Sep 1st, 2007, 11:46 AM
All i know is if Ana wins...all of the Venus fans will turn back on her again saying she beat herself! bit of respect for other players please!

Freakan
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:10 PM
I expect Ana to lose 1st after being as scared as she was last year against Serena. If it goes to 3 sets, then Ana has a good chance :)

Highlandman
Sep 1st, 2007, 12:56 PM
I can't see Venus losing against Ana on grass or hard-court. I think against such a player Venus will try to play her best directly and so I think Venus will win 6-4,6-4.

ce
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:01 PM
Venus in two

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:04 PM
Look at the head to head

2004 ZURICH ...... HARD (I) V. WILLIAMS 7-6 7-6
2006 LUXEMBOURG .. HARD (I) V. WILLIAMS 6-3 6-4
2007 WIMBLEDON .. GRASS (O) V. WILLIAMS 6-2 6-4

Venus hasn't dropped a set.
Venus has won each match by a bigger margin than the last
The last win was only a couple months ago
According to Jon McEnroe, the court at this year's US Open is faster than the grass at Wimbledon.

Ivanovic offense vs Venus defense - even
Venus offense vs Ivanovic defense -Venus

Venus is the fastest player on the tour. There may be some AS fast, but none faster. It's going to be WAY harder for Ivanovic to hit a winner. What's changed since Wimbledon?

What's changed since Wimbledon? Ana is finally playing on her best surface since she made the big progression.
In LA she played definitely better than at Wimbledon.
Now 10 games lost in 3 matches, not really tested at all.
And about the H2H. It can look like a lame excuse, but I'll tell it anyway.

Zurich was really close. 2 TB's and Ana had enough setpoints in both sets. At that time she was only 16.
Luxembourg, she better did not play it at all. She was already injured during US Open last year, but continued playing.
After Luxembourg she had to cancel Stuttgart and Zurich cause of injury.
At Wimbledon she was injured as well, the knee. After that she had to cancel Fed Cup, Stanford and San Diego.

If Venus again this time then it will be in 2 sets. I guess it will look like as Wimbledon then. Venus aggressive and Ana starting too slow.
If it will be a close match with great quality then I just don't see Venus win it.
If Ana really can play her best now, then I don't see her losing this tournament.
It's nice that most people say it will be an easy Venus win. That gives me even more fun when Ana wins!

Velvet kisses
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:18 PM
Venus in 2

JeremySun
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:22 PM
Venus in 2 easy sets. Ana will be too scared and she'll play badly. She's lost the mental edge against Venus. :)

Poova
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:24 PM
Venus will 'get up' for this match I think and win 6-4 6-2 or something similar.

vwfan
Sep 1st, 2007, 01:31 PM
I really like Ana. I really do. But kick her ass, Venus. :devil:

ivanban
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:21 PM
I'm affraid Ana will have another meltdown like in RG final :scared:

V-MAC
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:32 PM
I think Vee will be too much for Ana yet again. Vee has that extra motivation to win too - she still has 3 more outfits to air at the US Open ;)

selyoink
Sep 1st, 2007, 02:58 PM
Normally I would pick Ana to win this match but Venus seems to be playing well and I'm not convinced yet of Ana being a big match player away from clay.

Infiniti2001
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:09 PM
I like Ana, but I http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2425/heartmg5.gif Miss Venus. From what I've seen so far, she is very aggressive and I don't see Ana doing anything to tame her since their games are similar :shrug:

new-york
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:11 PM
please Venus, beat Ana. [/heartbroken]

watudonesed
Sep 1st, 2007, 03:17 PM
Um. Venus should win this in 2. :o Ana is just :help: against players like Venus and Serena. :o