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DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:01 AM
Venus feeling invincible

August 25, 2007
Special to PA SportsTicker

FLUSHING, New York (Ticker) -- Wimbledon champion Venus Williams has shrugged aside a tough draw and likes her chances to win a third U.S. Open title.

The No. 12 seed - along with her sister Serena - has been drawn in the same half of the draw as top seed and French Open champion Justine Henin as well as rising Serbian stars Jelena Jankovic and Ana Ivanovic.

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Yet so buoyed has Venus been by her march to the Wimbledon crown in July - with wins over defending US Open champion Maria Sharapova, 2004 US champion Svetlana Kuznetsova, Ivanovic and Marion Bartoli - that the American goes into the tournament on Monday feeling virtually invincible.

Venus drew a qualifier in her first-round match but faces a potentially awkward third-round match against the Ukraine's Alona Bondarenko - the 21st seed - and possibly Ivanovic in the fourth round. Jankovic could be her opponent in the last eight, while either sister Serena or Henin are in the mix as semifinal opponents.

"If I can match my form at Wimbledon, I'll be unbeatable," said the 27-year-old Williams in an interview with USOpen.org. "I feel like I'm playing better, but I need to get out there and execute in the matches, like I did at Wimbledon. That's what it's all about."

American tennis broadcaster and two-time Grand Slam finalist Mary Jo Fernandez believes Williams has what it takes to be successful at Flushing Meadow in the final grand slam of the year.

"Venus has only played in San Diego since Wimbledon," Fernandez said. "She had match points against Anna Chakvetadze but lost that match but I think she's played enough tennis for me to predict another win," Fernandez said. "Winning Wimbledon for the fourth time will mean she's pretty confident."

The Williams sisters are the United States' only seeded women's players at their national championship and will play back-to-back matches in Monday's opening night session - which is dedicated to the first female African American tennis star, Althea Gibson.

They have also landed two of the first three Grand Slam titles of the year with Serena winning the Australian Open at the start of the season before Venus' Wimbledon triumph. They also kept the US Open title in the family for four years in a row, Serena's successes in 1999 and 2002 bookended Venus's back-to-back titles in 2000 and 2001.

Fernandez believes Serena can also shake off a strained left thumb which has kept her on the sidelines since Wimbledon to make a run deep into the second week in New York.

"The only good news for Serena is that she's been able to practice," Fernandez said. "I saw her in San Diego, and she's out there hitting balls every day. So if her left hand is better, I think she's going to be ready to go. She's made a huge believer out of me that she does not need matches to win at the majors."

Henin may have something to say about that.

If Serena overcomes Germany's Angelique Kerber in the first round and then makes it through a tough route - if the seeds hold up - to the quarterfinals by defeating Lucie Safarova of the Czech Republic, Russia's Vera Zvonareva and No. 10 Bartoli, then top seed Henin could be waiting for her in the last eight to set up a meeting between the two for the third time in a row at the same stage of a grand slam.

With such a potential war of attrition awaiting those in the top half of the draw, US Davis Cup captain Patrick McEnroe believes the bracket lines up nicely for defending champion Maria Sharapova - sitting pretty in the other half of the draw.

"Five of the top six 'picks' I made for the US Open are in the top half of the draw - Henin, Serena, Venus, Jankovic, Ivanovic," McEnroe said. "The sixth one would be Sharapova.

"In my opinion, they are the ones that can win this tournament and now five of them are in the same section of the draw. So the big question is going to be whoever gets out of that draw, 'will they be worn out just by doing that?' That presents an opportunity for Sharapova."




Go get em Venus:worship:

tennisIlove09
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:02 AM
I kinda agree :o
If she serves like she did ... 70 plus first serve % and with her speed range 115 - 128 mph, no one can beat her. that kind of serving is just TOO good.

harloo
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:07 AM
Venus is starting to sound like little sis. Good luck Venus!

asiandude
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:10 AM
Yes I agree. even serena when at peak u cant stop them. this is coming from a sharapova fan.

GoDominique
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:13 AM
Big IF.

justine&coria
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:15 AM
She's really confident and that's great !! I hope to see a Justine-Venus semi : I've been waiting for this match for so long ! :hearts:

Slutiana
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:15 AM
Small if.

Im glad to see shes getting pumped up she never says things like these. That means shes ready and feeling good.

In The Zone
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:16 AM
Venus needs to get to the semifinals and then it's :help: for all the other WTA players, including Serena. The only big IF for this grand slam for Venus is the QF with Jankovic.

frontier
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:27 AM
When Venus age is highlighted its always a way to say she is too old to be playing.The media never talk a lot about momo's age,schnyder,likhotseva,garbin.crybas,shaughnessy, pratt,i think they are counting the years because they cant wait for her and sister to retire.
Venus at her age can out run teenagers like Ana twenty yr olds like pova,she sounds as confident like she did at Wimbledon.
Go Vee!

Shepster
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:40 AM
*assumes Venus is only referring her form at Wimbledon in the second week*

LeRoy.
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:41 AM
Its true. No one will beat her if she plays the way she played her QF/SF/F matches at Wimbledon :worship: :bowdown:

ToeTag
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:42 AM
When Venus age is highlighted its always a way to say she is too old to be playing.
You're reading to much into it. The age of the subject is almost always mentioned.

Ntour
Aug 26th, 2007, 01:06 AM
I kinda agree :o
If she serves like she did ... 70 plus first serve % and with her speed range 115 - 128 mph, no one can beat her. that kind of serving is just TOO good.

i think its not just the serve that forehand needs to land in the court occassionally as well

i agree she will be extremely ahrd to beat in that form, it is a big if but even so i wouldn't say unbeatable

venus_rulez
Aug 26th, 2007, 01:17 AM
I agree. All Venus needs to do is show the fight she did throughout the Wimbledon fortnight. Even in those first three rounds, she was willing to fight and run and do what she had to do to get the win. That fighting spirit, if it's there for the Open, is enough to carry her to the title.

Derek.
Aug 26th, 2007, 01:33 AM
Both WS saying they got this shit in the bag. :drool:

Matt01
Aug 26th, 2007, 01:39 AM
Big IF.

Yup.

LUVMIRZA
Aug 26th, 2007, 01:43 AM
I doubt it. Venus cannot go beyond semis this time.

mykarma
Aug 26th, 2007, 02:23 AM
Both WS saying they got this shit in the bag. :drool:
I don't think they are saying that.

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Aug 26th, 2007, 02:27 AM
Venus has the toughest draw. I think she can get through to the final. I really think if she can win the USO this year, she will go into 2008 with even more confidence. Venus can only go up from now on!

Venus needs to be refreshed and energized and I think she can win it!! She is also extremely happy, which is great for herself and her game.

Thanx4nothin
Aug 26th, 2007, 03:19 AM
Well Serena, Venus, Henin, Ana and Masha are the only ones with chances, maybe in that order too. Big tournament.

WhatTheDeuce
Aug 26th, 2007, 03:23 AM
Venus is winning the US Open. :shrug: Called it a long time ago, and I'm still calling it now.

Word.

LUVMIRZA
Aug 26th, 2007, 03:26 AM
Venus is winning the US Open. :shrug: Called it a long time ago, and I'm still calling it now.

Word. Justine/Maria will not gonna allow that.:devil:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Aug 26th, 2007, 03:38 AM
Justine/Maria will not gonna allow that.:devil:

Please, if Venus has a day where she's not making errors she'll take either one of them out in straights. All depends on Venus.

junlee_vee
Aug 26th, 2007, 03:56 AM
*assumes Venus is only referring her form at Wimbledon in the second week*

It would be pretty stupid if she was referring to her form the first three rounds, don't ya think?;)

I agree with Venus, just gotta execute, and it's all yours Vee!:bounce:

austennis
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:08 AM
Come on Venus u can do it... (or if u cant lose to Ana so that she can :-) ) but would love V vs S semi final

The Kaz
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:22 AM
:secret: Grass is not hardcourt

Another Williams saying she is da shit without backing it up the lead-up season :o

akosijepoy
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:44 AM
i'm lovin her confidence! :D

Apoleb
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:49 AM
Bitch please.

She was even vulnerable against Ivanovic who was playing quite badly. She did play well against Sharapova and but she was by no means at 2005 form in the rest of the tournament.

Donny
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:58 AM
:secret: Grass is not hardcourt

Another Williams saying she is da shit without backing it up the lead-up season :o

If she can match her Wimbledon form, the surface doesn't really matter much.

Lulu.
Aug 26th, 2007, 05:11 AM
Its good that she's confident but the US Open is Serena's this year :)

Asaph
Aug 26th, 2007, 05:15 AM
Both Venus and Serena have backed up what they have said for YEARS. They don't need to prove anything. If they both retire tomorrow they will be in the history books. That is what you haters really can't stand. When your time is up no one will ever remember you even existed.

spencercarlos
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:06 AM
Big IF.
Exactly, sorry Queen Vee you have showed you are not a consistent peak player in consecutive slams since 2001 :rolleyes:
I can´t wait until Venus loses at the Open again and come up again with the same lame "i made "too many"/"zillion of" errors" excuse, and see her fans looking for a way to trash talk her conqueror. :bounce:

Wolverines08
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:30 AM
Exactly, sorry Queen Vee you have showed you are not a consistent peak player in consecutive slams since 2001 :rolleyes:
I can´t wait until Venus loses at the Open again and come up again with the same lame "i made "too many"/"zillion of" errors" excuse, and see her fans looking for a way to trash talk her conqueror. :bounce:

I thought you liked Venus :sad:

spencercarlos
Aug 26th, 2007, 09:46 AM
I thought you liked Venus :sad:
Venus has a big mouth when talking about herself and loves to ignore her oponnent´s performance.

Her arrogance can´t be more evident here. Henin could be saying things like this having as reference her 2006 and 2007 French Opens which she won without losing a single set. But she does not, because those are arrogant comments.

Yet Venus played her best/peak/greatest tennis at Wimbledon 2005 and 2007 and yet she lost some sets and just barely won a couple of matches in both years, but yeah unbeateable.. :rolleyes:

sharapovarulz1
Aug 26th, 2007, 10:06 AM
shes probably right lol thats the frightening thing!!!

Shuji Shuriken
Aug 26th, 2007, 10:54 AM
Fuck them up Venus :hearts: :bounce:. Make it hurt real bad :)

justine&coria
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:00 AM
Venus has a big mouth when talking about herself and loves to ignore her oponnent´s performance.

Her arrogance can´t be more evident here. Henin could be saying things like this having as reference her 2006 and 2007 French Opens which she won without losing a single set. But she does not, because those are arrogant comments.

Yet Venus played her best/peak/greatest tennis at Wimbledon 2005 and 2007 and yet she lost some sets and just barely won a couple of matches in both years, but yeah unbeateable.. :rolleyes:
Well, she's extremely self-confident, and that's what makes her win, that's what made her have one of the greatest career of the WTA.
Even if she plays the same way as Wimbledon, Serena, Justine or even Sharapova (a very on-form one lol) can beat her. It's not because she kept on acing Ivanovic or Bartoli, that she can do the same with Justine/Serena. But her mental is good, and that's really great !

PS : And I'm a little fed up about the "if my player play her best, she's unbeatable". It's just an excuse for when she loses : if she loses, it can just be because she didn't play her best. :rolleyes:

DimaDinosaur
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:29 AM
the only thing I know that is true is that a Williams will win the US Open singles title this year so holla. :wavey:

Donatello
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:35 AM
i think its not just the serve that forehand needs to land in the court occassionally as well

i agree she will be extremely ahrd to beat in that form, it is a big if but even so i wouldn't say unbeatable

:the thought process of most of Vee's opponents at Wimby:

You just have to hit to her, uhm... how doe you beat Venus again? When she is launching 130 mph serves towards me and she flies across court hitting volleys and getting every ball,...well ? :tape:

I bet the two fastest serving girls out there who are also number 2 and 5 in the world were thinking that.

Bijoux0021
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:42 AM
I thought you liked Venus :sad:
Don't let Spencercarlos' avatar fools you. S/he/it is a wellknown hater of Venus and Serena.

Matt01
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:56 AM
the only thing I know that is true is that a Williams will win the US Open singles title this year so holla. :wavey:

Don't be so arrogant. There are 126 other players in the draw who all still have a chance to win the title. :rolleyes:

Olórin
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:58 AM
Exactly, sorry Queen Vee you have showed you are not a consistent peak player in consecutive slams since 2001 :rolleyes:
I can´t wait until Venus loses at the Open again and come up again with the same lame "i made "too many"/"zillion of" errors" excuse, and see her fans looking for a way to trash talk her conqueror. :bounce:

In 2001 Venus played shit all the way through the AO, lost in the 1r of the French and then won Wimbledon/USO.

In 2002, she lost in the AO to an inspired Seles in the QF, and got to the finals of the next four Grand Slams she played upto/incl. AO 2003. Yet you put 2001 as the year Venus last played consistently at/near her best in consecutive slams?:confused:

Will you ever get anything right? :lol:

terjw
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:01 PM
Venus has a big mouth when talking about herself and loves to ignore her oponnent´s performance.

Her arrogance can´t be more evident here. Henin could be saying things like this having as reference her 2006 and 2007 French Opens which she won without losing a single set. But she does not, because those are arrogant comments.

Yet Venus played her best/peak/greatest tennis at Wimbledon 2005 and 2007 and yet she lost some sets and just barely won a couple of matches in both years, but yeah unbeateable.. :rolleyes:

Yeah well I know what you mean and it's a bit like her "I didn't think I could lose on hard courts this summer" comments. But when it's just quoted like that in an article we really have no idea of the context. She's almost certainly just honestly answering a straight question as to what she feels about her chances. So it's a good answer because she is damned good when she's on and it gives herself confidence. We really have no idea if she was also asked other questions in which she might have given credit to some of the other players.

I'm not a Venus fan at all but it's just too easy to read a headline like that and not know the context of what she said. For non-fans like me - yeah I'm sometimes a bit irritated and think she does go a bit too much on herself. But then again - if I was a fan of hers - I know I'd love her for that comment. And it's not like she never gives credit to other players.

Shepster
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:45 PM
And it's not like she never gives credit to other players.
You will struggle to find a quote from her when ousted from a grand slam that says it was anything other than her fault. Not being quite as overt as her sister doesn't mean she isn't guilty of it herself.

v Raymond AO 04 - "I'm pretty much in shock. I still can't believe it."
v Molik AO 05 - "I definitely didn't produce my best tennis, that's for sure. It was definitely a match I should have won. I would definitely say when I'm playing well, I feel I'm the best."
+
"I couldn't quite get a handle on what was going wrong. Normally if I'm playing 5% better, I'd win."
v Pironkova AO 06 - "she played very well today. She really did. Obviously, managed to play a little bit better. Actually, I mean, I had so many unforced errors, I just was struggling to keep the ball in today. Just couldn't get it right. Obviously, she benefitted from my largesse. You know, if I had just a third less errors or ten less errors, I think this match is a different story."

v Myskina FO 04 - "I wasn't really in a rhythm today. Normally, I don't think she would beat me because she can't hurt me. Next time I will be ready."
v Karatantcheva F0 05 - " "I think she played well, definitely. But I also felt like if I just played 10 percent better, you know, I'm going to win this match easily."
v Vaidisova FO 06 - "Like I said, she played well. She deserved to win." :eek:
v Jankovic F) 07 - "I don't feel like she came out there and really beat me. I just feel like at times she was a little more patient than I was ... I definitely feel like I could have done things to be in the winner's circle. I don't feel like I went out there and didn't have any courage."

v Sprem W 04 - "I did my best. I just think she played really well and deserved the win," :eek:
v Jankovic W 06 - "she just played well. I had a you know, I wasn't able to play my best. Uhm, yeah, yeah, pretty much."

v Lindsay USO 04 - "It was me. I made too many errors. The thing that hurt me the most was my inconsistency."
v Kim USO 05 - "I was playing decent and she started playing really bad and it totally threw me off. She started hitting these really weird shots and short balls, just weird stuff. Next thing I knew I was playing as bad as she was. She was able to recover. I just wasn't. I guess maybe it was a good strategy."

Most of the time she gives little or no credit to the other player for actually winning the match. It's almost always her that loses it or if she'd played a little bit better she would *definitely* have won. How can you blame the more extreme fans of the Williamses making comments like "Oh, well she didn't beat Venus *playing well* so it doesn't count" when those sentiments stem from the sisters themselves. Difference between Venus and Serena is Venus will at least say her opponents played well and will never come out with a "all she had to do was get the ball over the net" type comment like her sister. Admitting she was outplayed though? Extremely rare.

ce
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:50 PM
If

Olórin
Aug 26th, 2007, 12:50 PM
Id forgotten about that Kim comment, Venus :haha:

terjw
Aug 26th, 2007, 01:19 PM
You will struggle to find a quote from her when ousted from a grand slam that says it was anything other than her fault. Not being quite as overt as her sister doesn't mean she isn't guilty of it herself.

v Raymond AO 04 - "I'm pretty much in shock. I still can't believe it."
v Molik AO 05 - "I definitely didn't produce my best tennis, that's for sure. It was definitely a match I should have won. I would definitely say when I'm playing well, I feel I'm the best."
+
"I couldn't quite get a handle on what was going wrong. Normally if I'm playing 5% better, I'd win."
v Pironkova AO 06 - "she played very well today. She really did. Obviously, managed to play a little bit better. Actually, I mean, I had so many unforced errors, I just was struggling to keep the ball in today. Just couldn't get it right. Obviously, she benefitted from my largesse. You know, if I had just a third less errors or ten less errors, I think this match is a different story."

v Myskina FO 04 - "I wasn't really in a rhythm today. Normally, I don't think she would beat me because she can't hurt me. Next time I will be ready."
v Karatantcheva F0 05 - " "I think she played well, definitely. But I also felt like if I just played 10 percent better, you know, I'm going to win this match easily."
v Vaidisova FO 06 - "Like I said, she played well. She deserved to win." :eek:
v Jankovic F) 07 - "I don't feel like she came out there and really beat me. I just feel like at times she was a little more patient than I was ... I definitely feel like I could have done things to be in the winner's circle. I don't feel like I went out there and didn't have any courage."

v Sprem W 04 - "I did my best. I just think she played really well and deserved the win," :eek:
v Jankovic W 06 - "she just played well. I had a you know, I wasn't able to play my best. Uhm, yeah, yeah, pretty much."

v Lindsay USO 04 - "It was me. I made too many errors. The thing that hurt me the most was my inconsistency."
v Kim USO 05 - "I was playing decent and she started playing really bad and it totally threw me off. She started hitting these really weird shots and short balls, just weird stuff. Next thing I knew I was playing as bad as she was. She was able to recover. I just wasn't. I guess maybe it was a good strategy."

Most of the time she gives little or no credit to the other player for actually winning the match. It's almost always her that loses it or if she'd played a little bit better she would *definitely* have won. How can you blame the more extreme fans of the Williamses making comments like "Oh, well she didn't beat Venus *playing well* so it doesn't count" when those sentiments stem from the sisters themselves. Difference between Venus and Serena is Venus will at least say her opponents played well and will never come out with a "all she had to do was get the ball over the net" type comment like her sister. Admitting she was outplayed though? Extremely rare.

I'm well aware of a lot of those quotes and I said that she does go on about herself a lot. And I'm all too aware of that Kim one which pissed me off at the time. And I did say she does irritate me sometimes. But just get the whole interviews. The quote from Kim match - she did actually compliment Kim in that interview if you read it all - the whole interview, not just the bit you've quoted. But that would be boring to pick up on any of those things.

Not all players are the same. Kim wasn't ever like that - but I'm now a fan of Jelena's - and she's getting crucified here for some of her comments where she gets a bit carried away with her own disappointment with some of her losses. But as a fan I love her for those heart on your sleeve saying it how she feels interviews. In both Venus & Jelena cases we often get a distorted view because either we don't bother to read the whole interview. Or it's an article and we have no idea of the context. And it's only the controversial stuff which ever gets quoted.

Beny
Aug 26th, 2007, 01:55 PM
If Justine can match her RG form, she'll be unbeatable..
If Serena can match her AO form,she'll be unbeatable..

If all do,they'll all be unbeatable :unsure: :o

Beny
Aug 26th, 2007, 01:59 PM
v Myskina FO 04 - "I wasn't really in a rhythm today. Normally, I don't think she would beat me because she can't hurt me. Next time I will be ready."
:weirdo:

I didn't know about this quote..
The one about Kim is...funny,too..

Kworb
Aug 26th, 2007, 02:21 PM
If Venus can beat Dementieva in QF then the Slam is hers

tennisfreak15150
Aug 26th, 2007, 02:33 PM
Ooooh, Venus, how modest you are:unsure:

Shepster
Aug 26th, 2007, 03:06 PM
I'm well aware of a lot of those quotes and I said that she does go on about herself a lot. And I'm all too aware of that Kim one which pissed me off at the time. And I did say she does irritate me sometimes. But just get the whole interviews. The quote from Kim match - she did actually compliment Kim in that interview if you read it all - the whole interview, not just the bit you've quoted. But that would be boring to pick up on any of those things.

Not all players are the same. Kim wasn't ever like that - but I'm now a fan of Jelena's - and she's getting crucified here for some of her comments where she gets a bit carried away with her own disappointment with some of her losses. But as a fan I love her for those heart on your sleeve saying it how she feels interviews. In both Venus & Jelena cases we often get a distorted view because either we don't bother to read the whole interview. Or it's an article and we have no idea of the context. And it's only the controversial stuff which ever gets quoted.
Interestingly the Clijsters one was the hardest one for me to find anything from Venus on. Most of the news articles from the time only mentioned Kim's quotes and the one that did mentioned her lack of graciousness as if it were incredibly obvious but lots of others didn't even quote her.

For me, she's not like Serena who just won't praise someone who's beaten her, but it's like that quote about Pironkova, she does say she played well and better than her on the day but then immediately goes on to qualify that it is only because of her. It's almost as if something clicked in her brain that she just admitted she was outplayed and then she goes on the defensive. It's also a huge backhanded compliment to every player she says that about - she played great, very well, but I would have beaten her normally.

Also, the times I could find a transcript of the whole post match interviews (I'd say 90% of those quotes were taken from news stories) there was no context to be needed to understand or qualify what she was saying, she frequently uses the "she played well but if I played x% better I would have won" chestnut and there is nothing needed outside to understand what she's saying with it. I would though like to see fully what she said about the Aussie Open Lisa Raymond loss because there was very little quoted from her aside from her shock.

RenaSlam.
Aug 26th, 2007, 03:07 PM
She's right.

The Dawntreader
Aug 26th, 2007, 03:15 PM
IMO, if Venus plays her best, only Serena can hang with her. Once venus gets going, she can be totally unplayable. She knows what it takes to win here, and she'll be so motivated to do well, especially that she had to miss out last year.

Go venus, just take it one step at a time though Vee:D

GracefulVenus
Aug 26th, 2007, 03:59 PM
Good Luck Venus Williams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jean-Pierre.
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:15 PM
What an arrogant idiot. She'll be lucky to make the quarters.

stevos
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:30 PM
I would be EXTREMELY impressed by Venus if she backed up her Wimbledon win with, say, a semifinal showing here. I don't want another 2005, where she is around for one slam and wins it, and just blows up the rest.

I would be seriously worried for other players if she had a great showing here.

BuTtErFrEnA
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Go Venus!!!

stevos
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:35 PM
You will struggle to find a quote from her when ousted from a grand slam that says it was anything other than her fault. Not being quite as overt as her sister doesn't mean she isn't guilty of it herself.

v Raymond AO 04 - "I'm pretty much in shock. I still can't believe it."
v Molik AO 05 - "I definitely didn't produce my best tennis, that's for sure. It was definitely a match I should have won. I would definitely say when I'm playing well, I feel I'm the best."
+
"I couldn't quite get a handle on what was going wrong. Normally if I'm playing 5% better, I'd win."
v Pironkova AO 06 - "she played very well today. She really did. Obviously, managed to play a little bit better. Actually, I mean, I had so many unforced errors, I just was struggling to keep the ball in today. Just couldn't get it right. Obviously, she benefitted from my largesse. You know, if I had just a third less errors or ten less errors, I think this match is a different story."

v Myskina FO 04 - "I wasn't really in a rhythm today. Normally, I don't think she would beat me because she can't hurt me. Next time I will be ready."
v Karatantcheva F0 05 - " "I think she played well, definitely. But I also felt like if I just played 10 percent better, you know, I'm going to win this match easily."
v Vaidisova FO 06 - "Like I said, she played well. She deserved to win." :eek:
v Jankovic F) 07 - "I don't feel like she came out there and really beat me. I just feel like at times she was a little more patient than I was ... I definitely feel like I could have done things to be in the winner's circle. I don't feel like I went out there and didn't have any courage."

v Sprem W 04 - "I did my best. I just think she played really well and deserved the win," :eek:
v Jankovic W 06 - "she just played well. I had a you know, I wasn't able to play my best. Uhm, yeah, yeah, pretty much."

v Lindsay USO 04 - "It was me. I made too many errors. The thing that hurt me the most was my inconsistency."
v Kim USO 05 - "I was playing decent and she started playing really bad and it totally threw me off. She started hitting these really weird shots and short balls, just weird stuff. Next thing I knew I was playing as bad as she was. She was able to recover. I just wasn't. I guess maybe it was a good strategy."


I'm not a Veetard, but these quotes aren't really proving your points to me...she seems gracious if she actually did get beat (sprem, vaidisova) but in most other cases she did lose in large part to her playing like shit. You can't say she was playing close to her best against Pironkova or Karatantcheva.
Her Kim comment is a bit off :o, but most others are relatively innocent.

Shepster
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:37 PM
Her Kim comment is a bit off :o, but most others are relatively innocent.
When googling the Myskina one was the only one that shocked me.

Matt01
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:45 PM
I'm not a Veetard, but these quotes aren't really proving your points to me...she seems gracious if she actually did get beat (sprem, vaidisova) but in most other cases she did lose in large part to her playing like shit. You can't say she was playing close to her best against Pironkova or Karatantcheva.

So in other words, she just beat herself, right? Yadda, yadda....:rolleyes:

Donny
Aug 26th, 2007, 04:49 PM
So in other words, she just beat herself, right? Yadda, yadda....:rolleyes:

Well, generally speaking, in tennis, when a player plays like shit, the other person wins points, resulting in the other playing winning. So no, Venus didn't beat herself, the other player did.

When she isn't playing like shit, she usually wins.

Easy concept to understand, no?

Matt01
Aug 26th, 2007, 05:05 PM
Well, generally speaking, in tennis, when a player plays like shit, the other person wins points, resulting in the other playing winning. So no, Venus didn't beat herself, the other player did.

When she [isn't[/b] playing like shit, she usually wins.

Easy concept to understand, no?

Errrm, no...the way you explained it, I didn't understand the concept.

I guess with "she" you mean Venus Williams?

And you said that the other player beat herself, and Venus didn't beat herself. But in the example I originally was talking about, it's Venus who lost her matches :scratch:

Expat
Aug 26th, 2007, 05:50 PM
whenever i hear a williams sister say this
the next thing i fear is injury

rjd1111
Aug 26th, 2007, 06:00 PM
[QUOTE=Ntour;11497132]i think its not just the serve that forehand needs to land in the court occassionally as well

i agree she will be extremely ahrd to beat in that form, it is a big if but even so i wouldn't say unbeatable[/QUOTE



"I can't say a player can beat her when she play like this on grass," said Bartoli, who will rise from No. 19 to a career-high No. 11 in the WTA rankings next week. "I mean, it's not possible to beat her. She's just too good, you know."
Williams' loaded serves and groundstrokes sent seismic tremors up Bartoli's arms. By the end of the match, she was gingerly shaking out her overworked wrists. "I'm not playing against girls every day hitting the ball like this," the 22-year-old Bartoli said.

mirzalover
Aug 26th, 2007, 06:09 PM
I bet some guy asked her " Do you feel that if you play like you did at wimbledon this year you'll be almost unbeatable" Her answer "Yeah I think if I can match my Wimbledon form I could be unbeatable at The Open".

Headline- If I can match my Wimbledon form I'll be unbeatable.

cellophane
Aug 26th, 2007, 06:15 PM
"I can't say a player can beat her when she play like this on grass," said Bartoli, who will rise from No. 19 to a career-high No. 11 in the WTA rankings next week. "I mean, it's not possible to beat her. She's just too good, you know."
Williams' loaded serves and groundstrokes sent seismic tremors up Bartoli's arms. By the end of the match, she was gingerly shaking out her overworked wrists. "I'm not playing against girls every day hitting the ball like this," the 22-year-old Bartoli said.


It would be impossible to beat her playing like this for Bartoli.

LUVMIRZA
Aug 26th, 2007, 06:20 PM
I bet some guy asked her " Do you feel that if you play like you did at wimbledon this year you'll almost unbeatable" Her answer "Yeah I think if I can Match My wimbledon form I could Be Unbeatable at The Open".

Headline- If I can match my Wimbledon form I'll be unbeatable.

Yeah. that shuld be the case. And Nobody can be more arrogant than Serena.:toothy:

morningglory
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:03 PM
hehehe not if you run into your sis, Venus :wavey:

Direwolf
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:12 PM
It would be impossible to beat her playing like this for Bartoli.

but Bartoli beat henin and jankovic:confused: :tape:

cellophane
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:15 PM
but Bartoli beat henin and jankovic:confused: :tape:

And?

Olórin
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:20 PM
It would be impossible to beat her playing like this for Bartoli.

If you actually read the quote it says I can't see a player - meaning any player, who can beat her grass.

She also says "it's not possible to beat her," using "it" in the general sense, indicating what she's saying applies to every player once again.

This is only Bartoli's opinion of course.

Nevertheless, Im not sure why you bolded - for Bartoli :shrug:

cellophane
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:22 PM
If you actually read the quote it says I can't see a player - meaning any player, who can beat her grass.

She also says "it's not possible to beat her," using "it" in the general sense, indicating what she's saying applies to every player once again.

This is only Bartoli's opinion of course.



Thats' exactly why I bolded it. It's Bartoli's opinon only.

Olórin
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:27 PM
Thats' exactly why I bolded it. It's Bartoli's opinon only.

Nevertheless Bartoli has been to a Grand Slam Final this year and has beaten the world number one and three. I think her opinion is more valid than most. When she says "Im not playing against girls like this normally," she's not lying is she? She's giving an informed opinion.

Sure you can disagree with it, but saying for Bartoli hardly negates the essence of what she's saying. Add to that, most players would probably agree with her if they had the pleasure of getting beaten 64 61 in a Wimbledon Final ;)

Slutiana
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:34 PM
If Justine can match her RG form, she'll be unbeatable..
If Serena can match her AO form,she'll be unbeatable..

If all do,they'll all be unbeatable :unsure: :o

Not justine. She'd need to be more aggresive

cellophane
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:36 PM
Nevertheless Bartoli has been to a Grand Slam Final this year and has beaten the world number one and three. I think her opinion is more valid than most. When she says "Im not playing against girls like this normally," she's not lying is she? She's giving an informed opinion.No, she isn't lying... she is stating this however after getting 5 games off Venus.... of course she was impressed... her own game doesn't measure up to Venus's. Because she beat Henin and Jankovic doesn't make her the standard to be measured against... she isn't a top player (Although she is top 10 now). I wouldn't put much stock in her opinion therefore.

Olórin
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:40 PM
No, she isn't lying... she is stating this however after getting 5 games off Venus.... of course she was impressed... her own game doesn't measure up to Venus's. Because she beat Henin and Jankovic doesn't make her the standard to be measured against... she isn't a top player (Although she is top 10 now). I wouldn't put much stock in her opinion therefore.

Im not saying she's THE standard to be measured against. Im saying she's of a decent enough standard to be measured against.

Perhaps top players who play the world's best on a more regular basis would be a better judge, on the other hand, if someone is an intelligent and perceptive person, then I see no reason not to give their opinion some credence.....

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:43 PM
:secret: Grass is not hardcourt

Another Williams saying she is da shit without backing it up the lead-up season :o

It's no wonder you are so bitter, they keep making you look stupid. Do you still cut yourself when you get upset?

Venus said she'd was going to win Wimbledon In January. If she executes, she will beat anyone

AcesHigh
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:44 PM
I'm glad Venus is confident. However, I hope she knows she wasn't pushed to the limit this year at Wimbledon. An in-form Serena or Sharapova could be a huge test. And let's not forget about Jankovic who presents a big matchup problem against Venus on most surfaces IMO.

Let's see her get to the quarters first though before we start talking about a title ;)

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:46 PM
Venus has a big mouth when talking about herself and loves to ignore her oponnent´s performance.

Her arrogance can´t be more evident here. Henin could be saying things like this having as reference her 2006 and 2007 French Opens which she won without losing a single set. But she does not, because those are arrogant comments.

Yet Venus played her best/peak/greatest tennis at Wimbledon 2005 and 2007 and yet she lost some sets and just barely won a couple of matches in both years, but yeah unbeateable.. :rolleyes:


Being the queen of clay courts obviously doesn't translate to the same measure of success on Us Open courts.

Infiniti2001
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:50 PM
You will struggle to find a quote from her when ousted from a grand slam that says it was anything other than her fault. Not being quite as overt as her sister doesn't mean she isn't guilty of it herself.

v Raymond AO 04 - "I'm pretty much in shock. I still can't believe it."
v Molik AO 05 - "I definitely didn't produce my best tennis, that's for sure. It was definitely a match I should have won. I would definitely say when I'm playing well, I feel I'm the best."
+
"I couldn't quite get a handle on what was going wrong. Normally if I'm playing 5% better, I'd win."
v Pironkova AO 06 - "she played very well today. She really did. Obviously, managed to play a little bit better. Actually, I mean, I had so many unforced errors, I just was struggling to keep the ball in today. Just couldn't get it right. Obviously, she benefitted from my largesse. You know, if I had just a third less errors or ten less errors, I think this match is a different story."

v Myskina FO 04 - "I wasn't really in a rhythm today. Normally, I don't think she would beat me because she can't hurt me. Next time I will be ready."
v Karatantcheva F0 05 - " "I think she played well, definitely. But I also felt like if I just played 10 percent better, you know, I'm going to win this match easily."
v Vaidisova FO 06 - "Like I said, she played well. She deserved to win." :eek:
v Jankovic F) 07 - "I don't feel like she came out there and really beat me. I just feel like at times she was a little more patient than I was ... I definitely feel like I could have done things to be in the winner's circle. I don't feel like I went out there and didn't have any courage."

v Sprem W 04 - "I did my best. I just think she played really well and deserved the win," :eek:
v Jankovic W 06 - "she just played well. I had a you know, I wasn't able to play my best. Uhm, yeah, yeah, pretty much."

v Lindsay USO 04 - "It was me. I made too many errors. The thing that hurt me the most was my inconsistency."
v Kim USO 05 - "I was playing decent and she started playing really bad and it totally threw me off. She started hitting these really weird shots and short balls, just weird stuff. Next thing I knew I was playing as bad as she was. She was able to recover. I just wasn't. I guess maybe it was a good strategy."

Most of the time she gives little or no credit to the other player for actually winning the match. It's almost always her that loses it or if she'd played a little bit better she would *definitely* have won. How can you blame the more extreme fans of the Williamses making comments like "Oh, well she didn't beat Venus *playing well* so it doesn't count" when those sentiments stem from the sisters themselves. Difference between Venus and Serena is Venus will at least say her opponents played well and will never come out with a "all she had to do was get the ball over the net" type comment like her sister. Admitting she was outplayed though? Extremely rare.

For someone who has been around for one month, you sure have time on your hands :rolleyes: Why don't you focus all your attention on the player in your avatar and leave Venus the hell alone? :help:

Olórin
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:52 PM
It's no wonder you are so bitter, they keep making you look stupid. Do you still cut yourself when you get upset?

Venus said she'd was going to win Wimbledon In January. If she executes, she will beat anyone

Kazmarnica doesn't need to say anything to make him/her look stupid. It's innate.

Infiniti2001
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:52 PM
Bitch please.

She was even vulnerable against Ivanovic who was playing quite badly. She did play well against Sharapova and but she was by no means at 2005 form in the rest of the tournament.

They just can't look away :lol:

Jericho
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:53 PM
No, she isn't lying... she is stating this however after getting 5 games off Venus.... of course she was impressed... her own game doesn't measure up to Venus's. Because she beat Henin and Jankovic doesn't make her the standard to be measured against... she isn't a top player (Although she is top 10 now). I wouldn't put much stock in her opinion therefore.

as a person who actually played venus at wimbledon i'd say she has more of a valid opinion than anyone else about this statement... as well as maria, ana, and svetlana.

Infiniti2001
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Exactly, sorry Queen Vee you have showed you are not a consistent peak player in consecutive slams since 2001 :rolleyes:
I can´t wait until Venus loses at the Open again and come up again with the same lame "i made "too many"/"zillion of" errors" excuse, and see her fans looking for a way to trash talk her conqueror. :bounce:

Damn Venus!! You are the only player to bring this idiot out :lol: http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/439/spraypd6.jpg

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:55 PM
What an arrogant idiot. She'll be lucky to make the quarters.

LOL

Olórin
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:55 PM
Damn Venus!! You are the only player to bring this idiot out :lol: http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/439/spraypd6.jpg

:haha:

Williams fans are in fine form today :lol:

Craigy
Aug 26th, 2007, 07:59 PM
:secret: Grass is not hardcourt

Another Williams saying she is da shit without backing it up the lead-up season :o

Fancy seeing you here! :hearts:

GogoGirl
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:01 PM
Hey All,

Someone please post the post match comments Justine made years ago at AI - or was it Charleston? I'll always agree w/the ones that explains what they could have done better if they lose. How and why should they be expected to explain someone's win against them? Ludicrous.

And all Venus is saying is that if she executes in the ways she knows she can - and in the ways she proved she can still do after her third round match at Wimby - then she is confident it will be hard for anyone to beat her. Duh! Venus playing her best is still better than all the players on the tour playing theirs'. That is my opinion and it is her's.

And ....... please give it up comparing hard courts to Wimby. Mind you, she and Serena are the only two active players w/two US OPEN TITLES! And let's not forget her other US Open finals, hard court titles and the Olympics. Unnnn-huh!

Name the championship players that have won the US Open. I mean, Venus has just a good of a chance in taking them out as they have in taking her out. So the odds would be 50/50 for us - but to a player out there trying to win - they'd be already defeated if they approached the match thinking - "Ok - it's like 30/70 that I'll win this - w/a 30% chance for me." How asinine.

"COME ON VENUS" "ROCK THE BOAT" "YOU CAN DO IT 'CAUSE YOU'RE MOTIVATED BIG TIME" "MAKE ALTHEA EVEN MORE PROUD OF 'YA"

"HANG IN THERE SERENA" "COME ON EVERYBODY"

Apoleb
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:02 PM
They just can't look away :lol:

i.e "I have nothing meaningful to say because I'm not capable of that"

cellophane
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:03 PM
as a person who actually played venus at wimbledon i'd say she has more of a valid opinion than anyone else about this statement... as well as maria, ana, and svetlana.

What does it matter that she played Venus at Wimbledon? Hana Sromova played Venus at Wimbledon too and got killed. Okay, Bartoli is obviously a good player and in a completely different league from Sromova, but she isn't a top player or a Justine. Although I'm sure we will never hear a top player something like this anyway. Sharapova would probably never say anything like that even if she did win less games than Marion... but I doubt that she believes it.

BuTtErFrEnA
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Fancy seeing you here! :hearts:

it's shocking isn't it......good thing i put it on my ignore list :D

DA FOREHAND
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:10 PM
What does it matter that she played Venus at Wimbledon? Hana Sromova played Venus at Wimbledon too and got killed. Okay, Bartoli is obviously a good player and in a completely different league from Sromova, but she isn't a top player or a Justine. Although I'm sure we will never hear a top player something like this anyway. Sharapova would probably never say anything like that even if she did win less games than Marion... but I doubt that she believes it.

I'm glad you understand that. A top player rarely give their oppoenents full credit as that helps them keep their confidence high after a let down.

So next time a player (read Venus or Serena) doesn't laud their opponent after a loss you won't come to the boards to talk shit about them, because you understand.:rolleyes:

cellophane
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:13 PM
I'm glad you understand that. A top player rarely give their oppoenents full credit as that helps them keep their confidence high after a let down.

Um, no. A top player can give their opponent full credit. Saying your opponent is unbeatable is completely different though from giving them credit for the win. So don't try it please. I never expect anyone to say "X is unbeatable" after a loss.

RenaSlam.
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:19 PM
Funny seeing Cellophane here...NOT. :help:

It's only the 4 millionth Williams thread he's entered since he's joined WTA World.

Infiniti2001
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:28 PM
i.e "I have nothing meaningful to say because I'm not capable of that"

Bitch PLEASE!!!!!

Apoleb
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:30 PM
Bitch PLEASE!!!!!

See. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Infiniti2001
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:31 PM
See. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Give yourself a big hand then :lol:
P.S. what's left to say when the naysayers show up in every thread pertaining to Venus to spew their usual diatribe? :shrug:

RenaSlam.
Aug 26th, 2007, 08:59 PM
When Serena and Venus make somewhat outlandish statements, usually it is truth.

Whether you like it or not, haters. :)

Thanx4nothin
Aug 26th, 2007, 09:13 PM
Well I think there's a lot of truth in that, unbeatable is a stretch but i can smell what she's stepping in! :lol:

Jericho
Aug 26th, 2007, 09:31 PM
What does it matter that she played Venus at Wimbledon? Hana Sromova played Venus at Wimbledon too and got killed. Okay, Bartoli is obviously a good player and in a completely different league from Sromova, but she isn't a top player or a Justine. Although I'm sure we will never hear a top player something like this anyway. Sharapova would probably never say anything like that even if she did win less games than Marion... but I doubt that she believes it.

why does it matter that she played venus at wimbledon? ... because the quote says that Venus thinks that IF she plays like she did Wimbledon 2007 she would be unbeatable... so the only people who can judge this statement the best are the players who actually played her when she was in that form right? especially marion who had the opportunity to play and beat both justine and jelena in that same tournament.

cellophane
Aug 26th, 2007, 09:40 PM
why does it matter that she played venus at wimbledon? ... because the quote says that Venus thinks that IF she plays like she did Wimbledon 2007 she would be unbeatable... so the only people who can judge this statement the best are the players who actually played her when she was in that form right? especially marion who had the opportunity to play and beat both justine and jelena in that same tournament.

Marion isn't a top player - whether she played Venus in good form or beat Jelena and Justine or not isn't really important - so it doesn't really matter. Anyway, "unbeatable" is quite ridiculous but oh so typical.

Jericho
Aug 26th, 2007, 09:51 PM
Marion isn't a top player - whether she played Venus in good form or beat Jelena and Justine or not isn't really important - so it doesn't really matter. Anyway, "unbeatable" is quite ridiculous but oh so typical.

i would understand your point if Marion was inexperienced and faced a bunch of nobodies on her way to playing Venus... but she beat Justine, #1 and GS champ, and faced other top players... i think her opinion of venus compared to the players she faced in wimbledon is justified.

AcesHigh
Aug 26th, 2007, 10:06 PM
Marion isn't a top player - whether she played Venus in good form or beat Jelena and Justine or not isn't really important - so it doesn't really matter. Anyway, "unbeatable" is quite ridiculous but oh so typical.

I don't think it's that ridiculous. Both Serena and Venus have showed they are nearly unstoppable when on the top of their game.

And, honestly, looking at the field at the moment, if Venus plays like she did at Wimbledon, I don't see anyone who can stop her. Bartoli is not a top player, that's correct, but she's played against top players and at Wimbledon, she played like one. I think her opinion is worth a lot more than yours, or anyone who hasn't faced Venus when she plays that well.

StarDuvallGrant
Aug 26th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Wait :scratch: what's wrong with what Venus said? Just in the other thread about Carillo's statements, some of the same people in this thread attacking Venus were applauding Carillo. Isn't Venus just going down the same lines? Why is it wrong now?

marycarillosucks
Aug 26th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Any of the Top 200 men would beat Venus easily no matter what form she is in.

Infiniti2001
Aug 26th, 2007, 10:26 PM
Wait :scratch: what's wrong with what Venus said? Just in the other thread about Carillo's statements, some of the same people in this thread attacking Venus were applauding Carillo. Isn't Venus just going down the same lines? Why is it wrong now?


Chalk one up for the hypocrisy and double standards on this board dear :help:

Matt01
Aug 26th, 2007, 10:38 PM
I don't think it's that ridiculous. Both Serena and Venus have showed they are nearly unstoppable when on the top of their game.

Justina, Maria, Lindsay (to name a few) have already shown (btw, it's "shown" not "showed" :wavey: ) that they can do the same, yet these players don't need to remind themselves so often that they are "unbeatable". :rolleyes:

Apoleb
Aug 26th, 2007, 10:44 PM
And, honestly, looking at the field at the moment, if Venus plays like she did at Wimbledon, I don't see anyone who can stop her.

You really think she played 2005 form?

What was her competition in the second week?

Kuznetsova who hasn't beaten a top player in a GS in like.. forever? Or Ivanovic who couldn't hit a serve to save her life in that match, and still took Venus to a very tight second set? Or Bartoli, who granted played well, but isn't a top player by any means?

Her most impressive match was against Sharapova, but again whose serve was quite bad in the first set. She played solid and well enough in her last 3 matches, but in all of them, still had rough patches. An on form Serena, Amelie or even Justine would've taken advantage of that. She was by no means invincible. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.

Infiniti2001
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:16 PM
Venus played who was across the net-- it's not her fault that the players who could have taken advance got beaten :shrug:

cellophane
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:25 PM
I don't think it's that ridiculous. Both Serena and Venus have showed they are nearly unstoppable when on the top of their game.

For some reason players like Lindsay, Justine and Mary Peirce haven't said they are unbeatable even though their top level of tennis is pretty hard to beat too.

And, honestly, looking at the field at the moment, if Venus plays like she did at Wimbledon, I don't see anyone who can stop her. Bartoli is not a top player, that's correct, but she's played against top players and at Wimbledon, she played like one. I think her opinion is worth a lot more than yours, or anyone who hasn't faced Venus when she plays that well.

Marion has beaten top players in one tournament... but if you want to say that means that her opinion is credible, go ahead. For that matter Venus hasn't played a Justine or Jelena playing good tennis either, as she potentially would in this tournament.

Viktymise
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:28 PM
You really think she played 2005 form?

What was her competition in the second week?

Kuznetsova who hasn't beaten a top player in a GS in like.. forever? Or Ivanovic who couldn't hit a serve to save her life in that match, and still took Venus to a very tight second set? Or Bartoli, who granted played well, but isn't a top player by any means?

Her most impressive match was against Sharapova, but again whose serve was quite bad in the first set. She played solid and well enough in her last 3 matches, but in all of them, still had rough patches. An on form Serena, Amelie or even Justine would've taken advantage of that. She was by no means invincible. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.

Just because Kuznetsova hasn't beaten a top player in a slam for a while doesn't take anything away from the fact that Venus played a great match and Kuznetsova played well too. In both the 4th round and the quater finals she played too good for anyone in that event. Against Ivanovic she did not play as well as she did in the 2 previous rounds, so i don't know why you keep mentioning that match because Ivanovic played a decent 2nd set, just couldn't get into it.

Also anyone who thinks Venus's serve at Wimbledon 2005 was better than her serve at Wimbledon 2007 is :weirdo: Venus's serve at Wimbledon this yea was the best its been since 2003 before the Stomach tear. She serves the way she did at Wimbledon from the 4th round on then she should be at least in the semi's

Pureracket
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:34 PM
For some reason players like Lindsay, Justine and Mary Peirce haven't said they are unbeatable even though their top level of tennis is pretty hard to beat too.
Umm....you Williams detractors sometimes get in such a rhythm of refutation that you don't really know what you're talking about(or maybe you do, but you just want to be in "da mix" when it comes to trying to castigate the Williams Sisters...LOL).

Mary Pierce and LD have both said that, when they're playing their best, nobody can really beat them. Pierce said it after she won that French Open when she whipped up on Steffi. LD said it after she beat Serena in '00 @ the USO.

Paraphrase from Pierce: I'm feeling so good, and this moment I don't think anybody can beat me on clay.

Paraphrase from LD after asked if she would win the tourney(oddly she lost in the final to Venus E. S. Williams): Yeah, I'm feeling confident now, and I don't see anybody beating me if I'm playing like this.

Detract agains the Williams Sisters, but make sure your facts are correct.

Apoleb
Aug 26th, 2007, 11:56 PM
Against Ivanovic she did not play as well as she did in the 2 previous rounds, so i don't know why you keep mentioning that match because Ivanovic played a decent 2nd set, just couldn't get into it.


You don't know why I keep mentioning that? :weirdo: If Venus was being inconsistent between matches at the latter stages of a GS, then on what basis her Wimbledon form would make her "unbeatable" on a surface that is not even her best?

And obviously Kuznetsova's GS record is important to indicate whether Venus' form should be seen as so indicative of her invincibality. Venus played well, but I'd hardly take that match as proof of what she's saying, especially that she played someone, who like usual, couldn't find a consistent rhythm in a GS.

That doesn't take anything away from Venus, cause she win Wimbledon fair and square and was the best player this year there.

Viktymise
Aug 27th, 2007, 12:02 AM
You don't know why I keep mentioning that? :weirdo: If Venus was being inconsistent between matches at the latter stages of a GS, then on what basis her Wimbledon form would make her "unbeatable" on a surface that is not even her best?

And obviously Kuznetsova's GS record is important to indicate whether Venus' form should be seen as so indicative of her invincibality. Venus played well, but I'd hardly take that match as proof of what she's saying, especially that she played someone, who like usual, couldn't find a consistent rhythm in a GS.

That doesn't take anything away from Venus, cause she win Wimbledon fair and square and was the best player this year there.
Even though she wasn't as good against Ivanovic as she was in her previous 2 rounds, it was still a high level of tennis, she was serving great, coming up with some fantastic shots in the 2nd set when it looked like Ivanovic was starting to do something. Venus didn't allow Ivanovic to play her best tennis.

starin
Aug 27th, 2007, 12:38 AM
I actually think she played better in the Memphis final. But she played very well at Wimbledon. And if she played like that at the USO she def. could beat most everybody in the draw. The thing is that Wimbledon wasn't even her best tennis. It was her most controlled tennis she's played in awhile but not her best. And she still was barely bothered by any of hte top 10 players she faced. Some people here just have sour grapes about the WS.

AcesHigh
Aug 27th, 2007, 12:38 AM
You don't know why I keep mentioning that? :weirdo: If Venus was being inconsistent between matches at the latter stages of a GS, then on what basis her Wimbledon form would make her "unbeatable" on a surface that is not even her best?

And obviously Kuznetsova's GS record is important to indicate whether Venus' form should be seen as so indicative of her invincibality. Venus played well, but I'd hardly take that match as proof of what she's saying, especially that she played someone, who like usual, couldn't find a consistent rhythm in a GS.

That doesn't take anything away from Venus, cause she win Wimbledon fair and square and was the best player this year there.

:confused: Did you see the matches with Ivanovic and Kuznetsova??? Kuznetsova played pretty well and Venus still took it to her. In the Ivanovic match, Venus did what she needed to win. Kuznetsova couldn't find consistent rhythm?? :rolleyes:
Venus was more inconsitent in Wimbledon 2005 than she was in 2007. Her shot selection and serving has improved. And it's not like grass is much different from hardcourt for Venus... if anything, the faster surface will make her more dangerous. The problem is her form.. not the surface.

AcesHigh
Aug 27th, 2007, 12:46 AM
I actually think she played better in the Memphis final. But she played very well at Wimbledon. And if she played like that at the USO she def. could beat most everybody in the draw. The thing is that Wimbledon wasn't even her best tennis. It was her most controlled tennis she's played in awhile but not her best. And she still was barely bothered by any of hte top 10 players she faced. Some people here just have sour grapes about the WS.

The difference is the Memphis final was just one match. Before that match, Venus wasn't really that impressive. At Wimbledon she had a controlled, impressive performance throughout the tournament. Her serve was the best it's been in years. She wasn't at her peak, but the errors were cut down and that's what usually kills Venus... yet, she wasn't too defensive like she was often in 2004.

IMHO, if Venus can find that "controlled aggression" and great serving she had a Wimbledon.. the statement she made doesn't seem that far-fetched.

Shepster
Aug 27th, 2007, 12:52 AM
At Wimbledon she had a controlled, impressive performance throughout the tournament.
Did you only watch the second week? Losing sets to Kudryavtseva and Morigami winning both 7-5 in the third was neither controlled nor impressive.

starin
Aug 27th, 2007, 12:53 AM
:confused: Did you see the matches with Ivanovic and Kuznetsova??? Kuznetsova played pretty well and Venus still took it to her. In the Ivanovic match, Venus did what she needed to win. Kuznetsova couldn't find consistent rhythm?? :rolleyes:
Venus was more inconsitent in Wimbledon 2005 than she was in 2007. Her shot selection and serving has improved. And it's not like grass is much different from hardcourt for Venus... if anything, the faster surface will make her more dangerous. The problem is her form.. not the surface.

exactly. Venus is great on fast hard courts. The faster the surface the better for her. Grass this year was pretty slow. Memphis final was only one match but still it's the best I've seen from her in awhile. IMO if Venus plays the way she did (and that's a big fat IF)at Wimbledon then she will most likely win the USO unless Serena somehow catches fire or Ivanovic improves a lot overnight and becomes the future champion she most likely will eventually become.

Foot_Fault
Aug 27th, 2007, 12:59 AM
You really think she played 2005 form?

What was her competition in the second week?

Kuznetsova who hasn't beaten a top player in a GS in like.. forever? Or Ivanovic who couldn't hit a serve to save her life in that match, and still took Venus to a very tight second set? Or Bartoli, who granted played well, but isn't a top player by any means?

Her most impressive match was against Sharapova, but again whose serve was quite bad in the first set. She played solid and well enough in her last 3 matches, but in all of them, still had rough patches. An on form Serena, Amelie or even Justine would've taken advantage of that. She was by no means invincible. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.

You haven't learned huh? I will see you 2 Saturday's from now.:wavey:

Thanx4nothin
Aug 27th, 2007, 01:05 AM
You haven't learned huh? I will see you 2 Saturday's from now.:wavey:

Aploeb is such a pretentious fool! :rolleyes:

Infiniti2001
Aug 27th, 2007, 01:16 AM
Did you only watch the second week? Losing sets to Kudryavtseva and Morigami winning both 7-5 in the third was neither controlled nor impressive.

What's your obsession with Venus ?? At the end of the day she won the matches and that's what that counts. Move on already :rolleyes:

Shepster
Aug 27th, 2007, 01:22 AM
What's your obsession with Venus ?? At the end of the day she won the matches and that's what that counts. Move on already :rolleyes:
Obsession? :lol: It's a discussion board about Tennis, she's one of the best players in the world, I'm going to have an opinion on her. I totally agree that winning the matches is what counts, but to then claim retrospectively that all was fine and dandy and she did so in an impressive manner when she *clearly* didn't (read Venus's own comments on the matches) is quite ridiculous.

Do you think she was "impressive" in the first week of Wimbledon? If yes, you're delusional/didn't see the matches, if no then why question my bringing up a point? It's valid, it's on topic, deal with it.

Apoleb
Aug 27th, 2007, 01:57 AM
Aploeb is such a pretentious fool! :rolleyes:

Well, that's far better than being a complete retarded troll.

Obviously arguing with many of the Williams brigade is a complete waste of time. 'She did enough to beat Ivanovic' and somehow that is translating to her form was unbeatable. *sigh* I should've known better.

At Wimbledon she had a controlled, impressive performance throughout the tournament.

:haha:

doni1212
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:05 AM
I'm laughing at all of you. It doesn't matter how bad she played in the opening rounds of Wimbledon or that she wasn't impressive Shepster. At the end of the day, she still got her 6th grand slam title and 4th Wimbledon while breaking her own record of 2005, of being the lowest seed to do it. Now that is once again, history made by a Williams sister.

danieln1
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:06 AM
Yeah, she also said that she thought she wouldn´t lose a match in this summer... I guess Chakvetadze didn´t notice that!

mygirlV
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:06 AM
I'm laughing at all of you. It doesn't matter how bad she played in the opening rounds of Wimbledon or that she wasn't impressive Shepster. At the end of the day, she still got her 6th grand slam title and 4th Wimbledon while breaking her own record of 2005, of being the lowest seed to do it. Now that is once again, history made by a Williams sister.
And everyone say 'Amen':angel:

Asaph
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:09 AM
A troll is someone who says any thing even if they don't believe it to provoke other posters. The Williams fans have only defended their favs. No Williams fan has gone to anothers thread to provoke but you trolls (who fit the definition of a troll) always have something negative to say about the Williams whether true or not w/ the express purpose of provoking their fans. You always make sure you enter a thread started by a fan to say it. YOU ARE THE TROLLS.

If Venus plays well she does have a good chance to win the US Open. If you are so threatened by her saying this then ignore it.

Shepster
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:13 AM
I'm laughing at all of you. It doesn't matter how bad she played in the opening rounds of Wimbledon or that she wasn't impressive Shepster.
But it does matter when that is what was being discussed rather than her win. It was her form in the rounds we were talking about - read the thread. I'm not taking anything away from her achievement, I agree overall results are the only thing that matter, but I was responding to comments about the way she played over the whole tournament so obviously I'm going to mention the matches which even she admits she wasn't playing well in.

volta
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:13 AM
Yeah, she also said that she thought she wouldn´t lose a match in this summer... I guess Chakvetadze didn´t notice that!

wrong. she said she thought she had a great chance of not losing one she didnt say she was not going to lose. 2 different things :wavey:

tennis_fanno
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:16 AM
Yeah, she also said that she thought she wouldn´t lose a match in this summer... I guess Chakvetadze didn´t notice that! yeah that's true:p .. but I don't know, venus is so impredictible, at wimbledon she defeated the favorites easier than morigami or alla.I mean she crashed maria,sveta,ana and bartoli:eek:

AcesHigh
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:22 AM
Did you only watch the second week? Losing sets to Kudryavtseva and Morigami winning both 7-5 in the third was neither controlled nor impressive.

True, but when you get through those early rounds... no one really looks back at if you struggled or not when you blast through the second week. I was referring to the R16 on... and responding to someone who said she was inconsistent in late round of GS(pointing to Wimbledon) :rolleyes:

AcesHigh
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:24 AM
wrong. she said she thought she had a great chance of not losing one she didnt say she was not going to lose. 2 different things :wavey:

Comments by Venus and Serena are always taken out of context, skewed or changed... nothing new ;)

Marshmallow
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:26 AM
:cool: Venus STAR Williams gives the board another 9+ page thread. Honestly where would this board be without her?

Now, i can understand why her words have created such a fuss, but my interpretation was as follows. The important thing about Venus's form in that second week of wimbledon was NOT that her forehand or backhand was on fire - they were solid. The important factor was - that in those last 4 matches, her UFE count was 'low' (for her). [This ties is with those 'Venus beat herslef comments']. While i can understand why some of you guys think her comments are arrogant or ridiculous - can we remember the last time Venus Williams was beaten (easily) when she was not making 40+ UFEs? I can't.

Point being that, Venus obviously feels that - and i tend to agree - that when she is not spraying the ball around, she is VERY tough to beat. When she is not spraying the ball around, well, you saw it with Maria Sharapova on two occassions - her opponents are bewildered, sometimes whimpering and even in pain. Jankovic and Bartoli amonst others have talked about thinking their wrists were going to break rallying against Venus. It's safe to say when Venus is not aiming for Mars in her matches, her opponents will be experiencing a nightmare.

Infiniti2001
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:29 AM
Obsession? :lol: It's a discussion board about Tennis, she's one of the best players in the world, I'm going to have an opinion on her. I totally agree that winning the matches is what counts, but to then claim retrospectively that all was fine and dandy and she did so in an impressive manner when she *clearly* didn't (read Venus's own comments on the matches) is quite ridiculous.

Do you think she was "impressive" in the first week of Wimbledon? If yes, you're delusional/didn't see the matches, if no then why question my bringing up a point? It's valid, it's on topic, deal with it.

Like I said before, you can bring those 2 matches up until the cows come home-- it doesn't cahnge the fact that she won them when all was said and done--- Moving on :help:

Marshmallow
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:36 AM
Obsession? :lol: It's a discussion board about Tennis, she's one of the best players in the world, I'm going to have an opinion on her. I totally agree that winning the matches is what counts, but to then claim retrospectively that all was fine and dandy and she did so in an impressive manner when she *clearly* didn't (read Venus's own comments on the matches) is quite ridiculous.

Do you think she was "impressive" in the first week of Wimbledon? If yes, you're delusional/didn't see the matches, if no then why question my bringing up a point? It's valid, it's on topic, deal with it.

Venus was quite open and honest about the fact that she did not play well in her first 3 matches. I think you guys are being picky perhaps understandably. When we look back on her performance at wimbledon generally - her run to the title was impressive. Low UFE count, served well, and won her final 4 matches - which are meant to be the toughest ones - in staright sets (and i think in each set, she did not lose more than 5 games). That IS impressive, that does NOT happen a lot on the tour.

So she scored 5/7 ... that's still impressive on the whole.

Infiniti2001
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:42 AM
Venus was quite open and honest about the fact that she did not play well in her first 3 matches. I think you guys are being picky perhaps understandably. When we look back on her performance at wimbledon generally - her run to the title was impressive. Low UFE count, served well, and won her final 4 matches - which are meant to be the toughest ones - in staright sets (and i think in each set, she did not lose more than 5 games). That IS impressive, that does NOT happen a lot on the tour.

So she scored 5/7 ... that's still impressive on the whole.

No shit--- and don't forget she was only broken 3 times in her last 4 matches :wavey:

Marshmallow
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:48 AM
Venus played who was across the net-- it's not her fault that the players who could have taken advance got beaten :shrug:

I agree, and have to add: Venus' opponents in the latter rounds were playing well enough to get to those stages. It's unfair to focus on their weaknesses in their match against Venus, when obviously these weaknesses were good enough to beat their other opponents.

Maria's groundstrokes were as good as ever and she got spanked viciously - AGAIN. Kuznetsova was also playing pretty well - she was one of the in form players of the tournament and she was probably confident she could beat Venus having beat her in warsaw - but Venus stood up to Kuznetsova's heavy groundstrokes and then gave her back some. Ana was not in the best form, but mentally she was fighting all the way and couldnt find a way past the walll of Venus - Bartoli was on fire... beating Justine, Jelena and Krajicek. But Venus tamed her pretty well, almost breaking her wrists i might add.

Venus was IMPRESSIVE!

Marshmallow
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:49 AM
No shit--- and don't forget she was only broken 3 times in her last 4 matches :wavey:

And this is the WTA - where breaks of serves occur as frequently as breathing. IMPRESSIVE! :D

Infiniti2001
Aug 27th, 2007, 02:56 AM
And this is the WTA - where breaks of serves occur as frequently as breathing. IMPRESSIVE! :D

After every round they invented reasons why she wouldn't/couldn't beat her opponent and she shut them up each time. Let's face it, Venus winning Wimbledon is just a bitter pill for those who had called her washed up to swallow :lol: Hopefully she can shut them up again this time around . Go Venus :wavey:

Apoleb
Aug 27th, 2007, 03:16 AM
Venus was IMPRESSIVE!

True, no one is arguing agaisnt that (at least not me). When you win your 4th rd till final in straight sets, you have to be impressive. She didn't show that her form was unbeatable IMO. She still had rough patches in her last 2 matches, and had she caught an Ivanovic who would have been able to deliver on the serve, we could have seen a much tougher match. That's far from being unbeatable.

Infiniti2001
Aug 27th, 2007, 03:28 AM
True, no one is arguing agaisnt that (at least not me). When you win your 4th rd till final in straight sets, you have to be impressive. She didn't show that her form was unbeatable IMO. She still had rough patches in her last 2 matches, and had she caught an Ivanovic who would have been able to deliver on the serve, we could have seen a much tougher match. That's far from being unbeatable.

Of course she had rough patches--- bottom-line , she overcame them and that's all that matters... And why should anyone wonder what would have been had Ivanovic been able to deliver on her serve? This was a slam semi final for crying out loud. It's not Venus's fault that Ana did not play to her potential. Venus played the cards she was dealt--- too bad her opponents did not take advantage during her rough patches :shrug:

Marshmallow
Aug 27th, 2007, 03:30 AM
Generally i agree that 'unbeatable' was the wrong choice of words. No-one is unbeatable, not even Federer. But i still think when she is in decent form, not making a ridiculous amount of errors, she is very tough for anyone to beat. Same goes for Serena and Justine though. *Fingers crossed she's in decent form from the start so she doesn't live to regret these comments...* The forums will go into meltdown!! :D

vwfan
Aug 27th, 2007, 03:33 AM
Go Venus. Take the title home with another Wimbledon-U.S. Open double. You can do it! :worship:

Apoleb
Aug 27th, 2007, 03:42 AM
Of course she had rough patches--- bottom-line , she overcame them and that's all that matters... And why should anyone wonder what would have been had Ivanovic been able to deliver on her serve? This was a slam semi final for crying out loud. It's not Venus's fault that Ana did not play to her potential. Venus played the cards she was dealt--- too bad her opponents did not take advantage during her rough patches :shrug:

Jesus effin Christ. I'm not doubting the legitimacy of Venus' win. In fact, I said she won it fair and square, totally deserved it, and WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE TOURNAMENT. You're right about you said, but it's irrelevent to the point I'm making. She said the form that she showed in Wimbledon will make her unbeatable at the US. I disagreed with that because, while she looked solid and impressive, I don't think her form showed that she'd be unbeatable against a Serena or Justine or someone else playing at her best. Very hard to beat, definitely in contention for the title..etc, yes, but unbeatable, no.

That's the last thing I'll say about this topic. It's amazing that if someone disagrees that Venus is a goddess, invincible..etc is slammed by the Williams brigade again, as a hater, a "nay sayer" or whatever. :lol:

Tennisstar86
Aug 27th, 2007, 03:44 AM
Generally i agree that 'unbeatable' was the wrong choice of words. No-one is unbeatable, not even Federer. But i still think when she is in decent form, not making a ridiculous amount of errors, she is very tough for anyone to beat. Same goes for Serena and Justine though. *Fingers crossed she's in decent form from the start so she doesn't live to regret these comments...* The forums will go into meltdown!! :D

y? lol she said if she meets her wimbledon form.... obviously if she plays bad shes doesnt reach her wimbledon form so why would she be eating these words?

Infiniti2001
Aug 27th, 2007, 03:47 AM
That's the last thing I'll say about this topic. It's amazing that if someone disagrees that Venus is a goddess, invincible..etc is slammed by the Williams brigade again, as a hater, a "nay sayer" or whatever. :lol:

Buh Bye :wavey: :lol: I really need to put my ass in bed http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7109/funnygo1.gif

DA FOREHAND
Aug 27th, 2007, 03:52 AM
Did you only watch the second week? Losing sets to Kudryavtseva and Morigami winning both 7-5 in the third was neither controlled nor impressive.


The important thing is when an inexperienced player tried to take it to her she responded in time to salvage the match and move on in the tournament. Jankovic, got pissy and rolled over:( , and Justine burried her face in her towel and took the beating:sad: . See the difference? When faced w/a challenge Venus stepped up and was bold.:worship: :worship:


Can't believe this thread still has legs!!:eek: Obviously Venus Williams has many fans who love her and many fans that wouldn't exist here w/out her

DA FOREHAND
Aug 27th, 2007, 03:54 AM
Jesus effin Christ. I'm not doubting the legitimacy of Venus' win. In fact, I said she won it fair and square, totally deserved it, and WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE TOURNAMENT. You're right about you said, but it's irrelevent to the point I'm making. She said the form that she showed in Wimbledon will make her unbeatable at the US. I disagreed with that because, while she looked solid and impressive, I don't think her form showed that she'd be unbeatable against a Serena or Justine or someone else playing at her best. Very hard to beat, definitely in contention for the title..etc, yes, but unbeatable, no.

That's the last thing I'll say about this topic. It's amazing that if someone disagrees that Venus is a goddess, invincible..etc is slammed by the Williams brigade again, as a hater, a "nay sayer" or whatever. :lol:

When has Justine ever played at her best? Please include the tournament and her opponent.

Marshmallow
Aug 27th, 2007, 04:00 AM
y? lol she said if she meets her wimbledon form.... obviously if she plays bad shes doesnt reach her wimbledon form so why would she be eating these words?

:D Lets just see what happens. But you're right - she did say 'IF'. [At least i know what i'll be saying if things don't go to plan :tape:]

Kart
Aug 27th, 2007, 03:43 PM
Why do I keep thinking of Pavlov's dogs when I read this thread ?