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CanIGetAWhat
Aug 24th, 2007, 10:44 PM
Henin has slight edge at wide "Open"

Venus, Serena Williams along with Sharapova also among top contenders

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Justine Henin's superb season could get even better by her winning the U.S. Open title as she has a slight edge over the other top contenders at the hardcourt major, writes Tracy Austin of MSNBC.com.

COMMENTARY
By Tracy Austin
MSNBC contributor
Updated: 1 hour, 8 minutes ago

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Tracy Austin

A U.S. Open runner-up last year, Justine Henin is my favorite to win the hardcourt major this time around, which would give her a second Grand Slam title in 2007.

Earlier this year Henin won the French Open. She missed the Australian Open while going through a divorce, and was upset in the Wimbledon semifinals by Marion Bartoli.

But Henin is not an overwhelming favorite, and this major is wide open. Henin is one of six players with a solid shot to take the title, the others being Serena Williams, Venus Williams, Maria Sharapova, Jelena Jankovic, and Ana Ivanovic. With the exception of Sharapova, all of these players are in the top half of the draw.

Let's take a look at Henin and the other top women to watch.

Belgian looks the best
Henin has had a solid year, winning six of 10 tournaments. Her confidence could very well have been shaken after the stunning loss to Bartoli in London, but she has rebounded nicely, winning the Rogers Cup in Toronto on Aug. 19 to restore any confidence that she might have lost.

Henin had inflammation in her right shoulder and considered withdrawing from that final, but she decided to play and beat Jelena Jankovic in straight sets. The Belgian appeared physically fine during the match, and having the week off before the U.S. Open can only work to her advantage.

If it is Henin and Sharapova in the final, the Belgian should come into that clash confident. She has beaten the Russian in three of their last four matches, all of which have come on hardcourts over the last two years.

Serena Williams
A left thumb injury has sidelined her since Wimbledon, where she lost in the quarterfinals to Henin. The American doesn't want that to become a recurring theme as she also fell to the Belgian in the quarterfinals of the French Open, and if the seeds play to form in Flushing it will be eighth-seeded Serena vs. the top-seeded Henin in the quarters once again.

Serena has proven in the past she does not need a lot of preparation in order to win a major. She surprised just about everyone by winning the Australian Open after playing just 16 matches in 2006, and she did beat Henin in Miami in April. If she does face and beat Henin in the quarterfinals, her semifinal opponent could be sister Venus, or Jankovic, or Ivanovic.

Venus Williams
Since Wimbledon Venus has only played two Federation Cup matches in mid July, and four matches at a WTA Tour event in San Diego early this month. Even though Venus has played little this summer, her coming off a title at Wimbledon will work in her favor in Flushing. Whenever a player wins a major there's a great boost of self confidence. Raising the championship trophy at a major has a carry-over effect.

Venus, who is seeded 12th, can shake off match rust pretty quickly. The game Venus was playing at the end of Wimbledon is a game good enough to win the U.S. Open. If she shows that Wimbledon form on the hardcourts she's an opponent no one will want to go up against, and she's certainly a top contender for the title. Her draw though could put her to the test in a succession of matches, potentially Ivanovic in the fourth round, Jankovic in the quarterfinals, either sister Serena or Henin in the semifinals, and Sharapova in the final.

Maria Sharapova
The second-seeded Russian will be looking to win her second consecutive U.S. Open title and the third major of her career. In prevailing at Flushing last summer she did so in impressive fashion, capped off be a semifinal win over Amelie Mauresmo and a final triumph over Henin.

The biggest question surrounding Sharapova is how well she will serve since for a number of months she's had an issue with her right shoulder. She won on hardcourts this summer at San Diego, but the following week pulled out of a tournament in Los Angeles before the semifinals with a lower leg injury and hasn't played since. But she says her leg will be fine for the U.S. Open.

Sharapova loves hardcourts. Last year she was off the charts as far as desire and drive to win the U.S. Open and I don't expect her to be any less hungry to take the title this fortnight. And with such a favorable draw, she has an excellent chance at making the final.

Jelena Jankovic
The 22-year-old rising star made a strong run at last year's U.S. Open, where as the No. 19 seed she made it to the semifinals before losing in three sets for Henin. Hardcourts are a great surface for the No. 3 seed.

Jankovic is very impressive. The only thing she is missing in her game is a big serve. Jankovic displays a lot of emotion on the court and that's good. She has the best backhand down the line in the game. It's lethal.

Also, her defensive skills are second to none. She's very quick around the court and has great anticipation. That combination makes it very tough for opponents to get balls past her. That's the thing that stands out most about her. She's a lot like the retired Kim Clijsters in that opponents just don't have much confidence they can get a ball past her. On defense, she can hit an offensive shot extremely well.

Jankovic just doesn't give up. She hits big when she needs to, but also seems to know when to pull back to stay in a point. She gets how to construct a point. There's a lot to love about her game. Her first real test shouldn't come until the quarterfinals where she could go up against Venus or Ivanovic.

Ana Ivanovic
The 19-year-old will be playing only her third U.S. Open, but she comes into the major having given a very strong account of herself at the French Open and at Wimbledon. In Paris she made the final before bowing to Henin, and in London she got to the semifinals before falling to Venus.

She won on the hardcourts in Los Angeles and is clearly a top player on the rise although I'm not sure she's ready yet to win a major. One thing the fifth seed needs to get much better at is being able to adjust her game when things are working well for her in a match. For her to get out of her quarter of the draw she may need wins consecutive wins over Venus and Jankovic.

Other players to watch

Svetlana Kuznetsova is a former U.S. Open champion (2004) whose game has pretty much been stalled since she won her only major. She has huge weapons in a big serve and monstrous forehands and must always be considered dangerous. But she doesn't seem to know how to construct points, and isn't polished as making adjustments during matches.

Tatiana Golovin of France, who is the 17th seed, has improved her serve, she's getting stronger, and constructs points well. At 19, she moves well and hits hard. At last year's U.S. Open she lost Sharapova in two tiebreak sets in the quarterfinals. This summer in Toronto she beat Svetlana Kuznetsova and gave Jelena Jankovic a battle. Golovin faces a possible third-round match against 15th-seeded Dinara Safina and and fourth-round encounter with Henin.

Sidelined since Wimbledon with mononucleosis, 13th-seeded Nicole Vaidisova returns to the tour at the U.S. Open. The 18-year-old Czech is tall and strong and finished 2006 ranked No. 10. Vaidisova is looking at a potential fourth-round meeting with Sharapova.

Anna Chakvetadze is seeded sixth and is rising fast. She won hardcourt tournaments earlier this summer in Stanford and Cincinnati. She followed that up in San Diego by taking a three-setter from Venus before exiting in the semifinals against Sharapova, who she could meet up with in the quarterfinals in Flushing.

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Slutiana
Aug 24th, 2007, 10:50 PM
fair analysis, she chose henin at her own peril though. This is venus' US Open. Im glad to see tati's name there:hearts: and yes she does move well:p

Shepster
Aug 24th, 2007, 10:54 PM
My god, did she even SEE Golovin play Sveta? Sveta cruised the first set then proceeded to completely throw away the match. The second set was the single worst set of tennis from 2 players playing atrociously at the same time I've seen in years. Truly awful match which shows nothing to Tati's form. Tati did play much better though against JJ, fair enough, but it's not as if she was ripping through opponents prior to that, her match against Vakulenko had touches of class but it was Julia's UE-fest that decided the contest.

Also, JJ doesn't have a test until Venus? So Elena Dementieva does not constitute a "real test"? :scratch:

tennnisfannn
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:06 PM
Still seems so unfair that all contenders have to eliminate each other before the final. that analysis says it all.

Tennisstar86
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:09 PM
My god, did she even SEE Golovin play Sveta? Sveta cruised the first set then proceeded to completely throw away the match. The second set was the single worst set of tennis from 2 players playing atrociously at the same time I've seen in years. Truly awful match which shows nothing to Tati's form. Tati did play much better though against JJ, fair enough, but it's not as if she was ripping through opponents prior to that, her match against Vakulenko had touches of class but it was Julia's UE-fest that decided the contest.

Also, JJ doesn't have a test until Venus? So Elena Dementieva does not constitute a "real test"? :scratch:

I agree... Im shocked she didnt pick Sharapova as the favorite.... as she always does... lol But more importantly just throwing Dementieva out of it totally. JJ's defense is good.. but I'd argue Venus is def faster on the court than she is. I for one wont be surprised if Dementieva knocks her out...

tennisIlove09
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:16 PM
Pretty fair actually . . .

Wannabeknowitall
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:18 PM
I didn't really read it because it's :bs:.

Serena and Venus could have won every tournament in the US Open Series, Tracy would find some way to still make Sharapova or Justine the "slight favorite".

Justine played on the slowest hard court in the US Open Series.
The surface takes the spin and enhances similar to a rebound ace court but faster.

That is not what she will be playing oh at the US Open.
If Justine had won New Haven like last year I can understand giving her the slight edge because New Haven's courts are lot closer to Flushing Meadows courts than Toronto.

Tracy Austin should just outright say it, I picked Justine because she the great white hope after Sharapova and I just don't feel right picking Serena or Venus because of their race.

faboozadoo15
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:20 PM
Serena and Venus could have won every tournament in the US Open Series, Tracy would find some way to still make Sharapova or Justine the "slight favorite".


You've really posted some stupid shit today. Maybe you should retire for today...

Matt01
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:24 PM
I didn't really read it because it's :bs:.

Serena and Venus could have won every tournament in the US Open Series, Tracy would find some way to still make Sharapova or Justine the "slight favorite".

Justine played on the slowest hard court in the US Open Series.
The surface takes the spin and enhances similar to a rebound ace court but faster.

That is not what she will be playing oh at the US Open.
If Justine had won New Haven like last year I can understand giving her the slight edge because New Haven's courts are lot closer to Flushing Meadows courts than Toronto.

Tracy Austin should just outright say it, I picked Justine because she the great white hope after Sharapova and I just don't feel right picking Serena or Venus because of their race.

Wow, even for your very low standard this is an extremely bad and ridiculous post :rolleyes:

Latently accusing people of racism because your faves weren't chosen as favorites for the US Open win really doesn't sit well with me.

Andrew Laeddis
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:24 PM
justine was the slight favorite at wimbledon too which im still confused about but too many the draw is wide open for the fact that the players in the top half will have to face some many good players to wins the title especially venus but i still put venus and sharapova above henin and serena below henin and jankovic and ivanovic after that.

Shepster
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:25 PM
Tracy Austin should just outright say it, I picked Justine because she the great white hope after Sharapova and I just don't feel right picking Serena or Venus because of their race.
You obviously didn't hear her jingoistic commentary for the BBC at Wimbledon this year. She was all over Venus and only gave Bartoli credit for beating Henin because "you have to give an assist to Serena". Little French girl can't beat little Belgian girl without American star's help. Little French girl has zero chance against big American girl because big American girl is Venus Williams. It was a love-in and frankly, an embarrassment.

Andrew Laeddis
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:27 PM
My god, did she even SEE Golovin play Sveta? Sveta cruised the first set then proceeded to completely throw away the match. The second set was the single worst set of tennis from 2 players playing atrociously at the same time I've seen in years. Truly awful match which shows nothing to Tati's form. Tati did play much better though against JJ, fair enough, but it's not as if she was ripping through opponents prior to that, her match against Vakulenko had touches of class but it was Julia's UE-fest that decided the contest.

Also, JJ doesn't have a test until Venus? So Elena Dementieva does not constitute a "real test"? :scratch:

no because she'll probably give away at least one service break per set which is enough for her to lose just like she did last year. considering elena has done nothing in the slams this year why consider her a test for the #3 in the world.

Tennisstar86
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:32 PM
no because she'll probably give away at least one service break per set which is enough for her to lose just like she did last year. considering elena has done nothing in the slams this year why consider her a test for the #3 in the world.

I know Dementieva cant serve... but JJ isnt much better.....

Shepster
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:33 PM
no because she'll probably give away at least one service break per set which is enough for her to lose just like she did last year. considering elena has done nothing in the slams this year why consider her a test for the #3 in the world.
Maybe them having a 2-2 record on hardcourts against each other has something to do with it? Or how about form on hardcourts this summer? JJ's form = 8-3. Elena's? 10-4. Last year JJ went one round further. Elena won't be a "real test"? Fantasy.

Wannabeknowitall
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:40 PM
You obviously didn't hear her jingoistic commentary for the BBC at Wimbledon this year. She was all over Venus and only gave Bartoli credit for beating Henin because "you have to give an assist to Serena". Little French girl can't beat little Belgian girl without American star's help. Little French girl has zero chance against big American girl because big American girl is Venus Williams. It was a love-in and frankly, an embarrassment.

I would agree with what she said but it's Tracy Austin and there's always something sly she's saying underneath.
Those were the same kind of comments that Tracy gave in 1999 at US Open.

"Those Williams sisters just took a lot out of Martina Hingis."

Basically when a comment is a made like that you're trying to take away the individual accomplishments of Venus and Serena by making them a team in an individual sport, women's singles.
It's an implication basically that if Martina only had to play Serena she would have won that slam, and we pretty much know that's not true.

It was a strategy applied by a few commentators at that time who were afraid of change.
Tracy Austin is the only one who still does it.

Knizzle
Aug 24th, 2007, 11:41 PM
Austin never makes a bold pick.

Thanx4nothin
Aug 25th, 2007, 12:20 AM
She's so useless she always says henin is the favourite but sharapova is in close pursuit.

Mudbone
Aug 25th, 2007, 12:21 AM
I get so sick of idiots picking Henin as the favorite to win every slam..The only slam she ever wins is Roland Garros...She had that one fluke year when both Venus and Serena were out injured...Other than that she is a clay court specialist....They claimed she had the edge in London until Bartoli gave her the edge of her foot in the butt...Justine Henin will not get thru her draw...No way no how...Its not red clay dirt tennis fans

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 12:24 AM
Can we get someone who knows what they are talking about to make a pick? Mary Jo for instance?..... I mean i wouldnt pick a favorite. instead do tears.

Justine, Venus, Serena the top tear
Then Sharapova, Jankovic, and Ivanovic

Then everyone else....Noones had an outstanding hardcourt season... so we just have the rest of the year to go on. Serena proved she can come out of nowhere to win... Venus just won Wimbledon playing steller unbeatable tennis. Justine is generally consistantly strong...

I really will like to see who mary jo picks... ugggh im def not lookin forward to Dick falling all over Sharapova though....

Junex
Aug 25th, 2007, 01:21 AM
I get so sick of idiots picking Henin as the favorite to win every slam..The only slam she ever wins is Roland Garros...She had that one fluke year when both Venus and Serena were out injured...Other than that she is a clay court specialist....They claimed she had the edge in London until Bartoli gave her the edge of her foot in the butt...Justine Henin will not get thru her draw...No way no how...Its not red clay dirt tennis fans

Whatever......:ignore:

Bijoux0021
Aug 25th, 2007, 01:26 AM
I get so sick of idiots picking Henin as the favorite to win every slam..The only slam she ever wins is Roland Garros...She had that one fluke year when both Venus and Serena were out injured...Other than that she is a clay court specialist....They claimed she had the edge in London until Bartoli gave her the edge of her foot in the butt...Justine Henin will not get thru her draw...No way no how...Its not red clay dirt tennis fans
:worship: :worship:

DA FOREHAND
Aug 25th, 2007, 01:39 AM
Whatever......:ignore:

you disputing mudbone's post? What'd he say that's not backed up?

faboozadoo15
Aug 25th, 2007, 01:47 AM
I get so sick of idiots picking Henin as the favorite to win every slam..The only slam she ever wins is Roland Garros...She had that one fluke year when both Venus and Serena were out injured...Other than that she is a clay court specialist....They claimed she had the edge in London until Bartoli gave her the edge of her foot in the butt...Justine Henin will not get thru her draw...No way no how...Its not red clay dirt tennis fans

:tape: The only two majors Serena has won since 2003 have come at the Australian Open, and in both years Justine was out.

So should we pick the #1 player in the world who just won a tier 1 on a hardcourt, has won the US Open more recently than anyone except Sharapova and Kuznetsova (opposite side), and has beaten her likely quarterfinal opponent in the last two major quarterfinals they contested? Or, if we're betting people, do we go with someone who hasn't made it past the quarterfinals of the US Open since 2002, or another player who has a terrible three set record and hasn't advanced past the quarters since 2002 and would have to beat the two hot Serbians just to GET to Henin?

Henin is the smart pick for so many reasons.

Morrissey
Aug 25th, 2007, 02:05 AM
Sharapova is definitely the favourite to win the US OPEN. She is far away from the Williams Sisters they are on the opposite side of the draw. The USTA sure gave Sharapova a free pass to the finals. And Sharapova has a good record against Henin on the hardcourts she whacked Henin easily last year in the final in straight sets. Henin of course can win the US OPEN because she's already won it in 2003 but she also was in the finals last year. I think everything is going to depend on the Serena Vs Henin quaterfinal match. Is Serena healthy? And will she be ready? I think Justine feels like she has to prove her 2003 US OPEN title wasn't a fluke. I think the pressure is ALL ON HER. Because yes Justine is the clay court queen she's won the French Open 4 times. However, I still believe on hard courts the power players if they are consistent can overpower her. Jankovic choked the US OPEN semifinal last year and was only 5 points from the women's final last year. Justine can play on hardcourts but Toronto and Flushing Meadows are two different surfaces.

frontier
Aug 25th, 2007, 02:24 AM
I guess she learned a lesson from her predictions early this year and is really choosing her words.
I watched the Justine jj match and Justine looked really vulnerable and this is against a player who doesnt have a big serve and each set she had to catch up.The Centrecourt at Flushing Meadows can be windy and we know Justine doesnt play well in the wind.Last year she was overwhelmed by pova's big serve and to come through from that half will take a lot out of her and she will lose again in the final assuming she makes it that far.
This draw is tailormade for pova but the fortunate part is she will lose to Nicole in the fourth rd.

cellophane
Aug 25th, 2007, 02:27 AM
Sharapova is definitely the favourite to win the US OPEN. She is far away from the Williams Sisters they are on the opposite side of the draw. The USTA sure gave Sharapova a free pass to the finals.

But which lesbian fixed Maria's draw? :confused:

a) Mary Carillo
b) Billie Jean King
c) Martina Navratilova

sammy01
Aug 25th, 2007, 02:30 AM
tracy "shoulder pads are still fashionable ya know" austin gives no more insight than we already new and shes sticking her neck out going for the top seed and world number 1!

Renalicious
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:01 AM
Good predictions from Tracy...although I really don't think Golovin will do that well in the US Open. She's in pretty bad form, at Wimbledon she played a tough three setter to Hsieh (A qualifier) in the first round (8-6) in the third set and then fell to Paszek (unseeded) in the second round match.

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:08 AM
Sharapova is definitely the favourite to win the US OPEN. She is far away from the Williams Sisters they are on the opposite side of the draw. The USTA sure gave Sharapova a free pass to the finals. And Sharapova has a good record against Henin on the hardcourts she whacked Henin easily last year in the final in straight sets. Henin of course can win the US OPEN because she's already won it in 2003 but she also was in the finals last year. I think everything is going to depend on the Serena Vs Henin quaterfinal match. Is Serena healthy? And will she be ready? I think Justine feels like she has to prove her 2003 US OPEN title wasn't a fluke. I think the pressure is ALL ON HER. Because yes Justine is the clay court queen she's won the French Open 4 times. However, I still believe on hard courts the power players if they are consistent can overpower her. Jankovic choked the US OPEN semifinal last year and was only 5 points from the women's final last year. Justine can play on hardcourts but Toronto and Flushing Meadows are two different surfaces.

Just because she has a cake walk draw doesnt make her the favorite... You can look at it two ways...

A) She'll be well rested for the final and the person she plays wont be.

B) She'll be unprepared as she didnt fight her way to the final.. that she gets blown away by someone who had a tough draw and whose level of play is well above hers.

Im picking B.

Forehand_Volley
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:13 AM
:tape: The only two majors Serena has won since 2003 have come at the Australian Open, and in both years Justine was out.

So should we pick the #1 player in the world who just won a tier 1 on a hardcourt, has won the US Open more recently than anyone except Sharapova and Kuznetsova (opposite side), and has beaten her likely quarterfinal opponent in the last two major quarterfinals they contested? Or, if we're betting people, do we go with someone who hasn't made it past the quarterfinals of the US Open since 2002, or another player who has a terrible three set record and hasn't advanced past the quarters since 2002 and would have to beat the two hot Serbians just to GET to Henin?

Henin is the smart pick for so many reasons.
Its nice to see calmer, more sensible heads prevail.

Forehand_Volley
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:19 AM
Can we get someone who knows what they are talking about to make a pick? Mary Jo for instance?...
I watched a lot of Wimbledon and the French Open this year. In both cases, Fernandez kept repeatedly stating that Serena Williams would defeat Justine Henin in both of their quarterfinal matches. She was wrong both times. She even got into a warmly heated verbal exchange with Cliff Drysdale at Wimbledon about it, not backing down on her prediction.

As intelligent and thought-provoking Fernandez appears is at times, she really doesn't have her thumb on the heartbeat of what's going on between the baselines. And that's just my opinion.

cellophane
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:27 AM
Tracy just picked Golovin because she saw her in the semis in Toronto. :shrug:

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:35 AM
I watched a lot of Wimbledon and the French Open this year. In both cases, Fernandez kept repeatedly stating that Serena Williams would defeat Justine Henin in both of their quarterfinal matches. She was wrong both times. She even got into a warmly heated verbal exchange with Cliff Drysdale at Wimbledon about it, not backing down on her prediction.

As intelligent and thought-provoking Fernandez appears is at times, she really doesn't have her thumb on the heartbeat of what's going on between the baselines. And that's just my opinion.

This is true... But thats due to the fact that she practically pee'd herself commentating at the AO (much like Sharapova) while she was watching the final.... Plus had Serena not been injured the night before she probably would have won tha match... not so much because of how "well" she could have played. But because of how poorly Justine was playing.....

Forehand_Volley
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:37 AM
The USTA sure gave Sharapova a free pass to the finals. And Sharapova has a good record against Henin on the hardcourts she whacked Henin easily last year in the final in straight sets.

2006 US Open Finals - Hardcourt Sharapova
2006 Dubai Tennis Championships - Hardcourt Henin
2006 Australian Open - Semifinal - Hardcourt Henin
2005 Nasdaq-100 Open - Quarterfinal - Hardcourt Sharapova

The luck of the draw has given Sharapova an opportunity to go deep in this tournament. The USTA had nothing to do with it, besides posting that luck on a piece of paper.

In The Zone
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:39 AM
I think this is just yet another prediction that Tracy is going to regret in 2 weeks. Remember her Serena prediction and how she put down Venus?

However, this prediction is very safe and not going against the odds. Let's face it, Maria is making the final but she will lose to the survivor of that dreaded top half. Justine, Venus or Serena will be the 2007 US Open Champion.

Forehand_Volley
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:45 AM
This is true... But thats due to the fact that she practically pee'd herself commentating at the AO (much like Sharapova) while she was watching the final.... Plus had Serena not been injured the night before she probably would have won tha match... not so much because of how "well" she could have played. But because of how poorly Justine was playing.....
I made a promise to myself a few years ago not to excuse my favorite for a loss because they are injured. Injuries are a common-place in professional sports. All the top players have injuries, play with them, play in spite of them, etc. etc.

Henin won the French Open quarterfinals because she came with her "A" game and her opponent did not. So much so that her opponent felt violated.

Henin won the Wimbledon quarterfinals because she wanted it more than her opponent did. After two opponents have just split sets, and third set begins, whoever wants it more will win.

Wannabeknowitall
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:47 AM
:tape: The only two majors Serena has won since 2003 have come at the Australian Open, and in both years Justine was out.

So should we pick the #1 player in the world who just won a tier 1 on a hardcourt, has won the US Open more recently than anyone except Sharapova and Kuznetsova (opposite side), and has beaten her likely quarterfinal opponent in the last two major quarterfinals they contested? Or, if we're betting people, do we go with someone who hasn't made it past the quarterfinals of the US Open since 2002, or another player who has a terrible three set record and hasn't advanced past the quarters since 2002 and would have to beat the two hot Serbians just to GET to Henin?

Henin is the smart pick for so many reasons.

I can roll it right back around if you like me to. :wavey:

Justine has never won a slam outside of the Roland Garros with Serena playing.
Justine has never beaten Serena on a hard court.

Do we go with the player who always seems to have some sort of issue on serving which has likely cost her a few slams?
OR
Do we go with the player whose serve always seems to be there regardless of how iffy her groundstrokes become?

Do we go with the player who still says she gets nervous at important stages in grand slams to the point that it makes her sick?
OR
Do we go with the player who could be sick and barely standing on the court who still finds a way to win just because of the belief that she can?

Havok
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:48 AM
Good predictions from Tracy...although I really don't think Golovin will do that well in the US Open. She's in pretty bad form, at Wimbledon she played a tough three setter to Hsieh (A qualifier) in the first round (8-6) in the third set and then fell to Paszek (unseeded) in the second round match.
It was her first tournament back after getting injured, in which she sat out for I believe a little over a month.

She drew Safina as her seed in the 3r. Winnable, and I can definitely see a Henin vs. Golovin 4r during the second week of the USO for sure.

Henin is the favorite to win the title. She won the Rogers Cup without a single hardcourt match played during the lead-in events, and beat Jankovic in a tough final. Serena hasn't played since her Wimbledon QF loss to Henin (Serena's best surface, Justine's worst). Though she can always storm in and win it, just like she did at the Aussie Open. However, I highly doubt she will have to beat the likes of Peer, Vaidisova, and a shitty no serve Sharapova in the finals this time. It seems Venus is only compitent on very fast surfaces, though her chances aren't as high as they are when she's playing on grass. With her complete joke of a draw, it'll be embarassing for Sharapova not to final at the USO.

Henin, Serena, Venus, Jankovic and Ivanovic are all massive threats because if either one of these ladies get hot, they'll win this Slam imo. Getting through one of the toughest halfs of a Slam I've seen in a damn long time will prepare them for whomever they have to face in the finals.

Forehand_Volley
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:57 AM
I can roll it right back around if you like me to. :wavey:

Justine has never won a slam outside of the Roland Garros with Serena playing.
Justine has never beaten Serena on a hard court.

Do we go with the player who always seems to have some sort of issue on serving which has likely cost her a few slams?
OR
Do we go with the player whose serve always seems to be there regardless of how iffy her groundstrokes become?

Do we go with the player who still says she gets nervous at important stages in grand slams to the point that it makes her sick?
OR
Do we go with the player who could be sick and barely standing on the court who still finds a way to win just because of the belief that she can?

I guess my question related to who should be favored, Henin vs S. Williams in a possible US Open quarterfinal matchup is:

Why would any tennis journalist, who viewed Henin defeating S. Williams in two consecutive grand slam event quarterfinals, not seeing S. Williams play since Wimbledon with a thumb injury, pick S. Williams over J. Henin in a possible US Open quarterfinal match?

If the tables were turned and it was Henin on the losing side of those matches, they wouldn't pick Henin over S. Williams in a possible US Open Quarterfinal match.

I don't think Tracy Austin made an illogical choice based on recent results and given S. Williams' questionable injury status.

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:07 AM
It seems Venus is only compitent on very fast surfaces, though her chances aren't as high as they are when she's playing on grass.



This makes me laugh everytime i see it. Venus' US Open credentials....


1997 - Finals
1998- Semi Finals
1999- Semi Finals
2000- Winner
2001- Winner
2002- Finals
2003 - DNP
2004- 4th Round (Lost to Davneport)
2005 - QuaterFinals (Lost to clijsters (Eventual winner)
2006 - DNP

Henin's US OPEN credentials.....

1999- 1rst round
2000- 4th round
2001 - 4th round
2002 - 4th round
2003- Winner
2004- 4th round
2005 4th Round
2006- Finalist

Serena US Open credentials.....
1998- 3rd Round
1999- Winner
2000- Quaterfinalist
2001- finalist
2002- Winner
2003- DNP
2004 Quaterfinalist
2005- 4th round
2006- 4th round...


Its clear who is the most consistent and knows how to play here....

mdterp01
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:09 AM
:yawn:

faboozadoo15
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:15 AM
Its clear who is the most consistent and knows how to play here....

But still-- neither Venus nor Serena have made it beyond the quarterfinals the last FOUR years. Justine has been in two finals, winning one.

You have to look at trends too, not just overall record.

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:21 AM
But still-- neither Venus nor Serena have made it beyond the quarterfinals the last FOUR years. Justine has been in two finals, winning one.

You have to look at trends too, not just overall record.

Venus has only played twice since then losing to the hottest player of the summer. In 2004 she lost to Davenport who SHOULD have added her 4th Grand Slam title (i still dont know what went wrong there poor lindsay) but she lost the draw fell apart and Kuznetsova walked away with it. In 2005 She lost to Clijsters (in 3 sets)the eventual winner.... The only other person she has lost to that didnt go on to win is Hingis (98')

If we're going on "trends" as you like to call them... Justine will barely make it into the 2nd week..... (4th round exit as she can only seem to find a game here once in a blue win (or more likely) when Venus williams isnt in the draw....:help:

Ntour
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:22 AM
This makes me laugh everytime i see it. Venus' US Open credentials....


1997 - Finals
1998- Semi Finals
1999- Semi Finals
2000- Winner
2001- Winner
2002- Finals
2003 - DNP
2004- 4th Round (Lost to Davneport)
2005 - QuaterFinals (Lost to clijsters (Eventual winner)
2006 - DNP

Henin's US OPEN credentials.....

1999- 1rst round
2000- 4th round
2001 - 4th round
2002 - 4th round
2003- Winner
2004- 4th round
2005 4th Round
2006- Finalist

Serena US Open credentials.....
1998- 3rd Round
1999- Winner
2000- Quaterfinalist
2001- finalist
2002- Winner
2003- DNP
2004 Quaterfinalist
2005- 4th round
2006- 4th round...


Its clear who is the most consistent and knows how to play here....

but you msut remeber justine was injured in both 04 and 05 and pre 03 she wasn't a good hardcourt player as she had practically no forehand or serve

Ntour
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:25 AM
I can roll it right back around if you like me to. :wavey:

Justine has never won a slam outside of the Roland Garros with Serena playing.
Justine has never beaten Serena on a hard court.

Do we go with the player who always seems to have some sort of issue on serving which has likely cost her a few slams?
OR
Do we go with the player whose serve always seems to be there regardless of how iffy her groundstrokes become?

Do we go with the player who still says she gets nervous at important stages in grand slams to the point that it makes her sick?
OR
Do we go with the player who could be sick and barely standing on the court who still finds a way to win just because of the belief that she can?

considering henin had match points in miami and handily beat serena in two slam qfs already this year,
plus henin just won a tournament on hard and serena is out injured and hasn't played since her loss to henin

the safe choice is clearly henin, serena is a bit of a long shot, she needs to gain top form in four matches and then be able to beat the number 1 player, meanwhile henin just needs to hope her shoulder heals up enough before the open and she should get the qfs with considerable ease

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:26 AM
but you msut remeber justine was injured in both 04 and 05 and pre 03 she wasn't a good hardcourt player as she had practically no forehand or serve

Yeah... Sure she was..... Im not arguing that Henin shouldnt be considered a favorite... I was just stating that as the poster said "Venus can't play on anything but grass" Yet she has the best record at the Open of anyone on tour...... regardless of if Henin was Sick or Serena was missing an Arm.... or Sharapova is just starting.. or was in the womb.. its all blah blah.

Fact is Venus has proven she can play on the US hard court yet she continues to have to prove it...

Ntour
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:27 AM
and if i remember correctly serena hadn't exactly played herself into form in her first 4 matches in the AO, she was lucky to get a weak qf opponent in perr, who she just scraped by, henin will be tougher.

Ntour
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:27 AM
Yeah... Sure she was..... Im not arguing that Henin shouldnt be considered a favorite... I was just stating that as the poster said "Venus can't play on anything but grass" Yet she has the best record at the Open of anyone on tour...... regardless of if Henin was Sick or Serena was missing an Arm.... or Sharapova is just starting.. or was in the womb.. its all blah blah.

Fact is Venus has proven she can play on the US hard court yet she continues to have to prove it...
venus is definitely more accomplished on hard as is serena, and if she plays like at wimbledon, she's my favourite for the title, i doubt justine can beat both sisters back to back she was spent after the qf at wimbledon

my only probelm is that venus hasn't done shit for the last 4 years outside of wimbledon, whereas justine has made the final there just last year

enyinnayaigbokwe
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:29 AM
Hey all. I am new. But I just want to say that if the sisters reach the semis together, one of them is definitely winning the title. Cheers all.

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:30 AM
but venus hasn't done shit for the last 4 years outside of wimbledon whereas justine has made the final there just last year

And Bartoli made the finals of Wimbledon just a month and a half ago... Is that to say next year shes considered a better grass courter than Henin? I could see if Venus had actually played the US Open all 4 of the previous years...

Yonexforever
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:33 AM
But which lesbian fixed Maria's draw? :confused:

a) Mary Carillo
b) Billie Jean King
c) Martina Navratilova

Too FunnY!!
I think i like you!
:wavey:
:wavey:

Ntour
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:34 AM
And Bartoli made the finals of Wimbledon just a month and a half ago... Is that to say next year shes considered a better grass courter than Henin? I could see if Venus had actually played the US Open all 4 of the previous years...

she did in 05 after winning a wimbledon title

Ntour
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:36 AM
And Bartoli made the finals of Wimbledon just a month and a half ago... Is that to say next year shes considered a better grass courter than Henin? I could see if Venus had actually played the US Open all 4 of the previous years...


and if bartoli had produced any other half decent result, then i would consider her a better grasscourter than justine but given that justine thrashed her 1 and 3 the week before wimbledon i don't really think she is

i'm not saying henin is better on hard than venus, venus is just too inconsistent, justine made all slam finals last year, hasn't lost before a sf this year, she is very consistent so you'd ecpect at least a sf here, venus on the other hand is extremely inconsistent, so you really don't know what to expect she could bomb out 4th round or she could storm to the title without losing a set, but she hasn't shown any form outside wimbledon for a lon long time, whereas justine outside fo has

austennis
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:38 AM
How can she say Ana needs to learn how to change her game when she is playing bad?? she has come back in the 3rd set in a number of big matches lately.. in the LA final and at wimby..

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:40 AM
and if bartoli had produced any other half decent result, then i would consider her a better grasscourter than justine but given that justine thrashed her 1 and 3 the week before wimbledon i don't really think she is

i'm not saying henin is better on hard than venus, she clearly isn't but in recent history she has been

Once again not really.... Venus hasnt played it...

In 2004... Venus lost in the 4th round so did Henin

In 2005....Henin lost in the 4th Round Venus lost in the Quaters...

Henin wasnt even losing to on fire good hard court players.... she was just losing......

Ntour
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:46 AM
Once again not really.... Venus hasnt played it...

In 2004... Venus lost in the 4th round so did Henin

In 2005....Henin lost in the 4th Round Venus lost in the Quaters...

Henin wasnt even losing to on fire good hard court players.... she was just losing......

xactly but when did venus last reach a final?

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:53 AM
xactly but when did venus last reach a final?

lol... It isnt an issue of when she last reached a final.... lol Venus has never lost to anyone seeded outside the top 4 at the US Open ( a great accomplishment.... Even in her worst seasons ever)... This is who HEnin lost tooo...

"at US Open, upset in 4r by No.14 Petrova, first time in 22 years that top seed has lost before SF," 2004

"at US Open, l. in 4r to Pierce" 2005

Ntour
Aug 25th, 2007, 05:57 AM
lol... It isnt an issue of when she last reached a final.... lol Venus has never lost to anyone seeded outside the top 4 at the US Open ( a great accomplishment.... Even in her worst seasons ever)... This is who HEnin lost tooo...

"at US Open, upset in 4r by No.14 Petrova, first time in 22 years that top seed has lost before SF," 2004

"at US Open, l. in 4r to Pierce" 2005

its true her losses have been bad, too bad venus has drawn the 3rd seed in teh qf and the #1 seed in the semis, well at least her record won't be ruined it'll still be top 4 seed she loses to

faboozadoo15
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:00 AM
The Petrova loss, kinda bad. The Mary loss, totally acceptable. Mary was on fire!

Ntour
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:00 AM
this thread is really about who should be favourite

and really we have world number 1, fresh of tier 1 hc title, won in 03 and finalsit 06, 6 titles this year (GS,I,II,II,II,II)

number 12? san diego sf? won 00,01 final 02 hasn't passed qf since, 2 titles this year (GS,III)

Ntour
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:02 AM
really we don;t need another of these venus v henin debates

venus if she plays like wimbledon will probably win, if she doesn't play like that i'd pick henin

i have my opinion you have yours lets just agree to disagree

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:06 AM
really we don;t need another of these venus v henin debates

venus if she plays like wimbledon will probably win, if she doesn't play like that i'd pick henin

i have my opinion you have yours lets just agree to disagree

lol there is no point to debate whose got the better US OPEN record.....its clear.... And yes If Venus plays like she did at wimbledon or even 75% of what she did at Wimbledon she'll win.....

However, if she doesn't that doesnt gurantee Henin will win. Shes got other problems to worry about, like choking... which is what she did at Wimbledon. If Venus doesnt paly to her potential and Henin chokes.... Serena is the fav to go all the way IMO...

faboozadoo15
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:17 AM
lol there is no point to debate whose got the better US OPEN record.....its clear.... And yes If Venus plays like she did at wimbledon or even 75% of what she did at Wimbledon she'll win.....

Uh-oh, Ntour, you've got a Williams fan on your hands trying to deal in math/percentages/pie charts :tape: Can you handle this?

Also, there's a difference between "whose" and "who's".

What happens if Venus plays at a mere 65%? :scared:
What if babygurl at 70%? :spit:

mboyle
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:23 AM
I

Tracy Austin should just outright say it, I picked Justine because she the great white hope after Sharapova and I just don't feel right picking Serena or Venus because of their race.

Or maybe she picked Justine because she beat Serena the last two times they played and had matchpoints the time before that, and Justine won a tournament this summer while Serena hasn't played and Venus lost in the quarter-finals of the only tournament she played.

Oh and just for the record, Venus hasn't gotten past the quarter-finals of any grand slam other than Wimbledon since 2003.

That said, Justine is a paper favorite with little real chance at the title. She always finds a way to under-perform in New York. I'm going with Ivanovic.

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:28 AM
Uh-oh, Ntour, you've got a Williams fan on your hands trying to deal in math/percentages/pie charts :tape: Can you handle this?

Also, there's a difference between "whose" and "who's".

What happens if Venus plays at a mere 65%? :scared:
What if babygurl at 70%? :spit:

Are you stalking me? you really like to reply to me... I was merely stating that Venus doesnt have to play at the level she played at Wimbledon to win the title....She could actually play a bit worse and still win.....

And please learn the difference between Venus and Serena. They are not one entity and just because someone is a fan on one doesnt meant hey are a fan of Both. That being said. once again this is a message board. Who really cares about grammer? I have high school and college degree's. do you?

Forehand_Volley
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:33 AM
Fact is Venus has proven she can play on the US hard court yet she continues to have to prove it...
I agree with you Tennisstar. Its amazing what V. Williams and J. Henin have accomplished on hardcourt throughout their career.

Both women have went lengthy periods without hardcourt wins. V. Williams began strong on hardcourts in 1998, then faded in 2002. J. Henin began weak on hardcourts in 1999, then became stronger in 2003. Both women have won the majority of their tournaments on hardcourts.


V. Williams:

February 1998 (1st hardcourt win) to August 2002, Venus won 20 hardcourt tournaments

V. Williams Hardcourt GS singles: 2
V. Williams Hardcourt tournament wins: 21
V. Williams Total tournament wins: 35
% Hardcourt wins: 60%

September 2002 to August 2007, Venus won 1 hardcourt tournament (53 consecutive months without winning a hardcourt tournament)


J. Henin:

January 2001 (1st hardcourt win)
February 2001 to February 2003 (2nd hardcourt win), (23 consecutive months without hardcourt wins)

J. Henin Hardcourt GS singles: 2
J. Henin Hardcourt tournament wins: 19
J. Henin Total tournament wins: 35
% Hardcourt wins: 54%

February 2003 to August 2007, J. Henin won 18 hardcourt tournaments

Both V. Williams and J. Henin post impressive hardcourt results throughout their careers. V. Williams has won four of her majors on grass, two on hardcourt. J. Henin has won four of her majors on clay, two on hardcourt.

faboozadoo15
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:34 AM
Who really cares about grammer? I have high school and college degree's. do you?
:tape:
:haha: CLASSIC. :lol:
:spit:

Undergraduate: Biochemistry at Stanford.
Professional: M.D. from Columbia.

Forehand_Volley
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:38 AM
Who really cares about grammer? I have high school and college degree's. do you?
I'm sure there are high school students participating here that have better grammar than you and I.

Tennisstar86
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:50 AM
I'm sure there are high school students participating here that have better grammar than you and I.

Thats my point..... obviously grammer isnt holding me back too much....

But on the point of their Hard courts records. Clearly the problem with Venus' game is her absense in the hard court season... since 2002 Venus has only played 2 hard court seasons.....Even when Venus dominated 2000-2001 she didnt dominate he first half of the year... the only time she did that was in 2002.

Everyones one Venus' back about her decline from the game and can only win on grass.... but shes missed her best seasons twice.....

faboozadoo15
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:55 AM
Thats my point..... obviously grammer isnt holding me back too much....

Please. For the love of God. It's "grammar." Make a mental note before you further embarass yourself.

Meghanns Journey
Aug 25th, 2007, 09:48 AM
For a change I actually agree with Tracy. Lol

SvetaPleaseWin.
Aug 25th, 2007, 03:10 PM
once again despite sveta being 1 of only 2 who can get through the bottom half shes just given half a mention. shes playing great at the moment and is 3-3 on head to heads with sharapova so obviously she has no chance :rolleyes:

and as much as i like vaida-shes been ill for a long time and has struggled with injuries previously in the year stopping her from building up any real momentum-this will not be her first slam win!

henins win in toronto wasnt that impressive, she played average and only won the final in straights cos janko doesnt believe she can beat henin, as she has openly stated. jankovic and ivanovic wont be winning this slam-i cant really see jelena winning one and i think its too soon for ana, shes still very inconsistent and has a tough draw.

in my mind-there are 4 players who can win:
sveta-shes playing well, if she doesnt have a mental lapse then she can win it again;
serena-if her thumb has healed, she has the draw to play herself into form;
venus-forget the match against chakvetadze i expect the real venus williams to show;
henin-shes not playing great but a really easy start to her draw should see her through to the 1/4s, from there it depends if serena is fit

AcesHigh
Aug 25th, 2007, 03:21 PM
once again despite sveta being 1 of only 2 who can get through the bottom half shes just given half a mention. shes playing great at the moment and is 3-3 on head to heads with sharapova so obviously she has no chance :rolleyes:

and as much as i like vaida-shes been ill for a long time and has struggled with injuries previously in the year stopping her from building up any real momentum-this will not be her first slam win!

henins win in toronto wasnt that impressive, she played average and only won the final in straights cos janko doesnt believe she can beat henin, as she has openly stated. jankovic and ivanovic wont be winning this slam-i cant really see jelena winning one and i think its too soon for ana, shes still very inconsistent and has a tough draw.

in my mind-there are 4 players who can win:
sveta-shes playing well, if she doesnt have a mental lapse then she can win it again;
serena-if her thumb has healed, she has the draw to play herself into form;
venus-forget the match against chakvetadze i expect the real venus williams to show;
henin-shes not playing great but a really easy start to her draw should see her through to the 1/4s, from there it depends if serena is fit

I think everyone knows Sveta has the ability. She just hasn't been able to hold it together mentally. I'd love for her to win... I'd even be fine if she won it over Venus, Serena, Ivanovic or Jankovic... but it just seems so unlikely at this point. She still hasn't won a title this year :tape:

Hopefully that changes today ;) Anyway, i wish her the best of luck :bounce:

Matt01
Aug 25th, 2007, 04:03 PM
jankovic and ivanovic wont be winning this slam-i cant really see jelena winning one and i think its too soon for ana, shes still very inconsistent and has a tough draw.

in my mind-there are 4 players who can win:
sveta-shes playing well, if she doesnt have a mental lapse then she can win it again;
serena-if her thumb has healed, she has the draw to play herself into form;
venus-forget the match against chakvetadze i expect the real venus williams to show;
henin-shes not playing great but a really easy start to her draw should see her through to the 1/4s, from there it depends if serena is fit


Given Kuzzy's err...favorable draw, I can see where your opinion is coming from. But generally I definately think that Janko and Ana have a better chance to win a GS at the moment, because they have actually won some big tournaments this year. Kuzzy still has to win a tournamnet this year and her form IMO is really not that great at the moment...remember her mediocre match against Golovin in Toronto? And her win against Dementieva yesterday was hardly a masterstroke, either...

terjw
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:30 PM
This makes me laugh everytime i see it. Venus' US Open credentials....


1997 - Finals
1998- Semi Finals
1999- Semi Finals
2000- Winner
2001- Winner
2002- Finals
2003 - DNP
2004- 4th Round (Lost to Davneport)
2005 - QuaterFinals (Lost to clijsters (Eventual winner)
2006 - DNP

Henin's US OPEN credentials.....

1999- 1rst round
2000- 4th round
2001 - 4th round
2002 - 4th round
2003- Winner
2004- 4th round
2005 4th Round
2006- Finalist

Serena US Open credentials.....
1998- 3rd Round
1999- Winner
2000- Quaterfinalist
2001- finalist
2002- Winner
2003- DNP
2004 Quaterfinalist
2005- 4th round
2006- 4th round...


Its clear who is the most consistent and knows how to play here....

LOL - Interestng. It's certainly very clear. On form at the USO over the last 4 years we should conclude that what will happen is:

Serena:
Gets beaten in 4th round - by Marion :eek::help: (2 out of 3).
Or:
Gets beaten in the quarters - by Justine (1 out of 3).

Venus:
Gets beaten in 4th round - by Ana (1 out of 2).
Or:
Gets beaten in the quarters - by Jelena (1 out of 2).

Justine:
Gets beaten in 4th round - by Dinara or Tati :eek::help: (2 out of 4).
Or:
Makes it to finals and either goes on to win or is runner up (2 out of 4).

So the relatively recent records of Serena and Justine suggest that there's a (1/2)*(2/3) = a 1 in 3 chance that neither player will make it to the quarters for their "expected" semis encounter. And only a 1 in 6 chance that they'll both make it.

I just prefer Tracy's assessment and way of looking at it. Justine is favourite - just. But it's wide open. And Venus, Serena, Masha are certainly in the mix when discussing who will win it. I think it will be one of these four. I don't discount Ana or Jelena - but I don't think either of those two will do it this time.

cellophane
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:33 PM
once again despite sveta being 1 of only 2 who can get through the bottom half shes just given half a mention. shes playing great at the moment and is 3-3 on head to heads with sharapova so obviously she has no chance :rolleyes:

Sveta is really not playing well at the moment.

Dexter
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:36 PM
once again despite sveta being 1 of only 2 who can get through the bottom half shes just given half a mention. shes playing great at the moment and is 3-3 on head to heads with sharapova so obviously she has no chance :rolleyes:I'm sorry, but I don't know where she played great. Certainly not in Toronto and neither in NH... at least she didn't impresse me at these 2 tournaments.

Olórin
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:43 PM
Sveta is really not playing well at the moment.

Sveta has had an average year to say the least. She's not a serious threat, a contender maybe, not lightly dismissed. But imo she's not one to watch out for.

Hashim.
Aug 25th, 2007, 06:44 PM
i find them pretty fair :)

vwfan
Aug 25th, 2007, 08:09 PM
But still-- neither Venus nor Serena have made it beyond the quarterfinals the last FOUR years. Justine has been in two finals, winning one.

You have to look at trends too, not just overall record.Then, based on trends, we can expect Henin to have a 4th round exit, since she has consistently exited the 4th round. :help:

In 2003, when she went further, neither Venus nor Serena played and in 2006, Venus did not play. Without those two in the draw, she was more competitive and got past the fourth round.

vwfan
Aug 25th, 2007, 08:18 PM
:tape:
:haha: CLASSIC. :lol:
:spit:

Undergraduate: Biochemistry at Stanford.
Professional: M.D. from Columbia.wow. who would have thunk it?

guess, we'll never know for sure, though. :lol: