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selesrules
Jul 7th, 2002, 07:45 PM
Why do YOU have the RIGHT to say that Seles won't win a grandslam anymore and then you tell me that I don't have the right to say that Venus won't win a grandslam anymore? It's your opinion and I have my opinion. Also a lot of Venus fans laugh at Seles evey chance you get and a lot of you started at least 10 threads about Monica retiring after she lost. Do not complain because you always do the same to everyone else. Now that Venus will go slamless at age 22, you are going to learn that what goes around comes around. If you have the right to say that Seles won't win a grandslam then I have the right to say that Venus won't win a grandslam. Just because now YOU VENUS FANS are in a difficult time you are all of a sudden acting so humble while just a few months ago "Venus was the QUEEN and Monica was the past". It looks like Venus isn't the queen anymore, she's struggling too. Stop complaining.

saki
Jul 7th, 2002, 07:51 PM
Well, I'm not a Seles fan or a Venus fan. I don't object to people saying that either Seles or Venus won't win another slam. I find it objectionable when people don't give any reason for why they think this. And I also think it's inaccurate to say that either Seles or Venus are "struggling". Venus is the reigning U.S. Open champion, RU in both RG and Wimbledon - how is that a poor record?! Seles is still a top 10 player, still capable of pulling off big wins (e.g. Venus in Australia), and still reaching the QFs on her worst surface. I'm not complaining, I'm disagreeing.

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 7th, 2002, 07:51 PM
Your passion and determination is remarkable young man. Keep it up.

Infiniti2001
Jul 7th, 2002, 07:56 PM
Geez Selesrule !!! EVERYONE knows you love your Monica--- no need to rub it in all the time... I am sure your mom or dad have some stuff to be taken care of around the house this summer... Go mow the lawn or do something else PLEASE :P

nikita771
Jul 7th, 2002, 08:01 PM
I understand what you mean, Selesrules. It's definitely not pleasant to have your fav being the subject of such negativity. I am a huge Venus and Serena fan, but I definitely respect and like Monica Seles. I try not to be too negative about any other player - especially performance wise. There will be a time when all of our favorites will go through some losses and we should remember how it feels to see them being kicked when they are down. So - I understand the meaning of your thread and am not offended that you would use Venus as an example.

Infiniti2001
Jul 7th, 2002, 08:04 PM
she's struggling too.

P.S. If struggling is getting to the finals of 7 out of 10 tournaments played this year , and winning 4-- then Venus Williams needs to retire :P

Playa
Jul 7th, 2002, 08:05 PM
That's the 10th thread that this Selesrules have started today
Still you can't figure out that she's a troublemaker !!!
any Williams fan that Will respond again to that Poster Will be ex-communicate

thanks.

Julie
Jul 7th, 2002, 08:19 PM
Neither are struggling - Monica is about to break into the top 3 and Venus is no 2 - to me this doesnt spell struggling in any sense of the word.

You cant just lump all williams fans into the same boat selesrules becasue its unfair and not true - yes there are a select few posters on this board (and theyre fans of any player) who feel the need to start derogatory threads about [insert players name] or their fans, but ...

... If you do the same just because you feel its your right then what makes you any different from them????

How can the board get better and lose some of the hatred if people want to carry on spreading it??

moon
Jul 7th, 2002, 08:26 PM
For your information selesrules, many of the Williams fans, love and RESPECT Monica, me included. From day one you have been trying to whip everyone into a frenzy over some fake Venus vs. Monica rivalry. Why don't you save yourself some negative energy and stop starting trouble where there is none.

selesrules
Jul 7th, 2002, 08:34 PM
Look, do not take it personal. Take my post as a LESSON to everyone out there on this board who feels the need to put down players (like for example towards Monica, retirement, she's the past, etc.), and the lesson is that EVERYONE will go through this. I don't mean to criticize every Venus fan out there because a lot of them are nice, but for those who thought that they were invincible and who kept putting down Monica fans everytime one of them said that Monica can win a slam, it's a lesson that what goes around comes around.

I'm sure if I say Monica can win the US Open, a lot of people here will make fun of me. In my experience, it's been a couple of Venus fans. Call it revenge, call it whatever you want, I call it a LESSON. Do not put down other players because your favourite player will eventually stop winning and start struggling. If you do continue putting down other players then don't expect others to not do the same.

Jovon
Jul 7th, 2002, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by selesrules
Also a lot of Venus fans laugh at Seles evey chance you get and a lot of you started at least 10 threads about Monica retiring after she lost.

When did this happen:confused: I guess I missed those threads. Moon stated what I wanted to say.

irma
Jul 7th, 2002, 08:48 PM
I think R.DIS is the one who makes fun of Monica all the time and he is no Venus and Serena fan but ryles from cnn(well I heard that)
remember him?;)

Ms. Lively
Jul 7th, 2002, 08:53 PM
I agree, Selesrules. During Roland Garros, I made several posts cheering for Monica to win. Then, Freethinker and other Williams fans flamed me and called me obscene names for no reason.

Renee
Jul 7th, 2002, 08:54 PM
If I remember correctly, the thread about Monica retiring was not started by a Williams supporter. I am pretty sure about this but I don't have the time to look this up. I am really starting to think that this poster is not a Seles supporter.:rolleyes:

Monica_Rules
Jul 7th, 2002, 09:17 PM
I think theres a few people on this board that are trying to create fan fights.

Whats the point?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but i will only attack people and their opinion when its a farce for some reason.

Kisha
Jul 7th, 2002, 11:40 PM
what Julie said:)

and also at the end of the day, who cares what other people think of your fave? All that matters is how you feel about them, but i think you do need to realise is that not everyone is gonna be nice about your fave all the time. For example All the williams fans have to put up with hurtful comments, just like Capriati fans do, Kournikova fans do etc...

we cant all like everyone, it sucks but thats just how things are:)

spiceboy
Jul 8th, 2002, 02:12 AM
selesrules has the right to start as many threads as she wants and to express her opinion with respect as anyone.

And that's why you call her a troublemaker, playa?
You should look at yourself and your "dictator ways" of ex-communicate any Williams fan who posts in here...

Listen, anyone can do and say anything he/she wishes with respect as there's freedom of speech. Am I wrong?

Volcana
Jul 8th, 2002, 02:33 AM
spiceboy - 'Freedom of Speech' means anyone can say whatever they want about what YOU write. They can condemn yousix ways to Sunday, and its covered by 'Freedom of Speech'. 'Freedom of Speech' protects the people attacking you, not just you. selesrules has every right to write whatever s/he wants, and the rest of the world has the right to respond anyway they like.

harloo
Jul 8th, 2002, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by spiceboy
selesrules has the right to start as many threads as she wants and to express her opinion with respect as anyone.

And that's why you call her a troublemaker, playa?
You should look at yourself and your "dictator ways" of ex-communicate any Williams fan who posts in here...

Listen, anyone can do and say anything he/she wishes with respect as there's freedom of speech. Am I wrong?

Yes spiceboy, I know it's hard to believe but selesrules, and selesadmirer(if not one in the same is a troublemaker. This happens all the time, with him/her creating a thread about the William sisters or fans vs. Monica. I mean it's all the time, same tired topic. It's alright to have an opinion but most of the time it's petty stuff like "MONICA WILL KNOCK VENUS OUT OF ORBIT. Stuff like that, which causes arguments among both fan bases which rarely collide. It's a sad reality, and the truth hurts but these 2 (if not one in the same)posters are troublemakers.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 8th, 2002, 02:53 AM
selesrules and selesadmirer are clearly different posters in my eyes.

But we're all entitled to an opinion ;)

While we're talking about one in the same:

Selesrules, I'm pretty sure that half the people who bitch at you in your threads are on in the same ;) So I wouldn't lose sleep over what a few people think :o

harloo
Jul 8th, 2002, 03:00 AM
Rebecca, are you Becca because I'm sensing that this is your usual rhethoric. Sorry, Becca but these 2 posters are always coming up with the same topics centered around Williams and their fans vs. Monica. Maybe it's a coincidence, but IMO it's suspect. LMAO!!!

See yah BECCA, Oops I mean Rebecca. Sorry, wouldn't want to offend ya.lol

Playa
Jul 8th, 2002, 03:06 AM
again, Becca is breaking her neck to defend the undefendble...
sometimes girl ,i wonder how you must must be in bed.
agressive?

Crazy Canuck
Jul 8th, 2002, 03:06 AM
harloo- I never questioned your identity did I? There are *certain* persons whose identities that I questions - but people like yourself who have an individual opinion of some sort and don't always bah like sheep to the same people, I dont think about.

Selesadmirer seems to post more threads about how Monica is "all that and a bad of chips " ;), while Selesfan doesn't do that as much.

But we are all entitled to our opinion on the matter, I never said you were wrong :p

As for the Rebecca-Becca stuff : are you kidding me? I posted a thread when I changed it.

Rather lame insult if you ask me :confused:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 8th, 2002, 03:22 AM
Playa - I'm not sure how I am in bed, but thankyou for wondering.

When I have sex, I will be sure to notify you.

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 8th, 2002, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
harloo- I never questioned your identity did I? There are *certain* persons whose identities that I questions - but people like yourself who have an individual opinion of some sort and don't always bah like sheep to the same people, I dont think about.

Selesadmirer seems to post more threads about how Monica is "all that and a bad of chips " ;), while Selesfan doesn't do that as much.

But we are all entitled to our opinion on the matter, I never said you were wrong :p

As for the Rebecca-Becca stuff : are you kidding me? I posted a thread when I changed it.

Rather lame insult if you ask me :confused:

Girl, you are everywhere. Always defending someone who is clearly wrong. Dont you have anything better to do?:rolleyes:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 8th, 2002, 03:23 AM
Free- you are insulting she who has nothing better to do than defend he who is wrong, so what does that say about you? :confused:
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