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goldlion
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:17 AM
There is no doubt that Maria's been having a depression these months, especially as she commented March was a horrible month for her. Although it seemed that she did well in the Roland Garros, reaching the semi-final however losing to Ivanovic with an humiliating result (just like the one in Australian Open), it clearly wasn't her best. I can hardly see her consistentsy this year. Once again she lost to Venus with a quite embarassing result 1-6,3-6. I doubt it should be a performance by a world no.2? It should have been closer. Although I'm a great fan of her, I don't wanna take the shoulder injury as an excuse to explain her defeat, even it might be true to a certain extent. I somehow think that she should change her coach right now. Of course, her father can still stay with her, but hopefully not being the coach? Michael should be changed as well. He's not a great ATP player indeed. A brand new chemistry must be created. Of course, an enormous investment of time should be made. I know she's very keen on defending her World No. 2 status, but clearly it shows that she's not really for doing so. Take Roddick, he's spent a year changing his techniques. I think Maria should do the same as well. Don't care about the rank at the moment, it doesn't matter whether being able to join the YEC or not. She should find the best for her.

heytennis
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:43 AM
She's fine. If she has terrible results all year, then I will worry. At this time last year she only had one title and it turned out to be her best year yet.

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:45 AM
Not crucial for Maria..... but basically everyone put her at the top way too soon. Venus/ Serena/ justine arent ready to move aside yet....

goldlion
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:47 AM
But last year this time, she was healthy. She had great performance in the first half of last year - Australian + Wimbledon semis, Dubai and Miami Finals + Indian Wells champion. But this year? I can only count her stunning two Grand Slams.

Donny
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:54 AM
I don't see this as a bad year for her. She's losing to players better than her. Unfortunately for her, that list is growing by the week.

mankind
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:27 AM
She's one-dimensional, and now that the novelty of her presence and power on court has worn off, she's stagnating. Didn't anyone else see this coming? Yeah it's a crucial time - a crucial time for her to hire a real coach or to actually learn how to add more variety to her lacking game.

ghost world
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:46 AM
She's one-dimensional, and now that the novelty of her presence and power on court has worn off, she's stagnating. Didn't anyone else see this coming? Yeah it's a crucial time - a crucial time for her to hire a real coach or to actually learn how to add more variety to her lacking game.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9518/britneyflameup6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

I hope you have your flame suit ready because I have a feeling its about to get ugly in here.


That said, I do think this is a crucial moment in her career. I hope she recovers.

friendsita
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:00 AM
I think Maria needs defff a new coach and someone who really supports her no matter what, I think her dad doesn't do that.

Foxy
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:03 AM
Hey mankind,

You hit the nail right on the head. There is nothing wrong with Maria. She was always overrated and they did that when the sisters and the Belgiums where injured. The Russians faded, now it's the Serbs.

Maria had an easy route at the FO and she had an easy route at Wimbeldon. She just faced a ready Venus who had gotten her serve clicking, and she whipped her butt ole fashion style.

Like Patrick MacEnroe said, she took Maria to the shed. Meaning she took her to the shed and whipped her azz.

The only thing that is hurt on Maria is her pride. She loves being in the lime light and getting all of the acolades from the commentators. Venus just made her look like the tier II player that she really is.

Maria was manhandling all of her opponents and hitting winners everywhere on the courts. Venus just beat Maria with the power game and big serve that Venus ushered in to the womens game in 2000 and beyond.

Maria has always been overrated. This is the second time that Venus came into Wimbledon off of injury and lack of match play and whip Maria's azz like she stole something.

She's just a ball bashing screaming player with no finese and net game. It's just not Venus and SErena who's gonna beat her.

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:23 AM
There is no doubt that Maria's been having a depression these months, especially as she commented March was a horrible month for her. Although it seemed that she did well in the Roland Garros, reaching the semi-final however losing to Ivanovic with an humiliating result (just like the one in Australian Open), it clearly wasn't her best. I can hardly see her consistentsy this year. Once again she lost to Venus with a quite embarassing result 1-6,3-6. I doubt it should be a performance by a world no.2? It should have been closer. Although I'm a great fan of her, I don't wanna take the shoulder injury as an excuse to explain her defeat, even it might be true to a certain extent. I somehow think that she should change her coach right now. Of course, her father can still stay with her, but hopefully not being the coach? Michael should be changed as well. He's not a great ATP player indeed. A brand new chemistry must be created. Of course, an enormous investment of time should be made. I know she's very keen on defending her World No. 2 status, but clearly it shows that she's not really for doing so. Take Roddick, he's spent a year changing his techniques. I think Maria should do the same as well. Don't care about the rank at the moment, it doesn't matter whether being able to join the YEC or not. She should find the best for her.

Depression?
Tennis is not that serious for any of these players once they leave the practice courts.
As Justine said before this tournament, winning Wimbledon will not make her a better person.

I'm sure the same can be said for Maria and winning any tournament.

Sharapova hasn't lost before the round of 16 for three years. That's consistency for you.
She's ranked number two in the world for a reason.

Again there's no reason to question a player if they're holding one of the four slams in their possession.

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:29 AM
Hey mankind,

You hit the nail right on the head. There is nothing wrong with Maria. She was always overrated and they did that when the sisters and the Belgiums where injured. The Russians faded, now it's the Serbs.

Maria had an easy route at the FO and she had an easy route at Wimbeldon. She just faced a ready Venus who had gotten her serve clicking, and she whipped her butt ole fashion style.

Like Patrick MacEnroe said, she took Maria to the shed. Meaning she took her to the shed and whipped her azz.

The only thing that is hurt on Maria is her pride. She loves being in the lime light and getting all of the acolades from the commentators. Venus just made her look like the tier II player that she really is.

Maria was manhandling all of her opponents and hitting winners everywhere on the courts. Venus just beat Maria with the power game and big serve that Venus ushered in to the womens game in 2000 and beyond.

Maria has always been overrated. This is the second time that Venus came into Wimbledon off of injury and lack of match play and whip Maria's azz like she stole something.

She's just a ball bashing screaming player with no finese and net game. It's just not Venus and SErena who's gonna beat her.

For one thing, the Russians haven't faded, other Russians just have taken their place in the top 10. :lol:
Maria still holds in her possession one of the slams.

You don't win two slams and an YEC as an overrated player, obviously you're missing that point.
Maybe one slam but two puts you in big girl territory.

Donny
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:36 AM
For one thing, the Russians haven't faded, other Russians just have taken their place in the top 10. :lol:
Maria still holds in her possession one of the slams.

You don't win two slams and an YEC as an overrated player, obviously you're missing that point.
Maybe one slam but two puts you in big girl territory.

All titles are not created equal. Point of fact being Maria's YEC title.

Zhao
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:43 AM
its indeed quite embarassing for a world #2 to be without a title YTD despite having played in 2 Tier III :lol:

GrandSlam05
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:43 AM
She's one-dimensional, and now that the novelty of her presence and power on court has worn off, she's stagnating. Didn't anyone else see this coming? Yeah it's a crucial time - a crucial time for her to hire a real coach or to actually learn how to add more variety to her lacking game.
ITA and that's why it always pissed me off when Lindsay couldn't get the job done against Maria. :(

Ben.
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:53 AM
She's one-dimensional, and now that the novelty of her presence and power on court has worn off, she's stagnating. Didn't anyone else see this coming? Yeah it's a crucial time - a crucial time for her to hire a real coach or to actually learn how to add more variety to her lacking game.

yeah i agree with you there. as soon as maria & venus won their way to face each other i knew that maria's one-dimensional game would play into venus' hands & how right i was.

hope maria realises this if she wants to win more slam titles.

heytennis
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:58 AM
All titles are not created equal. Point of fact being Maria's YEC title.

Whats your problem with the YEC?

Volcana
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:03 AM
You don't win two slams and an YEC as an overrated player, obviously you're missing that point.
Being overrated has NOTHING to do with your actual accompishments. If we all were saying Venus is the best player in the history of tennis, she'd be over-rated. But she'd still have six GS singles titles.

Sharapova IS 'over-rated'. But all that means is that many people treated her like she was ALREADY the dominant player in the game,

Volcana
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:03 AM
You don't win two slams and an YEC as an overrated player, obviously you're missing that point.
Being overrated has NOTHING to do with your actual accompishments. If we all were saying Venus is the best player in the history of tennis, she'd be over-rated. But she'd still have six GS singles titles.

Sharapova IS 'over-rated'. But all that means is that many people treated her like she was ALREADY the dominant player in the game, which

Volcana
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:03 AM
You don't win two slams and an YEC as an overrated player, obviously you're missing that point.
Being overrated has NOTHING to do with your actual accompishments. If we all were saying Venus is the best player in the history of tennis, she'd be over-rated. But she'd still have six GS singles titles.

Sharapova IS 'over-rated'. But all that means is that many people treated her like she was ALREADY the dominant player in the game, which she

Volcana
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:03 AM
You don't win two slams and an YEC as an overrated player, obviously you're missing that point.
Being overrated has NOTHING to do with your actual accompishments. If we all were saying Venus is the best player in the history of tennis, she'd be over-rated. But she'd still have six GS singles titles.

Sharapova IS 'over-rated'. But all that means is that many people treated her like she was ALREADY the dominant player in the game, which she isn't.

Volcana
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:03 AM
You don't win two slams and an YEC as an overrated player, obviously you're missing that point.
Being overrated has NOTHING to do with your actual accompishments. If we all were saying Venus is the best player in the history of tennis, she'd be over-rated. But she'd still have six GS singles titles.

Sharapova IS 'over-rated'. But all that means is that many people treated her like she was ALREADY the dominant player in the game, which she isn't.

Volcana
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:03 AM
You don't win two slams and an YEC as an overrated player, obviously you're missing that point.
Being overrated has NOTHING to do with your actual accompishments. If we all were saying Venus is the best player in the history of tennis, she'd be over-rated. But she'd still have six GS singles titles.

Sharapova IS 'over-rated'. But all that means is that many people treated her like she was ALREADY the dominant player in the game, which she isn't. Yet,

Volcana
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:03 AM
You don't win two slams and an YEC as an overrated player, obviously you're missing that point.
Being overrated has NOTHING to do with your actual accompishments. If we all were saying Venus is the best player in the history of tennis, she'd be over-rated. But she'd still have six GS singles titles.

Sharapova IS 'over-rated'. But all that means is that many people treated her like she was ALREADY the dominant player in the game, which she isn't. Yet, anyway.

heytennis
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:07 AM
She's been one of 15 women to be ranked number one. That one dimension must be amazing.

Donny
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:09 AM
Whats your problem with the YEC?

If you're referring to my previous posts about the YEC, then they aren't related to this. I've no problem with the YEC, or the Masters CUp. They're great events. However, they in no way shape or form serve as a measuring stick for how well a player would do in a regular WTA tournament.

As for Maria's slam, I'm referring to Serena getting injured up 4-1 in the third. Obviously Maria won, and deserved to win. But to act like she won it because she was the clear best out of the top eight is silly, imo.

So all wins aren't equal.

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:10 AM
Being overrated has NOTHING to do with your actual accompishments. If we all were saying Venus is the best player in the history of tennis, she'd be over-rated. But she'd still have six GS singles titles.

Sharapova IS 'over-rated'. But all that means is that many people treated her like she was ALREADY the dominant player in the game, which she isn't. Yet, anyway.

I don't feel that the general tennis public has done that actually with Maria.
We don't expect her to win every tournament she enters unlike players like Serena and Justine.

heytennis
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:12 AM
If you're referring to my previous posts about the YEC, then they aren't related to this. I've no problem with the YEC, or the Masters CUp. They're great events. However, they in no way shape or form serve as a measuring stick for how well a player would do in a regular WTA tournament.

As for Maria's slam, I'm referring to Serena getting injured up 4-1 in the third. Obviously Maria won, and deserved to win. But to act like she won it because she was the clear best out of the top eight is silly, imo.

So all wins aren't equal.

True but many players have won titles by retirement and walkover. The only time Serena has won the YEC was when she got a walkover when Davenport was injured. As I've said many times before, I don't think any title should have an asterisk next to it.

GrandSlam05
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:15 AM
She's been one of 15 women to be ranked number one. That one dimension must be amazing.
Not really. Justine and Kim were still making their way up the ranks. Davenport took almost the whole summer off to heal her back and lost a TON of points. And V&S were playing their usual "I only play the slams" schedule. Somebody had to be #1 and Maria got it.
Mauresmo was also #1 for a brief period in 2004 but was clearly not the best player in the world at that time.
In the old days #1 meant you were the best player in the world, nowadays it doesn't mean shit sometimes.

Donny
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:15 AM
True but many players have won titles by retirement and walkover. The only time Serena has won the YEC was when she got a walkover when Davenport was injured. As I've said many times before, I don't think any title should have an asterisk next to it.

I don't think so either. But when judging a player's greatness, more than adding up title counts is necessary.

It's like Steffi Graf. She's obviously the most accomplished player of the Open Era. Is she the best? Absolutely not.

heytennis
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:26 AM
Not really. Justine and Kim were still making their way up the ranks. Davenport took almost the whole summer off to heal her back and lost a TON of points. And V&S were playing their usual "I only play the slams" schedule. Somebody had to be #1 and Maria got it.
Mauresmo was also #1 for a brief period in 2004 but was clearly not the best player in the world at that time.
In the old days #1 meant you were the best player in the world, nowadays it doesn't mean shit sometimes.

Think of all the great players that have made it to number two but not to number one. Maria has gone one step further. You can't make excuses even if you don't like her.

When there is an opportunity like that, a player has to take it.

GrandSlam05
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:32 AM
Think of all the great players that have made it to number two but not to number one. Maria has gone one step further. You can't make excuses even if you don't like her.

When there is an opportunity like that, a player has to take it.

Well, she deserved her ranking I guess. The system is the way it is. But IMO the rankings will be inaccurate at times b/c the players winning slams do not play nearly as many tournaments as the dominant players did in the old days. Therefore it makes it possible for someone to get to the #1 just by playing alot. Hell, Kim somehow got to #1 in 2003 before Justine even though Justine beat her every time they played including two slams. Just by playing alot more she stayed ahead of Justine for a while there. This is why the #1 rankings is significant sometimes, but sometimes it is not.

heytennis
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:38 AM
Well, she deserved her ranking I guess. The system is the way it is. But IMO the rankings will be inaccurate at times b/c the players winning slams do not play nearly as many tournaments as the dominant players did in the old days. Therefore it makes it possible for someone to get to the #1 just by playing alot. Hell, Kim somehow got to #1 in 2003 before Justine even though Justine beat her every time they played including two slams. Just by playing alot more she stayed ahead of Justine for a while there. This is why the #1 rankings is significant sometimes, but sometimes it is not.

I think you can tell how much a player "deserved" the number one ranking by looking at how long they had it. Henin, Davenport, Serena etc all had it for a long time. This shows that they were more dominant than people like Sharapova, Capriati and Venus were. I hate the idea of a slamless number one. Thank god Clijsters and Mauresmo eventually won slams to justify their ranking.

By the way, you may want to check out the Clijsters-Henin H2H, it is closer than you may think. It was really only in slams that Henin handled pressure better than Clisters (at least in recent years).

eugreene2
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:39 AM
I'm glad so many of you know these players personally.

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:59 AM
Maria will be fine. She's going to win at least once during the Cali hardcourt season and will be considered more than a strong contender to defend her USO title. Mark my words.

bellascarlett
Jul 8th, 2007, 07:47 AM
Again, despite 2 Grand Slams (current holder of 1) and reaching the number 1, being relatively consistent in tournaments and slams, people seem to forget she's only turned 20. :yawn: :zzz:

I know some of you have had to deal with her for years (much to your dismay), but Maria is that young. Sorry, but she has time.

So many threads like this and others that have come up similar to this this year, but we basically got the same threads before she won the USO last year. At that time, she had seriously bad records against Kim, Justine & Amelie -- had never beaten Amelie & Kim, Justine just once. People were saying the same negative things about her. But she eventually got the job done, beating two of them in winning her second slam and going on to dominate the indoor season. She'll have her time again soon once she gets her shoulder, serve and confidence sorted out. She's young, works hard, and has tons of perspective. It's impossible to expect her to have all ups and not downs when almost everyone has had both. She's still the best of her generation. Until somebody steps up and wins a GS, that shouldn't be put into question. She'll be fine.

sharapovarulz1
Jul 8th, 2007, 09:43 AM
Again, despite 2 Grand Slams (current holder of 1) and reaching the number 1, being relatively consistent in tournaments and slams, people seem to forget she's only turned 20. :yawn: :zzz:

I know some of you have had to deal with her for years (much to your dismay), but Maria is that young. Sorry, but she has time.

So many threads like this and others that have come up similar to this this year, but we basically got the same threads before she won the USO last year. At that time, she had seriously bad records against Kim, Justine & Amelie -- had never beaten Amelie & Kim, Justine just once. People were saying the same negative things about her. But she eventually got the job done, beating two of them in winning her second slam and going on to dominate the indoor season. She'll have her time again soon once she gets her shoulder, serve and confidence sorted out. She's young, works hard, and has tons of perspective. It's impossible to expect her to have all ups and not downs when almost everyone has had both. She's still the best of her generation. Until somebody steps up and wins a GS, that shouldn't be put into question. She'll be fine.

Well said! Bravo :clap2:

goldlion
Jul 8th, 2007, 09:55 AM
Do you think she should gain weight so that she can add more power to her serve to something like 117 - 120 miles? It seems her fastest is only 115, which is quite slow for a 6"2. Also, weighing only 59kg is rather too light for her height! See Ivanovic, she's 2 inches shorter, but 30 pounds heavier, so her serve is powerful.

KBdoubleu
Jul 8th, 2007, 10:46 AM
Do you think she should gain weight so that she can add more power to her serve to something like 117 - 120 miles? It seems her fastest is only 115, which is quite slow for a 6"2. Also, weighing only 59kg is rather too light for her height! See Ivanovic, she's 2 inches shorter, but 30 pounds heavier, so her serve is powerful.

Weight doesn't really matter, look at Venus. Sharapova has gained weight in fact, and it doesn't seem to have helped her serve at all.

sammy01
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:30 AM
Depression?
Tennis is not that serious for any of these players once they leave the practice courts.
As Justine said before this tournament, winning Wimbledon will not make her a better person.

I'm sure the same can be said for Maria and winning any tournament.

Sharapova hasn't lost before the round of 16 for three years. That's consistency for you.
She's ranked number two in the world for a reason.

Again there's no reason to question a player if they're holding one of the four slams in their possession.

im sure henin shed a few tears after her loss to bartoli and im sure her life the last 3 weeks has been totaly geared to winning wimbledon! as for sharapova not losing before the round of 16 in most tournaments she is ranked 2 in the world so in most tournaments she gets a bye into the round of 16! and the tournaments she has lost in the round of 16 (french open, wimbledon, miami) are all huge tournaments where she has to earn her place in the round of 16 by winning 2 or 3 matches where she is not aided by a bye to the 16's and is therefore vunarable! maria is in trouble if venus serena and henin commit to 2 tourns each on the american hardcourts plus the us open then she will probably go into the indoor season titleless! (though she will pick up a title of 2 in the indoor season as venus serena heni wont play many if any tournaments!)

Mikey B
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:42 AM
i think this terrible year could be the best thing to happen to maria... this year iv felt that maria has just been abit complacent with her tennis, only ultilising her natural abilities, not really becoming the best physical athlete that she can be... i think she needs to do a navratilova and transform herself into a great athlete... get stronger, get fitter, get faster! all this will just help her become a better player, with a stronger physical body she'll be less injury prone..

her natural abilities are clear when she gets her racket on the ball, but she's not shown that she's a natural athlete since she grew those 2 extra inches over 2005... unlike serena, who i think could have picked up any sport, she doesnt have that sort of natural athletic ability. and she shoudl really work on that.. when she does she'll win more and more slams, she'll be world number one again and really live up to her potential...

i think she is going to work on it over the summer, in her press conference after wimbledon i got the impression that she knows she needs to do more physically...

its exciting to think of her in a couple years time, or even just a years time, if she puts in the work she could be great!

bandabou
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:55 AM
Her performances at the majors are regressing too. Won '06 u.s.open, runner up '07 oz open, SF '07 RG, fourth round Wimby ( earliest exit in years at Wimby on her best surface!)...there's a trend here.

xan
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:06 PM
Her performances at the majors are regressing too. Won '06 u.s.open, runner up '07 oz open, SF '07 RG, fourth round Wimby ( earliest exit in years at Wimby on her best surface!)...there's a trend here.

The same old people keep bringing the same old trash out to air... :rolleyes:

What was Venus's record before she sneaked in three good matches to win at Wimbledon?

Somehow Maria's the only player not allowed to lose a match without the WTA-world vultures closing in on her.

Reality CHECK:

Maria is
Current US Open Champion
Currently World No 2.
World No 1 this year.
Finalist at Australian Open, despite a shoulder injury.
Semi-Finalist on her worst surface in Paris RG, despite a poorly recovered shoulder.
When she gets knocked out of a slam it's usually by the eventual winner.

So if she's a poor one-dimensional player, everyone else must be poor half-dimensional players.

Matt01
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:17 PM
I think the crucial time for Maria will come in the summer hardcourt season. If she doesn't get her act together and start winning some tournaments, she can say "bye-bye" to the Top 5 soon :wavey:

:devil:

mankind
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:20 PM
The same old people keep bringing the same old trash out to air... :rolleyes:

What was Venus's record before she sneaked in three good matches to win at Wimbledon?

Somehow Maria's the only player not allowed to lose a match without the WTA-world vultures closing in on her.

Reality CHECK:

Maria is
Current US Open Champion
Currently World No 2.
World No 1 this year.
Finalist at Australian Open, despite a shoulder injury.
Semi-Finalist on her worst surface in Paris RG, despite a poorly recovered shoulder.
When she gets knocked out of a slam it's usually by the eventual winner.

So if she's a poor one-dimensional player, everyone else must be poor half-dimensional players.

The main reason why she has had some great slam results this year despite the fact that she is playing so badly is because of her cakewalk draws. Why? Because she is always highly seeded. A great achievement to be sure, but she got there by a one-dimensional game, and nobody in their right mind can possibly deny that her game is one-dimensional. Now that people have started to figure her game out, overpower her, wear the novelty off, every player she plays who is remotely good wipes the floor with her. Fortunately for Maria, these players are usually highly ranked (exception: Venus, who terminated Maria's Wimbledon campaign and gave her the worst GS result of her season thus far) and Maria cannot possibly meet them until later in the tournament. So, she gets deep by beating mediocre players and that's how her ranking has stayed so high for a while now.

bandabou
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:26 PM
The same old people keep bringing the same old trash out to air... :rolleyes:

What was Venus's record before she sneaked in three good matches to win at Wimbledon?

Somehow Maria's the only player not allowed to lose a match without the WTA-world vultures closing in on her.

Reality CHECK:

Maria is
Current US Open Champion
Currently World No 2.
World No 1 this year.
Finalist at Australian Open, despite a shoulder injury.
Semi-Finalist on her worst surface in Paris RG, despite a poorly recovered shoulder.
When she gets knocked out of a slam it's usually by the eventual winner.

So if she's a poor one-dimensional player, everyone else must be poor half-dimensional players.

There's a reason for that..her being ranked no.2. Maria is still consistent enough AND plays often enough that she can mantain a high rank..thus she gets a pretty easy draw most of the time. Is it coincidience that as soon as she meets a CAPABLE player, she is toast? Serena at the Oz open, Serena at Miami, Ivanovic at RG, Venus at Wimbledon...

I don't think Maria is done...but her resent results should be worrisome for her fans.

terjw
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:33 PM
Well, she deserved her ranking I guess. The system is the way it is. But IMO the rankings will be inaccurate at times b/c the players winning slams do not play nearly as many tournaments as the dominant players did in the old days. Therefore it makes it possible for someone to get to the #1 just by playing alot. Hell, Kim somehow got to #1 in 2003 before Justine even though Justine beat her every time they played including two slams. Just by playing alot more she stayed ahead of Justine for a while there. This is why the #1 rankings is significant sometimes, but sometimes it is not.

Do your homework. Justine did not beat Kim every time they played. She beat her in the slam finals but their H2H was very even in 2003 and in favour of Kim before 2003. And it was only recently in 2006 that Justine actually managed to overtake Kim in their H2H.

Kim did not just get to #1 by playing a lot. She got it by winning tournaments and her performances in the slams. It is also BS to suggest her #1 ranking was not significant. She was deservedly the best player until Justine stepped it up in the slams that year to take #1. The only difference between the two players at the end was Justine won 2 slams whereas Kim won the YEC and more tournaments - 9 of them - which has still not been exceeded since.

terjw
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:44 PM
On the subject of Maria - it's interesting this thread because this subject was actually discussed on BBC during Wimbledon. The general concensus was that Maria would benefit from dumping her father as a coach - particularly since she has such a one-dimensional game under her father.

goldlion
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:55 PM
There's a reason for that..her being ranked no.2. Maria is still consistent enough AND plays often enough that she can mantain a high rank..thus she gets a pretty easy draw most of the time. Is it coincidience that as soon as she meets a CAPABLE player, she is toast? Serena at the Oz open, Serena at Miami, Ivanovic at RG, Venus at Wimbledon...

I don't think Maria is done...but her resent results should be worrisome for her fans.

You're right. Her YTD result is really worrisome for her fans. She definitely has to change her style. Her style is totally predictable and the angles and powers she creates and uses have just been studied by others. Thus, players can work out a game plan against her. Only those inexperienced players couldn't beat her, otherwise, you know, it's very unlikely for her to get good results in the slams.

Will she consider Martina to be her coach? LOL as she cares about her that much? It's time for her to quit her father ... Yuri just doesn't have the ability to bring Maria to another level.