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Sam L
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:17 AM
Serena owns the Australian Open, winner in 2003,2005 and 2007.

Justine owns Roland Garros, winner in 2003,2005,2006 and 2007.

Venus owns Wimbledon, winner in 2000,2001,2005 and 2007.

No one owns the US Open! Who will step up and be Queen of Flushing Meadows?

Contenders:

Serena - 1999,2002
Venus - 2000,2001
Justine - 2003
Kuznetsova - 2004
Sharapova - 2006

I could see Ivanovic stepping up and filling this role. Maybe.

Thoughts?

BTW, the US Open is also the slam that's gone the longest without a three-peat winner. The last was Chris Evert in the late 70's.

It is truly open.

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:17 AM
Serena owns the Australian Open, winner in 2003,2005 and 2007.

Justine owns Roland Garros, winner in 2003,2005,2006 and 2007.

Venus owns Wimbledon, winner in 2000,2001,2005 and 2007.

No one owns the US Open! Who will step up and be Queen of Roland Garros?

Contenders:

Serena - 1999,2002
Venus - 2000,2001
Justine - 2003
Kuznetsova - 2004
Sharapova - 2006

I could see Ivanovic stepping up and filling this role. Maybe.

Thoughts?

BTW, the US Open is also the slam that's gone the longest without a three-peat winner. The last was Chris Evert in the late 70's.

It is truly open.

:spit:

Sam L
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:18 AM
:spit:

Why did you go change my post? :confused:

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:19 AM
Why did you go change my post? :confused:

:rolleyes:

Bitch, you edited that shit fast enough to keep it from registering and you know it! :haha:

heytennis
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:19 AM
Probably Serena. BTW there has been a trillion threads on this so dont be suprised if you don't get nice answers.

cellophane
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:20 AM
That's why I love the US Open the most. ;)

AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:21 AM
Venus has the best record there :) She's only lost to absolutely on-fire players there(Serena, Davenport during her great run and Clijsters during her insane summer run)

Kunal
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:23 AM
serena and venus are close to owning it cuz if any of those two get one more then....3 trophies would qualify somewhat in the 'owning' sense

jcempire
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:23 AM
Serena owns the Australian Open, winner in 2003,2005 and 2007.

Justine owns Roland Garros, winner in 2003,2005,2006 and 2007.

Venus owns Wimbledon, winner in 2000,2001,2005 and 2007.

No one owns the US Open! Who will step up and be Queen of Flushing Meadows?

Contenders:

Serena - 1999,2002
Venus - 2000,2001
Justine - 2003
Kuznetsova - 2004
Sharapova - 2006

I could see Ivanovic stepping up and filling this role. Maybe.

Thoughts?

BTW, the US Open is also the slam that's gone the longest without a three-peat winner. The last was Chris Evert in the late 70's.

It is truly open.

Serena could win her third US OPEN without injury. But I'm not sure How long can she stay health.

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:24 AM
Flushing Medows is the hardest to own because the Hard court season is so long and the hard courts do more damage on the body IMO. And its at the end of the season, so everyone is usually injured, just coming back... Remember the year Justine won. The only top players there were her and Clijsters. Venus/ Serena. Hingis and others were all injured/ retired....

Sam L
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:24 AM
:rolleyes:

Bitch, you edited that shit fast enough to keep it from registering and you know it! :haha:

Bitch. :rolleyes:

sweetpeas
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:24 AM
Right On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cartmancop
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:26 AM
Vee would probably be my pick, given her great record from 97-present. She had several years of making at least the SF or F or W...

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:27 AM
The US Open Series is going to be fun. It's pretty much the last chance for the players to win something big (basically something the that public/avg. tennis viewer would know about). It would be great to see Venus or Serena take the USO this year, but I feel that it is still such a wide open tournament. I can see V or S, Justine, Jelena, or just a complete unknown winning it. Who knows? But we all have to stay tuned...

Sam L
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:29 AM
Probably Serena. BTW there has been a trillion threads on this so dont be suprised if you don't get nice answers.

My thread is more insightful than: "this is another 2005" or "Kim's not here so who's going to win US Open" or "they're all one court wonders".

This tournament has had very random winners in the last few years and no one has dominated since Evert's days. Not even Navratilova, Graf, Seles nor the Williams sisters could win three consecutive titles here.

Why? Is it because it's at the end of the year and the form players are tired and more prone to upsets? Is it because of the surface? Is it because of the crowd and atmosphere?

Serena!
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:34 AM
If anyone Venus and Serena own it. Venus has never lost before the 4th Round here. The first one of them to win a third US Open will "own" it

heytennis
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:37 AM
My thread is more insightful than: "this is another 2005" or "Kim's not here so who's going to win US Open" or "they're all one court wonders".

This tournament has had very random winners in the last few years and no one has dominated since Evert's days. Not even Navratilova, Graf, Seles nor the Williams sisters could win three consecutive titles here.

Why? Is it because it's at the end of the year and the form players are tired and more prone to upsets? Is it because of the surface? Is it because of the crowd and atmosphere?

I think it's the surface. It isn't a specialized surface like grass or clay and that type of hardcourt has the longest lead up and the most tournaments on it.

My point is that it's the most neutral surface of the slams IMO.

AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:37 AM
Venus is the obvious answer.
1997-F
1998-SF
1999-SF
2000-W
2001-W
2002-F
2003-DNP
2004-R16
2005-QF
2006-DNP

schorsch
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:37 AM
wow interesting stats, thx. yeah, its def. cool to have a more "open" slam.

AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:38 AM
Venus is the obvious answer.
1997-F
1998-SF
1999-SF
2000-W
2001-W
2002-F
2003-DNP
2004-R16
2005-QF
2006-DNP

Btw, Serena has only made it past the QF at USO 3 times.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:12 AM
I think it's safe to say that the Williamses have owned it in the past, but without either sister in a final since 2002, it's definitely up for grabs again. HOWEVER, NO person since 2002 has appeared on consecutive finals. (Kim was in the 2003/2005 finals, winning the latter, so I guess she was the closest, but she's not active anymore. Sharapova reached the 2005 semis and won it last year, so I guess she's the closest to owning it now, but she would need another title.) I think Serenus can reclaim it this year, and especially since they both won majors this year, it seems VERY likely that we could be in for a 2001/2002 finals repeat. (I just hope they don't draw each other in R16 like 2005 :unsure: I think with a good summer, Venus could get to #8/7 and Serena could get up to #4/5/6 so they couldn't meet until at least the semis which would be good.) Justine's only passed the R16 twice (2003/2006). Her US Open record is very streaky. I guess she could step up and get to another final this year, but with Venus rounding into form, and Serena (in less shape than she is now) beating her in Miami, I don't see a Belgian hoisting the US Open trophy this year. Honestly, apart from a healthy, Serena/Venus/Maria/Justine, I don't see anyone else winning it :shrug:. The winner of the US Open Series could make a push, but this could certainly shape up to be a GREAT summer.

Bruno71
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:13 AM
Why? Is it because it's at the end of the year and the form players are tired and more prone to upsets?

Yes, it's a war of attrition. By that point in the year, you'll usually have at least 1 or 2 top players that don't play the event due to injury, fatigue or what have you. You'll also have others playing with injuries/fatigue that hamper them, more often than you will at, say, Melbourne.

At this point, hunger becomes a huge issue. More often than not, the hungriest player seems to win. Look at Maria's semi-final with Amelie last year. Maria was (and is always in any slam really) hungry to win that slam. Amelie looked rather unfocused and lost at times. You'll never see a hungrier Justine than at the US Open in 2003...if she had that at this Wimbledon she probably would have found a way to beat Bartoli. Even Kim was pretty hungry in 2005, relative to her normal self.

Venus & Serena will not lack in this area in any year, they just have to show up ready physically. I say if either of them can do that this year, or if both of them can, one will win.

VivalaSeles
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:16 AM
Flushing Medows is the hardest to own because the Hard court season is so long and the hard courts do more damage on the body IMO. And its at the end of the season, so everyone is usually injured, just coming back... Remember the year Justine won. The only top players there were her and Clijsters. Venus/ Serena. Hingis and others were all injured/ retired....

So you do not consider Davenport and Capriati top players?

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:25 AM
Capriati....no....and Davenport wasnt at the tops back then... Im not taking away from Justine... but i dont know if you remember the announcers said several times about how everyone was injured that year...

Goai
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:32 AM
Clijsters could have, if she played longer.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:35 AM
I'm sorry. Serena was the best player in tennis UNQUESTIONABLY. She and Venus were the closest thing to Roger/Rafa on the tour back then.

Do you mean to tell me that if Roger/Rafa were absent from the US Open then no one would put an asterisk next to the title winner? :shrug:

COME ON!

Justine did win 7 matches there, but there's NO WAY she would have done that if Venus and Serena were there. I say that without a STITCH of doubt in my mind.

akosiirwyn
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:36 AM
Btw, Serena has only made it past the QF at USO 3 times.

wow.. i'd have thought it was more. well, hope she'll make it 4 this year.

heytennis
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:39 AM
I'm sorry. Serena was the best player in tennis UNQUESTIONABLY. She and Venus were the closest thing to Roger/Rafa on the tour back then.

Do you mean to tell me that if Roger/Rafa were absent from the US Open then no one would put an asterisk next to the title winner? :shrug:

COME ON!

Justine did win 7 matches there, but there's NO WAY she would have done that if Venus and Serena were there. I say that without a STITCH of doubt in my mind.

No title should have an asterisk next to it. Serena beat an injured Venus in the 2003 Wimbledon final. Is there an asterisk next to that?

The last man (or woman in this case) standing is the winner. Neither Venus nor Serena were standing. And we really have no idea what would have happened had Henin and Serena met at the Open that year. She could have won.

VivalaSeles
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:41 AM
Capriati....no....and Davenport wasnt at the tops back then... Im not taking away from Justine... but i dont know if you remember the announcers said several times about how everyone was injured that year...

Capriati a multiple Slam winner is not a top player? Davenport who ended 2004 and 2005 as number 1 was not at tops?

VivalaSeles
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:43 AM
I'm sorry. Serena was the best player in tennis UNQUESTIONABLY. She and Venus were the closest thing to Roger/Rafa on the tour back then.

Do you mean to tell me that if Roger/Rafa were absent from the US Open then no one would put an asterisk next to the title winner? :shrug:

COME ON!

Justine did win 7 matches there, but there's NO WAY she would have done that if Venus and Serena were there. I say that without a STITCH of doubt in my mind.

And Venus and Justine were not present at this year's AO. Will you also put an asterik next to her win?

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:49 AM
In 2003 Capriati and Davneport were have less than perfect years. Capriati had lost 1st round a the AO. and 4th at FO.(the tournaments she has W next to her name) she turned her year around at wimbledon and US... but she was def not considered the tops. Look at what happened the next year with the questionable calls against Serena in the quaters that she replied " I got some bad calls, and she got some bad calls". and the miscalled score... she went on to lose to Dementieva who found her self in a 2nd undeserved final.... so no i do not consider end of the year 2003 Capriati a dominate player.

In 2003 were the first talks of should Davenport retire.....she hasnt been having a steller year (two 4th round losses and a quater) so no i dont consider her the tops in 2003. The main factors were missing

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:51 AM
And Venus and Justine were not present at this year's AO. Will you also put an asterik next to her win?

Of course there are asteriks next to the wins in some matches ( I def consider Serena 2003 win over Venus an asterik, because Venus took her to 3 was close to the win and was injured could barely sreve and move.... had she been healthy... she would have won, and she would have been able to play 2003 and poss win there instead she was injured and put a halt on her career)

MrSerenaWilliams
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:55 AM
And Venus and Justine were not present at this year's AO. Will you also put an asterik next to her win?


Venus had never won the AO title. She reached the final in 2003, but hadn't been past the R16 since then.

Justine, was the #1 player in the world, however, she was not the AO defending champ, and there were 2 more recent GS winners on tour, and both of them WERE at the AO. Justine won only 1 slam in 2006, and her most recent slam before that, was the same event (Roland Garros) in 2005.

Serena was the DEFENDING US Open Champion, who had won 5 of the previous 6 slams. She also reached the final in 2001. Venus was the defending finalist, who had reached the finals for 3 straight years and won 2 of the 3, and had NEVER lost before the SF.

It's NOT the same as the AO this year :rolleyes: GET REAL!

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:59 AM
One thing we can say.... Everyone was at Wimbledon this year and Venus was still lightyears ahead of all of them....

vwfan
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:44 PM
Venus Williams has the best record there among active players:

reached final in 1997, unseeded.

won 2000 and 2001; RUP in 2002

only losing before the QF, once!

she is due for another nice run there, so look out!

LudwigDvorak
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:19 PM
Everyone saying Venus, don't forget, she's a Wimbledon slam wonder. :rolleyes:

Dementieva has easily the best USO record of any player to NOT win it, and Venus has the best USO record in general. Make it interesting this year, girls.

Si_Hi
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:23 PM
i hope it's ju or maria or nikki

RenaSlam.
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:12 PM
Serena has 3 finals, winning two.

Venus 3 finals, winning two.

They own there, collectively. Period.

Il Primo!
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:15 PM
Serena has 3 finals, winning two.

Venus 3 finals, winning two.

They own there, collectively. Period.

Venus 4 finals, winning two ;)

RenaSlam.
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:18 PM
Venus 4 finals, winning two ;)

I stand corrected. :wink:

Viktymise
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:22 PM
A Dementieva - Venus final would be nice this year :hearts:

SvetaPleaseWin.
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:26 PM
sveta!!!

hablo
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:30 PM
Vaidisova, Ivanovic or Jankovic could have a breakthrough imo.

mankind
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:36 PM
I want a new slam winner at the USO this year!

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:37 PM
Vaidisova, Ivanovic or Jankovic could have a breakthrough imo.

Breakthrough? yes?, but if they breakthrough it'll still be their first win so the US Open will still be unowned...If Venus wins though i think she owns it. Lets look at history she did the Wimbledon US open repeat twice in 2000/2001. made the final in 2002.
2003 was injured didnt play.
2004 marred with injuries.
2005 after winning Wimbledon ran into an on fire kim clisjters to stop her from doing another repeat
2006 Didnt play.....

I say unless someone else plays on fire or Venus gets injured this summer.... Venus will hold the US OPEN trophy again...

RenaSlam.
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:38 PM
The U.S. Open is perfect for Serena.

The atmosphere, the fans, the bright lights.

Serena will win the 2007 U.S. Open provided she is healthy.

Dexter
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:40 PM
I want a new slam winner at the USO this year!Me too, WHOEVER it would be. It would be so refreshing.

Il Primo!
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:41 PM
A Dementieva - Venus final would be nice this year :hearts:

Don't get me started:o

Tennis-Chick
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:42 PM
I say either Ivanovic or Jankovic, will own Flushing Meadows soon

hablo
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:43 PM
Breakthrough? yes?, but if they breakthrough it'll still be their first win
And that was my contribution to this thread.

I wasn't really answering the question as to why no one really owns the US Open.

I wouldn't mind a new winner of the US Open either.

Il Primo!
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:47 PM
BTW Jankovic is sooo overrated. I mean, she can reach the semis, maybe even the final (and I'm not so sure about that) but winning the whole thing is another story. With her bird serve she ain't gonna win against the major contenders like Williamses/Henin/Shrapova.

I'd rather put my momeny on Ana Ivanovic (the real deal in Serbia) or Nicole for a first GS victory

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:53 PM
BTW Jankovic is sooo overrated. I mean, she can reach the semis, maybe even the final (and I'm not so sure about that) but winning the whole thing is another story. With her bird serve she ain't gonna win against the major contenders like Williamses/Henin/Shrapova.

I'd rather put my momeny on Ana Ivanovic (the real deal in Serbia) or Nicole for a first GS victory

I wouldnt say shes overrated.... I would say shes following down the Dokic path of self destruction though..... if she plays fewer tournaments she'll have a better shot at the majors IMO

AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:33 PM
no new winner this year I'm guessing. Henin, Sharapova, Kuzzy, Venus, and Serena will be too strong.

frontier
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:13 PM
this year as long as serena and venus are at the opposite sides of the draw one of them will win it.NO pova,justine,momo,jj,nicole or ana.Its a done deal its a williams trophy this year.

Slampova
Jul 9th, 2007, 12:57 AM
Maria will establish herself as queen of the Summer Hardcourt Season and Flushing Meadows. :) It's her best surface...

heytennis
Jul 9th, 2007, 12:59 AM
I think Henin's best time of the year is over so I'll say Serena will make herself the undisputed queen or Sharapova will tie herself with the Williams sisters.

sfselesfan
Jul 9th, 2007, 01:22 AM
Because of the timing, at the end of the year, it is difficult to dominate this slam...depends heavily on injuries. If healthy the WS rule NYC.

SF

friendsita
Jul 9th, 2007, 01:31 AM
WILLIAMS' own Flushing Meadows.

go hingis
Jul 9th, 2007, 01:53 AM
Hingis still owns the Aussie.

Jirku
Jul 9th, 2007, 01:56 AM
ivanovic ??? :haha:

henin or serena

outsider: tati ,nicole :angel:

Jirku
Jul 9th, 2007, 01:57 AM
Hingis still owns the Aussie.

true

sfselesfan
Jul 9th, 2007, 02:04 AM
ivanovic ??? :haha:

henin or serena

outsider: tati ,nicole :angel:

Henin? One title does not equal ownage (especially in a year when neither WS played)...sorry...


Also, to get technical...Venus has a winning record over Serena at USO, and the same number of titles.

SF

sfselesfan
Jul 9th, 2007, 02:08 AM
Hingis still owns the Aussie.

With that logic...

Monica still owns the Aussie.

Steffi still owns the French (or Chrissie)

Martina owns Wimbledon, and Steffi owns the USO.

SF

friendsita
Jul 9th, 2007, 02:41 AM
Hingis still owns the Aussie.

owned :rolleyes:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jul 9th, 2007, 04:25 AM
It's kinda stange... Serena is the master of Melbourne Park, Justine the queen of Roland Garros, and Venus the emperess of Wimbledon, but no player owns the hardcourts of Flushing Meadows. It's like an anomaly, a freak of nature... you know.

Since 1999, the list of winners were...
Serena (1999 and 2002)
Venus (2000 and 2001)
Justine (2003)
Svetlana (2004)
Clijsters (2005)
Sharapova (2006)

Serena and Venus might have won it twice, but that was a long time ago (pre-2003). Clijsters is retired. Justine, Svetlana and Sharapova had only won it once. So, this what makes US Open 2007 so interesting this year. If one of the Williams win it, then we can truly say the own Flushing Meadows. If Justine, Sveta and Sharapova wins it, then they "share" with the Williams as 2-time winners, but still cannot be considered as owning Flushing Meadows. And if there's a new winner, the spot of "Mistress of Flushing Meadows" will remain vacant until next year.

Whatever happens, I can't really wait for September to roll by! Bring it on ;)

Brooklyn90
Jul 9th, 2007, 04:34 AM
WILLIAMS' own Flushing Meadows.

:yeah:

iWill
Jul 9th, 2007, 06:01 AM
I'm going to have to say Venus owns it she has the best record there 43-6 and she has never lose prior to the 4th round and the time she did lose was when she had to play world number 1 at the time Lindsay Davenport

Serena would for sure be second she has only once lost prior to the 4th round and that was in her first year playing the tourney and the next year she won it

Justine is third to me only because she cant seem to get past the 4th round and the times she did she made the final but that was only twice

The USO is also a very interesting tourney as well because their has been very interesting their is always good QF and SF matches but their hasnt been a 3 set final since 95!

Max565
Jul 9th, 2007, 10:18 AM
Hingis still owns the Aussie.

:yeah: :yippee: :rocker2:

explorer
Jul 9th, 2007, 10:59 AM
Venus had never won the AO title. She reached the final in 2003, but hadn't been past the R16 since then.

Justine, was the #1 player in the world, however, she was not the AO defending champ, and there were 2 more recent GS winners on tour, and both of them WERE at the AO. Justine won only 1 slam in 2006, and her most recent slam before that, was the same event (Roland Garros) in 2005.

Serena was the DEFENDING US Open Champion, who had won 5 of the previous 6 slams. She also reached the final in 2001. Venus was the defending finalist, who had reached the finals for 3 straight years and won 2 of the 3, and had NEVER lost before the SF.

It's NOT the same as the AO this year :rolleyes: GET REAL!
How about 2005 AO, when Serena won it but Justine wasn't presented because of knee injury? She was AO defending champ that year.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jul 9th, 2007, 11:11 AM
How about 2005 AO, when Serena won it but Justine wasn't presented because of knee injury? She was AO defending champ that year.


You really should read the WHOLE post.

Yes, Justine was the defending champ, but that was her most recent slam victory. Also, she was not the #1 player in the world at the time either.

At the 2003 US Open, Serena was the defending champion, had reached 2 staright finals, was World #1, and won 5/6 previous majors; reaching the finals in 6/7. Justine could not lay claim to THAT, and that's why Serena's 2005 AO is FAR more legitimate than Justine's 2003 USO title.

Both are slams, but I SERIOUSLY doubt that Justine would have won if Serena was there. However Serena did beat 2 of the players who were #1 in 2004 (Mauresmo, Davenport) and the winner of Wimbledon/YEC (Sharapova) during her run to the AO title. :wavey: Nice try though :yeah:

Petersmiler
Jul 9th, 2007, 12:09 PM
You really should read the WHOLE post.

Yes, Justine was the defending champ, but that was her most recent slam victory. Also, she was not the #1 player in the world at the time either.

At the 2003 US Open, Serena was the defending champion, had reached 2 staright finals, was World #1, and won 5/6 previous majors; reaching the finals in 6/7. Justine could not lay claim to THAT, and that's why Serena's 2005 AO is FAR more legitimate than Justine's 2003 USO title.

Both are slams, but I SERIOUSLY doubt that Justine would have won if Serena was there. However Serena did beat 2 of the players who were #1 in 2004 (Mauresmo, Davenport) and the winner of Wimbledon/YEC (Sharapova) during her run to the AO title. :wavey: Nice try though :yeah:

My god, you really are obsessed.

I feel sorry for your history books as they must be covered in your scrawl rewriting them!

SV_Fan
Jul 9th, 2007, 12:14 PM
Marion Bartoli? will she have another great run.

SV_Fan
Jul 9th, 2007, 12:17 PM
Wouldn't the sisters own it if they won in 99,00,01,02 four times in a row?

Petersmiler
Jul 9th, 2007, 12:19 PM
Wouldn't the sisters own it if they won in 99,00,01,02 four times in a row?

If one of them had, maybe.