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Uranium
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:57 PM
Singles-Venus
4 Wimbledon
2 US Open
Olympic gold medal

Singles-Serena
3 Australian Open
1 French
2 Wimbledon
2 US Open

Doubles
2 Australian Open titles
1 French Open
2 Wimbledon
1 US Open
Olympic gold medal

Mixed- Venus
1 Australian and French Open
Mixed-Serena
1 Wimbledon and US Open

Do you think:
Venus can get career grand slam in singles?
-Australian she has a shot, she may be motivated if Serena does well to do well. French has a small chance if Henin gets injured.
Venus and Serena getting cAReer grand slam in mixed each?
-Serena hasn't played. Venus has attempted to get Wimbledon 5 times and came up short, I think she could.

RenaSlam.
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:07 PM
Duh.

Lulu.
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:09 PM
Pretty much yeah.

sarciness
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:13 PM
Justine has to be up there at the least. She not world number 1 for nothing.

Volcana
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Venus is my alltime favorite player, but the two best current players are Serena and Justine Henin.

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:16 PM
^ Agree. Venus will need to translate this form to more than just grass for her to be considered on the same level as Serena/Justine.

40-0
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:20 PM
Im pretty sure Venus will have a good run at majors, if she wants it she can have Us Open and Australian *since it has a new surface that will help. IF serena stays healthy for US OPEN it will be hers.

IceSkaTennisFan
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:23 PM
When they are healthy, they are the best players around. When they aren't healthy, they're still pretty damn good, too, but they are of course more vulnerable. Justine has really built up her skill, though. She can't be overlooked, especially on clay. For me, it's Serena, Justine, Venus. Those are the best players in the womens game.

M2k
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:27 PM
At 27 I think she has another slam somewhere in here...well duh another Wimbledon of course :D She's the best player on Grass. Period! :worship: However I would have to say that Serena and Justine are the best current players on tour :( :(

Thanx4nothin
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:38 PM
If Vee can win like 2 more tournies and then the US Open or finals of the US runner up to serena or whatever, then yes.

Conor
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:59 PM
No... Justine has been far more consistent than Venus... and Serena for that matter. Right now Justine and Serena are the best IMO.

supergrunt
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:00 PM
Justine fans will say Justine, and Williams sisters fans will use sense, so its a pointless thread. :mad:

DavidEllul
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:18 PM
should be justine & Serena i think

woosey
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:23 PM
Justine fans will say Justine, and Williams sisters fans will use sense, so its a pointless thread. :mad:

exactly. :lol:

williams fans: 1+1=2

antiwilliams fans: 1+1=3

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:27 PM
Justine has to be up there at the least. She not world number 1 for nothing.

Yeah...as much as I dont like Justine..I mean I respect her...the girl can play some tennis...but i've never seen her as better than Venus or Serena. I've always said when they play their game..they are hands down without a question #1 and #2 (Venus and then Serena a very close #2) I probably would flip flop Sharapova and Henin at times for #3....but even Sharapova at her best (2004 :eek: ) I would give her the #3 spot with a very close #4 to Henin.

Conor
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:34 PM
Yeah...as much as I dont like Justine..I mean I respect her...the girl can play some tennis...but i've never seen her as better than Venus or Serena. I've always said when they play their game..they are hands down without a question #1 and #2 (Venus and then Serena a very close #2) I probably would flip flop Sharapova and Henin at times for #3....but even Sharapova at her best (2004 :eek: ) I would give her the #3 spot with a very close #4 to Henin.

Yes but how often does Serena, and in particular, Venus play their best? Venus has done little or nothing for 2 years thens wins Wimbledon. Whereas Justine reached 5 slam finals in a row... and Sharapova has an impressive slam record aswell. Its one thing to play at a high level for 2 weeks but to do it consistently seems to be beyond Venus at the moment. Lets see if she can keep it up...

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:40 PM
Yes but how often does Serena, and in particular, Venus play their best? Venus has done little or nothing for 2 years thens wins Wimbledon. Whereas Justine reached 5 slam finals in a row... and Sharapova has an impressive slam record aswell. Its one thing to play at a high level for 2 weeks but to do it consistently seems to be beyond Venus at the moment. Lets see if she can keep it up...

Well Venus and Serena play half as much tennis as these girls on the tour now. When Venus and Serena played a regular schedule, like Henin and Sharapova does now, they dominated the tour. Now they train around their schedule from their other projects and basically show up and show out at tournaments. I mean its a CLEAR difference and comparison when they are match fit and playing well..and when they are...no-one can beat them...Venus was a clear example of that today and Serena was at the AUS Open.

littlebin
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:48 PM
The problem is how Williams can play a regular schedule as Justine, Sharapova without getting injury?

Everyone can beat Williams when they have an off day. Player doesn't need to beat a best William, they just need to beat a William across the net.

"If they are at their best"? the problem is, how many times a player can play at their best?


Well Venus and Serena play half as much tennis as these girls on the tour now. When Venus and Serena played a regular schedule, like Henin and Sharapova does now, they dominated the tour. Now they train around their schedule from their other projects and basically show up and show out at tournaments. I mean its a CLEAR difference and comparison when they are match fit and playing well..and when they are...no-one can beat them...Venus was a clear example of that today and Serena was at the AUS Open.

Conor
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:50 PM
Well Venus and Serena play half as much tennis as these girls on the tour now. When Venus and Serena played a regular schedule, like Henin and Sharapova does now, they dominated the tour. Now they train around their schedule from their other projects and basically show up and show out at tournaments. I mean its a CLEAR difference and comparison when they are match fit and playing well..and when they are...no-one can beat them...Venus was a clear example of that today and Serena was at the AUS Open.

Im not denying that when they are playing their best, they are extremely difficult to beat. But the last time Venus played like this was Summer 2005... from then up until this Wimbledon her best result at a slam was QF at US 2005 I believe? And a lot of quite embarressing losses in between. Sure shes spectacular when she gets it right... but it doesnt happen very often. Justine wins at least 1 slam a year and nowdays reaches nearly every slam final. I think consistency is more important. Hopefully Venus can keep it up... I cant wait for some more Juju-Vee matches :drool:

MH0861
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:52 PM
Venus and Justine are very, very close but I think I give the edge to Venus now. She needs to be a bit more consistent though, I hope she stays healthy keeps this form up from now on.

iWill
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:09 AM
Im not denying that when they are playing their best, they are extremely difficult to beat. But the last time Venus played like this was Summer 2005... from then up until this Wimbledon her best result at a slam was QF at US 2005 I believe? And a lot of quite embarressing losses in between. Sure shes spectacular when she gets it right... but it doesnt happen very often. Justine wins at least 1 slam a year and nowdays reaches nearly every slam final. I think consistency is more important. Hopefully Venus can keep it up... I cant wait for some more Juju-Vee matches :drool:

It was QF of the 06 FO I think for sure Justine and Serena are the two best on tour right now and when Venus is playing well forget her best she is the clear number 3 with Amelie behind her I love that Venus has won 4 Wimbledon titles but I just hope that she can find it somewhere to win an OZ title or make another final there and go further at the FO she really can win both of those slams it just seems like every year its one thing or another with her Justine should continue to do well at all the slams and once Serena gets her ranking up a little higher she could be in the SF of every slam easily its just a matter of who is playing better when these 3 meet honestly

spokenword73
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:50 AM
Venus is and always will be better than Justine. After all Venus has beaten Justine SEVEN times, won many more tournaments and intimidates everyone. Plus Justine cheats. :spit:

supergrunt
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:52 AM
Well... Venus does own Justine.

AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:01 AM
4x Wimbledon champ>4x RG champ
7x GS finalist>4x GS finalist
7-1 H2H> 1-7 H2H
47 titles>34 titles

Venus is clearly better than Justine now. Consistency doesnt mean anything when the numbers speak for themselves.

austennis
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:28 AM
the best this year are
Justine
Serena
Maria
Venus
Ana

Donny
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:47 AM
Yes but how often does Serena, and in particular, Venus play their best? Venus has done little or nothing for 2 years thens wins Wimbledon. Whereas Justine reached 5 slam finals in a row... and Sharapova has an impressive slam record aswell. Its one thing to play at a high level for 2 weeks but to do it consistently seems to be beyond Venus at the moment. Lets see if she can keep it up...

She didn't reach five slam finals in a row. She missed the AO.

AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:50 AM
the best this year are
Justine
Serena
Maria
Venus
Ana

Maria??? :tape:

spencercarlos
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:53 AM
She didn't reach five slam finals in a row. She missed the AO.
5 straight where she played, or her streak got broken because of her no presentation at the Australian Open? :lol:

spencercarlos
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:23 AM
4x Wimbledon champ>4x RG champ
7x GS finalist>4x GS finalist
7-1 H2H> 1-7 H2H
47 titles>34 titles

Venus is clearly better than Justine now. Consistency doesnt mean anything when the numbers speak for themselves.
4 Wimbledons > 4 Rg based on? :lol:

They are 8 grand slam championships . There is no book saying a Wimbledon title is bigger than any of the other grand slams. Period.

Venus has 35 singles titles, Henin 34.

When you use doubles to defend Venus singles carreer in comparisson to Henin is just simply ridiculous, it only shows how much trouble your fave is.

Singles carreers compared Henin is ahead in my book. 1 Title at the YEC, way more weeks at number one and 3 of 4 grand slams tops the 3 more GS runner up finishes, head to head and 1 more singles title. The rest is even with 6 grand slams each.

Donny
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:32 AM
5 straight where she played, or her streak got broken because of her no presentation at the Australian Open? :lol:

Ummm.... yes?

Somehow, methinks that if Serena had decided to skip the 04 and 06 AO, you wouldn't be congratualting her on her "third Australian Open in a row."

Donny
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:34 AM
4 Wimbledons > 4 Rg based on? :lol:

They are 8 grand slam championships . There is no book saying a Wimbledon title is bigger than any of the other grand slams. Period.

Venus has 35 singles titles, Henin 34.

When you use doubles to defend Venus singles carreer in comparisson to Henin is just simply ridiculous, it only shows how much trouble your fave is.

Singles carreers compared Henin is ahead in my book. 1 Title at the YEC, way more weeks at number one and 3 of 4 grand slams tops the 3 more GS runner up finishes, head to head and 1 more singles title. The rest is even with 6 grand slams each.


Varierty of grand slams means nothing unless you're discussing different surfaces. No player who's won the AO has ever had problems at the US Open. One AO and a US Open= two US Opens.

friendsita
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:44 AM
Yes, they are simply the best.

gladysharon
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:38 AM
Numbers which started many years ago for Venus and Justine was still a greenhorn then doesnt mean anything.

It's unfair for Henin if you want to compare like that. Put these 2 girls on tour at the same time and consistency is key.

You dont show up for one tournament and win just like that and everyone should hail u as the best. That's rubbish.

spencercarlos
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:01 AM
Ummm.... yes?

Somehow, methinks that if Serena had decided to skip the 04 and 06 AO, you wouldn't be congratualting her on her "third Australian Open in a row."
Well first Serena DID PLAY the Australian Open 2006 losing to Daniela Hantuchova :rolleyes:

And if she would have done that i would have congratulated her, the same way i did to Monica in having a huge winning streak at the Australian Open from 1991-1999.

Viktymise
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:03 AM
4 Wimbledons > 4 Rg based on? :lol:

They are 8 grand slam championships . There is no book saying a Wimbledon title is bigger than any of the other grand slams. Period.

Venus has 35 singles titles, Henin 34.

When you use doubles to defend Venus singles carreer in comparisson to Henin is just simply ridiculous, it only shows how much trouble your fave is.

Singles carreers compared Henin is ahead in my book. 1 Title at the YEC, way more weeks at number one and 3 of 4 grand slams tops the 3 more GS runner up finishes, head to head and 1 more singles title. The rest is even with 6 grand slams each.

Spencercarlos arrives to congradulate Venus :aparty:

Highlandman
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:04 AM
When they all are fit I think Williams-Sisters + Henin are best players. Sharapova 4th. And in former times Hingis.

spencercarlos
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:06 AM
Varierty of grand slams means nothing unless you're discussing different surfaces. No player who's won the AO has ever had problems at the US Open. One AO and a US Open= two US Opens.
"One AO and a US Open= two US Opens."
This is pretty laughable.

Rebound ace and Decoturf are definetly different surfaces, even the players admit that.

That is like comparing red clay with green clay, an asume that it´s clay "ONLY" in the end.

Hingis for example has an amazing record at the Australian Open, and compared that to her Usopen record is VERY DISIMILAR. Count Pierce in there as well, Seles among many other great players able to adapt better to the surface down there in Australia.
Agassi for example is a Master in rebound ace, but not as bright at the Usopen, despite his many finals there. Sampras the contrary. These among many other examples.

Mikey B
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:13 AM
the way it says current player, to me means the player with the best form at the moment so in that case venus yes, but serena no! the best current players, at this time are probably venus and henin... serena hasnt done anything since miami, just had a run of quarter finals so i dont think she's counted on the list.. venus will have to do more in the rest of the year to be considered the best current player... like she said she peaks at wimbledon and serena peaks at the australian open...

but in who are the best current players in terms of slams, then obviously it is serena and venus... noone on the tour has as many slams as they do...

Rachel_
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:20 AM
Yes they are.

How many wta events do they play?
Err not many but outside RG when injury-free they are the favorites for every slam.

What does that tell you?

Alizé Molik
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:55 AM
On grass I think Venus is the best player in the world (as Marion said) no body has the reach, athleticism and just talent that Vee has on grass - she's amazing.

Serena is a threat in every tournament but I don't see her as as good a player personally, she hits the ball hard but has none of the grace or finesse of Venus. On top of that she is so inconsistant - injuries and complacency have followed her in her career.