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Jewelz
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:11 PM
I just noticed that Maria has lost to the eventual Wimbledon Champion three years in a row. I guess you have to beat Sharapova if you want to win the Wimby title nowdays LOL. Although I am no fan of Maria, I think that meeting all these grass court specialist(especially Venus) have been bad luck for her.

goldenlox
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:16 PM
Last year she played Flavia in round 4. In 2004 she played Frazier in round 4.
This was her first tough draw here.
Sharapova doesn't volley well. Doesn't hit many slices. Not a great mover.
Yet she probably will win Wimbledon again, maybe a few more times.

jmosh
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:21 PM
She has been really akward on the court. Her serve is really struggling, and once you get her on the run she is DONE. The Williams sisters are definitely in her head! She won't win another grand slam for a while!

ilovethewilliams
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Not sure why people keep thinking sharapova owns wimbledon just because she one it once. I would even first say Davenport owns wimbledon more that I would say sharapova owns it.. I mean, one year she won it.. "pigs were flying" the following years she's trounced.

sharapovarulz1
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:37 PM
She has been really akward on the court. Her serve is really struggling, and once you get her on the run she is DONE. The Williams sisters are definitely in her head! She won't win another grand slam for a while!

Yeah her serve has gone down hill of late, and her confidence has just vanished :(

I am a huge fan of hers but i don't believe she is going to end the year with a title! She needs to regroup go back to the drawing boards and come back bigger and better next year hopefully! :)

bunch_01
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:51 PM
When you reach the quarters or the semis you will face a "grass court specialist". I don't think Maria's draws have done her any favors. Better a tough fight in an early round than an easy run into a buzz saw.

heytennis
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:54 PM
Not sure why people keep thinking sharapova owns wimbledon just because she one it once. I would even first say Davenport owns wimbledon more that I would say sharapova owns it.. I mean, one year she won it.. "pigs were flying" the following years she's trounced.

She's been "trounced" once at Wimbledon.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:02 PM
She's been "trounced" once at Wimbledon.

make that twice....by Venus :angel:

heytennis
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:04 PM
make that twice....by Venus :angel:

Having a tiebreak in one of the sets isn't being trounced. Trounced is what Sequera was by Serena.

Kart
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:04 PM
Well Maria is a two time grand slam champion. It makes sense to me you'd need a top player to take her out in a major tournament like this.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:05 PM
Yeah her serve has gone down hill of late, and her confidence has just vanished :(

I am a huge fan of hers but i don't believe she is going to end the year with a title! She needs to regroup go back to the drawing boards and come back bigger and better next year hopefully! :)

I think she'll win one or two titles in summer and/or fall indoor...not a fan but not a hater either and I know she has pride like Serena so I highly doubt she will want to finish this season without a title...have faith....she's not losing to nobodies...she's losing to some of the best in the business ;)

heytennis
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:08 PM
To answer the OP, I think it's just that to win a grand slam you need to face at least one TOP player (multiple gs winner) .Venus faced Sharapova. In Paris, Henin faced Serena. Melbourne was Serena vs Sharapova.

goldenlox
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:12 PM
On grass, the top players are either inconsistent, injury prone or head cases. So just like 2004, Sharapova will get other good looks at winning Wimbledon.

Sefo
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:27 PM
To answer the OP, I think it's just that to win a grand slam you need to face at least one TOP player (multiple gs winner) .Venus faced Sharapova. In Paris, Henin faced Serena. Melbourne was Serena vs Sharapova.

Is this a rule? If a bunch of unseeded "Bartolies" would climb the rounds, there's possible for some players to meet them instead of the seeds they've beaten.

Thanx4nothin
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:36 PM
The Williams sisters can do everything Maria can do but they do everything that little bit better, apart from movement, in that category they destroy her. Henin is masterclass of technical perfection, and at 5ft 5 3/4 towers above Masha in most areas of the game. Mauresmo also and seemingly Ivanovic may have her number. People saying she needs to go back to the drawing boards are right, but she must be in despair because, in all honesty, i can't see that she is capable of adding much more to her game, she has actually regressed since 04-06. Mainly due to the injury i am sure, so she just needs to bounce back.

sharapovarulz1
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:08 PM
I think she'll win one or two titles in summer and/or fall indoor...not a fan but not a hater either and I know she has pride like Serena so I highly doubt she will want to finish this season without a title...have faith....she's not losing to nobodies...she's losing to some of the best in the business ;)

Thanks thats cheered me up :D

Jameka, Forever!
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:16 PM
I just noticed that Maria has lost to the eventual Wimbledon Champion three years in a row. I guess you have to beat Sharapova if you want to win the Wimby title nowdays LOL. Although I am no fan of Maria, I think that meeting all these grass court specialist(especially Venus) have been bad luck for her.

I'm willing to believe that future champions want mind walking over Sharapova to get the title.

Drake1980
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:46 PM
she's obviously really good on grass, no denying that.

Thanx4nothin
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:55 PM
I don't think she will go titleless this year for sure not, she has too much power, to much talent and above all too much stubborness and pride to allow that to happen.

rjd1111
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:06 AM
I just noticed that Maria has lost to the eventual Wimbledon Champion three years in a row. I guess you have to beat Sharapova if you want to win the Wimby title nowdays LOL. Although I am no fan of Maria, I think that meeting all these grass court specialist(especially Venus) have been bad luck for her.



She's also been losing on Clay and Hardcourts. The hype is

fading fast. They are starting to put top players on her

side of the draw instead of all cupcakes until the Semis.

Serena exposed her and the list of players taking advantage

is growing. If she had gotten by Venus, Ana, who has been thrashing

her lately, was waiting in the wings.

Her nicname of Semi-Pova may have to be downgraded.

jfaithfully
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:32 AM
maria needs to work on her game big time

iWill
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:51 AM
I'm not a big fan of Maria but I think people are overreacting a bit here I mean true enough she hasnt been playing her best really this year but she is losing to all really good players aside from her Istanbul loss which was on clay. She should bounce back for sure I dont think she'll win the USO this year but I do think she'll continue to remain consistent and go deep in almost every tourney she plays and prolly win a couple before the year is out not alot of players can intimidate her on the return like Venus and Serena have this year so I for sure won't say she is done but she needs to work on her movement alot more because if she could move like Venus she could afford to have her sreving woes like she is now

Bruno71
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:59 AM
If she had gotten by Venus, Ana, who has been thrashing

her lately, was waiting in the wings.

Her nicname of Semi-Pova may have to be downgraded.

I have a feeling Maria might've beaten Ana had she met her in the semis here. Ana didn't look totally comfortable on grass to me this tourney.

Shvedbarilescu
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:25 AM
The Williams sisters can do everything Maria can do but they do everything that little bit better, apart from movement, in that category they destroy her. Henin is masterclass of technical perfection, and at 5ft 5 3/4 towers above Masha in most areas of the game. Mauresmo also and seemingly Ivanovic may have her number. People saying she needs to go back to the drawing boards are right, but she must be in despair because, in all honesty, i can't see that she is capable of adding much more to her game, she has actually regressed since 04-06. Mainly due to the injury i am sure, so she just needs to bounce back.

I am not in anyway a Sharapova fan but couple of things do need to be pointed out. The Williams sisters current domination of Sharapova won't continue for too long. Why? Because Sharapova is still just 20 years old and Serena is almost 26 years old. Venus is 27. Age is very much on Sharapova's side and while right now the Williams sisters may have their number, age catches up with all players and 27, 28 years old is the age must players begin to decline. The same thing applies to Henin who while at bit younger than the Williams sisters probably only has another three years playing at the level she is right now. And Mauresmo? At 28 her best years are likely past her already.

I don't want to predict right here what Sharapova's career is going to look like. But for what will likely be the lionshare of her career her main rivals won't even be the Williams Sisters or Henin and certainly not Mauresmo. They will be players of her generation like Ivanovic, Vaidisova, Jankovic, Kuznetsova, Chakvetadze and other young players who have yet to fully emerge. How she manages to deal with these players will be revealed over time. But certainly Sharapova will need her shoulder to be in much better shape than it is now for those future battles just as she needs to get in better shape right now if she is going be able handle her current rivals.

Libra78
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:22 AM
I agree ChrisCHorse, but it's always possible that in the next years some new young players hit the ranking becaming new Sharapova's rivals...and Maria could also play worse than now...Previsions aren't easy to do.
Anyway, I really like Maria (but I hate her father;) )

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:24 AM
She lost to a zoning, peaking Venus Williams. There's no shame in that. She can hold her head high.

goldenlox
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:28 AM
Sharapova will be fine. She's already ahead of Justine in Wimbledon wins, and 1-0 h2h with Serena there. Only one behind Serena careerwise.
And Sharapova is just getting started.

Marshmallow
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:09 AM
Thanks thats cheered me up :D

Oh don't listen to HIM/HER. You'll only get your hopes up and will be in for a HUGE let down. She won't be winning any big titles this year i can guarantee it, not ones with decent players in them anyway. She couldn't even win Birmingham, or Istanbul - damn tier 3s. And after benefiting from top players playing poorly and cakewalk draws, the manner in which she's been beaten by mentally stable players. :sobbing: Brings a tear to my eye, and not ones of joy. How can i take pleasure out of her ANNIHILATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!! It's like scenes from an Abattoir. The way Venus trashed her. Life goes on eh.

But hang in there :D

Foxy
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:09 AM
First of all, no matter what Maria does, she won't run any faster. She isn't a true athlete. Her azz is slow. Lindsay was a great ball striker, but she was too slow and nothing she did made her run faster.

Have you noticed that Maria is sloop footed and there is nothing that would make her run faster. If that's the case, it doesn't take years to do so.

Maria and all the other RUSSIANS won their grand slams when Venus, Serena, Justine, and Kim was out on injury. That's just the facts. And yes, Maria did win the USO again when Venus, Serena, Justine, and Kim has come back from an injury. It takes time to build yourself back after an injury.

The facts of the matter is that nothing was wrong with Maria's serve like it was at the AO. Once again, MJF and other commentators kept ranting and raving about how her serve as good and how she was easily beating her opponents and how she was gonna take it to Venus.

Well Venus had to get all of her kinks out of her game during week one, then she peaked during week two and trounced over all of the other players.

But Brad Gilbert and Luke Jensen was right. Venus had her tough opponents and had to fight hard and get match tough for this first week. And Maria and the others had easy wins and everyone was saying how they were the favorites. But none of them had a challenge until they faced Venus.

And she beat the hell out of Maria. Then she beat Kutzie, and everyone else in her section of the draw.

Just face it, Maria is a ball basher, she's slow and she doesn't have a net game. When she lost to Serena, I gave her a little credit and said she played poorly because her serve was off and that's all Serena had to do was hit the second service cross court winner.

But there was nothing wrong with Maria when she faced Venus. In fact she was serving in the high 70's. Venus just whipped Maria and there was nothing she could do but take her azz beating. Venus whipped her when there was nothing wrong for her.

And for all of you who think these players are afraid or intimidated by the Williams sister is a lie. Justine proved that isn't true. They are not afraid of the sisters when they have trained and gotten themselves fit and beefed up their serves just to be able to compete against them.

Why would these girls spend a lifetime training to be afraid. No true athlete is afraid of an opponent. They are champions and winners too. You don't get there by being afraid of any opponent.

Venus and Serena will not will all of the Grand Slams, just like Maria, Justine, and the others won't. But I'll tell you what, they have a better chance against and injured Williams, or a Williams who is coming off the Injury List.

Venus is an athlete and she serves harder and hits harder than Maria. Venus' winners was just sailing past that girl. Venus just made her look like nothing.

Venus just transformed when she got on Center Court and she took them all down, one-by-one.

tennis_pIayer
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:30 AM
There is no way that Sharapova is 20. She's at least 2-3 years older than stated. Why? many players have commented on such.

plus, she's getting many serious injuries at 20, which is very very unlikely b/c these things only tend to happen with more years of playing. Plus the girl was 6-1 when she was "14". That's very hard to believe b/c i'm sure puberty doesn't hit THAT early.

GrandSlam05
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:38 AM
There is no way that Sharapova is 20. She's at least 2-3 years older than stated. Why? many players have commented on such.

plus, she's getting many serious injuries at 20, which is very very unlikely b/c these things only tend to happen with more years of playing. Plus the girl was 6-1 when she was "14". That's very hard to believe b/c i'm sure puberty doesn't hit THAT early.
That is not very likely. She was still growing in 2005. Not very likely for someone to still be growing in height at 20 years of age.

friendsita
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:45 AM
I agree ChrisCHorse, but it's always possible that in the next years some new young players hit the ranking becaming new Sharapova's rivals...and Maria could also play worse than now...Previsions aren't easy to do.
Anyway, I really like Maria (but I hate her father;) )

me too, I really hate her dad :help:

Zhao
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:51 AM
First of all, no matter what Maria does, she won't run any faster. She isn't a true athlete. Her azz is slow. Lindsay was a great ball striker, but she was too slow and nothing she did made her run faster.

Have you noticed that Maria is sloop footed and there is nothing that would make her run faster. If that's the case, it doesn't take years to do so.

Maria and all the other RUSSIANS won their grand slams when Venus, Serena, Justine, and Kim was out on injury. That's just the facts. And yes, Maria did win the USO again when Venus, Serena, Justine, and Kim has come back from an injury. It takes time to build yourself back after an injury.

The facts of the matter is that nothing was wrong with Maria's serve like it was at the AO. Once again, MJF and other commentators kept ranting and raving about how her serve as good and how she was easily beating her opponents and how she was gonna take it to Venus.

Well Venus had to get all of her kinks out of her game during week one, then she peaked during week two and trounced over all of the other players.

But Brad Gilbert and Luke Jensen was right. Venus had her tough opponents and had to fight hard and get match tough for this first week. And Maria and the others had easy wins and everyone was saying how they were the favorites. But none of them had a challenge until they faced Venus.

And she beat the hell out of Maria. Then she beat Kutzie, and everyone else in her section of the draw.

Just face it, Maria is a ball basher, she's slow and she doesn't have a net game. When she lost to Serena, I gave her a little credit and said she played poorly because her serve was off and that's all Serena had to do was hit the second service cross court winner.

But there was nothing wrong with Maria when she faced Venus. In fact she was serving in the high 70's. Venus just whipped Maria and there was nothing she could do but take her azz beating. Venus whipped her when there was nothing wrong for her.

And for all of you who think these players are afraid or intimidated by the Williams sister is a lie. Justine proved that isn't true. They are not afraid of the sisters when they have trained and gotten themselves fit and beefed up their serves just to be able to compete against them.

Why would these girls spend a lifetime training to be afraid. No true athlete is afraid of an opponent. They are champions and winners too. You don't get there by being afraid of any opponent.

Venus and Serena will not will all of the Grand Slams, just like Maria, Justine, and the others won't. But I'll tell you what, they have a better chance against and injured Williams, or a Williams who is coming off the Injury List.

Venus is an athlete and she serves harder and hits harder than Maria. Venus' winners was just sailing past that girl. Venus just made her look like nothing.

Venus just transformed when she got on Center Court and she took them all down, one-by-one.

i really like this post
thanks :) :yeah:

metamorpha
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:16 AM
I think Maria got speed, she can cover her court well if her opponents give her some drill session. Her match against Chaky in last AO proved that. However, since Chaky isn't a big hitter, she cannot end the points quickly before Maria could reach her balls.

Similar thing happened yesterday between Venus and Marion. Venus has longer reach and too agile, superb movement. Marion's balls were good, but not good enough to get past Venus. Credit to her though, making Venus' legs work hard. :lol:

So, when attacked with a big shot by aggressive player like Serena who's going for the lines, Maria is just the same or even worse than Hingis. Quickly becoming off-balance and can't recover to handle the next incoming attack... C'mon she got long legs and height, she should use her benefit to be more athletic.

ivanchow
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:49 PM
It seems the current seeding method has a major flaw...
Venus Williams (23) def. Marion Bartoli (18), 6-4, 6-1
A seed 23 vs a seed 18??
I think it should be a record low seeding in the final for Wimbledon, isn't it?
Look at Maria, she hasn't won a title this year and she's still #2 in the world??
That is a very strange rating system...

sharapovarulz1
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:51 PM
Oh don't listen to HIM/HER. You'll only get your hopes up and will be in for a HUGE let down. She won't be winning any big titles this year i can guarantee it, not ones with decent players in them anyway. She couldn't even win Birmingham, or Istanbul - damn tier 3s. And after benefiting from top players playing poorly and cakewalk draws, the manner in which she's been beaten by mentally stable players. :sobbing: Brings a tear to my eye, and not ones of joy. How can i take pleasure out of her ANNIHILATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!! It's like scenes from an Abattoir. The way Venus trashed her. Life goes on eh.

But hang in there :D

Typical :rolleyes:

sharapovarulz1
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:54 PM
There is no way that Sharapova is 20. She's at least 2-3 years older than stated. Why? many players have commented on such.

plus, she's getting many serious injuries at 20, which is very very unlikely b/c these things only tend to happen with more years of playing. Plus the girl was 6-1 when she was "14". That's very hard to believe b/c i'm sure puberty doesn't hit THAT early.

Wow I never knew so much crap could come out of one persons mouth:rolleyes:

And puberty can start as early as 12 in some girls it depends on how mature there bodys are you obviously didn't do any research before you opened your gob!

mankind
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:03 PM
6'1 at 14?? That is fucking mental.

mandynyuna
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:16 PM
How could she have been 6'1 at 14? You mean she didn't grow much from 14 to 17?? When she was 18 she grew tll 6'2 to 6'3 or something. Anyway she cant have been older than her age at that time....who the hell grows when she is 21/22 huh?

Dan23
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:28 PM
Love to see the vultures circling again as usual.
Such crap-stirrers as Marshmallow and rjd111! in another thread about Maria really make it one to read. :o


There is no way that Sharapova is 20. She's at least 2-3 years older than stated. Why? many players have commented on such.

plus, she's getting many serious injuries at 20, which is very very unlikely b/c these things only tend to happen with more years of playing. Plus the girl was 6-1 when she was "14". That's very hard to believe b/c i'm sure puberty doesn't hit THAT early.Cut the rubbish and get your facts straight. Maria was barely 6ft when she was 17.

Dan23
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:32 PM
Maria and all the other RUSSIANS won their grand slams when Venus, Serena, Justine, and Kim was out on injury. That's just the facts. And yes, Maria did win the USO again when Venus, Serena, Justine, and Kim has come back from an injury. It takes time to build yourself back after an injury.Maria doesnt get the same leeway? She has made the Final and SF of 2 slams this year while enduring an injury.

hablo
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:41 PM
Wow I never knew so much crap could come out of one persons mouth:rolleyes:

And puberty can start as early as 12 in some girls it depends on how mature there bodys are you obviously didn't do any research before you opened your gob!

And now it can start even at 9 years old for girls. :help:

Dan23
Jul 8th, 2007, 03:45 PM
....you obviously didn't do any research before you opened your gob!waaaay too much to ask for a high percentage of members here

watchdogfish
Jul 8th, 2007, 04:05 PM
There is no way that Sharapova is 20. She's at least 2-3 years older than stated. Why? many players have commented on such.

plus, she's getting many serious injuries at 20, which is very very unlikely b/c these things only tend to happen with more years of playing. Plus the girl was 6-1 when she was "14". That's very hard to believe b/c i'm sure puberty doesn't hit THAT early.

This must qualify for the most riduculous post of the year :worship:

Maria must've shrunk before she grew because I could've sworn she was listed at 5ft 8ins when she was 15/16 ;)

Thanx4nothin
Jul 8th, 2007, 10:31 PM
I am not in anyway a Sharapova fan but couple of things do need to be pointed out. The Williams sisters current domination of Sharapova won't continue for too long. Why? Because Sharapova is still just 20 years old and Serena is almost 26 years old. Venus is 27. Age is very much on Sharapova's side and while right now the Williams sisters may have their number, age catches up with all players and 27, 28 years old is the age must players begin to decline. The same thing applies to Henin who while at bit younger than the Williams sisters probably only has another three years playing at the level she is right now. And Mauresmo? At 28 her best years are likely past her already.

I don't want to predict right here what Sharapova's career is going to look like. But for what will likely be the lionshare of her career her main rivals won't even be the Williams Sisters or Henin and certainly not Mauresmo. They will be players of her generation like Ivanovic, Vaidisova, Jankovic, Kuznetsova, Chakvetadze and other young players who have yet to fully emerge. How she manages to deal with these players will be revealed over time. But certainly Sharapova will need her shoulder to be in much better shape than it is now for those future battles just as she needs to get in better shape right now if she is going be able handle her current rivals.


Age is no reflection of futurre level, Hingis peaked early...like Masha and had injuries like maria...now she loese to people she never would. So altohugh you said you didn't want to predict her future, you kinda did.

Shvedbarilescu
Jul 8th, 2007, 10:41 PM
Age is no reflection of futurre level, Hingis peaked early...like Masha and had injuries like maria...now she loese to people she never would. So altohugh you said you didn't want to predict her future, you kinda did.

I did? Please do tell what I predicted. All I believe I presumed was that she would still be active in the game for another ten or so years. Of course this might not be the case but that is the only presumption I made. I certainly made no predictions in regards to how much or how little success I expect her to have nor did I intend to because quite frankly I don't know.

SunriseSunset
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:31 PM
Not sure why people keep thinking sharapova owns wimbledon just because she one it once. I would even first say Davenport owns wimbledon more that I would say sharapova owns it.. I mean, one year she won it.. "pigs were flying" the following years she's trounced.

Agree with it all except the bit about Davenport, since I didn't really see her play.

Pova one it once and they suddenly hyped her up. She couldn't compete with the hype, and now she's had to come to terms with the fact that she isn't as good as she thinks she is. They made her appear to be perfect. Now everyone can see that's not true. She won it young, but I guess it's easy when you're new and there's no expectation. Just because someone does something once, it doesn't mean they can do it again.