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SunriseSunset
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:53 PM
Why did Tracey Austin feel the need to do that? Instead of accepting that Bartoli is a great player, and even if she doesn't move like Venus, she hits almost on the same level, and was MUCH better than Justine, that commentator had to bring up LAME excuses about Henin's exit:

1. It was windy
2. Serena tired her out
3. She was tired after the French Open

All of them are TERRIBLE excuses.

1. The wind didn't affect Justine for the first set AND it didn't affect Venus and all the other male players who won yesterday.
2. Serena had 2 injuries and barely hit the ball hard, so all Justine had to do was turn up.
3. Yes, Justine may be tired after the FO BUT Nadal and Federer and Ivanovic were also in the final and managed to get to this final just fine PLUS the men play out of 5 sets. PLUS Henin wasn't tired when she was winning against Bartoli, only when she started to lose?

She doesn't deserve to be no1 in my opinion. A true Champion, imo, would be graceful in defeat and accept that she was beaten. A true unbiased commentator would stop making crap excuses and keep bringing up a player who wasn't even playing on the day.

Just my opinion.

Rocketta
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:56 PM
not to defend Justine as I really don't like her but where has she "not accepted" defeat? :scratch:

Just because Tracy was giving up excuse after excuse means Justine has any responsibility for what she says. :confused:

ToeTag
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:57 PM
I'm glad I only have to endure Tracy during the US Open. I bet she mentioned Marion's "fitness" more then once during the final!?

SvetaPleaseWin.
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:57 PM
i agree-she should have won, she didnt play very well and looked kinda nervy out there. bartoli raised her game and deserved to win
if henin is going to say shes tired after going out of wimby every year then she shouldnt play eastbourne

SvetaPleaseWin.
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:57 PM
I'm glad I only have to endure Tracy during the US Open. I bet she mentioned Marion's "fitness" more then once during the final!?

just about every point :rolleyes: clearly it was a factor but you dont have to repeat the same shit again and again

hablo
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:59 PM
if henin is going to say shes tired after going out of wimby every year then she shouldnt play eastbourneExactly.
I even remember her coach saying that if JH reached the semis of RG that she would not play Eastbourne.
I wonder what happened? :tape:

*hingis_forever*
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:04 PM
She doesn't deserve to be no1 in my opinion. A true Champion, imo, would be graceful in defeat and accept that she was beaten.


Henin was graceful in defeat whether you wish to believe it or not. She had nothing but nice words for Bartoli and I don't think she made any excuses. Maybe if you got a brain and learned to read you'd realize that.

littlebin
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:05 PM
So why did Serena is not graceful in defeat and accept that she was beaten?
"I only play 40% ","All she did was just show up" , "She played her game of life ", "I did everything thing wrong" bra bra.

Bartoli's sensational win partly due to her great play, partly due to Justine dropped her level.

Justine did tired, her body is fragile, she had Virus in 2004. She cannot hit her favorite topspin backhand most of time in Bartoli's match. She had to use slice a lot, her forehand was also off.

Justine earned No.1 by herself, just like Serena earned a few years ago. She beat Serena twice this year.She also has the highest W/L ratio of the year. She definitely deserve to be no1 more than anybody else.

woosey
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:08 PM
tracy can't stop being who she is - an idiot.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:11 PM
hmm, she was telling it like it is. Justine was very clearly tired and her shots had barely anything on them. If you didn't see that, it's your own problem of being biased.

PLUS Henin wasn't tired when she was winning against Bartoli, only when she started to lose?

No she was visibly tired in the first set too. It looked like she was practising to me, cause she was spinning her forehands in and slicing her backhand. Marion was nervous but then upped her level in the 2nd and Justine struggled more.

woosey
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:16 PM
hmm, she was telling it like it is. Justine was very clearly tired and her shots had barely anything on them. If you didn't see that, it's your own problem of being biased.



No she was visibly tired in the first set too. It looked like she was practising to me, cause she was spinning her forehands in and slicing her backhand. Marion was nervous but then upped her level in the 2nd and Justine struggled more.

i'm sure marion, who is not as fit as henin, was also tired. she actually played more tennis than henin. :rolleyes: those my dear are the facts. so, i ask you to stop being biased.

Ackms421
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:17 PM
hmm, she was telling it like it is. Justine was very clearly tired and her shots had barely anything on them. If you didn't see that, it's your own problem of being biased.



No she was visibly tired in the first set too. It looked like she was practising to me, cause she was spinning her forehands in and slicing her backhand. Marion was nervous but then upped her level in the 2nd and Justine struggled more.

No, Henin doesn't ever hit her forehand hard and flat consistently. It's much improved, but it's always loopier than it needs to be on grass. As for her backhand, she was slicing it because she knew Bartoli's game and had determined that to be a good tactic. Read her post-match interview. She knew she could not take Bartoli lightly. Of course, she didn't play the match of her life, but if you have to do that to win, what happens on all the other days?

--steve

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:22 PM
i'm sure marion, who is not as fit as henin, was also tired. she actually played more tennis than henin. :rolleyes: those my dear are the facts. so, i ask you to stop being biased.

:rolleyes: Did Marion win RG? Did she win Eastbourn? I'm not comparing them, and it could be that Marion was tired. The point is that Justine was far below what she usually delivers because of her tiredness. Got it?

SunriseSunset
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:22 PM
So why did Serena is not graceful in defeat

Bartoli's sensational win partly due to her great play, partly due to Justine dropped her level.

Justine did tired, her body is fragile, she had Virus in 2004. She cannot hit her favorite topspin backhand most of time in Bartoli's match. She had to use slice a lot, her forehand was also off.


I'm not gonna comment on Serena. I think you're the first to mention her. I didn't mention her, so why should you? Are Serena and Justine married or something, so you mention one and have to mention the other too? Yeah Justine made mistakes, but that can't be excused- not at this level. The virus was in 2004, the semifinal was in 2007. I think she's had time to recover. Venus had an injury this yr, Serena had one this yr, Shrapova had one this yr and Mauresmo had surgery and still turned up. No excuse.

Henin was graceful in defeat whether you wish to believe it or not. She had nothing but nice words for Bartoli and I don't think she made any excuses. Maybe if you got a brain and learned to read you'd realize that.

Why resort to insulting me? You don't have to agree with my opinion. Just comment and go. Loser.

hmm, she was telling it like it is. Justine was very clearly tired and her shots had barely anything on them. If you didn't see that, it's your own problem of being biased. No she was visibly tired in the first set too. It looked like she was practising to me, cause she was spinning her forehands in and slicing her backhand. Marion was nervous but then upped her level in the 2nd and Justine struggled more.

Tracey Austin said she was tired, but McEnroe said "but she was winning 6-1, 4-3". If she was soooo tired, why was she making the shots at the beginning? That proves the excuse is terrible. Another one resorting to insults...why? Obviously because I've hit a soft spot. How sad for you.:sad:

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:24 PM
No, Henin doesn't ever hit her forehand hard and flat consistently. It's much improved, but it's always loopier than it needs to be on grass. As for her backhand, she was slicing it because she knew Bartoli's game and had determined that to be a good tactic. Read her post-match interview. She knew she could not take Bartoli lightly. Of course, she didn't play the match of her life, but if you have to do that to win, what happens on all the other days?

--steve

No. Justine consistently hits the forehand better than she did against Marion. It's not just the flatness, it usually has a lot more top spin it, and has more weight. Really, it was just way too obvious. As for the backhand, were you in her head? How do you know she was using it as a tactic? And obviously that couldn't be right, cause she was losing 4 0 in the last set and she was still using it. :lol: And I read her press conference, and she said she had nothing left in the third.

CORIA01
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:25 PM
Henin Was Gracious In Defeat
I Do Not See Your Point At All!

littlebin
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:25 PM
Justine played more tennis than Mario overall, 3 more (Qtr,Semi & F) in RG, 1 more in Eastbourne(F).

Those are the facts, I asked you to stop being biased.

i'm sure marion, who is not as fit as henin, was also tired. she actually played more tennis than henin. :rolleyes: those my dear are the facts. so, i ask you to stop being biased.

woosey
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:25 PM
:rolleyes: Did Marion win RG? Did she win Eastbourn? I'm not comparing them, and it could be that Marion was tired. The point is that Justine was far below what she usually delivers because of her tiredness. Got it?

hmm, she was telling it like it is. Justine was very clearly tired and her shots had barely anything on them. If you didn't see that, it's your own problem of being biased.



No she was visibly tired in the first set too. It looked like she was practising to me, cause she was spinning her forehands in and slicing her backhand. Marion was nervous but then upped her level in the 2nd and Justine struggled more.


why are you responding to yourself?

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:27 PM
Tracey Austin said she was tired, but McEnroe said "but she was winning 6-1, 4-3". If she was soooo tired, why was she making the shots at the beginning? That proves the excuse is terrible. Another one resorting to insults...why? Obviously because I've hit a soft spot. How sad for you.:sad:

geez. I see, you don't get it easily. She was playing tired tennis since the start of the match. Do I have to repeat again? And obviously you get more tired as the match goes on. Do I also have to say that again? As I said, anyone who follows Justine remotely can see that she was below par with her groundstrokes.

Now, I'm out of here.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:29 PM
why are you responding to yourself?

I meant to quote you.

woosey
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:30 PM
Justine played more tennis than Mario overall, 3 more (Qtr,Semi & F) in RG, 1 more in Eastbourne(F).

Those are the facts, I asked you to stop being biased.

first, i was talking about tennis at wimbledon.

second, it's not special or especially commendable or noteworthy to play one tournament and then the next. plus, she really didn't play that much during the claycourt season. there have been many people who've won the french and wimbledon back to back.

on top of all of that, if there was a chance that fatigue could be a problem, justine, being the professional she is, she have cut back on her schedule.

bottomline, henin lost because she collapsed mentally and because bartoli never gave in to the stature of the player across the net from her, or the occasion for that matter.

no excuses. justine was just beaten. period.

*hingis_forever*
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:35 PM
Why resort to insulting me? You don't have to agree with my opinion. Just comment and go. Loser.


But it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact that Henin was gracious in defeat. She didn't make excuses for her loss so maybe you shouldn't make excuses to hate her even more than you obviously do.

littlebin
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:44 PM
First of all, more tennis in Wimbledon doesn't make Bartoli tired than Justine, because Justine played more in RG & Eastbourne.

Secondly, there have not many people'v won French and Wimbledon, in Open era, only Graf and Serena.

Yes, Justine should cut back her schedule.

Bottomline, Justine lost partly due to Bartoli's great play, partly due to her tiredness. It is not a excuse.

first, i was talking about tennis at wimbledon.

second, it's not special or especially commendable or noteworthy to play one tournament and then the next. plus, she really didn't play that much during the claycourt season. there have been many people who've won the french and wimbledon back to back.

on top of all of that, if there was a chance that fatigue could be a problem, justine, being the professional she is, she have cut back on her schedule.

bottomline, henin lost because she collapsed mentally and because bartoli never gave in to the stature of the player across the net from her, or the occasion for that matter.

no excuses. justine was just beaten. period.

Marshmallow
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:49 PM
Henin MAY have been tired. Condisering she got 5 or 4 days off half way through (and most of her matches prior were VERY quick and comfortable), the extent of her exhaustion may be questionable, but there is no denying she was sub-par. Her forehand was OFF. I can't remember how many, but there were A LOT of errors on that side, and mis hits too.

I think something that is being down played though is her nerves. EVERYONE expect her to beat Bartoli, and when Marion started playing better, justine may have got tighter and obviously that affected her game. Not only was she making erors and miss-hitting, she she was sending the balls to Marion, allowing Marion to really dictate. The more opportunities she lost, the more nervous she got, and obviously the more tired she felt. When were are scared, tiredness follows. Ask Mauresmo, or Serena after wimbledon 2004.

Either way, makes Venus look even better. She handled her nerves WELL. She was expected to win, could have got real tight midway through the first set, but she held on and really saved Womens tennis. Marion... wimbledon champion!!!!!

Marshmallow
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:54 PM
First of all, more tennis in Wimbledon doesn't make Bartoli tired than Justine, because Justine played more in RG & Eastbourne.

Secondly, there have not many people'v won French and Wimbledon, in Open era, only Graf and Serena.

Yes, Justine should cut back her schedule.

Bottomline, Justine lost partly due to Bartoli's great play, partly due to her tiredness. It is not a excuse.

Marion did play Quarters of RG, Birmingham and Eastbourne. Just before the FO she also played Strasbourg. Not taking anything from anyones post, but i think Marion should be tested for banned substances. Her father was a GP he must have access. Her cholesterol must be through the roof, and she seemed so fresh... there has to be a reasonable explanation for what could have been the darkest day in Tennis. :tape:

Tennisaddict
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:57 PM
To be honest Tracy Austin is the one who wasn´t crediting Bartoli much and making up excuses for Henin.
Henin herself was full of praise for Bartoli.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:59 PM
Henin MAY have been tired. Condisering she got 5 or 4 days off half way through (and most of her matches prior were VERY quick and comfortable), the extent of her exhaustion may be questionable, but there is no denying she was sub-par. Her forehand was OFF. I can't remember how many, but there were A LOT of errors on that side, and mis hits too.

I think something that is being down played though is her nerves. EVERYONE expect her to beat Bartoli, and when Marion started playing better, justine may have got tighter and obviously that affected her game. Not only was she making erors and miss-hitting, she she was sending the balls to Marion, allowing Marion to really dictate. The more opportunities she lost, the more nervous she got, and obviously the more tired she felt. When were are scared, tiredness follows. Ask Mauresmo, or Serena after wimbledon 2004.

Either way, makes Venus look even better. She handled her nerves WELL. She was expected to win, could have got real tight midway through the first set, but she held on and really saved Womens tennis. Marion... wimbledon champion!!!!!


ah, finally some common sense in this thread.

I agree that it's a bit surprising for Justien to be tired considering that she had the best of luck when it comes to rain. I definitely think she shouldn't be tired even though she played RG and Eastbourn. But I think when it comes to the match, I noticed from the very first game that she wasn't putting a lot on her shots, and then I thought she was probably conserving energy for her match against Venus. Having seen her in all her previous matches this Wimby, she was playing attacking tennis from the start, going right from the return. But then she continued slicing the backhand so much (I don't remember ever seing her slicing it this much) and her forehand still had very little on it, when she was down in the 2nd. So there must have been something wrong with her. She mentioned somewhere in her press conference after the Serena match that she isn't sure whether her body will hold up till the end, and she will know whether playing Eastbourn was the right decision at the end of the week. So I think there were already signals before the match that she wasn't confident about her physical condition.

hablo
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:01 PM
Marion did play Quarters of RG, Birmingham and Eastbourne. Just before the FO she also played Strasbourg. Not taking anything from anyones post, but i think Marion should be tested for banned substances. Her father was a GP he must have access. Her cholesterol must be through the roof, and she seemed so fresh... there has to be a reasonable explanation for what could have been the darkest day in Tennis. :tape:

What a disappointing post from you.
You don't think she gets tested?

terjw
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:03 PM
Why did Tracey Austin feel the need to do that? Instead of accepting that Bartoli is a great player, and even if she doesn't move like Venus, she hits almost on the same level, and was MUCH better than Justine, that commentator had to bring up LAME excuses about Henin's exit:

1. It was windy
2. Serena tired her out
3. She was tired after the French Open

All of them are TERRIBLE excuses.

1. The wind didn't affect Justine for the first set AND it didn't affect Venus and all the other male players who won yesterday.
2. Serena had 2 injuries and barely hit the ball hard, so all Justine had to do was turn up.
3. Yes, Justine may be tired after the FO BUT Nadal and Federer and Ivanovic were also in the final and managed to get to this final just fine PLUS the men play out of 5 sets. PLUS Henin wasn't tired when she was winning against Bartoli, only when she started to lose?

She doesn't deserve to be no1 in my opinion. A true Champion, imo, would be graceful in defeat and accept that she was beaten. A true unbiased commentator would stop making crap excuses and keep bringing up a player who wasn't even playing on the day.

Just my opinion.

Bla bla yes it is your opinion - And thank heavens we get Tracy commenting and not you.

I thought her commentary was fine (though I'd have liked the BBC to have got Europsport's Jo Durie or Sam Smith instead).

Talking about crap and excuses - look at yourself. Making up an excuse for Serena when she didn't even play Marion or Venus. Well you've got to bring Serena's name in somehow - but what sort of hypocritical comment is that. And at least Tracy doesn't come out with bullshit about players not deserving to be #1. And what did Justine say or do that she wasn't graceful in defeat or accept she was beaten? Link please.

Ackms421
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:07 PM
No. Justine consistently hits the forehand better than she did against Marion. It's not just the flatness, it usually has a lot more top spin it, and has more weight. Really, it was just way too obvious. As for the backhand, were you in her head? How do you know she was using it as a tactic? And obviously that couldn't be right, cause she was losing 4 0 in the last set and she was still using it. :lol: And I read her press conference, and she said she had nothing left in the third.

No, actually she said she didn't feel fresh enough to compete with Marion in the third, big difference. She said all credit to Marion and she said she deserved to be there. She also said she doesn't know what happened.

All idicative of a player who was outplayed.

I'm not in her head, but she was slicing it short, like people used to do to Seles. Theoretically a good tactic against a slow baseliner who is weak at net. Her familiarness with Bartoli's "fighting spirit" suggested to me that she had studied for the match and decided to slice.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:20 PM
No, actually she said she didn't feel fresh enough to compete with Marion in the third, big difference. She said all credit to Marion and she said she deserved to be there. She also said she doesn't know what happened.

All idicative of a player who was outplayed.

I'm not in her head, but she was slicing it short, like people used to do to Seles. Theoretically a good tactic against a slow baseliner who is weak at net. Her familiarness with Bartoli's "fighting spirit" suggested to me that she had studied for the match and decided to slice.

It's true, she said this "I didn't feel fresh enough in the third set to compete with her." It's still indicative that she wasn't in a good physical condition.

FOr her slicing, I would probably accept this theory if she actually started using her top spin more at the end. But it wasn't the case. She was badly losing and she was still slicing right to Bartoli, giving her time to make her shots. Sp no, I definitely don't think she did it just as a tactic, especially that it was out of line with her game. She really NEVER slices this much.

Anyway, I'm not gonna argue my point further. All I can say is watch her previous matches in Wimbledon. She was never this passive. That's just not the way she plays grass court tennis. She puts pressure right on from the return. Having closely followed Justine, this isn't the first time that she physically looks out of source. I dunno if you watched her IW semifinal last year against Dementieva, there also, she had very little on her shots. It's not an excuse really cause after all physical condition is a very important part of the game. It's still a fact though IMO that Justine wasn't good physically and that her baseline game was sub-par. This is a problem that she had for some time in her career, especially since last year, where she just runs out of gas at the end of tournaments. Her biggest mistake was to play Eastbourn.

littlebin
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:20 PM
Isn't "didn't feel fresh" indicate "tired"?

She also said "I lost a lot of energy in the last few weeks. I played a lot. My match against Serena also has been very tough mentally, emotionally. It was hard for me to be at my best today. It's the kind of things that can happen."

No, actually she said she didn't feel fresh enough to compete with Marion in the third, big difference. She said all credit to Marion and she said she deserved to be there. She also said she doesn't know what happened.

All idicative of a player who was outplayed.

I'm not in her head, but she was slicing it short, like people used to do to Seles. Theoretically a good tactic against a slow baseliner who is weak at net. Her familiarness with Bartoli's "fighting spirit" suggested to me that she had studied for the match and decided to slice.

DavidEllul
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:42 PM
Why did Tracey Austin feel the need to do that? Instead of accepting that Bartoli is a great player, and even if she doesn't move like Venus, she hits almost on the same level, and was MUCH better than Justine, that commentator had to bring up LAME excuses about Henin's exit:

1. It was windy
2. Serena tired her out
3. She was tired after the French Open

All of them are TERRIBLE excuses.

1. The wind didn't affect Justine for the first set AND it didn't affect Venus and all the other male players who won yesterday.
2. Serena had 2 injuries and barely hit the ball hard, so all Justine had to do was turn up.
3. Yes, Justine may be tired after the FO BUT Nadal and Federer and Ivanovic were also in the final and managed to get to this final just fine PLUS the men play out of 5 sets. PLUS Henin wasn't tired when she was winning against Bartoli, only when she started to lose?

She doesn't deserve to be no1 in my opinion. A true Champion, imo, would be graceful in defeat and accept that she was beaten. A true unbiased commentator would stop making crap excuses and keep bringing up a player who wasn't even playing on the day.

Just my opinion.


What's wrong with you?
What did she say after the match which made u think she was not graceful?

Ackms421
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:49 PM
It's true, she said this "I didn't feel fresh enough in the third set to compete with her." It's still indicative that she wasn't in a good physical condition.

FOr her slicing, I would probably accept this theory if she actually started using her top spin more at the end. But it wasn't the case. She was badly losing and she was still slicing right to Bartoli, giving her time to make her shots. Sp no, I definitely don't think she did it just as a tactic, especially that it was out of line with her game. She really NEVER slices this much.

Anyway, I'm not gonna argue my point further. All I can say is watch her previous matches in Wimbledon. She was never this passive. That's just not the way she plays grass court tennis. She puts pressure right on from the return. Having closely followed Justine, this isn't the first time that she physically looks out of source. I dunno if you watched her IW semifinal last year against Dementieva, there also, she had very little on her shots. It's not an excuse really cause after all physical condition is a very important part of the game. It's still a fact though IMO that Justine wasn't good physically and that her baseline game was sub-par. This is a problem that she had for some time in her career, especially since last year, where she just runs out of gas at the end of tournaments. Her biggest mistake was to play Eastbourn.

I certainly agree that she did not play her best, but on the continuum of your play being weak and your opponents play being strong, I think Bartoli had a lot more to do with it than some people believe. I think Henin would have beaten a lot of people still, playing at the level that she played. She didn't play all that much better against Serena in the quarter.

And, I don't see why she would have sliced if she was tired. She didn't mention any kind of hand or wrist injury, so why would she have been slicing? I dunno. Perhaps, though Bartoli handled the slice well, Henin thought she'd handle the topspin even better.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:14 PM
I certainly agree that she did not play her best, but on the continuum of your play being weak and your opponents play being strong, I think Bartoli had a lot more to do with it than some people believe. I think Henin would have beaten a lot of people still, playing at the level that she played. She didn't play all that much better against Serena in the quarter.

And, I don't see why she would have sliced if she was tired. She didn't mention any kind of hand or wrist injury, so why would she have been slicing? I dunno. Perhaps, though Bartoli handled the slice well, Henin thought she'd handle the topspin even better.

She definitely played FAR better against Serena. Her serve was off, but her groundstrokes had MUCH MUCH more on them. Hell, she was attacking Serena's second serve (arguably the best second serve in the game) and she couldn't attack Marion's second. She would slice if she was tired because obviously the top spin takes a lot more energy. Very few women play the one hander top spin to start with (especially the way she plays it), because it needs a lot of shoulder rotation, a lot of power in the legs, and her movement has to be spot on cause she'd mishit it otherwise (which she did plenty on her forehand). I think anyone in the top 10 would have had a very good chance of beating her. She played a Sugiama type game without even the same speed and with less accuracy. She didn't reach the final last year or the semi this year playing passive tennis like this, and getting the ball in court (while missing tons of other shots too). Still I do think a big factor was that she met a woman who was totally on that day.

Marshmallow
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:38 PM
What a disappointing post from you.
You don't think she gets tested?

lol Oh Habsy chill. I was joking. :D

DA FOREHAND
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:45 PM
hmm, she was telling it like it is. Justine was very clearly tired and her shots had barely anything on them. If you didn't see that, it's your own problem of being biased.



No she was visibly tired in the first set too. It looked like she was practising to me, cause she was spinning her forehands in and slicing her backhand. Marion was nervous but then upped her level in the 2nd and Justine struggled more.



Being tired is a lame ass excuse for losing a match! That's a fitness or scheduling issue that should be addressed. Almost all the players that reach the second week of a slam are tired, and a little banged up. Venus played four days in a row, she was prepared to play and win seven matches, which is one of the reasons she captured her fourth Wimbledon title.


"I can be tired tomorrow" -Venus Williams 1997 Miami

Kart
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:57 PM
She doesn't deserve to be no1 in my opinion. A true Champion, imo, would be graceful in defeat and accept that she was beaten. A true unbiased commentator would stop making crap excuses and keep bringing up a player who wasn't even playing on the day.

Just my opinion.

Well as someone else that heard her make those comments, my opinion is that Tracey Austin demonstrates considerably more objectivity in what she says than you have in here about her.

She demonstrated a great deal of respect for Bartoli in her commentary today.

treufreund
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:54 AM
These are the facts:

What Tracey said is valid. Tracey should give Marion more credit. Marion outplayed Justine. Justine should have used MORE slice and TOUCH shots. Marion wanted it more and was better. Marion was tired so was Justine. Justine was mentally exhausted. Justine was VERY GRACIOUS in defeat. both girls are awesome. Tracy's opinions have nothing to do with Justine.

Those were the facts. All the rest is hating.

Conor
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:04 AM
Justine was out of sorts the whole match, even in the 1st set. She was barely hitting the ball, Bartoli was just too nervous at the start. Once Bartoli got into it that was it. What Tracey was saying obviously does have some truth in it. You dont go from beating Serena to playing that poorly in a slam semi without some reasoning behind it. Perhaps she was tired? Winning the French, winning Eastbourne, 3 setter against Serena... its not unreasonable surely? But thats her own fault. She needs to find away of being fresher for the 2nd week of Wimbledon. I think its safe to say Justine was far from her best level, she went defensive. That you cannot do on a grass court when your opponent is playing the match of her life...

littlebin
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:10 AM
So why you keep defending Williams and find LAME excuses in every of their losses?

Why did Tracey Austin feel the need to do that? Instead of accepting that Bartoli is a great player, and even if she doesn't move like Venus, she hits almost on the same level, and was MUCH better than Justine, that commentator had to bring up LAME excuses about Henin's exit:

Bruno71
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:13 AM
Justine never looked completely right the whole tournament to me. Her play in the early round victories were generally more positive than negative, but that obviously had to do with the level of her competition. She looked extremely shaky against an injured Serena who would've had her for dinner otherwise. She looked like she was going through the motions in the 1st set against Bartoli. But she didn't look tired at that point to me.

Bartoli came out of the blocks slow and then worked her way VERY QUICKLY into her game after the beginning of the 2nd set. She gives her opponent absolutely NO RHYTHM, and makes few errors while hitting ferocious shots in long rallies. Justine was completely unprepared for this (i.e. she thought Bartoli would go down easily and didn't have much of a gameplan). In the 3rd set, Justine looked fatigued, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was equally mental as it was physical.

She was completely gracious in defeat.

iWill
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:17 AM
So why did Serena is not graceful in defeat and accept that she was beaten?
"I only play 40% ","All she did was just show up" , "She played her game of life ", "I did everything thing wrong" bra bra.

Bartoli's sensational win partly due to her great play, partly due to Justine dropped her level.

Justine did tired, her body is fragile, she had Virus in 2004. She cannot hit her favorite topspin backhand most of time in Bartoli's match. She had to use slice a lot, her forehand was also off.

Justine earned No.1 by herself, just like Serena earned a few years ago. She beat Serena twice this year.She also has the highest W/L ratio of the year. She definitely deserve to be no1 more than anybody else.

Why did u feel the need to bring Serena into this argument.... AGAIN..... whatever just cuz someone thinks she doesnt deserve to be number 1 doesnt mean its gonna happen so relax

Petersmiler
Jul 8th, 2007, 10:48 AM
Some people are still a little bitter over the qf defeat.

Please provide the link to Justine being ungracious.

If you can't, then let it go. Tracy Austin is not Justine Henin.

Melly Flew Us
Jul 8th, 2007, 10:59 AM
the debate is irrelevant. justine lost and marion won. and tracy austin is a neek.

moby
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:12 AM
Exactly.
I even remember her coach saying that if JH reached the semis of RG that she would not play Eastbourne.
I wonder what happened? :tape:Her coach told her not to play, but she insisted on playing it. That girl is insecure. Someone needs to remind her that she has 3 titles on grass and 5 SF or better performances at Wimbledon. It's not like she's hopeless on the surface. :rolleyes:

Yes, Justine was tired. Has been since the first round, and it obviously got more prominent throughout the course of the tournament. After the Serena match, she said almost portentously, "Will I be fresh enough to go to the end? We'll know in a few days."

No, Justine did not use fatigue as an excuse for her loss, although it would have been valid IMO. In fact, she admitted to not having any solutions against Marion's game. That's about as big a compliment you can pay, and without the asteism that so often accompanies compliments in the WTA too.

Mightymirza
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:45 AM
Welljustine was classy enough in her post match interview..Dint give anyof these excuses..:lol: None of I was only at 10 percent crap :lol: thegirl knows how to give credit!

Mikey B
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:21 PM
yeh i didnt like that... bartoli won fair and square, there's no excuse for her losing... just shows that they didnt really think bartoli should have been in the final...

Kunal
Jul 8th, 2007, 12:59 PM
whatever.......call a spade a spade for crying out loud

Morrissey
Jul 8th, 2007, 01:34 PM
Tracy Austin is a racist and a loser. I think Tracy has proven many times her racial bias against the Williams Sisters. It doesn't matter what Tracy says Venus won Wimbledon FOUR TIMES and Justine has ZERO Wimbledon titles. Its not Venus or Bartoli's fault that Justine choked. Now that's Justine's problem and something she needs to deal with. Its the second time this year Justine has choked in a big match.

gotthebend
Jul 8th, 2007, 05:29 PM
Why does Tracy Austin's remarks have to do with Henin?
I doubt Henin even knows Austin made excuses for her defeat.:confused:

Bartoli outplayed Henin in SF.
If Tracy Austin finds it hard to accetpt Henin's lose,
It's her problem, not Henin's.