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Yonexforever
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:37 AM
Come on... no one has mentioned what a choke this was?
Bartoli is a decent enough player i guess, but she has NOTHING on paper to hurt Justine.
Just a couple of days ago they were proclaiming Justine the toughest athlete in ALL of sports?
EXCUUUUUSE MOI?

kiwifan
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:40 AM
Not a choke, just a HUGE upset.

Justine didn't crack under pressure while up break points or match points she just got beat. :shrug:

iWill
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:41 AM
Yeah I was thinking about taking time to say how Henin ruined a possible all Williams final cuz Serena wouldnt've choked like that against a player but then i thought " now that would be just rude" but I obviously didnt care cuz i posted this anyway LOL i'm sorry but when I saw the result I laughed for a good 5 mins I can't believe she lost honestly but hey its not as easy to close out any player to get to a GS final I'm sure

eck
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:42 AM
She just ran out of steam.
She's working the hardest for the last 6 weeks.
Give her a break.

Not a choke, just a HUGE upset.

Justine didn't crack under pressure while up break points or match points she just got beat.

Not entirely true either.
She was 5/5 for conversion, and then that's when it stopped.

Bartoli played great, only because Justine was doing the wrong thing.

iWill
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:42 AM
Not a choke, just a HUGE upset.

Justine didn't crack under pressure while up break points or match points she just got beat. :shrug:

Considering all the talk from Justine fans a efw days ago isnt it worst that she didnt choke but " just got beat"

Mateo Mathieu
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:43 AM
Justine didn't choke... she simply crushed by a dominate Marion. And Justine didn't played her best form doesn't mean she choked.

GrandSlam05
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:43 AM
Of the clips I saw, Bartoli was going for big shots AND making them happen. I mean what can Justine do on grass when someone is just playing out of their mind?

Yonexforever
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:47 AM
Of the clips I saw, Bartoli was going for big shots AND making them happen. I mean what can Justine do on grass when someone is just playing out of their mind?

Justine can ask to see her pee.............
Im not saying anything, but i'm just saying....

homogenius
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:51 AM
Come on... no one has mentioned what a choke this was?
Bartoli is a decent enough player i guess, but she has NOTHING on paper to hurt Justine.
Just a couple of days ago they were proclaiming Justine the toughest athlete in ALL of sports?
EXCUUUUUSE MOI?

Matches are not played on paper but on a tennis court.Bartoli was just too good.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:53 AM
Of the clips I saw, Bartoli was going for big shots AND making them happen. I mean what can Justine do on grass when someone is just playing out of their mind?

Justine is usually aggressive on grass. She sliced the big majority of her backhands. Since when does she do that? Her forehand had barely anything on it.

I agree with the thread starter that Bartoli isn't that special. she's not even that much of a hard hitter. She caught today a very weak Justine, and definitely took the opportunity.

Alizé Molik
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:54 AM
When a big player like Juju looses unexpectedly its not automatically a choke, Henin never had the big opportunties to waste or choke away in the second or third set - her problem was that she had underestimated Marion's ability to adapt to her strategies just like she did against Jankovic. Players think Marion will be slow so they won't have to do much - Henin relied too much on her slices and Bartoli started taking them earlier and exploiting Justine's weak forehand.

True Justine didn't play her top top match (but this is W not RG anyway) but it doesn't mean that Marion didn't deserve to win - how many players do you know that could hold their nerve so perfectly in Marion's position?

asiandude
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:54 AM
if sharapova was beaten by unknown out side top 20, people here would demand she should retire.

GrandSlam05
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:57 AM
Justine is usually aggressive on grass. She sliced the big majority of her backhands. Since when does she do that? Her forehand had barely anything on it.

I agree with the thread starter that Bartoli isn't that special. she's not even that much of a hard hitter. She caught today a very weak Justine, and definitely took the opportunity.
:( Unfortunately I didn't get to see the match b/c of NBC. But yeah for Marion to give Justine a breadstick, something had to be wrong. I'm not saying a hot Marion can't take a set off Justine, but for Justine to only hold serve once, well, that says something about Justine's game. But like you said, Bartoli took adavantage and kudos to her for that. We've seen so many other players not take advantage when given the opportunity to beat a top player.

thomas.chung
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:58 AM
Yes, I do agree that Bartoli caught Justine at her weakest time in the past 6 weeks. But as I've always put it, you got to have the guts, the power, the skills to put out an opponent as competitive as Justine. Same goes for everything in life, you are always given opportunity, but you got to have the "stuff" to take advantage of it. So hats off to Marion on her win, and she deserves 100% of the credits for this performance. Same deal goes to the Serena / Justine match the other day.

kiwifan
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:58 AM
Let me preface this post with, I've always liked Justine (just not as much as my faves) and I never really watched much of Bartoli before seeing highlights of her beating Jelena :lol:

Considering all the talk from Justine fans a efw days ago isnt it worst that she didnt choke but " just got beat"

Actually to be honest...

...yes, a choke is preferred over a "just got beat"...

...for me if you choked it means that everyone watching knows that you should have one that match on that day and the other player was lucky to survive your meltdown...

...I didn't see a meltdown and Marion wasn't lucky...

...my favorite old southern saying is "you have to bring ass to kick ass"...

...loose translation, "in competition there is always the chance that you will be the loser"

Most people knew that Marion's ass was available for kicking but they forgot that Justine's tiny ass was on the court too and today it was quite kickable. :lol:

Alizé Molik
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:04 AM
I agree with the thread starter that Bartoli isn't that special. she's not even that much of a hard hitter. She caught today a very weak Justine, and definitely took the opportunity.

so it's a bad thing that she took that opportunity? I don't see why Henin couldn't have won other than the fact that Bartoli outplayed her.


if sharapova was beaten by unknown out side top 20, people here would demand she should retire.

Marion is number 19 (#18 seed) and she's won three titles :rolleyes:

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:08 AM
so it's a bad thing that she took that opportunity? I don't see why Henin couldn't have won other than the fact that Bartoli outplayed her.





Definitely not. All credit to her. It still took a gutsy performance to move Justine from one corner to the other and finish the match. However, I'm not gonna act like Justine played on par with what she usually delivers.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:14 AM
:( Unfortunately I didn't get to see the match b/c of NBC. But yeah for Marion to give Justine a breadstick, something had to be wrong. I'm not saying a hot Marion can't take a set off Justine, but for Justine to only hold serve once, well, that says something about Justine's game. But like you said, Bartoli took adavantage and kudos to her for that. We've seen so many other players not take advantage when given the opportunity to beat a top player.

Yeah. Actually even in the first set, I thought Justine was saving energy for her match against Venus and was practising her slice. :lol: Then when she got down in the second set and nothing changed, I knew she was in trouble. Her shoulder rotation seemed at times surprisingly slow and nothing was coming from the forehand.

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:16 AM
It wasn't so much a choke as a hostile take over.

PamShriverRockz
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:20 AM
Justine didn't choke.

Maybe she underestimated Marion's resolve and determination - like most of us here! Marion completely outplayed her in the end.

meyerpl
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:27 AM
Nothing in the match suggests a choke or that Justine had any problem. It just goes to show....any given player on any given day can beat any opponent. It's sports. They're all capable of hitting a groove and running off a string of wins.

Personally, I've never been particularly fond of Marion's game, but I'm extremely happy for her. She must be on cloud nine. Part of me wants to see her win the whole thing.

Onyxangel
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:31 AM
Does anybody here watch basketball? When the other team is simply making everything they shoot, it doesn't matter if you have all the best players in the world on your team... you lose.

From the end of the second set on, Marion simply didn't miss, despite the fact that her shot selection was not easy...

Venus fans beware... this girl CAN beat Venus...

aussie_fan
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:45 AM
It really wasn't that big of a choke, justine just wasn't playing up to the standard that she should of. I've seen much bigger chokes this tournament.

littlebin
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:57 AM
Justine is tired, her body can not sustain RG + Eastbourne + Wimbeldon. She had no much energy to hit her usual top-spin or flat backhand, and used slice a lot. Her forehand was also off. She gave Bartoli too many opportunities while waste so many BP.

Bartoli is the better player today. Credit to her.

hingisGOAT
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:01 AM
LMAO. I like Justine, I really do. I defend her sometimes. I think her game is awesome, as is her work ethic.

But she was never all that close to winning, and when Bartoli went into her zone, well, she never left. Justine was rushed and never given an opportunity to get back into the match. No choke :shrug:

Mileen
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:35 AM
:( Unfortunately I didn't get to see the match b/c of NBC. But yeah for Marion to give Justine a breadstick, something had to be wrong. I'm not saying a hot Marion can't take a set off Justine, but for Justine to only hold serve once, well, that says something about Justine's game. But like you said, Bartoli took adavantage and kudos to her for that. We've seen so many other players not take advantage when given the opportunity to beat a top player.

Yes, Justine had a total off day. She seemed very tired and had totally lost it. Everything she tried failed, not even her backhands were working. Right before the match, in her prematch interview, she looked very pale and tired to me, the very moment I saw her I got worried.

Mileen
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:51 AM
Justine didn't choke.

Maybe she underestimated Marion's resolve and determination - like most of us here! Marion completely outplayed her in the end.

If anyone didn't underestimate Marion, it was Justine. Including her determination. Justine's said she knows Marion's personality and knew she wouldn't be afraid to finish off the match. Also, Justine was the one who kept saying she might be the favorite on paper, but on court it's different, it would be a tough match, that had to be played point per point.

A Magicman
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:01 AM
Yeah I was thinking about taking time to say how Henin ruined a possible all Williams final cuz Serena wouldnt've choked like that against a player

It's not Justine who ruined it - it's Serena. All she needed to do is win.

Chrissie-fan
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:05 AM
I don't think that this was a case of Henin choking although she definitely ran out of steam. But from the end of the second set onwards Bartoli was totally in the zone and didn't miss a ball. Most surprising thing was that Bartoli managed to keep it going. Even when it was 4-0 in the third I still expected Henin to come back and end up winning. But we didn't get Marion's version of Shakin' Stevens, which is what usually happens when a player gets in a winning position against one of the big names. So, kudos to Bartoli for an impressive match. As for Henin, sure it's a disappointing loss but imagine Jankovic doing the exact same thing that Bartoli did to Justine, and it doesn't look nearly as bad a loss for her. There's no shame in losing to someone that produced the quality of tennis that Justine was up against. What makes it look worse than it really was-was the name of the opponent that produced it. Even so, from her perspective Henin should have won in two sets. But that's competition, if everything would always happen according to logic there would be no point in playing.

Demska
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:06 AM
I'm guessing you haven't watched the match.

bandabou
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:09 AM
Justine was tired?? Makes you wonder...when did the tiredness first come into play? 'cause in first set when she was winning, didn't see any tiredness..or was it after she missed those two bp's in the eleventh game?

Ballbasher
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:09 AM
Now she has done two things the season #1 before Wimbledon) never archieved in her entire career a win over Justine anda GS Final :)

sharapovarulz1
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:12 AM
It was never Justine choking it was simply that Marion just blocked her out of the game!

Petersmiler
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:12 AM
I don't think Justine choked, Marion just played better on the day.

bobcat
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:18 AM
I'd have to say there was definitely something the matter with Justine at the end because she didn't seem to moving to the ball well and was often catching it late, resulting in a lot of mishits. Marion was fantastic, though. She takes the ball so early and changes the direction of the ball as well as anyone can. And what an incredible first serve percentage. 91% first serves in in the final set is unbelievable! Even though she didn't hit aces her serve was hard to attack, although I think Venus should be able to handle it.

Sefo
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:24 AM
I T.... W A S N ' T..... C H O K E ... !!!

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:35 AM
This was a big choke but it still doesent beat the choke from her Belgium sister Kim Clijsters at the Australian in the Semi against Serena.......when she served 5-1 in the final set...Serena should not have won that game lol.....I STILL dont see how she came back and WON...WHAT? Kim's choke was so bad you could see fear in her face..(her bottom jaw was trembling) Thats is going to be the biggest choke in WTA history to me lol

A'DAM
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:36 AM
Come on... no one has mentioned what a choke this was?
Bartoli is a decent enough player i guess, but she has NOTHING on paper to hurt Justine.
Just a couple of days ago they were proclaiming Justine the toughest athlete in ALL of sports?
EXCUUUUUSE MOI?


You are so full of shit man!!!

"has nothing on paper" since when paper plays tennis!!!

Marion played outstanding tennis and Justine had nothing to say! That wasnt a choke she was simply outplayed! Live with that :o

Lapin
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:28 AM
I'm not sure that Justine choked. Marion played superbly and maybe Justine underestimated her a little and didn't focus 100% until it was a bit too late and she suddenly realised she could lose the match... :confused:

Sefo
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:36 AM
The simple proof that it wasn't a choke, is that Justine found a crack and won the before-last game of the match. Some folks need to go back to the tennis dictionary.

Thanx4nothin
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:57 AM
Not a choke, just more sour grapes, she was outplayed.

Monica_Rules
Jul 7th, 2007, 12:24 PM
Marion just outplayed her, deal with it.

SOmeone sais Justine wasn't moving well. She seemed to be moving fine to be getting balls back time and time again but Mrions always came up with the winning shot.

Sammy 4 eva!!!
Jul 7th, 2007, 12:40 PM
Bartoli was the better player PERIOD!

Hashim.
Jul 7th, 2007, 12:43 PM
it was a choke she was leading two times..in the 2nd

Conor
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:13 PM
It wasn't a choke... she took her foot off at the start of the 2nd and Marion took her chance... its not as if she served for the match :rolleyes:

Serena!
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:22 PM
Justine did choke. Number one player in the world up 6-1 and serving at 4-3.
She should've closed it out. I think this match showed some vulnerability, the kind that richard williams was talking about from Justine.

ico4498
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:30 PM
"choke" has got to be the most misunderstood term in sports.

Lulu.
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:31 PM
She didn't choke she just got outplayed

nhissan
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:31 PM
yep it's not a choke it's an upset

hablo
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:11 PM
Justine didn't choke! (she was hoping Marion would though.)
From the second set on, she was just outplayed and dominated from the baseline
and looked stunned by the way Marion was playing.

I rank this as a HUGE upset.

And Marion seems to be a good tactician as wall. She's not just a brainless ballbasher imo.