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judie
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:54 AM
This year and last year were her biggest chances, but she blew them It's like martina in the 1997 and 1999 French Opens.

Bruno71
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:58 AM
Fine, but do we really need another thread about this?

wtatennisballer
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:00 AM
Henin will still win somethin. The US OPEN .

eck
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:58 AM
Ok.

Rolling-Thunder
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:01 AM
I can't see Henin winning any other Slam than the French provided a number of the power girls are around for the 2nd week. She doesn't have Kimmie or Capriati to choke away their finals. This was her very best chance. She blew it. Sorry I believe this was her last chance. It was the perfect storm and she defied the odds and lost.

She and Carlos had better start having coaching allowed on court and at the Grand Slams.

eck
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:05 AM
What she blew was playing the freaking pre-GS tournament.
She had to deal with Serena at FO and Serena was hitting the ball equally hard.

She had to deal with Davenport at USOpen2006 and her arm was sore there too.
She never really had problems with Davenport's hard hitting till that day.

Donny
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:11 AM
Her chances are slipping away. Given that her movement, her biggest asset, isn't going to be around forever, coupled with her bad luck with illnesses and injury, and the fact that grass is her worst surface... She really has only a few more years.

And if they are going to increase the speed of grass, like people have been talking about, then her chances go from slim to slimmer. She hasn't won a tier one or higher on fast courts in several years, if I'm not mistaken.

eck
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:15 AM
Her chances are slipping away. Given that her movement, her biggest asset, isn't going to be around forever, coupled with her bad luck with illnesses and injury, and the fact that grass is her worst surface... She really has only a few more years.

And if they are going to increase the speed of grass, like people have been talking about, then her chances go from slim to slimmer. She hasn't won a tier one or higher on fast courts in several years, if I'm not mistaken.

She hasn't won a Tier 1 since 2005 Berlin :o

Bruno71
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:21 AM
She hasn't won a Tier 1 since 2005 Berlin :o

I think she'll take a YEC & a couple of slams over another Berlin-esque title.

AnnaK_4ever
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:26 AM
I can't see Henin winning any other Slam than the French provided a number of the power girls are around for the 2nd week. She doesn't have Kimmie or Capriati to choke away their finals.

Capriati is 3-0 in GS finals :weirdo:

Donny
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:29 AM
I think she'll take a YEC & a couple of slams over another Berlin-esque title.

Two slams which aren't on fast surfaces.

And the YEC, while a good indicator of how you match up with top players, isn't really indicative of slam success, imo. Bartoli wouldn't even have qualified for the YEC.

From 2005-06, when Serena and Venus had mediocre or dismal results, they still managed to have a better fast court record than Henin, by winning the AO and Wimbledon, respectively.

eck
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:29 AM
I think she'll take a YEC & a couple of slams over another Berlin-esque title.

True, she's been winning that more and Tier 2's over Tier 1.
However it's weird how she hasn't been winning Tier 1.
Matches she should have won, thrown away.

Bruno71
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:19 AM
Two slams which aren't on fast surfaces.

And the YEC, while a good indicator of how you match up with top players, isn't really indicative of slam success, imo. Bartoli wouldn't even have qualified for the YEC.

From 2005-06, when Serena and Venus had mediocre or dismal results, they still managed to have a better fast court record than Henin, by winning the AO and Wimbledon, respectively.

And Henin has a much better slow court record, at least as far as the French goes. So?

Donny
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:27 AM
And Henin has a much better slow court record, at least as far as the French goes. So?

If this was a thread discussing Serena's chances of winning RG again, then this would be a very valid point. But the thread was focusing on Henin's chances of winning Wimbledon.

Henin hasn't won a major fast court tournament in years. To assume that she'd be able to pull it off after her peak is kind of wishful thinking. Especially when she has the two best fast court players since Graf (Venus and Serena) competing with her. And her peak isn't going to last much longer.

Bruno71
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:32 AM
If this was a thread discussing Serena's chances of winning RG again, then this would be a very valid point. But the thread was focusing on Henin's chances of winning Wimbledon.

Henin hasn't won a major fast court tournament in years. To assume that she'd be able to pull it off after her peak is kind of wishful thinking. Especially when she has the two best fast court players since Graf (Venus and Serena) competing with her. And her peak isn't going to last much longer.

True but the post of mine you responded to was just talking about Justine's lack of Tier I titles on all surfaces in the past 2 years. Someone veered off the thread topic a bit, but I never claimed anything about Justine's chances at Wimbledon (at least not in this thread).

GrandSlam05
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:36 AM
If this was a thread discussing Serena's chances of winning RG again, then this would be a very valid point. But the thread was focusing on Henin's chances of winning Wimbledon.

Henin hasn't won a major fast court tournament in years. To assume that she'd be able to pull it off after her peak is kind of wishful thinking. Especially when she has the two best fast court players since Graf (Venus and Serena) competing with her. And her peak isn't going to last much longer.

Honestly, what is your evidence for this? She gets major injuries FAR LESS than Venus and Serena. Venus and Serena could be sent out of tennis due to injuries long before Justine if things continue as they are now.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:47 AM
Her biggest problem with Wimbledon is that her gas tank begins to get empty in the second week. Last year, it held on until the final, though her form started declining since the 4th round. This year, the same thing happened, as she delivered quite a mediocre performance against Schnyder in the 4th round, and then the Serena match took everything she had left. Today, there was just nothing on her shots. She was slicing the backhand and rolling the forehand in.

I think the key is to miss Eastbourn and settle for a 2 week break after RG. It might be risky cause she wouldn't be very confident in the first round, but it's better than letting her tank empty by the second week.

eck
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:51 AM
Carlos said no to Eastbourne.
Guess what Justine said? :o

GrandSlam05
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:52 AM
Her biggest problem with Wimbledon is that her gas tank begins to get empty in the second week. Last year, it held on until the final, though her form started declining since the 4th round. This year, the same thing happened, as she delivered quite a mediocre performance against Schnyder in the 4th round, and then the Serena match took everything she had left. Today, there was just nothing on her shots. She was slicing the backhand and rolling the forehand in.

I think the key is to miss Eastbourn and settle for a 2 week break after RG. It might be risky cause she wouldn't be very confident in the first round, but it's better than letting her tank empty by the second week.
ITA. I think she got scared after losing 1r in 2005 and decided to start playing a warm up. However, that was just a bad luck of the draw getting a hot Danilidou 1r. Usually she bullshit her way through the first week, but that time she was rusty and got a good grass court player 1r. If Justine's ranking is high, IMO she doesn't need a grass warm up these days. I think it would help her endurance tremendously if she took that 2 week break. She can find her form as she goes through the draw and be totally fresh for the 2nd week.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:55 AM
ITA. I think she got scared after losing 1r in 2005 and decided to start playing a warm up. However, that was just a bad luck of the draw getting a hot Danilidou 1r. Usually she bullshit her way through the first week, but that time she was rusty and got a good grass court player 1r. If Justine's ranking is high, IMO she doesn't need a grass warm up these days. I think it would help her endurance tremendously if she took that 2 week break. She can find her form as she goes through the draw and be totally fresh for the 2nd week.

Yes exactly. She should have the enough confidence now on grass to miss warm up tournaments.

iWill
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:56 AM
Her biggest problem with Wimbledon is that her gas tank begins to get empty in the second week. Last year, it held on until the final, though her form started declining since the 4th round. This year, the same thing happened, as she delivered quite a mediocre performance against Schnyder in the 4th round, and then the Serena match took everything she had left. Today, there was just nothing on her shots. She was slicing the backhand and rolling the forehand in.

I think the key is to miss Eastbourn and settle for a 2 week break after RG. It might be risky cause she wouldn't be very confident in the first round, but it's better than letting her tank empty by the second week.

It'll be a little too risky on grass she can do that before the OZ Open and US Open but she isnt that good on grass without match practice last time she tried that she lost in the first round to a player I havent even heard from since her game from clay to grass isnt as smooth of a transistion as she makes it look she has to work for it to come that naturally

i too feel like she missed a GREAT chance this year she'll have other opportunities just none as good as she got this year she was fortunate to only see Serena prior to the final with Amelie Vee and Maria all on the bottom half but I doubt it'll be like that again

GrandSlam05
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:05 AM
It'll be a little too risky on grass she can do that before the OZ Open and US Open but she isnt that good on grass without match practice last time she tried that she lost in the first round to a player I havent even heard from since her game from clay to grass isnt as smooth of a transistion as she makes it look she has to work for it to come that naturally

i too feel like she missed a GREAT chance this year she'll have other opportunities just none as good as she got this year she was fortunate to only see Serena prior to the final with Amelie Vee and Maria all on the bottom half but I doubt it'll be like that again
Danilidou's favorite surface is grass, and on her day, she is really good on it. Justine just got a REALLY tough 1r that year.

PamShriverRockz
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:15 AM
She'll have a couple more chances, but whether she'll have such a good chance/draw again is doubtful...Pre Wimby I really thought she'd win it this year.

iWill
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:25 AM
Danilidou's favorite surface is grass, and on her day, she is really good on it. Justine just got a REALLY tough 1r that year.

oh ok well all that being said I still don't think her grass court confidence is as high as people are trying to give her credit for even now if she was that confident she wouldn't have looked so terrified in the third set when Serena was trying to make a comeback shes good on grass just not great yet I think she needs the warmup to mentally prepare and if she cant even handle a player like Danilidou in the first round how can people think she'll be Vee or Maria in the latter rounds with no warm up or Serena (again)

GrandSlam05
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:31 AM
oh ok well all that being said I still don't think her grass court confidence is as high as people are trying to give her credit for even now if she was that confident she wouldn't have looked so terrified in the third set when Serena was trying to make a comeback shes good on grass just not great yet I think she needs the warmup to mentally prepare and if she cant even handle a player like Danilidou in the first round how can people think she'll be Vee or Maria in the latter rounds with no warm up or Serena (again)
Justine (just like Venus or Serena) is usually most vulnerable EARLY in a major.
I mean that's like saying if Venus can't even handle a player like Pironkova 1r then how can she handle Sharapova, for instance. The champs usually get better the deeper they go. So take 'em out early is usually the best bet.
But I agree with you that her confidence is not as good on grass as it is on hard (and certainly not clay). I mean she shouldn't be cocky, but by no means should she be timid on grass. It's not like we're talking about Hingis here.
I don't know what the key is for her confidence on grass. I don't think it's a warm up tournament though. She did that the last two years and it gave her two frustrating Wimbledon losses to ponder.
Maybe she should play Birmingham and then take off the week before Wimbledon? I honestly don't know the answer.

Michael_21
Jul 7th, 2007, 05:46 AM
i think that was defenatly her best chance of winning wimbledon so its gonna be tought for her to win it now

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:00 AM
This was definitely her last best chance.

It's pretty clear that the likes of Ivanovic, Vaidisova and now, I suppose, Bartoli :lol: are gaining INVALUABLE slam experience this year and are going to be ready to TRULY compete for slam titles next year. This means less room for Juju. And if Sharapova gets her act back together there's another girl she may have to deal with on grass. And provided Serena and Venus are healthy and good to go... :scared: I believe she let her best chance get away from her.

meyerpl
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:02 AM
Never say never. Never!

Brooks.
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:02 AM
Justine hasn't won a slam other than the French Open since the start of 2004...over three years

to me ...that says a lot

Cashif
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:11 AM
Thank you for enlightening us with your intelligence and thoughts:)

Alla Luce
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:20 AM
I think she will. She has the game to win it. Perhaps she should forgo a tune up tournament just like the Williams sisters do.

kosmikgroove
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:51 AM
Justine hasn't won a slam other than the French Open since the start of 2004...over three years

to me ...that says a lot

it says she is amazing at RG! :worship:

moby
Jul 7th, 2007, 06:51 AM
Justine hasn't won a slam other than the French Open since the start of 2004...over three years

to me ...that says a lotSerena hasn't won a slam other than the Australian Open since 2003.

Venus hasn't won a slam other than Wimbledon since 2001.

Only Amelie has won slams on two different surfaces in recent years. So? Does that make her the greatest player of this generation?

Maybe Justine will never win Wimbledon. Who knows? But it would be careless and callous to suggest that she won't be a threat whenever she plays.

saki
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:04 AM
Serena hasn't won a slam other than the Australian Open since 2003.

Venus hasn't won a slam other than Wimbledon since 2001.

Only Amelie has won slams on two different surfaces in recent years. So? Does that make her the greatest player of this generation?

Maybe Justine will never win Wimbledon. Who knows? But it would be careless and callous to suggest that she won't be a threat whenever she plays.

Maria has also won two on two different surfaces - assuming that you count 2004 as recent.

It's interesting, though, to realise that the top players have been more specialist surface players than in previous eras.

Bruno71
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:16 AM
I think she will. She has the game to win it. Perhaps she should forgo a tune up tournament just like the Williams sisters do.

The grass court formula needs tinkering. She should try anything at this point, including skipping Eastbourne.

moby
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:19 AM
Maria has also won two on two different surfaces - assuming that you count 2004 as recent.Apparently 2004 doesn't count. If not, Justine has won two on different surfaces too.

DimaDinosaur
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:25 AM
yeah, it's true, but it's okay. she has 6 slams and billions of fans and money. her dreams have already came true. everything else is icing on the cake! :worship: