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Zweli
Jul 7th, 2007, 12:52 AM
Were there to be a contest to find the worst male player to have won Wimbledon in the past 30 years,Michael Stich would challenge hard for the honour.All I can remember about his 1991 triumph is that he beat Stefan Edberg in the semis without once breaking his serve; and then didn't so much win the final as have it handed to him on a platter by a bewilderingly out of -sorts Boris Becker,who spent the match ranting on the baseline after the fashion of Freddie Starr's Fuhrer impersonation.

That was Herr Stich's only Grand Slam singles title,but it was enough to establish him as a perennial member of the radio 5 Live commentary team,where he is joined by his chief rival for that Worst Champion laurel in the revoltingly sour and tidious shape of Australia's Pat Cash.

It is from this vantage point that Herr Stich saw fit to question the honesty of a player infinitely greater than himself,accusing Serena Williams of exaggerating an injury during her thrillingly unlikely win over Daniela Hantuchova.
Miss Williams, to recap briefly,collapsed in screaming agony with cramp(her calf muscle,according to Annabel Croft, stuck out from the leg by two inches) before somehow recovering after a rain delay to take the deciding set.
Herr Stich and others have questioned how Serena contrived to hop up and down on the injured leg in frustration. Not being a physiotherapist I cannot say, but I do know after any severe attack of cramp pain persists for many hours.I also know that,during a long career, Serena has shown no signs of being a cheat.
Far from it,both Williams girls have always been models of sportswomanship on court,and paragons of charm,wit,and amiable good grace off it.And yet for some curious reason there is far less respect and affection for these splendid young women,despite the shocking murder of their sister,than for the hatchet-faced Justine Henin.
At the French Open,where the crowds are notoriously poisonous ,we can put this down to semi-overt racism of the kind at which the French excel,but at Wimbledon we might charitably ascribe it to their lacking the daintiness those ineffabbly Home Counties audiences prefer.They are big,powerful women who like to bludgeon opponents, and to some their style is aesthetically displeasing.
To me , they are goddesses not merely in name because they, uniquely , can win major titles even when out of condition and form.Wildly overweight,and sporting a pair of breasts that could have streched in opposite directions across the Pacific to suckle Peru and Hawaaii simultaneously,Serena stormed to the Australian Open title in January.
Two years after unexpectedly wining her third Wimbledon,meanwhile,Venus is closing in on an even more outlandish fourth having entered the tournament with no form whatever.
She is moving and playing marvelously.The emergence of these wondrous sisters as world numbers one and two, under their father Richard's eccentric but brilliant tutelage, remains one of the sport's most uplifting stories,and their continuing ability to challenge for titles,despite having outside interests in film and fashion,only inflates the legend.
If and when Venus has upheld the family's honour in the final,I will look forward to live footage of her ascending to the radio 5 box and inserting the championship plate as far as she can up the first arrogant,misogynitic German arse she encounters.

WHAT A LOVELY ARTICLE BY MATTHEW NORMAN FROM THE EVENING STANDARD.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jul 7th, 2007, 12:55 AM
nice read :yeah:

edificio
Jul 7th, 2007, 12:56 AM
Par for the Evening Standard course. Some very coarse writing there. Blecch.

mykarma
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:05 AM
Were there to be a contest to find the worst male player to have won Wimbledon in the past 30 years,Michael Stich would challenge hard for the honour.All I can remember about his 1991 triumph is that he beat Stefan Edberg in the semis without once breaking his serve; and then didn't so much win the final as have it handed to him on a platter by a bewilderingly out of -sorts Boris Becker,who spent the match ranting on the baseline after the fashion of Freddie Starr's Fuhrer impersonation.

That was Herr Stich's only Grand Slam singles title,but it was enough to establish him as a perennial member of the radio 5 Live commentary team,where he is joined by his chief rival for that Worst Champion laurel in the revoltingly sour and tidious shape of Australia's Pat Cash.

It is from this vantage point that Herr Stich saw fit to question the honesty of a player infinitely greater than himself,accusing Serena Williams of exaggerating an injury during her thrillingly unlikely win over Daniela Hantuchova.
Miss Williams, to recap briefly,collapsed in screaming agony with cramp(her calf muscle,according to Annabel Croft, stuck out from the leg by two inches) before somehow recovering after a rain delay to take the deciding set.
Herr Stich and others have questioned how Serena contrived to hop up and down on the injured leg in frustration. Not being a physiotherapist I cannot say, but I do know after any severe attack of cramp pain persists for many hours.I also know that,during a long career, Serena has shown no signs of being a cheat.
Far from it,both Williams girls have always been models of sportswomanship on court,and paragons of charm,wit,and amiable good grace off it.And yet for some curious reason there is far less respect and affection for these splendid young women,despite the shocking murder of their sister,than for the hatchet-faced Justine Henin.
At the French Open,where the crowds are notoriously poisonous ,we can put this down to semi-overt racism of the kind at which the French excel,but at Wimbledon we might charitably ascribe it to their lacking the daintiness those ineffabbly Home Counties audiences prefer.They are big,powerful women who like to bludgeon opponents, and to some their style is aesthetically displeasing.
To me , they are goddesses not merely in name because they, uniquely , can win major titles even when out of condition and form.Wildly overweight,and sporting a pair of breasts that could have streched in opposite directions across the Pacific to suckle Peru and Hawaaii simultaneously,Serena stormed to the Australian Open title in January.
Two years after unexpectedly wining her third Wimbledon,meanwhile,Venus is closing in on an even more outlandish fourth having entered the tournament with no form whatever.
She is moving and playing marvelously.The emergence of these wondrous sisters as world numbers one and two, under their father Richard's eccentric but brilliant tutelage, remains one of the sport's most uplifting stories,and their continuing ability to challenge for titles,despite having outside interests in film and fashion,only inflates the legend.
If and when Venus has upheld the family's honour in the final,I will look forward to live footage of her ascending to the radio 5 box and inserting the championship plate as far as she can up the first arrogant,misogynitic German arse she encounters.

WHAT A LOVELY ARTICLE BY MATTHEW NORMAN FROM THE EVENING STANDARD.
What kind of paper is the Evening Standard? I was with him until he called Justine hatched-faced. Not very professional imo.

Pureracket
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:06 AM
WOW! Interesting article.

canoe.
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:11 AM
sporting a pair of breasts that could have streched in opposite directions across the Pacific to suckle Peru and Hawaaii simultaneously,
:rolls: :lol: :lol: :D

Corswandt
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:21 AM
At the French Open,where the crowds are notoriously poisonous ,we can put this down to semi-overt racism of the kind at which the French excel

Just to quote this. No further comments are needed.

Kim-the-bomb
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:29 PM
If I remember well, it was Pete Sampras himself who once said: "If everyone is playing their best tennis, Michael Stich is the best of us all."
So to indicate that Stich is the worst Wimbledon Champ ever is simply ridiculous and stupid. If you ever saw him playing you would know that he was a extremely talented player and totally deserved the title.

GoDominique
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:33 PM
Pathetic article. It is wrong on so many levels that I won't even begin to point them all out.

Gotta give Pureracket credit though for posting the somewhat neutral "WOW! Interesting article." instead of ":worship::worship::worship:". Well done on avoiding this pitfall.
mrserenawilliams however proves that he is an idiot.

Babolatpro880
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:35 PM
The article is pretty disgusting. No semi-self respecting news source would ever publish it.

Rocketta
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:38 PM
Ok, I'm all for defending my girls but come on......no need to call names to defend them. The mud slung at them is usually indefensable so the last thing professional journalist need to do is wallow in the same mud. :rolleyes:

mankind
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:39 PM
:bs:

supergrunt
Jul 8th, 2007, 02:55 PM
:eek: It's good to see that all journalists/commentators are anti-Williams.

Orion
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:06 PM
How off base can you be? Everyone knows Ivanisevic was the worst player to win Wimbledon in the past 30 years. A serve and a smile, that's all he had.

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:08 PM
How off base can you be? Everyone knows Ivanisevic was the worst player to win Wimbledon in the past 30 years. A serve and a smile, that's all he had.

Because its not like he made the final 4 times.......?

Pureracket
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:08 PM
Pathetic article. It is wrong on so many levels that I won't even begin to point them all out.

Gotta give Pureracket credit though for posting the somewhat neutral "WOW! Interesting article." instead of ":worship::worship::worship:". Well done on avoiding this pitfall.
mrserenawilliams however proves that he is an idiot.It's ok to want a piece.

Orion
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:30 PM
Because its not like he made the final 4 times.......?

If you had a 140 mph serve and could make it to the net, you would have reached the Wimbledon final 4 times in the 90's. That's the fastest the court ever played, before the Wimbledon people realized that they had been passed by the racquet technology.

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:36 PM
If you had a 140 mph serve and could make it to the net, you would have reached the Wimbledon final 4 times in the 90's. That's the fastest the court ever played, before the Wimbledon people realized that they had been passed by the racquet technology.

So are you taking away from Sampras' 7 wimbledon titles as well? (cause i agree with that)

terjw
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Were there to be a contest to find the worst male player to have won Wimbledon in the past 30 years,Michael Stich would challenge hard for the honour.All I can remember about his 1991 triumph is that he beat Stefan Edberg in the semis without once breaking his serve; and then didn't so much win the final as have it handed to him on a platter by a bewilderingly out of -sorts Boris Becker,who spent the match ranting on the baseline after the fashion of Freddie Starr's Fuhrer impersonation.

That was Herr Stich's only Grand Slam singles title,but it was enough to establish him as a perennial member of the radio 5 Live commentary team,where he is joined by his chief rival for that Worst Champion laurel in the revoltingly sour and tidious shape of Australia's Pat Cash.

...



I gave up reading any more after your drivel denigrating Stich, Becker and Cash. Without reading any more I'd trust what these former players say more than you.

Rocketta
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:44 PM
I gave up reading any more after your drivel denigrating Stich, Becker and Cash. Without reading any more I'd trust what these former players say more than you.

um, maybe you should read more....because the poster didn't write it. :tape:

terjw
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:51 PM
um, maybe you should read more....because the poster didn't write it. :tape:

I know - but I couldn't be bothered wading through any more of the rubbish from the thread starter at the beginning to actually get to where the article actually started.

MistyGrey
Jul 8th, 2007, 06:57 PM
That was a disgusting,hateful and childish article. Whatever happened to the freedom of speech? He was just saying what he had on his mind, he was doing his job. Yes he was probably wrong, but no need for name calling. Tennis parents have said lots of worse things and they get away with it. Besides, Stich is not the only one, David Mercer said something similar the other day.
Worst Wimbledon champion, whatever... he is still a Wimbledon Champion. Got to the final of 3 majors, was ranked inside the top 3. His opinion certainly means a lot more than the writer's does.

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2007, 07:03 PM
At the French Open,where the crowds are notoriously poisonous ,we can put this down to semi-overt racism of the kind at which the French excel,but at Wimbledon we might charitably ascribe it to their lacking the daintiness those ineffabbly Home Counties audiences prefer.

:rolls: How can anyone take this article seriously?

rjd1111
Jul 8th, 2007, 07:10 PM
If I remember well, it was Pete Sampras himself who once said: "If everyone is playing their best tennis, Michael Stich is the best of us all."
So to indicate that Stich is the worst Wimbledon Champ ever is simply ridiculous and stupid. If you ever saw him playing you would know that he was a extremely talented player and totally deserved the title.

Only One

Rocketta
Jul 8th, 2007, 07:15 PM
I know - but I couldn't be bothered wading through any more of the rubbish from the thread starter at the beginning to actually get to where the article actually started.

maybe, I'm missing something but the entire post is an article and not the post starters words? :scratch:

Orion
Jul 8th, 2007, 07:16 PM
So are you taking away from Sampras' 7 wimbledon titles as well? (cause i agree with that)

Totally. If you put Sampras into today's game, on today's grass courts, he wouldn't do nearly as well. In contrast, I think Federer has a sufficient serve (speed and placement) that he would have succeeded back then.

I also think Venus would have won Wimbledon more times than now if she had played the same number of times, from 88 through 98.

Steffica Greles
Jul 8th, 2007, 07:33 PM
I don't think Serena was faking injury.

But then again, that's because it doesn't surprise me. The girl is clearly not in the best of shape. How overweight she is, is anybody's guess; personally I think it's only 7-10lbs. And she is phenomenal enough to win slams in less than optimum condition, which is why she's convinced that she's at her fittest level.

But anybody knows that Serena is not in her best shape, and tearing over the court as she does, she is going to sustain injuries frequently until she loses the weight which is pressurising her bones. And sustain injuries frequently she has done.

"My name is Serena and I'm carrying too much weight" <round of applause>. It's nothing to be ashamed of -- say it, Serena!

And then do something about it.

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 07:45 PM
I don't think Serena was faking injury.

But then again, that's because it doesn't surprise me. The girl is clearly not in the best of shape. How overweight she is, is anybody's guess; personally I think it's only 7-10lbs. And she is phenomenal enough to win slams in less than optimimum condition, which is why she's convinced that she's at her fittest level.

But anybody knows that Serena is not in her best shape, and tearing over the court as she does, she is going to sustain injuries frequently until she loses the weight which is pressurising her bones. And sustain injuries frequently she has done.

"My name is Serena and I'm carrying too much weight" <round of applause>. It's nothing to be ashamed of -- say it, Serena!

And then do something about it.

I'd say shes 15-20 over, but much better than at the AO....where she was prolly 40-45

Ceri
Jul 8th, 2007, 07:57 PM
The Evening Standard is a notoriously deadbeat paper - the English one is at any rate. I might agree with the writer's sentiments but as usual negative sensationalism rules the roost in terms of the writing style Norman adopts.

Donny
Jul 8th, 2007, 07:59 PM
So are you taking away from Sampras' 7 wimbledon titles as well? (cause i agree with that)

Sampras' first serve (the one that really matters in serve and vbolley matches0 isn't the best of the 90's, imo. Rusedski, Arthurs, Goran, Kracijeck, and yes, Stich, all had better first serves. Sampras' titles are a result of his amazing second serve, his athleticism, his groundstrokes, and his great net game.

There's a reason why he made it to the semis of the FO, while Stich didn't.

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2007, 08:03 PM
Sampras' first serve (the one that really matters in serve and vbolley matches0 isn't the best of the 90's, imo. Rusedski, Arthurs, Goran, Kracijeck, and yes, Stich, all had better first serves. Sampras' titles are a result of his amazing second serve, his athleticism, his groundstrokes, and his great net game.

There's a reason why he made it to the semis of the FO, while Stich didn't.

Didn't Stich make it to the final of FO and lost to Kafelnikov? :shrug:

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Sampras' first serve (the one that really matters in serve and vbolley matches0 isn't the best of the 90's, imo. Rusedski, Arthurs, Goran, Kracijeck, and yes, Stich, all had better first serves. Sampras' titles are a result of his amazing second serve, his athleticism, his groundstrokes, and his great net game.

There's a reason why he made it to the semis of the FO, while Stich didn't.

Goran made the quaters at the french 3 times and both Pete's and Goran's other appearances at the french were sub par...... Im just saying to call Goran the worst Wimbledon champion ever has no merit considering he made it to the final 4 times. and then to reitterate that anyone with a serve can do it, basically speaks to Sampras.

Flightspeed
Jul 8th, 2007, 08:07 PM
Didn't Stich make it to the final of FO and lost to Kafelnikov? :shrug:

yup, he was in the final against Kafelnikov at RG

Tennisaddict
Jul 8th, 2007, 09:23 PM
At first I tought this article was fake. But it is real. How can a journalist be allowed to write such a biased insulting piece :rolleyes: I guess professionalism doesn´t mean much to the writer.

GoDominique
Jul 8th, 2007, 09:37 PM
maybe, I'm missing something but the entire post is an article and not the post starters words? :scratch:
Well what about his "WHAT A LOVELY ARTICLE" comment at the end hmmm? :scratch: :weirdo:

Donny
Jul 8th, 2007, 09:41 PM
Didn't Stich make it to the final of FO and lost to Kafelnikov? :shrug:

You're right, my mistake. I confused him with Rusedski for a moment. European players from the nineties tend to bleed together for me.

#1SteffiGraf#1
Jul 8th, 2007, 09:45 PM
At the French Open,where the crowds are notoriously poisonous ,we can put this down to semi-overt racism of the kind at which the French excel,but at Wimbledon we might charitably ascribe it to their lacking the daintiness those ineffabbly Home Counties audiences prefer.They are big,powerful women who like to bludgeon opponents, and to some their style is aesthetically displeasing.
To me , they are goddesses not merely in name because they, uniquely , can win major titles even when out of condition and form.Wildly overweight,and sporting a pair of breasts that could have streched in opposite directions across the Pacific to suckle Peru and Hawaaii simultaneously,Serena stormed to the Australian Open title in January.

IDK, this guy sounds pretty scary and creepy to me. :eek:

woosey
Jul 8th, 2007, 09:57 PM
i found it amusing. :lol:

mykarma
Jul 8th, 2007, 11:16 PM
I don't think Serena was faking injury.

But then again, that's because it doesn't surprise me. The girl is clearly not in the best of shape. How overweight she is, is anybody's guess; personally I think it's only 7-10lbs. And she is phenomenal enough to win slams in less than optimum condition, which is why she's convinced that she's at her fittest level.

But anybody knows that Serena is not in her best shape, and tearing over the court as she does, she is going to sustain injuries frequently until she loses the weight which is pressurising her bones. And sustain injuries frequently she has done.

"My name is Serena and I'm carrying too much weight" <round of applause>. It's nothing to be ashamed of -- say it, Serena!

And then do something about it.
If your analogy is correct, why does Venus get injuried?