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grudpill
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:59 PM
Let's face it....like everybody else, Venus was probably expecting to get family revenge on Justine in the final (for Serena's defeat).

Now that that isn't the case, some people think she'll let the standard of her game drop in the face of a player with a lesser reputation.

I don't see that happening. I've seen the laser-like look of determination Venus has been wearing since the 4th round. She wants this fourth Wimbledon title badly, and doesn't really care who she has to destroy to get it.

I think she'll come out, and play Bartoli as if she's the no.1 ranked player in the world. She'll do her best to hit her off the court. Venus herself has had too many down times, to suddenly get cocky and underestimate an opponent. If Bartoli can beat the world no.1 and get into a Wimbledon final, she's dangerous. Venus knows this,and will play her match as if she were facing Justine.

akosijepoy
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:03 PM
bartoli plays like morigami...so Vee better watch out

All4Williams
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Venus is quite used to playinmg tough upcomers. There are always in her draw. She would be a fool to underrate Bartoli. You do not get to a Wimby final without having game!

Sefo
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:05 PM
Justine managed to return Serena's serve much better than Marion's (not only here at Wim, but in Miami too). I know that Venus serve is a shotgun, but she has lower 1st serve percentage than Marion. This may be a factor.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:05 PM
Yeah but Venus always has a hard time against people she hasnt played...so...I just hope she goes out there playing to Win..not making errors...Bartoli reminds me of Monica Seles just dont hit quite as hard.

grudpill
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:07 PM
bartoli plays like morigami...so Vee better watch out

I don't think it really matters. The Venus who was playing Morigami was playing badly and playing her way into form and confidence. Unforced errors, shaky serves. She was a mess. She's currently a different player.

If Morigami faced the Venus who's been playing since the 4th round, I really wouldn't be surprised if Venus thrashed her 6-0, 6-1.

Direwolf
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:09 PM
I dont think that Venus will be..!!
she has been prepared for anything..!!!
she was prepared for Maria,
prepared for Kuznetsova
prepared for Ivanovic

y wouldnt she be prepared for this Final??

its the freakin final for crying out loud...
it would suck if she came out, only
with her serve as a weapon...

eugreene2
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:09 PM
I need to watch some Bartoli. It appears that her 1st & 2nd serves are the same. That's why she gets such a high percentage of 1st serves in. Venus should have some looks & should attack both 1st & 2nd serves!

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:14 PM
I think she will.
If you see a girl on the opposite side of the court who appears to be at least 170 pounds, it's instinctive to think their movement will be hindered.

Slutiana
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:17 PM
Justine managed to return Serena's serve much better than Marion's (not only here at Wim, but in Miami too). I know that Venus serve is a shotgun, but she has lower 1st serve percentage than Marion. This may be a factor.

what was marions?

coz at points today, venus was serving 80+% first serves in and by the end, it was around 75%

Slutiana
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:21 PM
i doubt she will...in all her interviews shes never acted like shes gonna win it and shes always saying shes taking it 1 match at a time...no matter who she plays, she wont underestimate them...i think she underestimated the first round person and she knows she wont do it twice...plus, shes probably seen marion play this week and plus, you dont beat JJ and JH nmber 1 and 2 in the WTA Race, without having something to bring to the table....

Sefo
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:26 PM
what was marions?

coz at points today, venus was serving 80+% first serves in and by the end, it was around 75%

Venus = 74% 1st serve
Marion = 86% 1st serve

pwayne
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:29 PM
Venus will win 6-3,6-2. She will run Marion side to side on a regular basis and those shots that went in today against Justine will be out tomorrow :D:

merda2004
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:29 PM
i really hope that marion plays as good if not better tomorrow!!!
come on marion!!!

champGS1452
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:31 PM
I don't know,Venus is known for not doing her homework when playing the youngsters,but Bartoli is more known than Sesil when she beat Venus. Venus should be ok.

starin
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:34 PM
please don't underestimate Bartoli, Venus

MistyGrey
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:36 PM
Venus is going to be too strong. Justine was unable to overpower Marion, I think Venus will overpower her easily. Marion can trouble Venus, can even give her hell, but only if Venus lets her in like Justine did, otherwise it'll be another 6-1,6-2 GS final! :o

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:36 PM
I don't know,Venus is known for not doing her homework when playing the youngsters,but Bartoli is more known than Sesil when she beat Venus. Venus should be ok.

I doubt that.
Venus is known for not doing her homework but Bartoli is not known more than Sesil.
I guarantee you that Marion out of all the top 20 players in the last 17 years, has been the one that people have seen the less tennis coverage of.

If a big portion of this forum hasn't seen Marion, what makes you think that Venus knows who she really is.

Anna F'd Enrique
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:39 PM
She better not pull a Safin! Underestimating T. Johansson cost him!

champGS1452
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:40 PM
I doubt that.
Venus is known for not doing her homework but Bartoli is not known more than Sesil.
I guarantee you that Marion out of all the top 20 players in the last 17 years, has been the one that people have seen the less tennis coverage of.

If a big portion of this forum hasn't seen Marion, what makes you think that Venus knows who she really is.

Well Serena has played her before,even though it was a few years ago and she probably won't remember. Venus is obviously going to know who she is now since she just beat Justine Henin in a grand slam semifinal.

drake3781
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:42 PM
People are saying two things.

Of course Venus will play hard and play to win.

But will she underestimate Bartoli? I wouldn't put it that way.

I doubt Venus has learned about her game properly (based on not knowing who Bammer is earlier this year) nor has a coach to properly lay it out for her (does she?), and these two have NO HEAD TO HEAD!

Was she able to watch the other semi? I would want to prepare by doing that and watching tapes.

Wiggly
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:42 PM
Venus always says she doesn't know her opponent.
She doesn't know anybody outside solid top 15 players.

winone23
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:43 PM
After nearly going out in the first and third rounds, I don't think Venus is underestimating anybody. Venus knows she will have to play her best to win. Plus since Venus knows Bartoli took out Henin, I don't think she will be underestimating her because she knows Bartoli is dangerous.

SV_Fan
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:45 PM
Bartoli plays just like Seles. So I say make her run.

RAA
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:46 PM
I feel like perhaps marion played the match of her life today and wouldn't be surprised if she comes out at a lower level tomorrow.

Idon't care, its venus all the way.. Venus' game is TAILORED made for grass.. not so is Henins game.

drake3781
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:49 PM
Bartoli plays just like Seles. So I say make her run.


Is she 2-handed front and back? I didn't know that!

Some of the Chinese girls play that way too.

cellophane
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:53 PM
We'll see if Venus will run Marion down tomorrow or not and how well she serves.

G_Slammed
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:57 PM
Bartoli ain't beatin' Venus in the final... so stop tryin' to talk up the Bartoli game. She hits with both hands like Seles, but that's where the similarity ends. Seles had better groundstrokes, angles, serve, return.. and even moved better. Venus is walking away with the Wimbledon Championship for the fourth time... get used to it.

SV_Fan
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:57 PM
Is she 2-handed front and back? I didn't know that!

Some of the Chinese girls play that way too.

Yeah ever since he saw the 1992 FO final with Seles and Graf he told her to hit with 2 hands.

missclaret
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:59 PM
this could be an interesting final now, bartoli is someone venus knows little about bartoli has nothing at all to loose. mind you venus is awsome and has really impressed in this tournament, so she has to be favouite, but you just never know. i remember people saying serena was bound to beat sharapova in 2004 and it wouldnt even be a contest...

supergrunt
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:59 PM
Marion hits the ball hard and with accuracy, but she is slow. Hopefully Venus will expose that weakness. :D

sfselesfan
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:10 PM
Venus needs to make sure Bartoli cannot dictate. If Bartoli gets on top of a point, with her depth of shot and how low to the ground they are, it's hard to turn the point around (even for Venus). Venus needs to dictate. Problem is, when Venus feels pressure to dictate she can throw in an error fest (see 2002 AO quarters for a prime example). Players like Bartoli (and Seles) can take advantage of that.

Watch out Venus, this could be a dangerous matchup. I actually think Justine would be easier.

I hope I'm wrong.

SF

Dawn Marie
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:19 PM
I don't think Venus will underestimate Bartoli at all.


Venus just needs to keep playing like she's been playing the last few years on grass. She needs to serve well and get to net. Use her speed and power/depth to win this title. She needs to get the first strike and move her side to side. A 2 handed person has a disadvantage imho especially on grass.

Vee's experience on grass. Spells victory for Venus. Anything can happen but by looking at the players. I mean Venus has to be a bit at ease.

GO V! DESTROY and take this slam on home!

Tennisaddict
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:24 PM
Well, Venus has underestimated opponents she never played before but that was in third or fourth rounds.
She knows that whoever reaches a slam final must be playing very good and is dangerous. I´m sure she has watched at least a piece of the Justine-Marion match. She will take it to Marion and move her around.
I think it would be a very good tactic to hit as many approach shots as possible and finish the points at net. Venus can do that she should not let herself get tricked into long baseline rallies. And if Venus´ first serve is working tomorrow she will get free points of that as well.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:26 PM
Venus is going to be too strong. Justine was unable to overpower Marion, I think Venus will overpower her easily. Marion can trouble Venus, can even give her hell, but only if Venus lets her in like Justine did, otherwise it'll be another 6-1,6-2 GS final! :o

From lookin at the match...neither Bartoli or Justine was hitting hard...but Bartoli strokes remind me of Seles...very flat...and she hit a few corners too...so...Venus just needs to play CLASSIC Venus tennis and she will be okay...her first serve is the only thing im worried about.

sfselesfan
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:27 PM
I never thought I'd say this, but...

Venus needs to listen to her dad. His advice has been spot on this whole tournament.

There, I said it. It didn't feel as bad as I thought it would.

SF

Tennisaddict
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:28 PM
Marion hits the ball hard and with accuracy, but she is slow. Hopefully Venus will expose that weakness. :D

She didn´t look slow against Henin today.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:28 PM
Venus needs to make sure Bartoli cannot dictate. If Bartoli gets on top of a point, with her depth of shot and how low to the ground they are, it's hard to turn the point around (even for Venus). Venus needs to dictate. Problem is, when Venus feels pressure to dictate she can throw in an error fest (see 2002 AO quarters for a prime example). Players like Bartoli (and Seles) can take advantage of that.

Watch out Venus, this could be a dangerous matchup. I actually think Justine would be easier.

I hope I'm wrong.

SF


You know what..I was thinkin the same thing..because Justine coach ...says Justine still kinda fears the Williamses and she looked scared playing a injured Serena, PLUS Venus has that 7-1 lead on her....Bartoli has NOTHING TO LOOSE..so....yeah watch out Venus..dont sleep on this girl! Bartoli didnt get to the Finals by accident....remember that!

Mrs. Peel
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:30 PM
I don't think she will underestimate her either. She wants to win this tournament and she will step out ruthless tomorrow. She doesn't care who will be on the other side of the net. She will be prepared to destroy, whether it would be Justine, Serena, Marion.....

frontier
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:37 PM
Bartoli should pat herself in the back for reaching the final win/lose she has done what most players dream of doing,that is playing in the final at wimbledon.Players that are still dreaming of being in a GS final;petrova,jankovic,hantukova,vaidisova,patty,s afina,and many more too numerous to mention and here we have a no.22 and 31 in the final of Wimbledon how sweet is that.Bartoli and Venus win or lose today you made my day.

Yasmine
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:37 PM
Nobody, who wins 6 matches in a row to reach a slam final, should be underestimated (not even mentionning beating Jankovic, and Hénin in the process). Venus is classy and professional so she surely wouldn't.

sharapovarulz1
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:44 PM
No player should ever underestimat there opponnent! Even if they are Venus Williams!