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Marcell
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:23 PM
Richard Williams saw the vulnerability in Justine after playing Serena.This is what he said after the match.


"Watching Justine, she seems to be very a timid person," Richard said. "When she loses a point or gets behind, she can't stop looking at the stands. That's not as tough as I thought she was, and after watching Serena play her today, I'd say she's about as mentally tough as a duck on a dry lake. I thought she was as mentally tough as a duck in wet water but that is not true at all. You see her look up in the stands and have that sorrowful look on her face. That is scary. I wouldn't want to coach no one like that."

Jasmin
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:26 PM
If she has that same look like Maria usually has when playing Serena or Venus at Wimby then that isn't good.

xr6turbo
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:27 PM
LMFAO. That is all.

schorsch
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:27 PM
richard thinks too much, no actually thats a good thing. vee and ree surely appreciate the fact he keeps himself informed. but he TALKS too much. he shouldnt be saying bad things about other players when he's the coach of two active players.

supergrunt
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:29 PM
Atleast he acknowledge and brought up to everyone that she is coached severly.

Hulet
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:29 PM
"I thought she was as mentally tough as a duck in wet water"
hahaha, that cracked me up, that's all.

Stamp Paid
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:31 PM
LMAO, I wouldnt wanna coach no one like that. :spit:

music29child
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:32 PM
lmao

Jasmin
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Love Rena and Vee but I'm no Richard fan although he can be right about some things. He just talks too much and they obviously don't want to share.

Bijoux0021
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Richard Williams saw the vulnerability in Justine after playing Serena.This is what he said after the match.


"Watching Justine, she seems to be very a timid person," Richard said. "When she loses a point or gets behind, she can't stop looking at the stands. That's not as tough as I thought she was, and after watching Serena play her today, I'd say she's about as mentally tough as a duck on a dry lake. I thought she was as mentally tough as a duck in wet water but that is not true at all. You see her look up in the stands and have that sorrowful look on her face. That is scary. I wouldn't want to coach no one like that."
:haha:

Richard knows what he's talking about. If Justine is so tough, why does she have to keep looking at the stands to get coaching signals from her coach after EVERY freaking point in every single match?

majuu
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:35 PM
Justine and Carlos are a team, they always have been and they always will be. If it mentally helps Justine to look up to the stands for support and encouragement from her coach then so be it, good for her, who cares, get over it. What kind of moron would make a statement trying to put someone down over soemthing so pointless???

GracefulVenus
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:37 PM
In Justine's defense she has been through a lot this year (how quickly we forget). She is only human and some people deal with personal problems better than others. I think it was actually quite insensative for him to make remarks like that considering what she has been through this year with her divorce and trying to get her relationship back with her family and all.

DavenportForever
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:38 PM
Richard talks too much. I like the Williams Sisters, but Richard sometimes makes me turn against them. He talks way too much. I think he is too animated in the box over there.

VishaalMaria
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:38 PM
Did you guys hear what Richard said regarding Justine's marriage?

GrandSlam05
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:39 PM
:haha:

Richard knows what he's talking about. If Justine is so tough, why does she have to keep looking at the stands to get coaching signals from her coach after EVERY freaking point in every single match?

You don't win 6 slams by being mentally weak. You're an idiot if you think so.

GrandSlam05
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:40 PM
I have no respect for Richard after that comment. He has absolutely no right to be talking shit like that.

eck
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:41 PM
I hate Richard so much after what he said about Justine and her marriage.
Bleh.

Everyone looks at their coach after points anyways.
Who would be bothered to look at chicks/guys

spokenword73
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:41 PM
Did you guys hear what Richard said regarding Justine's marriage?

what did he say about Justine's marriage?

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:42 PM
LOL Man I love me some Richard Williams....Justine played timid today thats why she's going to watch the final at home like the rest of us... and had she gone on to the final against Venus...Vee was gone lay the smack down on her ass anyway for the simple fact she beat Serena injured...dont believe me ...ask Jill Craybas...

littlebin
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:43 PM
How about Richard himself's marriage ? didn't he move his wife away? didn't he divorce too?

Did you guys hear what Richard said regarding Justine's marriage?

eck
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:44 PM
He said Justine would move anything standing in her way to get ahead, including moving her husband out of the way

GrandSlam05
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:44 PM
LOL Man I love me some Richard Williams....Justine played timid today thats why she's going to watch the final at home like the rest of us... and had she gone on to the final against Venus...Vee was gone lay the smack down on her ass anyway for the simple fact she beat Serena injured...dont believe me ...ask Jill Craybas...
You prove your stupidity once again. Craybas and Henin should never be compared, EVER.

nozaroc
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:44 PM
It's a ritual, like Maria's prep before a serve. Something positive to focus on. Sports psychologists talk about doing stuff like this all the time. Richard needs to go back to jumping up and down in the stands like a drunk at a roller derby.

BrandClay
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:44 PM
DemWilliamsGulls...you better stop counting your chickens before they hatch...becuase if Venus doens't play her best...she can loose like everyone else. So chill out...calm down...and watch the finals tomorrow. I'm supporting VEE but we have to take one step at a time!

.ivy.
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:45 PM
Richard, stfu please.

SunriseSunset
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:45 PM
In Justine's defense she has been through a lot this year (how quickly we forget). She is only human and some people deal with personal problems better than others. I think it was actually quite insensative for him to make remarks like that considering what she has been through this year with her divorce and trying to get her relationship back with her family and all.

What has that go to do with her playing tennis?:rolleyes: Richard went through a divorce himself and lost his child. A death is worse than a divorce. Yes, his bad times were not as recent, but he could be hurting too.

She's cheating basically. Just admit.:cool:

Even the commentators stick up for her. When it was Vaidasova (sp), they called her desperate/weak, but when it's Justine, it's "support". Pur-lease:) .

Lulu.
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:46 PM
:spit:

harloo
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:47 PM
what did he say about Justine's marriage?

:tape: After reading these comments, I really don't think I wan't to know what he said. Papa Rich is in rare form and needs to chill a bit. He shouldn't of said anything about Justine's marriage.:o

Anna F'd Enrique
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:48 PM
Richard is so weird. LOL

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:48 PM
Richard tends to be right the majority of the times :confused: btw everyone should be used to him speaking his mind...where do you think Serena gets it from :angel:

Fedcup
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:49 PM
Richard Williams saw the vulnerability in Justine after playing Serena.This is what he said after the match.


"Watching Justine, she seems to be very a timid person," Richard said. "When she loses a point or gets behind, she can't stop looking at the stands. That's not as tough as I thought she was, and after watching Serena play her today, I'd say she's about as mentally tough as a duck on a dry lake. I thought she was as mentally tough as a duck in wet water but that is not true at all. You see her look up in the stands and have that sorrowful look on her face. That is scary. I wouldn't want to coach no one like that."

did he said that??? How disrespectful towards Justine...everybody's dreaming of coaching such a good pupil.
Proves once again the Williams family are sore losers.

GrandSlam05
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:50 PM
What has that go to do with her playing tennis?:rolleyes: Richard went through a divorce himself and lost his child. A death is worse than a divorce. Yes, his bad times were not as recent, but he could be hurting too.

She's cheating basically. Just admit.:cool:

Even the commentators stick up for her. When it was Vaidasova (sp), they called her desperate/weak, but when it's Justine, it's "support". Pur-lease:) .

I don't think he's hurting THAT bad 4 years later. If he hasn't gotten over Yutunda's death, then by that logic maybe Henin still hasn't gotten over losing her mother as a child. It still hurts, but less as time goes by.
To use that as an excuse for his commments on Justine is ridiculous. Richard needs to just coach V&S and keep his mouth shut about everyone else.

GracefulVenus
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:50 PM
What has that go to do with her playing tennis?:rolleyes: Richard went through a divorce himself and lost his child. A death is worse than a divorce. Yes, his bad times were not as recent, but he could be hurting too.

She's cheating basically. Just admit.:cool:

Even the commentators stick up for her. When it was Vaidasova (sp), they called her desperate/weak, but when it's Justine, it's "support". Pur-lease:) .

Um.......last time I checked it takes confidence to play tennis and tennis is only one aspect of these players lives. My points is, that although I love Venus and Serena, his comments were extremely harsh. What if someone had made a comment about Venus and Serena's sister being brushed aside so that Serena could have the will to win Australia earlier this year. Now do you see my point!

Leo_DFP
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:50 PM
That's a horrible comment for Richard to make. If she's so mentally weak, how did she close out Serena with way more winners than her? And how did she come back from viruses, injuries, and a divorce to win more Slams? That's some of the poorest form I've seen from Richard ever, he's kinda been an ass all tournament. So different from Oracene. :o

GracefulVenus
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:51 PM
did he said that??? How disrespectful towards Justine...everybody's dreaming of coaching such a good pupil.
Proves once again the Williams family are sore losers.

No, not the Williams family darling.............just Richard! ;)

Erkki
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:51 PM
That comment was just mean, really mean. To say something like that about your daughters rivals is just plain disrespectful.

eck
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:52 PM
What has that go to do with her playing tennis?:rolleyes: Richard went through a divorce himself and lost his child. A death is worse than a divorce. Yes, his bad times were not as recent, but he could be hurting too.

She's cheating basically. Just admit.:cool:

Even the commentators stick up for her. When it was Vaidasova (sp), they called her desperate/weak, but when it's Justine, it's "support". Pur-lease:) .

What has Richard's comment have to do with tennis? He took a swipe at her marriage.
Justine had to suffer her elder sister's death, she had to suffer her granddad's death at the 2001 final, she had to suffer her mom's death.
Who's to say Justine is not hurting?

I hardly will count Serena 'holding up play' cheating, but since you wanna play dirty, fine.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:53 PM
DemWilliamsGulls...you better stop counting your chickens before they hatch...becuase if Venus doens't play her best...she can loose like everyone else. So chill out...calm down...and watch the finals tomorrow. I'm supporting VEE but we have to take one step at a time!

I'm not counting chickens..I just stated the almighty Henin LOST...Venus can loose tommorow and I will still be proud of her...trust I am not trying to be humbled like Justine fans has been today lol...i'm just getting a lil revenge..on those who bragged on her...imma stop now though I think i've gotten my revenge for today....

Leo_DFP
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:53 PM
I have no respect for Richard after that comment. He has absolutely no right to be talking shit like that.

Agreed, I've lost all lingering respect I had for the man.

Olórin
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:54 PM
What has Richard's comment have to do with tennis? He took a swipe at her marriage.
Justine had to suffer her elder sister's death, she had to suffer her granddad's death at the 2001 final, she had to suffer her mom's death.
Who's to say Justine is not hurting?

I hardly will count Serena 'holding up play' cheating, but since you wanna play dirty, fine.

Actually she didn;t know about her grandfather's death until after the 2001 Final was completed.

Jasmin
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:55 PM
Even I would love to coach a top player like Henin and I don't like her at all. Silly statement. I wonder does he really mean some of the things he says.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:56 PM
You prove your stupidity once again. Craybas and Henin should never be compared, EVER.

WHATEVER...Venus VS BARTOLI...in tommorow's final :worship:

adison-hingis
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:56 PM
The Williams family is a trash to me. From sisters to sisters and from mom to dad..

GrandSlam05
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:57 PM
WHATEVER...Venus VS BARTOLI...in tommorow's final :worship:
LOL, true. Lookin' forward to this. I just hope Marion at least wins a few games, but inevitably Venus will win. If not, I'm dialing 911.

Leo_DFP
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:58 PM
WHATEVER...Venus VS BARTOLI...in tommorow's final :worship:

And not Venus vs. Serena, thanks to Justine. :worship:

eck
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:59 PM
Actually she didn;t know about her grandfather's death until after the 2001 Final was completed.

I know, but she had to suffer after that period and all.
She seems to have some sort of mental block whenever she plays tournaments close to the dates of death of her nearest and dearest.

azinna
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:00 PM
...should have known Venus was going to make a run to the finals (perhaps even win) with Richard running his mouth like this....I'm going to focus on sending positive vibes to my girl, meanwhile, the rest of the tour needs to watch out: when Richard starts entertaining the media, it usually means that Team Williams is set and ready to rumble.

kiwifan
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:01 PM
Richard is hilarious. :haha:

alias
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:01 PM
Sadly, I do agree with Richard that Justine is not as mentally strong as some make her out to be. Her AO 06 final fiasco, Miami match points on Serena, she needed 3 sets to beat an injured Serena, 5 straight Slam Finals and can only win RG where she has no competition.She always looks scared.

GracefulVenus
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:01 PM
The Williams family is a trash to me. From sisters to sisters and from mom to dad..

And you must be the trash bag..................loser!

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:01 PM
And not Venus vs. Serena, thanks to Justine. :worship:

Thats alright though baby...1 may have gone down but the other is IN THE FINAL...CAN YOU SAY THE SAME ;) LOL...

mykarma
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:05 PM
Justine and Carlos are a team, they always have been and they always will be. If it mentally helps Justine to look up to the stands for support and encouragement from her coach then so be it, good for her, who cares, get over it. What kind of moron would make a statement trying to put someone down over soemthing so pointless???
I think that was Richard's way of saying that Justine was getting signals from Carlos. :lol:

Erkki
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:06 PM
"When Richard starts entertaining the media, it usually means that Team Williams is set and ready to rumble."

"Richard is hilarious."

Seriously. Do you really recall these kind of comments as "entertaining" and "hilarious"? Jesus.

SeaUrchin
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:07 PM
Justine isn't that mentally strong anymore. The virus thing played a big part in this. Losing 3 of the slam finals last year showed it BUT the expressions Richard use are really ugly. He's a duck with a very big mouth.

mykarma
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:09 PM
did he said that??? How disrespectful towards Justine...everybody's dreaming of coaching such a good pupil.
Proves once again the Williams family are sore losers.
Is Richard Williams the Williams family? :tape:

iPatty
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:09 PM
serena looks at him all the time. :confused:

MrSerenaWilliams
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:13 PM
No she doesn't :lol:

He's not even at all of her matches :lol:

mykarma
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:15 PM
And not Venus vs. Serena, thanks to Justine. :worship:
Thanks to her injury.

Jirku
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:16 PM
he's even more stupid then he already looks :rolleyes:

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:23 PM
:scratch: since when have ducks been known to be mentally tough? I mean, yeah, the migration thing, but honestly...,

Richard, should stick to making comments ONLY about his daughter.


...unless he talking about Hingis :devil: :p:

Bijoux0021
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:26 PM
I think that was Richard's way of saying that Justine was getting signals from Carlos. :lol:
Anyone who saw the match could clearly see Justine and coach were cheating. ESPN showed it. They didn't even have to show it to know it. She and coach always cheat.

missclaret
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:52 PM
abit of a cruel thing to say, but in some ways i see what he means, she seemed mentally tough when she beat serena williams the other day, and you dont win all those slams by not being tough but to be honest she looked totally lost and vunerable out there once bartoli won the second set. you just knew she would not be able to win the match after that.

schorsch
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:56 PM
omg, i cant believe you're defending him. allright defend venus and serena who are players themselves, thats ok. but he doesnt have any right to say such things. i mean come on, if his daughters weren't as mentally strong as they are he could actually be causing a lot of psychological damage with this crap. i would get so friggin' cross at my father if he said something like that.

richard keep your mouth shut unless you're talking about your daughters.

this is where yuri who also gets a lot of attacking deserves some credit although i dont like changing the topic of threads. he keeps his mouth shut and lets his daughter do the talking. richard should do the same. pff.

CORIA01
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:57 PM
Richard Is Wrong
He Is Pathetic To Criticize Henin's Mental
She Has Beaten Her Daughter
So More Respect!!!!

edificio
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:58 PM
It is pathetic how Justine is constantly looking to Carlos for signals. Frankly, I think she is doing it more now than she has in the past. She isn't the only one who does this. I think most players should learn how to make decisions on the court on their own. However, as usual, Richard probably took it a bit far with his usual colorful language. Why anyone is surprised at the things Richard says, after all these years, amazes me.

VRee_Willario
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Richard talks too much:lol:
That comment meade me laugh a bit but it wasn't a proper thing to say

MinnyGophers
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:08 PM
What has that go to do with her playing tennis?:rolleyes: Richard went through a divorce himself and lost his child. A death is worse than a divorce. Yes, his bad times were not as recent, but he could be hurting too.

She's cheating basically. Just admit.:cool:

Even the commentators stick up for her. When it was Vaidasova (sp), they called her desperate/weak, but when it's Justine, it's "support". Pur-lease:) .

Yes, because Justine didnt lose anyone close to her like her mother, or her family didn't contact her most of her life... oh wait.

RVD
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:11 PM
The Williams family is a trash to me. From sisters to sisters and from mom to dad..RICHARD MADE THE STATEMENT YOU IDIOT!!!!

See, I wasn't going to reply to this thread, but fools like this have a way of bring out the ass in me.

What does Richard's PERSONAL statement have to do with the rest of the Williams family?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?

The fact is, Richard states what others are already saying and thinking. That's why some admire the shit out of him, while others hate him for his honesty. Personally, Richard does what the commentators normally do, but no one takes the commentators to task, do they?

Insensitive or not, he made a statement based on fact!
Justine DOES ALWAYS look to her people for help.

Now, the rest of what he said was just his own brand of weird humor.
Those who like him find it funny because they know, and are familiar with, his quirky humor. While those who already hate him will obviously hate him even more. :shrug:

BOTTOMLINE:
DON'T USE RICHARD WILLIAMS AS AN EXCUSE TO HATE THE REST OF THE WILLIAMS FAMILY. THAT IS JUST MORONIC!

Craigy
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:12 PM
Richard :haha:

Craigy
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:12 PM
Richard Is Wrong
He Is Pathetic To Criticize Henin's Mental
She Has Beaten Her Daughter
So More Respect!!!!

Oh :unsure:

RVD
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:18 PM
Sadly, I do agree with Richard that Justine is not as mentally strong as some make her out to be. Her AO 06 final fiasco, Miami match points on Serena, she needed 3 sets to beat an injured Serena, 5 straight Slam Finals and can only win RG where she has no competition.She always looks scared.EXACTLY, Alias!
And great examples. Richard is a great coach and is able to see things that even the so-called veterans [and commentators] won't admit. So if people want to hate him for that and for speaking his mind as a coach, then so be it. But it does not make what he said false.

Rocketta
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:29 PM
Richard is hilarious if for no other reasons that the same people haven't learned that Richard talks smack...that's Richard....take everything he says seriously if you must but you'll only be frustrating yourself while the rest of us including richard are laughing that you took him seriously. :lol:

dorkgirl
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Hmm Richard Williams is full of crap.

Oh wait, that's not new. Same old rubbish from him.

darrinbaker00
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:32 PM
Richard is hilarious if for no other reasons that the same people haven't learned that Richard talks smack...that's Richard....take everything he says seriously if you must but you'll only be frustrating yourself while the rest of us including richard are laughing that you took him seriously. :lol:
Except, of course, when he's talking about his daughters' tennis. Then, and ONLY then, should Richard Williams be taken seriously. ;)

NyCPsU
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:33 PM
i cant stand some of the things richard says...there was more to the original quote in the first post, well according to the newspaper i read here at work, he called justine pathetic and there was more i cant remember, but it was pretty messed up.

NyCPsU
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:35 PM
Richard is hilarious if for no other reasons that the same people haven't learned that Richard talks smack...that's Richard....take everything he says seriously if you must but you'll only be frustrating yourself while the rest of us including richard are laughing that you took him seriously. :lol:

i agree with this mostly
but if anyone said anything similar about serena or venus people would have the same if not worse reactions, so he should probably keep his mouth shut about other players imo.

darrinbaker00
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:39 PM
Anyone who saw the match could clearly see Justine and coach were cheating. ESPN showed it. They didn't even have to show it to know it. She and coach always cheat.
To be fair, Richard did say on ESPN before the Justine match that if he saw that Serena wasn't moving well, he'd yell out to her to go for more winners; that's coaching. EVERYONE, including Venus and Serena, has been asking their coaches if they should challenge a call; that's coaching. Justine ain't the only one doing it.

Rocketta
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:44 PM
i agree with this mostly
but if anyone said anything similar about serena or venus people would have the same if not worse reactions, so he should probably keep his mouth shut about other players imo.

Sure if it's the first, second, third, etc. time but come on Richard is known for trying to say the most outrageous thing he can think of for years and years and people need to probably start treating his comments like his family does........with a roll of the eyes and a whatever....the fact that he still gets a rise out of the media is why he keeps doing it. :shrug:

Which btw, is how I bet Justine will deal with his comments.....a roll of the eyes and a whatever...

Apoleb
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:44 PM
There's nothing funny about what he said. His comments were downright nasty, and saying that he shouldn't be taken seriously just because, is even more stupid.

Justine can indeed be vulnerable sometimes, but it's her vulnerability and strength at the same time that make her so unique. If she was that vulnerable, she wouldn't have won the US Open 2003 title, or came off cramps to beat Lindsay, or had as many comebacks as she had in her career.

I think it's just sour grapes on his part after his daughter lost to her biggest rival on her favorite surface. :)

Apoleb
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:48 PM
Sure if it's the first, second, third, etc. time but come on Richard is known for trying to say the most outrageous thing he can think of for years and years and people need to probably start treating his comments like his family does........with a roll of the eyes and a whatever....the fact that he still gets a rise out of the media is why he keeps doing it. :shrug:

Which btw, is how I bet Justine will deal with his comments.....a roll of the eyes and a whatever...

Doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized for saying them. It's your choice not to take them seriously, but you can't argue that he should just get away with it.

Rocketta
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:52 PM
Doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized for saying them. It's your choice not to take them seriously, but you can't argue that he should just get away with it.

Take him seriously for all I care but do you really think Richard cares if he upset Justine, Carlos or her fans? That would've been the purpose of his statements wouldn't it. So please take him seriously....rant and rave about Richard....that's frankly what he wants. Have at it! :wavey:

supergrunt
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:53 PM
Get over it.

Apoleb
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:54 PM
Take him seriously for all I care but do you really think Richard cares if he upset Justine, Carlos or her fans? That would've been the purpose of his statements wouldn't it. So please take him seriously....rant and rave about Richard....that's frankly what he wants. Have at it! :wavey:

Oh I don't take him seriously. I just think he's an idiot and I have no respect whatsoever for him, and I think I'm allowed to say that.

supergrunt
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:54 PM
He's not gonna kiss her ass like Martina Navratilova.

Rocketta
Jul 6th, 2007, 08:56 PM
Oh I don't take him seriously. I just think he's an idiot and I have no respect whatsoever for him, and I think I'm allowed to say that.
Who said you weren't allowed?? :scratch:

harloo
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:01 PM
To be fair, Richard did say on ESPN before the Justine match that if he saw that Serena wasn't moving well, he'd yell out to her to go for more winners; that's coaching. EVERYONE, including Venus and Serena, has been asking their coaches if they should challenge a call; that's coaching. Justine ain't the only one doing it.

Richard says alot of things that one must take with a grain of salt. The fact remains that he didn't coach Serena during that match even though he couldn't stay out of his seat. That's the one thing I appreciate about Richard, he lets both sisters figure it out for themselves on court.

It's really suprising that the #1 player and winner of six slams needs to look up at her box and get hand signals from her coach. :)

kiwifan
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:02 PM
Take him seriously for all I care but do you really think Richard cares if he upset Justine, Carlos or her fans? That would've been the purpose of his statements wouldn't it. So please take him seriously....rant and rave about Richard....that's frankly what he wants. Have at it! :wavey:

Exactly.

He's been saying this kind of stuff since the early '90s

Everyone in this thread who is truly upset...

...is O\/\/NZED as the committee would say over on 14th & Minna. :haha:

You can't let Richard rule your life like that. :devil: :nerner: :devil:

Apoleb
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:04 PM
Exactly.

He's been saying this kind of stuff since the early '90s

Everyone in this thread who is truly upset...

...is O\/\/NZED as the committee would say over on 14th & Minna. :haha:

You can't let Richard rule your life like that. :devil: :nerner: :devil:

What he said was stupid and nasty. Do you agree or not? If we say it's stupid we're owned? Please.

vejh
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:04 PM
Why do people think Ju looking to her coach all the time is for coaching?? Think people! She is looking for encouragement; a friendly face, support from someone who believes, someone who knows what's going on on court or with her; Carlos. Not to say that one or two times Carlos didn't say volley, or volley, or volley lol..(that's all I could make out), but the majority of time it's just encouragement that was needed and gotten.

Ju is vulnerable, and very emotional, but she is very tough at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive. #1 or not. How stupid to make statments like "the #1 player looking to her box". More than being #1, she is being Justine; a vulnerable, emotional woman, who seeks support from her box. It really is nothing new, but I guess this will be the next big nothing argument on watworld.

harloo
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:07 PM
Why do people think Ju looking to her coach all the time is for coaching?? Think people! She is looking for encouragement; a friendly face, support from someone who believes, someone who knows what's going on on court or with her; Carlos. Not to say that one or two times Carlos didn't say volley, or volley, or volley lol..(that's all I could make out), but the majority of time it's just encouragement that was needed and gotten.

Ju is vulnerable, and very emotional, but she is very tough at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.

I guess the hand gestures from Carlos during her matches are just for his own amusement. ESPN has caught him several times giving Justine signals so while I understand your position the fact remains that it's illegal coaching.;)

marcianito
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:09 PM
not to attack Justine but she always has the scared look on her face when she is loosing

faste5683
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:12 PM
:lol:

Richard's so funny! Publicly tearing down young woman - God he sure is a foxy 'ol bastard! God he's a riot:lol:

It's a good thing the sisters have him in their corner - 'cause Oracene sure as hell don't want him in hers - he played too much like a young Mike Tyson with her:tape:

:wavey:

darrinbaker00
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:12 PM
Why do people think Ju looking to her coach all the time is for coaching?? Think people! She is looking for encouragement; a friendly face, support from someone who believes, someone who knows what's going on on court or with her; Carlos. Not to say that one or two times Carlos didn't say volley, or volley, or volley lol..(that's all I could make out), but the majority of time it's just encouragement that was needed and gotten.

Ju is vulnerable, and very emotional, but she is very tough at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive. #1 or not. How stupid to make statments like "the #1 player looking to her box". More than being #1, she is being Justine; a vulnerable, emotional woman, who seeks support from her box. It really is nothing new, but I guess this will be the next big nothing argument on watworld.
The rules clearly state that there is to be no communication, verbal or otherwise, between player and coach during the match. I don't care if Justine and Carlos were saying "I love you" to each other; they were breaking the rules.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:13 PM
The rules clearly state that there is to be no communication, verbal or otherwise, between player and coach during the match. I don't care if Justine and Carlos were saying "I love you" to each other; they were breaking the rules.

:lol: Let the church say...AMEN!

Rocketta
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:16 PM
:lol:

Richard's so funny! Publicly tearing down young woman - God he sure is a foxy 'ol bastard! God he's a riot:lol:

It's a good thing the sisters have him in their corner - 'cause Oracene sure as hell don't want him in hers - he played too much like a young Mike Tyson with her:tape:

:wavey:

Yeah well no one's perfect! He could've been acting like a young Joan Crawford like justine's man. :wavey:

darrinbaker00
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:20 PM
:lol:

Richard's so funny! Publicly tearing down young woman - God he sure is a foxy 'ol bastard! God he's a riot:lol:

It's a good thing the sisters have him in their corner - 'cause Oracene sure as hell don't want him in hers - he played too much like a young Mike Tyson with her:tape:

:wavey:
I don't find what Richard said funny, Ed; what's funny to me is that people STILL take him seriously when he's talking about anything other than his daughters' tennis. The press knows how he is, yet they keep putting a microphone in his face; how foolish is that?

Apoleb
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:29 PM
He said Justine would move anything standing in her way to get ahead, including moving her husband out of the way


:haha: Did he really say that? Justine should be flattered I guess, cause he's surely spending a lot of time thinking about her.

Melly Flew Us
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:33 PM
What has Richard's comment have to do with tennis? He took a swipe at her marriage.
Justine had to suffer her elder sister's death, she had to suffer her granddad's death at the 2001 final, she had to suffer her mom's death.
Who's to say Justine is not hurting?

I hardly will count Serena 'holding up play' cheating, but since you wanna play dirty, fine.
i thought justine's oldest sibling died before any of the others were born.

anyway, richard is known to run his mouth. write a letter of complaint if you want, but his vulgar terms are based on a little kernel of truth.

carlos himself has said that justine needs a little more support now, that is why he gave her notes to read at RG. he did his volee-attack pantomine in last year's wimbledon final as well. and wasn't it justine who said something about not guaranteeing that she would love her husband tomorrow even though she might love him today or something like that.

faste5683
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:37 PM
I don't find what Richard said funny, Ed; what's funny to me is that people STILL take him seriously when he's talking about anything other than his daughters' tennis. The press knows how he is, yet they keep putting a microphone in his face; how foolish is that?

The press keeps putting a microphone in his face? Well hell, Darrin, he could've talked about buying half of China or how he's developed an AIDS vaccine in his R.V., but he didn't. He choose to pass judgment on a young woman, slighting both her courage and character; that's pretty fucked up, imo, whether he's talking "smack"or not. This whole "smack" thing is bullshit anyway. If you say something hurtful about another person, you cannot explain away the damage by calling it "smack" or "he's just kidding" or "how can anyone take him seriously?"

You watch, my friend: this is gonna backfire on Richard big time...


:wavey:

darrinbaker00
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:44 PM
The press keeps putting a microphone in his face? Well hell, Darrin, he could've talked about buying half of China or how he's developed an AIDS vaccine in his R.V., but he didn't. He choose to pass judgment on a young woman, slighting both her courage and character; that's pretty fucked up, imo, whether he's talking "smack"or not. This whole "smack" thing is bullshit anyway. If you say something hurtful about another person, you cannot explain away the damage by calling it "smack" or "he's just kidding" or "how can anyone take him seriously?"

You watch, my friend: this is gonna backfire on Richard big time...


:wavey:
I'm not trying to explain anything away, Ed, but if you KNOW Richard is more than likely going to say something crazy, then you're just as crazy for giving him the opportunity. That's all I'm saying.

jojoseph
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:07 PM
Richard Williams saw the vulnerability in Justine after playing Serena.This is what he said after the match.


" I wouldn't want to coach no one like that."

Love the double negative.

RVD
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:07 PM
Why do people think Ju looking to her coach all the time is for coaching?? Think people! She is looking for encouragement; a friendly face, support from someone who believes, someone who knows what's going on on court or with her; Carlos. Not to say that one or two times Carlos didn't say volley, or volley, or volley lol..(that's all I could make out), but the majority of time it's just encouragement that was needed and gotten.

Ju is vulnerable, and very emotional, but she is very tough at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive. #1 or not. How stupid to make statments like "the #1 player looking to her box". More than being #1, she is being Justine; a vulnerable, emotional woman, who seeks support from her box. It really is nothing new, but I guess this will be the next big nothing argument on watworld.WHAT THE HELL?!?!!? :haha: :haha:
Hold the press...
So which is it fella?

And...

...are you KIDDING?!? :haha:
Of course STRENGTH and VULNERABILITY/WEAKNESS are mutually exclusive. DAYEMN!

sfselesfan
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:11 PM
He choose to pass judgment on a young woman, slighting both her courage and character; that's pretty fucked up, imo, whether he's talking "smack"or not.

:wavey:


All I have to say is...The truth hurts.

SF

DavidEllul
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:17 PM
he had better shut his freaky mouth

RVD
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:19 PM
I don't find what Richard said funny, Ed; what's funny to me is that people STILL take him seriously when he's talking about anything other than his daughters' tennis. The press knows how he is, yet they keep putting a microphone in his face; how foolish is that?So VERY true, darrinbaker00.

That's why I call him Sound-Bite Richard. ;)

The media needs their circus and Richard fits the bill perfectly.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he said these things to light a fire under Justine and her camp. I still recall what Carlos and Henin said about Serena after her FO lose to Henin. :scared:

It just seems like a cat and mouse game all the way around between the usual players. :shrug:

darrinbaker00
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:21 PM
he had better shut his freaky mouth
Or else what? You'll tell on him?

Olórin
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:22 PM
Or else what? You'll tell on him?

:haha:

RVD
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:23 PM
Or else what? You'll tell on him? :spit: :lol:

Apoleb
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:26 PM
WHAT THE HELL?!?!!? :haha: :haha:
Hold the press...
So which is it fella?

And...

...are you KIDDING?!? :haha:
Of course STRENGTH and VULNERABILITY/WEAKNESS are mutually exclusive. DAYEMN!

Someone can be mentally strong at times/certain things and vulnerable at other times/things. It doesn't need to be spelled out. :rolleyes:

Anyone who thinks Justine, a 6 time GS winner, is mentally weak in general, is an idiot, sorry. I guess Richard can say what he wants, but at least not as stupid as this. It's obvious why he said it, and it's because of Serena's loss, unfortunately.

koppted
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:28 PM
interesting..

ico4498
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:28 PM
Richard is hilarious if for no other reasons that the same people haven't learned that Richard talks smack...that's Richard....take everything he says seriously if you must but you'll only be frustrating yourself while the rest of us including richard are laughing that you took him seriously. :lol:

'cept coaching is cheating (at this turney anyway). Carlos & Justine surely ain't unique in this, Hingis and "the do" (aka her mom) are another famous pair ... ('Ketta specific comments ends)

spiel whatever monuments yah wanna to their incredible achievements. the obvious coaching they receive during matches challenge popular mis"conceptions" about their game. namely; Justine is a tower of strength (as long as Carlos is the tower) & Hingis is a genius (as long as Melanie pulls the strings in the stands).

for me, Richard remains funny for the emotions he extracts. imagine, Justine fans in an uproar at a cheating allegation? :lol:

trivfun
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:29 PM
He openly said about Serena having a bad hamstring. I have never heard that by a father saying about her daughter before a tournament only after. Who says that kind of stuff. No complaints from the fans or her opponents. Justine should be happy because he gave her amunition against Serena but then again he probably gave ammunition for Marion as well. Lets just says, he says what he feels and knows.

Bijoux0021
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:34 PM
Richard says alot of things that one must take with a grain of salt. The fact remains that he didn't coach Serena during that match even though he couldn't stay out of his seat. That's the one thing I appreciate about Richard, he lets both sisters figure it out for themselves on court.

It's really suprising that the #1 player and winner of six slams needs to look up at her box and get hand signals from her coach. :)
EXACTLY! Coaching was allowed in Miami of this year. And even after Serena was bageled by Justine in the first set, Richard didn't coach Serena.

SunriseSunset
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:41 PM
I don't think he's hurting THAT bad 4 years later. If he hasn't gotten over Yutunda's death, then by that logic maybe Henin still hasn't gotten over losing her mother as a child. It still hurts, but less as time goes by.
To use that as an excuse for his commments on Justine is ridiculous. Richard needs to just coach V&S and keep his mouth shut about everyone else.

If a death that happened 4yrs ago isn't that bad, then Justine's that happened, I don't know, two decades ago should be fine by now.

Why should he keep his mouth shut? Just because she's no1, it doesn't mean she should break the rules. First the Australian Open 06 and over a yr later, she's STILL cheating...what a shame.:cool:

Bijoux0021
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:43 PM
I guess the hand gestures from Carlos during her matches are just for his own amusement. ESPN has caught him several times giving Justine signals so while I understand your position the fact remains that it's illegal coaching.;)
Those two have always engaged in illegal coaching. They show them on TV all the time doing it, but some people still have the nerves to deny it anyway.

T-GIRL87
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:46 PM
To some degree, I do feel that Justine can be somewhat vulnerable against players that can push her. I wouldn't say that she's mentally weak by any means, but even the best players are prone to have a few hiccups. As far as Richard's comments are concerned, I can understand why some would precieve it as attacking, but I'm not certain if that is his intention. I do think think he's alot smarter than most people give him credit for, however for the sake of not drawing any more "drama" I wish he would keep his opinions to himself more.

matty
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:48 PM
Maybe going a bit too far this time....

RVD
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Someone can be mentally strong at times/certain things and vulnerable at other times/things. It doesn't need to be spelled out. :rolleyes:

Anyone who thinks Justine, a 6 time GS winner, is mentally weak in general, is an idiot, sorry. I guess Richard can say what he wants, but at least not as stupid as this. It's obvious why he said it, and it's because of Serena's loss, unfortunately.Apoleb, I've just gotta say that though we may not agree on everything, you usually post some fairly astute statements. But this...?

But okay.
You've completely lost me with this overtly 'opposing' logic, but okay. :shrug:

Apoleb
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:54 PM
Apoleb, I've just gotta say that though we may not agree on everything, you usually post some fairly astute statements. But this...?

But okay.
You've completely lost me with this overtly 'opposing' logic, but okay. :shrug:


I guess that's a good way of saying "I've got nothing worth to add." :p

Craigy
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:56 PM
he had better shut his freaky mouth

Or what, you'll get him? :yawn:

ico4498
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:56 PM
Why do people think Ju looking to her coach all the time is for coaching??

they have footage of the actual coaching.

vejh
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:56 PM
Ju is emotionally vulnerable, but she is pretty tough; I don't know how hard is that to understand. She gets nervous, she gets scared etc..but those are emotions she can manage and claw her way out. Unless of course the theory is the mentally tough person doesn't get emotional. I think it's a fine line where the emotions can wipe out the toughness, but once you can control those emotions, you 'll be great. Redirect the emotions if you will. That's as best as I can explain it. Not everything is black and white; vulnerability, emotional tendencies and toughness are not mutually exclusive.

sfselesfan
Jul 6th, 2007, 10:59 PM
I actually don't care about the illegal coaching. I have a bigger problem with "the hand" and her supposed AO tummy ache. As far as I'm concerned let him coach her.

SF

RVD
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:01 PM
I guess that's a good way of saying "I've got nothing worth to add." :pYou mean like your last 3 posts? :hehehe:

Seriously..., get a grip.

vejh
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:02 PM
they have footage of the actual coaching.

You did not address my question/point. Whenever she looks at him it is not for coaching (or not necessarily). She looks for encouragement; support etc. Also who is going to stop Carlos from coaching except the WTA officials? Alot of time girls look to their box and receive coaching; but it is not that they're asking for it. They are times all Carlos is doing is shouting encouragement, or simply clapping and nodding his head as if it to say "it's all good". So my point is/was; more often times than not, Ju is looking for support or just a friendly face. So do most girls.

Apoleb
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:03 PM
Ju is emotionally vulnerable, but she is pretty tough; I don't know how hard is that to understand. She gets nervous, she gets scared etc..but those are emotions she can manage and claw her way out. Unless of course the theory is the mentally tough person doesn't emotional. I think it's a fine line where the emotionca can wipe out the toughness, but once you can control those emotions, you 'll be great. Redirect the emotions if you will. That's as best I can explain it. Not everything is black and white; vulnerability, emotional tendencies and toughness are not mutually exclusive.

Obviously this is very true, but the expert psychologists in this thread might disagree. :lol: :o She does get nervous, especially when she's leading and in important matches in her career, but she's proven so many times that she can manage her emotions possibly better than most other girls on tour. I think the only player that is stronger mentally than her is Serena, but overall, her mental toughness is actually one of her strengths and one of the most important factors why she won the FO in 2003, or the USO 2003 or the Olympics.

Kart
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:03 PM
As per usual Richard Williams does himself no favours with his predictable, general lack of tact.

It remains a very fortunate thing that his daughters behave nothing like him when dealing with the media.

doni1212
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:03 PM
Richard's quote was so good and true,that I just had to put it in my signature.

ico4498
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:06 PM
You did not address my question.

yes i did. she looks for coaching and thats been captured in live & living color.

vejh
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:08 PM
But how do you know she looks for coaching? Isn't that your very biased assumption?lol.
Why can't it be that she looks for encouragement like every other player does? Who can control the coaches' response?

RVD
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:09 PM
Ju is emotionally vulnerable, but she is pretty tough; I don't know how hard is that to understand. She gets nervous, she gets scared etc..but those are emotions she can manage and claw her way out. Unless of course the theory is the mentally tough person doesn't emotional. I think it's a fine line where the emotionca can wipe out the toughness, but once you can control those emotions, you 'll be great. Redirect the emotions if you will. That's as best I can explain it. Not everything is black and white; vulnerability, emotional tendencies and toughness are not mutually exclusive.You are the second poster to state this. WTH?!

If you are saying that Justine is PHYSICALLY strong, then fine, say PHYSICALLY strong. But if you and Apoleb are attemptng to merge the PHYSICAL and the EMOTIONAL and call the two the same, but different, then there's a problem.

POINT:
Champions are BOTH mentally and PHYSICALLY stronger than their competition, and demonstrate BOTH with aplomb. But please don't make excuses for Justine when she just got her ass waxed by a player who handed her a 6-1 score line in the third. THAT is NOT the sign of a champion.
Now IF a player [Justine] was injured, then that's a different story.
But attempting to NOT differentiate between the physical and the mental is absurd.

vejh
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:15 PM
See RVD, before waiting for clarification, you also make plenty of assumptions and formulate an irrelevant opinion. Certainly I was NOT referring to any loss of Ju's. Right now I am on a tangent of Richard's comment. Nor am I talking of any physical aspect of the game; neither is Apoleb as far as I can see.

But for the sake of argument; let me then ask you; Is Steffi Graf not one of the greatest champions to grace a tennis court? Is Venus not a stunning champion on grass? Shall I go on? Your sentence about being beaten 6/1 makes one less of a champion is , uh, not true at all.

Also, Ju is living proof that a champion doesn't have to be physically stronger than her opponent; over and over and over and over and over again.

ico4498
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:18 PM
But how do you know she looks for coaching? Isn't that your very biased assumption?lol.
Why can't it be that she looks for encouragement like every other player does? Who can control the coaches' response?

vejh, if you wanna overlook actual proof and feign ignorance ...thats your call.

that Carlos coaches from the stands and Justine looks for advice is now a fact. managing your denial is a personal issue.

good luck!

vejh
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:22 PM
^lol Then it's you and me both in denial then.lol Goodluck to you too.

schorsch
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:28 PM
I don't find what Richard said funny, Ed; what's funny to me is that people STILL take him seriously when he's talking about anything other than his daughters' tennis. The press knows how he is, yet they keep putting a microphone in his face; how foolish is that?
very? :eek:

thrust
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:28 PM
If Justine is so obviously cheating, how come she and Carlos do not get called for it by the tennis OFFICIALS? The American tennis community very obviously does not like Justine. The Williams sisters are the only American singles players who have a chance of winning a Slam, therefore, they are kissing the sisters butts-now. Once they start losing, or not competing, the press will turn on them again. Richard hates Justine because she beat his little girl and prevented an all Williams final, he is a sick joke.

VishaalMaria
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:30 PM
If Justine is so obviously cheating, how come she and Carlos do not get called for it by the tennis OFFICIALS? The American tennis community very obviously does not like Justine. The Williams sisters are the only American singles players who have a chance of winning a Slam, therefore, they are kissing the sisters butts-now. Once they start losing, or not competing, the press will turn on them again. Richard hates Justine because she beat his little girl and prevented an all Williams final, he is a sick joke.

Richard doesn't hate Justine. Hell, even Richard told Serena to withdraw from Wimbledon and to go home after her match against Daniella. I think he was more disappointed that Serena was playing.

StarDuvallGrant
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:33 PM
Richard is hilarious. :haha:


Very much so :lol:

ico4498
Jul 6th, 2007, 11:53 PM
^lol Then it's you and me both in denial then.lol Goodluck to you too.

i've pretty much laid out your denial. let me know if you've some handle on mine! :wavey:

Rocketta
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:12 AM
Hey everbody is apparently on Richard's side....I just heard Yuri changed seats in the Sharapova match to distract people from what Richard said....who'd a thunk it? :eek: :lol:



:cuckoo:

sweetpeas
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:01 AM
The Williams family is a trash to me. From sisters to sisters and from mom to dad..


I have a feeling a lot of your think that way.So if you feel that way it ok?But not MR.WILLIAMS.Sick!It's his mind.Mr.Williams could care 2 cent about YOUR"LL thought, mine"s or anyones ELSE.Did he ask you ?

davidmario
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:13 AM
First of all: Richard is soo right about it. He speaks the truth and what should he do when he gets a question on Juju's mental toughness. It's not like he just called the press and told them that.

Furthermore, Justine gets coaching after EVERY single point. It's not like Carlos says "C'mon" - watch his hands and you see clear tactical advices. Very poor job by the chair umpires there:(

davidmario
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:14 AM
Hey everbody is apparently on Richard's side....I just heard Yuri changed seats in the Sharapova match to distract people from what Richard said....who'd a thunk it? :eek: :lol:



:cuckoo:

yeah he changed seats. I noticed that too.

kiwifan
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:18 AM
Very much so :lol:

I already sent this to you in rep but I wanted to share it with everyone...

I love Richard Williams and the way he pisses off certain folks :devil:

He started with the USTA and now he's pissing off the World :haha:

And laughing all the way back to Compton, Louisiana & Florida :nerner:

darrinbaker00
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:18 AM
First of all: Richard is soo right about it. He speaks the truth and what should he do when he gets a question on Juju's mental toughness. It's not like he just called the press and told them that.

Furthermore, Justine gets coaching after EVERY single point. It's not like Carlos says "C'mon" - watch his hands and you see clear tactical advices. Very poor job by the chair umpires there:(
Even if Carlos was just saying "C'mon" after every point, he's communicating with his player during a match, which is against the rules. To be fair, though, ALL players ask their coaches/parents/friends if they should challenge a call, which is technically the same thing.

Polikarpov
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:21 AM
I think Richard's comment was uncalled for. Can't he keep it to himself? Isn't he mature enough?

I think he's just bitter with Serena's loss that's why he looked for something that he could criticize Juju with.

Polikarpov
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:23 AM
Even if Carlos was just saying "C'mon" after every point, he's communicating with his player during a match, which is against the rules. To be fair, though, ALL players ask their coaches/parents/friends if they should challenge a call, which is technically the same thing.

And what do you make of Richard standing and yelling every friggin time? Don't you think he's also communicating something through it?

eck
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:37 AM
So who was he trying to show that it was going to rain when he kept pointing up the the sky?

darrinbaker00
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:03 AM
And what do you make of Richard standing and yelling every friggin time? Don't you think he's also communicating something through it?
I never said he wasn't. Like I said in my previous post, ALL players look to their box when it comes to challenges, which is a clear violation of the coaching rule.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:07 AM
Richard doesn't hate Justine. Hell, even Richard told Serena to withdraw from Wimbledon and to go home after her match against Daniella. I think he was more disappointed that Serena was playing.

You beleived that? :rolls:

moby
Jul 7th, 2007, 07:39 AM
WHAT THE HELL?!?!!? :haha: :haha:
Hold the press...
So which is it fella?

And...

...are you KIDDING?!? :haha:
Of course STRENGTH and VULNERABILITY/WEAKNESS are mutually exclusive. DAYEMN!That's why you are a Williams fan, and we are Justine fans.

The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. - F. Scott Fitzgerald

DimaDinosaur
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:01 AM
LOL, I thought Richard was normal before, but now it's apparant that he is starting to be senile and/or schizo

Slutiana
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:29 AM
Richard Is Wrong
He Is Pathetic To Criticize Henin's Mental
She Has Beaten Her Daughter
So More Respect!!!!

Childline!!:unsure:

Or else what? You'll tell on him?

:spit::haha:

Richard's quote was so good and true,that I just had to put it in my signature.

:worship:

once again....richard was right...in the Bartoli match she was veryu vulnerable wasn't she?

Petersmiler
Jul 7th, 2007, 08:47 AM
This thread is hilarious.

Now all those V + S fans try to see it from a different perspective. If anyone, and I really mean anyone, had said anything remotely as offensive as the comments about her marriage about either sister, you would all be in uproar. Because it's said about Justine, it's ok. Even funny?

I wish Justine had just said 'Well he can speak about me when he has 6 slams!'

marion127
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:00 AM
yes, it's very hilarous !!

RVD
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:11 AM
That's why you are a Williams fan, and we are Justine fans.This also makes no sense. What exactly are you trying to say? :???: Why not just come out and make your point?
But if it makes you feel any better...
...this is also why there's chocolate and vanilla ice cream. ;) And I'll stick with my chocolate ice cream, thankyouverymuch.
DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT TALKING RACE HERE FOLKS.
The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. - F. Scott FitzgeraldThat's all well and good Moby, but what you and the others are attempting to pass off as "ideas" are mutually exclusive [read: separate and distinct] physiological characteristics.
However, if you wanna believe such, then of course you’re certainly free to do so. :shrug:

GoDominique
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:15 AM
Just because Richard appears to be "right", it doesn't he should ever be saying these things, as a player's father and coach.

He is and has always been classless. Of course no one's taking him seriously, again that doesn't mean he can be excused for being a rude ass.

And of course the hypocritical Williams fans find him oh-so-funny, but if anyone makes the slightest comment towards the sisters they are foaming at the mouth from anger. Pathetic bunch of insecure idiots. :lol:

Petersmiler
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:22 AM
Richard's quote was so good and true,that I just had to put it in my signature.

I'm glad your life is now complete.

Just because Richard appears to be "right", it doesn't he should ever be saying these things, as a player's father and coach.

He is and has always been classless. Of course no one's taking him seriously, again that doesn't mean he can be excused for being a rude ass.

And of course the hypocritical Williams fans find him oh-so-funny, but if anyone makes the slightest comment towards the sisters they are foaming at the mouth from anger. Pathetic bunch of insecure idiots. :lol:

It's those double standards we keep hearing so much about.

Calypso
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:23 AM
Love Rena and Vee but I'm no Richard fan although he can be right about some things. He just talks too much and they obviously don't want to share.


Agree.

RVD
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:23 AM
Just because Richard appears to be "right", it doesn't he should ever be saying these things, as a player's father and coach.

He is and has always been classless. Of course no one's taking him seriously, again that doesn't mean he can be excused for being a rude ass.

And of course the hypocritical Williams fans find him oh-so-funny, but if anyone makes the slightest comment towards the sisters they are foaming at the mouth from anger. Pathetic bunch of insecure idiots. :lol:And of course you are sooo full of class, judging from this oh-so-eloquent and diplomatic post. :hehehe:
:haha: :haha:
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Sam L
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:27 AM
Richard Williams saw the vulnerability in Justine after playing Serena.This is what he said after the match.


"Watching Justine, she seems to be very a timid person," Richard said. "When she loses a point or gets behind, she can't stop looking at the stands. That's not as tough as I thought she was, and after watching Serena play her today, I'd say she's about as mentally tough as a duck on a dry lake. I thought she was as mentally tough as a duck in wet water but that is not true at all. You see her look up in the stands and have that sorrowful look on her face. That is scary. I wouldn't want to coach no one like that."

Source?

We always hear about Richard said this and said that but there's never a source.

:confused:

juju4porsche
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:33 AM
Richard Williams saw the vulnerability in Justine after playing Serena.This is what he said after the match.


"Watching Justine, she seems to be very a timid person," Richard said. "When she loses a point or gets behind, she can't stop looking at the stands. That's not as tough as I thought she was, and after watching Serena play her today, I'd say she's about as mentally tough as a duck on a dry lake. I thought she was as mentally tough as a duck in wet water but that is not true at all. You see her look up in the stands and have that sorrowful look on her face. That is scary. I wouldn't want to coach no one like that."

how much intelligence must have someone around such a thing to state?!
Does he really said this about justine? I can`t believe it!
It would be a dishonor.

MistyGrey
Jul 7th, 2007, 09:54 AM
Its Richard Williams, I dont expect sane comments from that guy! :tape:

moby
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:02 AM
This also makes no sense. What exactly are you trying to say? :???: Why not just come out and make your point?
But if it makes you feel any better...
...this is also why there's chocolate and vanilla ice cream. ;) And I'll stick with my chocolate ice cream, thankyouverymuch.
DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT TALKING RACE HERE FOLKS.What I'm trying to say that is that Williams fans (in general) like their favourites because they're confident, think they're the best, and always feel ready to take on the world. That's fine of course.

Justine fans on the other hand... I don't speak for all of us, but I think one reason we love Justine is because she's vulnerable, not just physically, but also emotionally. She's uptight, insecure and always will be. There's a great deal of doubt in her attitude towards her game. But through it all there's resilience. When she fails and she does often, she acknowledges it and she tries even harder. That is her courage and strength.

juju4porsche
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:12 AM
What I'm trying to say that is that Williams fans (in general) like their favourites because they're confident, think they're the best, and always feel ready to take on the world. That's fine of course.

Justine fans on the other hand... I don't speak for all of us, but I think one reason we love Justine is because she's vulnerable, not just physically, but also emotionally. She's uptight, insecure and always will be. There's a great deal of doubt in her attitude towards her game. But through it all there's resilience. When she fails and she does often, she acknowledges it and she tries even harder. That is her courage and strength.

soooo coooool moby!
100% agree

ASV_FAN
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:27 AM
I don't find the comments shocking in the slightest re: Justine's marriage. She's clearly an incredibly ruthless person and I would imagine rather cold. Although no-one has hard evidence as to why her marriage ended, I don't hesitate to believe that if it was affecting her tennis she would've ended it.

ce
Jul 7th, 2007, 10:33 AM
:lol:

Edward.
Jul 7th, 2007, 11:21 AM
He's an obnoxious asshole.

Yuri Sharapov may have his haters, but he isn't a jerk who shows outright disrespect to his daughters opponents.

ampers&
Jul 7th, 2007, 12:26 PM
LOL @ people blaming the media for Richard being an obnoxious asshole.
He has no tact and often seems to yap off at the mouth without even thinking about the consequences. He's often crass and rude and I don't think it's funny at all.

But that's just Richard, right? :worship: He sure knows how to get people worked up!!!!! :haha: :haha:
NO ONE DOES IT LIKE RICHARD!!!!!! :worship::worship::worship:

:rolleyes:.

Thank God for Oracene. :)

azinna
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:04 PM
12 pages and no link, no source, not even a description of an interview overheard?

Not saying that the comments didn't happen....just asking for verification.

acetoace
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:10 PM
Oh I don't take him seriously. I just think he's an idiot and I have no respect whatsoever for him, and I think I'm allowed to say that.

......like Richard gives a flying F**K what you think of him huh? You don't even exist as far as he is concerned. Talk of different strokes. We read the same quote.....but interprete it differently. I agree 100% with Richard's statement. How about that? Rick is bold to spit out whatever he thinks; unlike many of you hypocrites who say worst things in your mind and head day in and day out about his children and family. I very much prefer Richard to most phonies on this board.

Bijoux0021
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:17 PM
......like Richard gives a flying F**K what you think of him huh? You don't even exist as far as he is concerned. Talk of different strokes. We read the same quote.....but interprete it differently. I agree 100% with Richard's statement. How about that? Rick is bold to spit out whatever he thinks; unlike many of you hypocrites who say worst things in your mind and head day in and day out about his children and family. I very much prefer Richard to most phonies on this board.
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Conor
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Richard Williams saw the vulnerability in Justine after playing Serena.This is what he said after the match.


"Watching Justine, she seems to be very a timid person," Richard said. "When she loses a point or gets behind, she can't stop looking at the stands. That's not as tough as I thought she was, and after watching Serena play her today, I'd say she's about as mentally tough as a duck on a dry lake. I thought she was as mentally tough as a duck in wet water but that is not true at all. You see her look up in the stands and have that sorrowful look on her face. That is scary. I wouldn't want to coach no one like that."

:o As if Justine cares what he thinks...

Stamp Paid
Jul 7th, 2007, 01:43 PM
He's an obnoxious asshole.

Yuri Sharapov may have his haters, but he isn't a jerk who shows outright disrespect to his daughters opponents.I'm not defending Richard, because I dont like him at all, but Yuri really is no better. He may not have outright disrespected one of his daughter's opponents to the press before, but he has been rude and disrespectful to other players.

hablo
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:34 PM
I'm not defending Richard, because I dont like him at all, but Yuri really is no better. He may not have outright disrespected one of his daughter's opponents to the press before, but he has been rude and disrespectful to other players.

Especially during matches. I still remember what he did to Myskina that got her so angry.

Apoleb
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:45 PM
......like Richard gives a flying F**K what you think of him huh? You don't even exist as far as he is concerned. Talk of different strokes. We read the same quote.....but interprete it differently. I agree 100% with Richard's statement. How about that? Rick is bold to spit out whatever he thinks; unlike many of you hypocrites who say worst things in your mind and head day in and day out about his children and family. I very much prefer Richard to most phonies on this board.

Well, if I think he's an idiot, then I also think you're totally retarded. I won't even bother making a proper rebuttal, cause what you wrote is certainly not worth it.

It's so funny seeing the Richard apologetics hiding behind the "oh Richard is being Richard. :worship: :lol: :lol: :lol: ".

Beny
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:40 PM
I thought Richard was as bright as anyone of us but now I know he is as stupid as nobody..

No Name Face
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:50 PM
gotta love richard williams.

when he said venus would win wimbledon early last week, i had thought he meant serena, but apparently he knew something i did not.
justine is not that mentally tough...if she was, she would have tied serena in the year she made all four GS finals instead of just one.

Melly Flew Us
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:09 PM
That's why you are a Williams fan, and we are Justine fans.

The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. - F. Scott Fitzgerald
//
What I'm trying to say that is that Williams fans (in general) like their favourites because they're confident, think they're the best, and always feel ready to take on the world. That's fine of course.

Justine fans on the other hand... I don't speak for all of us, but I think one reason we love Justine is because she's vulnerable, not just physically, but also emotionally. She's uptight, insecure and always will be. There's a great deal of doubt in her attitude towards her game. But through it all there's resilience. When she fails and she does often, she acknowledges it and she tries even harder. That is her courage and strength.
because you didn't add more to your quote it seemed that your implication was that williams fans are stupid.

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise." fitzgerald.

gladysharon
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:13 PM
and now people try to think and find reasons of why Justine isnt winning...

:rolleyes: that's really lame.

harloo
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:18 PM
And what do you make of Richard standing and yelling every friggin time? Don't you think he's also communicating something through it?

Richard couldn't stay seated throughout Serena's match but at no time was he ever accused of illegal coaching. And trust me if he was giving Serena any signals then ESPN and the commentators would pan right in on it like they do everything involving Richard.:)

moby
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:26 PM
because you didn't add more to your quote it seemed that your implication was that williams fans are stupid.

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise." fitzgerald.My fault. Besides, my entire post was directed solely to the particular poster who was adamant that vulnerability and strength were mutually exclusive and not the whole Williams fanbase. My point was that not only can this apparent contradiction be resolved, but that the resolution also follows from cogent thinking, and that his failing to appreciate Justine could largely be because she is such an enigma.

In any case, I think the poster in question understands my perspective now.

harloo
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:26 PM
justine is not that mentally tough...if she was, she would have tied serena in the year she made all four GS finals instead of just one.

This is what continues to baffle me where the praise of Henin's mental toughness is concerned. I have heard little to any criticism of Justine losing those three slam finals where obviously she was the favorite. Justine is a great player indeed but she should of surpassed Serena in the slam count by now. The fact that Serena or Venus wasn't even playing at championship level during that period and Justine still couldn't take advantage is very telling of her mentality.

vejh
Jul 9th, 2007, 02:44 AM
It was telling of her mentality at those times. I think it just shows that she's human (and she should NEVER play warm-up tournies the week before a GS). Maybe she wasn't criticised on this board (GM) since a lot of folks wanted her to lose anywayz, but she's been criticized and empathized with for her decline at last Wimby (2006), and her failure to show up in USO final 2006.

I don't see why she should have surpassed Serena in slam count at all. Serena and Venus aren't the only good players on tour.lol Nor has Ju been in 'championship' form herself for all these slams. Life happens.