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Farrow
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:33 PM
Maybe Ana should just retire. I can't stand this anymore. I just can't.

I thought the same thing :(

HowardH
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:35 PM
Ana was too passive and allowed Kleybanova to dominate too many points. She didn't attack enough to keep Alisa on the back foot, or to get used to attacking. Because she is so often behind in points now there is more pressure on her when she has a chance to do something with the ball, and as a result she misses a lot of attacks. It seems to be so difficult for Ana to ever fix the toss- she seems to simply not understand the technique, either that or under pressure she cannot avoid lapsing into her old technique. However the tie is not over, there is a chance for Serbia to win. But I was more interested in seeing if Ana could actually play better than in the result of the overall tie. Even if they somehow win the tie overall I don't think I can feel very good about Ana's play. Kleybanova was very good though.

Mixo
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:40 PM
Maybe Ana should just retire. I can't stand this anymore. I just can't.

That's the only way for us to quit her...

Ooooh, c'mon Ana, look at what you're doing to us. We're asking for your retirement!! It's so cruel... :sad:

The Daviator
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:40 PM
Horrific stuff, will she say in the interview afterwards that she feels she's striking the ball better than a few years ago? :rolls:

This weekend has been the nadir, poor JJ's wins were all for nothing.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:41 PM
Ana was too passive and allowed Kleybanova to dominate too many points. She didn't attack enough to keep Alisa on the back foot, or to get used to attacking. Because she is so often behind in points now there is more pressure on her when she has a chance to do something with the ball, and as a result she misses a lot of attacks. It seems to be so difficult for Ana to ever fix the toss- she seems to simply not understand the technique, either that or under pressure she cannot avoid lapsing into her old technique. However the tie is not over, there is a chance for Serbia to win. But I was more interested in seeing if Ana could actually play better than in the result of the overall tie. Even if they somehow win the tie overall I don't think I can feel very good about Ana's play. Kleybanova was very good though.

Kleybanova was as good as Ana allowed her to be. Ana looks like a club player.. awful footwork, erractic forehand, puff backhand, bad shot selection, spinned puff serve. I fancy my chances of beating her in a match, because almost every ball she sends is a floater.. that is like.. peace cake to attack and make a winner from.. really easy to look good being fed those kind of shots. When she has an easy finish she misses.. and she doesn't hit it harder because she is too afraid of missing, since she is missing all the easy shots.

And the attitude.. throwing the racquet.. swearing at herself.. reminds me very much of Vaidisova's demise. She went from this to not caring.. and this is the progress Ana is making. So sad..

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Horrific stuff, will she say in the interview afterwards that she feels she's striking the ball better than a few years ago? :rolls:

This weekend has been the nadir, poor JJ's wins were all for nothing.

I hope she doesn't say her form is on the rise.. and that it's much better than last year. 1 year ago she played this same player and won.

It was also humiliating.. because she had two beatdowns in front of her home crowd.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:44 PM
At least I don't have to go to tournaments this year. I won't spend any money on this.
All this BS.

If you don't want to play, then don't play. I don't know which excuse she has now, but this is terrible, awful and plain bad at the same time.
In 2005 I became a fan of a talented girl who plays some nice aggressive tennis.
I don't recognise Ana anymore. You can have bad days or an unlucky period or whatsoever.
But this has nothing to do with the Ana I know.

That she still has such an awful balltoss. I don't get it. Is she making fun of us?
And all that blablabla that she's so nervous before her match. What the hell can you be nervous about?
I still had hope the last year(s), but it's less every match. I'm not sure if she even ends top 50 this year. I almost find it funny when she loses.

Just tell me, can you really play this bad when you're really trying?

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:48 PM
Kleybanova was as good as Ana allowed her to be. Ana looks like a club player.. awful footwork, erractic forehand, puff backhand, bad shot selection, spinned puff serve. I fancy my chances of beating her in a match, because almost every ball she sends is a floater.. that is like.. peace cake to attack and make a winner from.. really easy to look good being fed those kind of shots. When she has an easy finish she misses.. and she doesn't hit it harder because she is too afraid of missing, since she is missing all the easy shots.

And the attitude.. throwing the racquet.. swearing at herself.. reminds me very much of Vaidisova's demise. She went from this to not caring.. and this is the progress Ana is making. So sad..

Hey Izzy:wavey:
do you think she mnisses all the shots because of nerves or because or because or footwork? I think the latter more than the former, it looks like she's not even a sportswoman, she's never been the best athlete but since she fired Scott she's amateurish...

dybbuk
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:50 PM
Did she fire Scott? I thought he wanted to stop traveling and settle down.

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:51 PM
Did she fire Scott? I thought he wanted to stop traveling and settle down.

i think i read he's working with Zvonareva now...

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:52 PM
Did she fire Scott? I thought he wanted to stop traveling and settle down.

Well.. he was fast enough to get a job as Zvonareva's full time fitness coach.. so that excuse doesn't convince anyone.

HowardH
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:52 PM
That's true Izzy- she hits way too many floaters now. It was easy for Alisa to remain on the attack. Her slice floats too actually...

Curtos07
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:53 PM
I don't really have much to say about this match. Same old, same old. I'll just say, who ever that lady commentator doing Ana's match, should be in her team and giving her advice because I agree with almost everything she said.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:53 PM
I think we can wave goodbye to Ana..

From Jelenacg's twitter:

Jelenacg

She said she played good.Someone please throw something at her or hit her with something.5 lousy games won in 2 matches at home 2 minutes ago from mobile web

:o

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:54 PM
I don't really have much to say about this match. Same old, same old. I'll just say, who ever that lady commentator doing Ana's match, should be in her team and giving her advice because I agree with almost everything she said.

Yes.. and she actually cares for Ana.. it was like.. "Ana is such a sweet girl, I want to help her!"

dybbuk
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:55 PM
:o Oh Ana.

Nikkiri
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:56 PM
:sad:

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:56 PM
Hey Izzy:wavey:
do you think she mnisses all the shots because of nerves or because or because or footwork? I think the latter more than the former, it looks like she's not even a sportswoman, she's never been the best athlete but since she fired Scott she's amateurish...

I think it's all in her head.. She is suffering every time she plays tennis. When you are nervous, there are two things that go down: The footwork and the serve. And that is the worse in Ana's game, though everything looks back.

But yeah.. she doesn't even look fit.

BackSpin
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:57 PM
Alisa/ svetlana vs jelena/ ana:help::lol::sad:

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:57 PM
I think we can wave goodbye to Ana..

From Jelenacg's twitter:



:o

yes she's really delusional now:help: I was also thinking that also Vaidisova had a footwork problem or regression, like she was barely moving on court... they can't expect to hit the ball in if they don't move their feet, maybe they just got lazy/fed up with training? I can imagine the hardships of being a pro and i can totally understand them if they don't want it anymore, but at least don't fool yourself...

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:58 PM
At least I don't have to go to tournaments this year. I won't spend any money on this.
All this BS.

If you don't want to play, then don't play. I don't know which excuse she has now, but this is terrible, awful and plain bad at the same time.
In 2005 I became a fan of a talented girl who plays some nice aggressive tennis.
I don't recognise Ana anymore. You can have bad days or an unlucky period or whatsoever.
But this has nothing to do with the Ana I know.

That she still has such an awful balltoss. I don't get it. Is she making fun of us?
And all that blablabla that she's so nervous before her match. What the hell can you be nervous about?
I still had hope the last year(s), but it's less every match. I'm not sure if she even ends top 50 this year. I almost find it funny when she loses.

Just tell me, can you really play this bad when you're really trying?

Ask Vaidisova... :sad:

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:59 PM
I think it's all in her head.. She is suffering every time she plays tennis. When you are nervous, there are two things that go down: The footwork and the serve. And that is the worse in Ana's game, though everything looks back.

But yeah.. she doesn't even look fit.

oh ok, so maybe even the footwork is because of nerves... because i actually think she looks fit. If it's nerves is better because at least she can work with a psychologist when she finally admits it.

Farrow
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:59 PM
I don't really have much to say about this match. Same old, same old. I'll just say, who ever that lady commentator doing Ana's match, should be in her team and giving her advice because I agree with almost everything she said.

Sam Smith could be great for Ana, I think. She desperately needs a good coach.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:00 PM
yes she's really delusional now:help: I was also thinking that also Vaidisova had a footwork problem or regression, like she was barely moving on court... they can't expect to hit the ball in if they don't move their feet, maybe they just got lazy/fed up with training? I can imagine the hardships of being a pro and i can totally understand them if they don't want it anymore, but at least don't fool yourself...

I wish she would just own up.. Want to be a WAG? Then go.. stop tarnishing a once beautiful career.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:03 PM
oh ok, so maybe even the footwork is because of nerves... because i actually think she looks fit. If it's nerves is better because at least she can work with a psychologist when she finally admits it.

Nerves are a lot more difficult to fix.. a lot more.. than technique and footwork.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:08 PM
The doubles is hilarious.

At least Ana is laughing.. she knows they have no chance. :help::lol::tape:

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:09 PM
Nerves are a lot more difficult to fix.. a lot more.. than technique and footwork.

maybe... but she has the talent and physical ability to start with, she just needs to admit to herself that she needs a psychologist;)

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:21 PM
maybe... but she has the talent and physical ability to start with, she just needs to admit to herself that she needs a psychologist;)

she thinks she played well.. do you really think she will admit she needs a psychologist?

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:23 PM
she thinks she played well.. do you really think she will admit she needs a psychologist?

if the choice is that or retiring, i hope she will... her parents don't look happy at all, i hope they will talk some sense in her...

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:24 PM
if the choice is that or retiring, i hope she will... her parents don't look happy at all, i hope they will talk some sense in her...

After yesterday's match, her mom told her not to worry..

I don't think her parents are going to do anything at all.. :shrug:

bruce goose
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:50 PM
After yesterday's match, her mom told her not to worry..

I don't think her parents are going to do anything at all.. :shrug:Yeah,they sure didn't teach her much about problem-solving when she was a kid:rolleyes:

Even though I'm still not convinced that Ana had a serious PHYSICAL injury at Wimbledon(I think it was a psyche injury),I'll acknowledge the possibility.It's just hard to trust someone,even when they're telling the truth,after they've lied so many times.Regardless of whether Ana had a muscle tear or merely a cramp,I think that I can appreciate your theory that Ana blamed the injury for the loss...that,somehow,the 'evil tennis gods' had it in for her.

Though it's ridiculous that Ana would blame her loss on the injury....Venus was 100% outclassing her and would have continued dominating even if Ana hadn't gotten hurt...that mindset is consistent with post-RG 2008 Ana.EVERYthing can be blamed on injuries according to the Ana/Versi B.S. Express.When she sat in an uncomfortable chair following her win over Shenay Perry,Ana's butt got sore.....Wait a minute!!!!The loss to Dulko can be attributed to a 'strained gluteal muscle' now:rolleyes:....Ana is healthy now,for the most part...and she still sucks:sad:.It's starting to dawn on her that,HEY!,maybe it's NOT the injuries,maybe the culprit is the one in the mirror.It must be tough for her when she can't hide behind the injury excuse anymore...when she has to face Reality,her most hated enemy:help:

Nena_xxx
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:56 PM
Ana's main problem is that she doesn't want to play more tournaments. If she would play more, she might have her game back.

Oh, shit Ana is injured!!! Shit

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:15 PM
Ok.. it was funny while it lasted..

Ana was actually not completely awful in doubles. Pity that after she felt something in her shoulder she never made another good volley.

JJ can kill her though...

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:16 PM
By the way.. Ana should play doubles.. at least it looked like she was having a bit of fun.

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:17 PM
Ok.. it was funny while it lasted..

Ana was actually not completely awful in doubles. Pity that after she felt something in her shoulder she never made another good volley.

JJ can kill her though...

it was dizziness NAJ said... I guess nerves again, after which she as usual lost. Same pattern: awful 1st set, goes up in the 2nd set just to lose it fast. So predictable:o

HowardH
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:19 PM
Ana hit some really lovely volleys, but started missing them after that injury scare. Overall I loved Ana's poaching, it was basically the highlight of the match, although Sveta had a lovely serve and volley or two which was very nice, but the bh at the end was really bad :lol:.

Curtos07
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:21 PM
Ana actually played alright in doubles. She should play more often. She looked loose and happy for once on the court. It definitely can't hurt her.

HowardH
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:29 PM
Oh yeah, Ana's smiles were the other highlight of the match :drool:.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:41 PM
Oh yeah, Ana's smiles were the other highlight of the match :drool:.

Yes.. she seemed to be having some fun playing.. she should play doubles for that at least.. maybe it can remind her why she chose to play tennis as a little kid.

In singles she looks so miserable..

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:48 PM
So.. Serbia can face the following countries in the WGI play off in April:

Australia, Estonia, Slovak Republic, Belgium

I hope they get Estonia. Might be their only chance to remain in the World Group I. :help:

jelenacg
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:42 PM
Well that was great Ana :worship:
I promised myself today that i`m not going to watch her matches anymore bc it`s too painful to me :sad: .I will be here and read about it but i`m not planning to watch her play
I`m also sick of seeing her lose against players she use to own .That`s even more tough to see,bc you remember how she used to play against that player and then you have this Ana barely managing to win games against that same player :tape::help:
It`s awful to see :banghead:

I saw she enjoyed playing doubles today ,at least she smiled a lot,that`s nice to see for a change :sobbing:
She and JJ are cute together :hearts: They should play more doubles together :lol:
They might not be best friends but there isn`t any bad blood against them and that`s also nice to see

And Ana has nice touch at the net but we already knew that.Too bad rest of her game sucks big time :sobbing:
I didn`t understand what was that MTO about.She was holding her right shoulder .Any news about that?

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:47 PM
Well that was great Ana :worship:
I promised myself today that i`m not going to watch her matches anymore bc it`s too painful to me :sad: .I will be here and read about it but i`m not planning to watch her play
I`m also sick of seeing her lose against players she use to own .That`s even more tough to see,bc you remember how she used to play against that player and then you have this Ana barely managing to win games against that same player :tape::help:
It`s awful to see :banghead:

I saw she enjoyed playing doubles today ,at least she smiled a lot,that`s nice to see for a change :sobbing:
She and JJ are cute together :hearts: They should play more doubles together :lol:
They might not be best friends but there isn`t any bad blood against them and that`s also nice to see

And Ana has nice touch at the net but we already knew that.Too bad rest of her game sucks big time :sobbing:
I didn`t understand what was that MTO about.She was holding her right shoulder .Any news about that?

Hey Jelena!

I was reading your twitts during the match.. I'm actually more disappointed at her continuing denial. I mean.. how can she possibly ever say she played well is beyond me.

She was grabing her shoulder a lot in that time out... but then someone said it was dizzyness.. I don't know to be honest.

jelenacg
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:52 PM
Also well done to JJ :worship: She really gave her 110% and fought hard :worship:
Too bad Ana is slumping so hard :rolleyes: so JJ fought for nothing
I guess no trophies for Ana this season as well :sad:

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:53 PM
By the way.. I just have to love the titles of articles in the brazilian press...

"Ivanovic gets trashed and Serbia loses"

"Ivanovic loses tie for Serbia"

"Ivanovic receives second beatdown of the weekend"

:tape:

Sad.. but true.. :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:55 PM
Also well done to JJ :worship: She really gave her 110% and fought hard :worship:
Too bad Ana is slumping so hard :rolleyes: so JJ fought for nothing
I guess no trophies for Ana this season as well :sad:

Maybe she can get a toy trophy in Toys R Us when she hits the US. :tape::spit:

jelenacg
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:59 PM
Hey Jelena!

I was reading your twitts during the match.. I'm actually more disappointed at her continuing denial. I mean.. how can she possibly ever say she played well is beyond me.

She was grabing her shoulder a lot in that time out... but then someone said it was dizzyness.. I don't know to be honest.

Ana has a selective memory so she only remembers what she wants.:rolleyes: Or she is just saying her usual bullshit for the press
Ana can play 1,2 games good ,she can even play a few points great just to remind you what she use to be and what she is capable of :sobbing: Then she goes to her usual slump and loses 3 or 4 games in a row

There was even some man touching her shoulder :scared: I hope everything is ok bc that shoulder is so fragile even if she doesn`t say anything about it .

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:08 PM
Ana has a selective memory so she only remembers what she wants.:rolleyes: Or she is just saying her usual bullshit for the press
Ana can play 1,2 games good ,she can even play a few points great just to remind you what she use to be and what she is capable of :sobbing: Then she goes to her usual slump and loses 3 or 4 games in a row

There was even some man touching her shoulder :scared: I hope everything is ok bc that shoulder is so fragile even if she doesn`t say anything about it .

Sam Smith said it great today at the broadcast.. she said Ana can play 1 point well, but then have 10 mishits or Ues.. because she is going only for the brilliant shots. She has no middle game at the moment.

Yes, the shoulder looks so fragile..

bruce goose
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:25 PM
An invitation to my favorite brainy,opinionated damas:):

The SB starts in about 2 1/2 hours and,Izzy,if you enjoyed last season's excellent game,then THIS one should please you even more.

We're looking at two of the sport's most high-scoring potent offenses going against less-than-elite defenses,so there should be PLENTY of action.The Colts' defense has done fairly well vs. methodical,more physical offensive units,but they've been badly exploited in every matchup with more versatile,wide open attacks,and the Saints have the most explosive offense in the NFL...plus the Colts will be missing their anchor on the defensive line,Freeney,whose knee has given out on him.

On the other side,the Saints' defense creates lots of big plays with a fast-paced,gambling style,but they also leave some opportunities for their opponents with that high-risk strategy,and the Colts' quarterback,Manning,is one of the best ever--if not THE best--at exploiting such openings.

I'll be shocked if the game isn't a high-scoring one,nd there's a sentimental angle in the Saints' favor as their city of New Orleans has really rallied behind them as symbolic of the attempt to bounce back from the damage of Hurricane Katrina.

Ana posted that she'd be cheering for the Saints since she wants to attend Mardi Gras this year--and would prefer to do that in a championship city.

A portion of this post was factually untrue;):p....

SOA_MC
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:39 PM
I think we can wave goodbye to Ana..

From Jelenacg's twitter:



:o

Wish I could live in Ana Wonderland nothing bad ever happens there :D

To think about it, Steven King could title his next novel "Ana's Wonderland" since Ana's life is playing out like one of his novels :o

:secret: minus the monsters

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Wish I could live in Ana Wonderland nothing bad ever happens there :D

To think about it, Steven King could title his next novel "Ana's Wonderland" since Ana's life is playing out like one of his novels :o

:secret: minus the monsters

:spit:

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:58 PM
Did Ana really say this:

Ivanovic, the former No. 1 who has dropped to 23rd in the WTA rankings after a string of poor results since winning the French Open in 2008, again struggled on her serve against the 31st-ranked Kleybanova and committed 51 unforced errors.

“I tried to play more aggressively, but I’m struggling psychologically,” a teary-eyed Ivanovic said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news?slug=ap-serbia-russia&prov=ap&type=lgns

She indeed is struggling psychologically.. but I wouldn't expect her to actually say it. Either way.. if she knows it, what is she doing to help herself? :help:

Pops Maellard
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:01 PM
:eek: Can't believe Ana said that. This is big.

It's like an alcoholic admitting it for the first time...

-NAJ-
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:06 PM
even after doubles she said that she played good today against Alisa :banghead:

Pops Maellard
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:12 PM
even after doubles she said that she played good today against Alisa :banghead:
:cuckoo: So much for "I'm struggling psychologically".

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:17 PM
even after doubles she said that she played good today against Alisa :banghead:

http://mimg.ugo.com/200910/11727/facepalm.jpg

Isn't there anyone there to tell her she was awful?

Pops Maellard
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:19 PM
Nole must tell Ana she's awful once we get open letter to him. :p I was a bit hesitant about the idea at first but now I'm more sure than ever. :(

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:26 PM
Ok.. so this situation is obviously very serious.. and it's not going to be fixed from day to night or if she keeps the current approach she has to her tennis. So I hope Ana loses in the first round of Dubai, Indian Wells and Miami. She would fall to 60 in the world.. Maybe then she will see she is not going the right way nor doing the right things.. and will recommit and change things for the clay season. That doesn't mean things would be good for clay.. but I would hope she would at least stop the downward spiral.

jelenacg
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:31 PM
Ok.. so this situation is obviously very serious.. and it's not going to be fixed from day to night or if she keeps the current approach she has to her tennis. So I hope Ana loses in the first round of Dubai, Indian Wells and Miami. She would fall to 60 in the world.. Maybe then she will see she is not going the right way nor doing the right things.. and will recommit and change things for the clay season. That doesn't mean things would be good for clay.. but I would hope she would at least stop the downward spiral.

Cheering very hard for that :worship::worship:
She needs it :worship:
Then she will at least add more tournaments

16 tournaments :o:o:o
Who does she think she is ? Steffi Graf :rolleyes:

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:39 PM
Cheering very hard for that :worship::worship:
She needs it :worship:
Then she will at least add more tournaments

16 tournaments :o:o:o
Who does she think she is ? Steffi Graf :rolleyes:

I seriously don't know what their logic is... :shrug: It makes no sense..

SOA_MC
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:40 PM
Isn't there anyone there to tell her she was awful?

You think JJ would be at least making of her but nup even she feels sorry for Ana :rolleyes:

btw I still have a little hope for the clay season :unsure: admittedly a little of the hope is based on the surface brings down alot of players :o

bruce goose
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:40 PM
16 tournaments :o:o:o
Who does she think she is ? Steffi Graf :rolleyes:

Ummmmm....You need to go to Ana's List Thread,Jelena;I entered a positive list first...and then,later,I entered "List of Ana's Worst Excuses and Rationalizations".Number 2 is the one where she compares herself to Steffi in terms of mental toughness:o:o:o

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:43 PM
i read in an interview that Ana said she doesn't know how to manage her free time, she says she reads and watches movies a lot but she spends too much time in her room and she's not able to do activities that can take her mind out of tennis, like even simply going for a walk. I guess this is a common struggle of many tennis players...:o

Farrow
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:49 PM
Did Ana really say this:



http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news?slug=ap-serbia-russia&prov=ap&type=lgns

She indeed is struggling psychologically.. but I wouldn't expect her to actually say it. Either way.. if she knows it, what is she doing to help herself? :help:

I hope she did say it - she really needs to realise what's going on.

Her team are obviously pathetic. The Adidas scheme is not working for her.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:49 PM
i read in an interview that Ana said she doesn't know how to manage her free time, she says she reads and watches movies a lot but she spends too much time in her room and she's not able to do activities that can take her mind out of tennis, like even simply going for a walk. I guess this is a common struggle of many tennis players...:o

Funny.. it that interview to the serbian TV RTS, Ana said she is adding a lot of off court things to her life.. and that she is doing a lot more things..

I think that she is pushing tennis away, and that she has it in a bad spot in her head right now. What she needs to do is remember why she started to play tennis in the first place.. how she loves it.. and rededicate herself.. really go for it, and focus on it. She is just not into tennis right now..

It was obvious today.. In singles, she looked completely miserable. Then she went on to play doubles, and it was clear she doesn't take it seriously, so she was able to have fun with it. She needs to be able to have fun in singles while taking it as what it is, her profession. Be professional about it.

jelenacg
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:52 PM
You think JJ would be at least making of her but nup even she feels sorry for Ana :rolleyes:

btw I still have a little hope for the clay season :unsure: admittedly a little of the hope is based on the surface brings down alot of players :o

Ana is a sweetheart so no one really dares to tell something awful about her and even when someone dares to say something it`s always well written.I bet if there was someone else in her shoes ,he/she would get a lot more negative articles :rolleyes:
And if you want her to do better on clay ,you should start cheering for her to lose early in next tournaments so that she will add more tournaments during clay season
Bc only 2 tournaments before RG is just :tape::tape:

Ummmmm....You need to go to Ana's List Thread,Jelena;I entered a positive list first...and then,later,I entered "List of Ana's Worst Excuses and Rationalizations".Number 2 is the one where she compares herself to Steffi in terms of mental toughness:o:o:o

I forgot about that :lol::worship:

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:54 PM
You think JJ would be at least making of her but nup even she feels sorry for Ana :rolleyes:

btw I still have a little hope for the clay season :unsure: admittedly a little of the hope is based on the surface brings down alot of players :o

Ana's level of play is so poor at the moment, and her footwork so awful, I don't think she would have any success on clay either.

She needs to stop the downward spiral.. because she is playing worse each match.

And everyone feels sorry for Ana.. I remember Safarova said she felt sorry for her after beating her last year. Every commentator around is offering to give her a call and help out...

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:57 PM
Funny.. it that interview to the serbian TV RTS, Ana said she is adding a lot of off court things to her life.. and that she is doing a lot more things..

I think that she is pushing tennis away, and that she has it in a bad spot in her head right now. What she needs to do is remember why she started to play tennis in the first place.. how she loves it.. and rededicate herself.. really go for it, and focus on it. She is just not into tennis right now..

It was obvious today.. In singles, she looked completely miserable. Then she went on to play doubles, and it was clear she doesn't take it seriously, so she was able to have fun with it. She needs to be able to have fun in singles while taking it as what it is, her profession. Be professional about it.

that's what she's probably doing, trying to diversify her life from tennis. I don't know what to say, the Williams sisters did that with great success, but Graf for example was focusing only tennis and achieved GOAT status... it really depends on the single person, I agree with her that she needs to find a balance in her life, probably she's not the type that can do tennis 24/24.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:00 PM
that's what she's probably doing, trying to diversify her life from tennis. I don't know what to say, the Williams sisters did that with great success, but Graf for example was focusing only tennis and achieved GOAT status... it really depends on the single person, I agree with her that she needs to find a balance in her life, probably she's not the type that can do tennis 24/24.

I have the opposite view.. For me, Ana is not the type that can have success if she doesn't fully dedicate herself. I don't think she is mature enough to handle having a lot of stuff to think about. It makes her less focus, less intense...

And look at how much WAGing she did during the off season.. such a crucial time for her year (and career)... She has no idea how to do balance.

Orbis
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:01 PM
lol @ redesigned official website. What exactly was the inspiration for that? Anyway, I think a long break would help Ana most.

bruce goose
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:03 PM
i read in an interview that Ana said she doesn't know how to manage her free time, she says she reads and watches movies a lot but she spends too much time in her room and she's not able to do activities that can take her mind out of tennis, like even simply going for a walk. I guess this is a common struggle of many tennis players...:oLuca,welcome back....Princess Craig really missed you:lol:

This might sound harsh,but I don't think that Ana even knows who she IS on some levels.It seems clear to me that Dragana and Pop focused all their energies on coddling Ana and making her a great tennis player...and did NOTHING to prepare her for real life.Ana occasionally posts that she's learned a lot from her parents:rolleyes:;I'd like to see her give us an example of one of these 'lessons' that have given her SOOO much wisdom and common sense.

I'd say that both Ana and Nicole V. are going through a delayed adolescence;they focus so much on tennis when they're 16 and 17 that they can't live like normal teenagers...and THEN they start acting that way when they're in their 20s cuz they're craving what they missed out on.Ana is 3 years older than Caro yet LESS mature.She's learning everything on the fly cuz she apparently doesn't have any core values to give her a strong foundation when life gets difficult.Why WOULD she have any when her parents didn't teach them to her??....only sending her to tennis training and hoping for the best??

jelenacg
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:03 PM
Funny.. it that interview to the serbian TV RTS, Ana said she is adding a lot of off court things to her life.. and that she is doing a lot more things..

I think that she is pushing tennis away, and that she has it in a bad spot in her head right now. What she needs to do is remember why she started to play tennis in the first place.. how she loves it.. and rededicate herself.. really go for it, and focus on it. She is just not into tennis right now..

It was obvious today.. In singles, she looked completely miserable. Then she went on to play doubles, and it was clear she doesn't take it seriously, so she was able to have fun with it. She needs to be able to have fun in singles while taking it as what it is, her profession. Be professional about it.

Yes i told you that last night
She explained that by the fact that women are always in their rooms ,always thinking about tennis ,always resting and relaxing before the match.Guys on the other hand do many more things so that`s why they have a longer career and you have women retiring very early

She is right about some things ,tennis can`t be your whole life but it has to be your main focus
And to Ana it isn`t.Not to mention that just bc some things work for guys well they don`t have to work for girls at all

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:05 PM
lol @ redesigned official website. What exactly was the inspiration for that? Anyway, I think a long break would help Ana most.

she had a long break already, like 3 months? A longer break would mean retirement/hiatus, after which how could she come back to high levels? she's not Clijsters/Henin...

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:05 PM
lol @ redesigned official website. What exactly was the inspiration for that? Anyway, I think a long break would help Ana most.

I don't think a long break will help her at all. She took 4 months off, and she came back playing worse then ever.. so that is not the solution. She needs a whole different approach to her career.. the one she has now has her doing things that she thinks will help, but that will only further hurt her game.

About the web.. I think they are preparing Ana's new career, since tennis doesn't work. She is the new serbian pop star! :tape:

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:08 PM
Yes i told you that last night
She explained that by the fact that women are always in their rooms ,always thinking about tennis ,always resting and relaxing before the match.Guys on the other hand do many more things so that`s why they have a longer career and you have women retiring very early

She is right about some things ,tennis can`t be your whole life but it has to be your main focus
And to Ana it isn`t.Not to mention that just bc some things work for guys well they don`t have to work for girls at all

i can totally understand her in this though, women also can be such *itches:lol: sorry to the girls but it's true, i can only imagine the level of gossip and cattiness in the women tour and how Ana does not want any of it:o

Orbis
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:10 PM
I don't think a long break will help her at all. She took 4 months off, and she came back playing worse then ever.. so that is not the solution. She needs a whole different approach to her career.. the one she has now has her doing things that she thinks will help, but that will only further hurt her game.

About the web.. I think they are preparing Ana's new career, since tennis doesn't work. She is the new serbian pop star! :tape:

Yeah, what's up with that? :lol: Well I'm through trying to suggest ways to improve Ana's game, in the end she can only decide what's best for herself. If she's going to keep forcing herself on court and putting on these pained performances, then that won't help her at all. Her attitude is terrible, I wish she could just look like she's having fun once in a while. More doubles?

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:15 PM
Yeah, what's up with that? :lol: Well I'm through trying to suggest ways to improve Ana's game, in the end she can only decide what's best for herself. If she's going to keep forcing herself on court and putting on these pained performances, then that won't help her at all. Her attitude is terrible, I wish she could just look like she's having fun once in a while. More doubles?

I think more doubles could help...

I wish she would just play for fun.. it's not like she is winning playing all miserable.. so just try to play for fun, like it's practice.. and whatever happens, just happens.

jelenacg
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:15 PM
I don't think a long break will help her at all. She took 4 months off, and she came back playing worse then ever.. so that is not the solution. She needs a whole different approach to her career.. the one she has now has her doing things that she thinks will help, but that will only further hurt her game.

About the web.. I think they are preparing Ana's new career, since tennis doesn't work. She is the new serbian pop star! :tape:

:singer:Ajde :singer:

:sobbing::sobbing:
Her web is awful :o

i can totally understand her in this though, women also can be such *itches:lol: sorry to the girls but it's true, i can only imagine the level of gossip and cattiness in the women tour and how Ana does not want any of it:o

So she is willing to be in women`s tour when she is playing well but when she isn`t that bothers her
Isn`t that acting like a coward :rolleyes:

spiritedenergy
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:19 PM
Luca,welcome back....Princess Craig really missed you:lol:

This might sound harsh,but I don't think that Ana even knows who she IS on some levels.It seems clear to me that Dragana and Pop focused all their energies on coddling Ana and making her a great tennis player...and did NOTHING to prepare her for real life.Ana occasionally posts that she's learned a lot from her parents:rolleyes:;I'd like to see her give us an example of one of these 'lessons' that have given her SOOO much wisdom and common sense.

I'd say that both Ana and Nicole V. are going through a delayed adolescence;they focus so much on tennis when they're 16 and 17 that they can't live like normal teenagers...and THEN they start acting that way when they're in their 20s cuz they're craving what they missed out on.Ana is 3 years older than Caro yet LESS mature.She's learning everything on the fly cuz she apparently doesn't have any core values to give her a strong foundation when life gets difficult.Why WOULD she have any when her parents didn't teach them to her??....only sending her to tennis training and hoping for the best??

thanks Bruce, you bet:lol: I see he (she?) is now a fan of Serena, talk about bandwagon:tape::help:

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:45 PM
I'm actually curious about the new excuses. I mean.. Ana has never played worse in her entire career.. She won't be seeded in Dubai, I doubt she will do much there.. then IW is disaster in the making.. Miami was never a good tournament for her as well. So... falling to around 60 in the world is something they won't be able to hide. I'm wondering what sort of excuse they will create.. because after each embarrassing loss, there was an excuse last year.. we just know there will be this time around as well.

jelenacg
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:54 PM
I'm actually curious about the new excuses. I mean.. Ana has never played worse in her entire career.. She won't be seeded in Dubai, I doubt she will do much there.. then IW is disaster in the making.. Miami was never a good tournament for her as well. So... falling to around 60 in the world is something they won't be able to hide. I'm wondering what sort of excuse they will create.. because after each embarrassing loss, there was an excuse last year.. we just know there will be this time around as well.

I want to hear her say she played good and that she is improving after she drops to #70 :lol:
I can`t wait for that moment :lol: Maybe they and especially Ana will understand they need to change something :rolleyes:

Oh and i hope Ana, you will have many sleepless night bc of losing this tie for Serbia :ras::ras:
Bc JJ did die on court only for you to lose everything :ras::ras:
Since early exits at GSs and regular tournaments can`t hurt her anymore i hope this hurts her hard and that she keeps on feeling guilty

The 2nd Law
Feb 8th, 2010, 12:14 AM
Once again, glad I missed it. I'm proud of/happy for Jelena though.


My thoughts basically echoe everyone else's:
-Hire a full time psychologist. Enough said.
-NEW coaching team, they are half the problem imo. Sven might have been good for her once upon a time, but not anymore.
-NO BREAK, play more, play SMALLER events. Matchplay, matchplay and more matchplay.
-Play doubles

bruce goose
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:38 AM
:woohoo:All hail the Super Bowl Champion Saints:worship:!!!Mardi Gras is gonna start a little early in New Orleans this year:p,and Ana is welcome to the party:)...as long as she promises to not injure herself during the celebration:eek:

Tomorrow,the Rescue Our Ana Express heads on track to Castle Djokovic in Serbia:cool:.I'm the travel co-ordinator and we already have Aaron(TV Tennis)and Ana 2010'ovic on board.The worst thing that can happen is that Nole turns us down,but we're hoping for the BEST outcome:To have Sleeping Beauty/Ana awakened from her slumber.WE'RE IN IT TO WIN IT!!ALL ABOARD!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:43 AM
:woohoo:All hail the Super Bowl Champion Saints:worship:!!!Mardi Gras is gonna start a little early in New Orleans this year:p,and Ana is welcome to the party:)...as long as she promises to not injure herself during the celebration:eek:

Tomorrow,the Rescue Our Ana Express heads on track to Castle Djokovic in Serbia:cool:.I'm the travel co-ordinator and we already have Aaron(TV Tennis)and Ana 2010'ovic on board.The worst thing that can happen is that Nole turns us down,but we're hoping for the BEST outcome:To have Sleeping Beauty/Ana awakened from her slumber.WE'RE IN IT TO WIN IT!!ALL ABOARD!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:
The superbowl has finished already?

bruce goose
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:49 AM
The superbowl has finished already?Well,I posted when there were still a couple minutes left b/c I was that confident of victory....but as of right now,yes,it's over,and the city of New Orleans has its first ever professional sports championship:)

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2010, 02:00 AM
Well,I posted when there were still a couple minutes left b/c I was that confident of victory....but as of right now,yes,it's over,and the city of New Orleans has its first ever professional sports championship:)
Wow cool. :cool:

So we'll start tomorrow. ;)

bruce goose
Feb 8th, 2010, 02:10 AM
Wow cool. :cool:

So we'll start tomorrow. ;)Yep:bounce:

The 2nd Law
Feb 8th, 2010, 03:02 AM
Now that New Orleans won I have the song "House of the Rising Sun" in my head :lol:



"There is a house, in New Orleans ..."

hellas719
Feb 8th, 2010, 04:03 AM
Ana :hug:

Chrissie-fan
Feb 8th, 2010, 09:43 AM
What Ana needs to do is play a few minor events with weak players in the draw so that she can get some wins under her belt and build up her confidence again. She may say in public that she's playing well, but I'm sure that deep down inside she knows that she's only the shadow of the player she was a few years ago.

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2010, 10:31 AM
Your rep is mean Chrissie-fan. :( I've been keeping to my word and haven't made anymore pusher talk. :p

Davodus
Feb 8th, 2010, 10:33 AM
What Ana needs to do is play a few minor events with weak players in the draw so that she can get some wins under her belt and build up her confidence again. She may say in public that she's playing well, but I'm sure that deep down inside she knows that she's only the shadow of the player she was a few years ago.

More minor events is exactly what she needs, but unfortunately her and her team don't think so. Her schedule is identical to last year, with no minor events on it :o She needs to rethink and revise that.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 8th, 2010, 10:52 AM
Your rep is mean Chrissie-fan. :( I've been keeping to my word and haven't made anymore pusher talk. :p
I didn't know you would object to another green dot, TVTennis. Besides, it's all tongue in cheek and if anything I'm making fun of my own fave instead of yours.;)

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2010, 11:01 AM
I didn't know you would object to another green dot, TVTennis. Besides, it's all tongue in cheek and if anything I'm making fun of my own fave instead of yours.;)
:haha: It's alright. :hug: My name's Aaron BTW. :)

Chrissie-fan
Feb 8th, 2010, 11:12 AM
:haha: It's alright. :hug: My name's Aaron BTW. :)
Mine is Gaston, although I've been referred to as Chrissie on these boards. :lol:

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2010, 11:35 AM
Mine is Gaston, although I've been referred to as Chrissie on these boards. :lol:
:)

gaviotabr
Feb 8th, 2010, 12:22 PM
Stephany Myles at the Open Court blog has a very interesting post on Fed Cup. It's long, so I'll highlight Ana's part:


Fed Cup 1st round - Russia def. Serbia 3-2

RUSSIA tied with SERBIA 1-1 (after Saturday's play)

This one was by far the most eagerly-anticipated first-round tie - not only because of the potential star power on both sides, but because it's in Serbia and guaranteed to get by far the biggest crowd.

The drama began on the Serbian side with Jankovic, who flamed out early in Australia on the coattails of her now omnipresent cold n' sniffles, playing possum about her participation in the tie.

A long confessional on her web site Monday made it all the more dramatic for the ultimate drama queen. You can find it here; here are some excerpts (start the violins version of the Serbian national anthem now, please). To be fair, it was probably translated literally from Serbian.

"No, I haven't come to Belgrade yet, and I'm still in Florida, where I'm fighting with back injury received in Melbourne. I didn't want to speak in public about the problems that struck me in Australia, about the cold and the back injury that occurred during a practice while trying to change the way I served, because many would describe it to as a justification for the lost match. (Well, she was pretty clear about it Down Under, so we're not sure what secrets she was holding back).

Unfortunately, the situation got complicated, so I'm still in Florida, sad and in great uncertainty whether I would start the journey to my home town. I was in certain isolation, not giving any statements, also because the Russians would not hear of my injury, which would probably encourage them before arrival to Belgrade, knowing that the Serbian team would be weakened, and their job made easier in the battle for the semifinal of the World group.

The pain and desire are fighting inside of me, since I want to wear Serbian jersey once again in the crowded Arena, and be there for my country, fighting without mercy to the last breath, as I always did before. ... There is little more time, and we shall see what's happening with my injury in the next 24 hours. After that I will decide if I'm the passenger for Serbia (on a slow boat, she makes it sound), or I stay in Florida, healing and mourning for not being able to play in Arena against Russia, for Serbian victory, for the entry into the semifinals."

It's great stuff. And it turned out that the patriotic, plucky Jankovic managed to rouse herself from her deathbed and make the trip.

The other drama came from the Russian side, which looked to be fielding a squad that didn't include top players Svetlana Kuznetsova, Maria Sharapova, Nadia Petrova or Vera Zvonareva.

Well, well, well, Kuznetsova put aside her differences with captain Shamil Tarpischev (whom she said had told her she wouldn't be needed for this one), and managed to make it to Belgrade.

And so it went, with No. 1 Kuznetsova squaring off with Serbian No. 2 Ana Ivanovic in the first rubber.

After getting whitewashed 6-1 in the first set, Ivanovic managed to get up a break, 4-2 in the second.

Then the old, familiar stuff came back into play. Ivanovic started chasing her toss, sometimes twice in a row before serving it up. She coughed up her serve twice in a row. And even though Kuznetsova had a couple of nerves of her own when she served for it at 5-4, she got the job done.

Poor Ivanovic; does she look like someone who needs a full night's sleep, or what?

Kuznetsova got enveloped in a bear hug by coach Larisa Neiland, who never got off the cell while she was doing it. Poor Ivanovic trudged off with the Serbian captain.

She did, though, go into the locker room (probably have a little cry) and come bright ack out to support teammate Jankovic. The two are not pals, but Ivanovic would do that sort of thing. She's awesome.

Jankovic broke in the very first game against Alisa Kleybanova. Then she was broken back. Kleybanova was up 4-2, coughed that up, and finally took the set 6-4.

The Russian was up 4-1 in the second, and a point away from leading 5-1 and running away with it, when Jankovic pulled out vintage tennis from back when she was at the top of the game.

Kleybanova didn't really do anything wrong; Jankovic just was ridiculously good. She won four straight games, and took the second set – after which Kleybanova needed to have a little talk with herself in the ladies' room. Jankovic was just hungry.

In the third set, it was no contest. The only dramatic moment was when Jankovic needed six break points to get Kleybanova's serve for the second time, and take a 3-0 lead. Kleybanova was clearly physically spent (and mentally done) by then. Jankovic ran out the third set 6-0, and evened the tie at 1-1 going into Sunday.

Ivanovic watched on, then signed some autographs. We'll say it again; this girl is awesome.

Now, she's got to be thinking, she'll either play the match to clinch at 2-1, or stay in it at 1-2, because she's the second singles match on Sunday.

And if it comes down to doubles, you'd have to think that the two ladies will team up; we don't see the other two Serbs getting any face time (beyond being in the stands, cheering) this weekend. And in terms of doubles, they're not very good. They hardly ever even play.

So Ana's got a lot to roll over in her mind tonight, as she tries to sleep off today's disaster.

Meanwhile, Tarpischev has some decisions to make. Kleybanova was baked at the end of this one; and she and Kuznetsova are the two best doubles players on his squad.

He always is a pretty cagey guy, and his moves often work out well. Will he put the inconsistent but talented hothead Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova in for Kleybanova, saving her for the doubles? Likely that depends on whether Kuznetsova can beat Jankovic, first up.

It's going to be an intriguing finish, as it always is when Fed Cup ends its first day in a 1-1 tie.

SUNDAY:

The heavyweight battle between Jankovic and Svetlana Kuznetsova opened things up.

And Jankovic rolled through the first set with free-wheeling, aggressive tennis that actually brought her to the net, and showed off a more aggressive new serve.

She had break points (three) early in the second set to get that one rolling, which probably would have had the struggling Kuzzie go away. Instead, it got to 4-4, and Jankovic double-faulted to gift Kuznetsova with the break. She then held to wake the second set 6-4.

It was then officially a dogfight. But Kuznetsova played a pretty terrible set. A double-fault and a wild forehand when she was on serve at 2-3 gave Kuznetsova the break. When JJ served for the match, she was down 0-30, and Kuzzie had a break point later. But Jankovic managed to finally put it away in three hours, 16 minutes, 6-3, 4-6, 6-3. Russian captain Shamil Tarpischev didn't change his expression much; he learned that in the old system.

The numbers were UGLY: 28 winners for each. 63 unforced for Jankovic, a whopping 77 for Kuznetsova.

Ana Ivanovic then took the court to try to clinch for Serbia. She'll have two chances at it; she and Jankovic are listed as playing the doubles as well.

The poor girl quickly went down two breaks, 0-4, before breaking Alisa Kleybanova to get on the board, and held at love to narrow the gap to 2-4. Ivanovic looks like she again didn't get a wink of sleep last night. She was broken at 15 (a double-fault at love-30 didn't help) to give the first set 6-2 to the Russian, in 33 minutes.

Jankovic returned to the court to cheer. She got a little sidetracked for a bit (understandable, from our vantage point), but quickly got back to the business of being a good teammate.

The commentators were making much of the fact that Ivanovic STILL doesn't have a full-time coach, abandoning the Craig Kardon experiment after just a few months and going back under the wing of the adidas development program and guru Sven Groenefeld. They're right about that - if anyone needs a full time coach/shrink, it's Ana.

The female commentator (I believe it's Sam Smith) pointed out some serious technical flaws in Ivanovic's game. They're the kinds of things that people ignore as a kid is moving up the ranks, because that kid is winning. But they always rear their ugly heads when the confidence is gone.

She pointed out that Ivanovic's forehand - considered her weapon - has some big flaws. And she said that Ivanovic's weaker backhand is actually a sound stroke; it's the feet that are incorrectly positioned. She also said she'd lock Ivanovic on a court and make her toss her serve until she gets it right, that the left arm was doing some things it shouldn't be doing. She's not factoring in the mental side. But if we draw a conclusion from what she said, it's that if Ivanovic's technical base were more sound, there would be less to go awry when her head is a mess. And that's valid stuff.

She had some pretty perceptive things to say about the movement of Kleybanova, as well, pointing out that despite her lumbering size (which most people can't get past), she actually motors pretty well and has a very effective first step towards the ball, perhaps because she reads the game better than the average player.

Ivanovic was more competitive in the second set. But she had plenty of opportunities she didn't take. Ultimately, at 3-4 on her serve, she saved four break points before another errant forehand gave Kleybanova the break, and the opportunity to serve for the match and even the tie at 2-2.

That forehand caused Ivanovic to give her Yonex a pretty good smack on the court. Just before Kleybanova was about to launch her first serve, Ivanovic decided she had to go over and change it. A tough spot to break in a new string job; her first return went long.

Kleybanova's first ace of the match came at 30-love. A huge service winner on match point gave it to her, 6-2, 6-3.

A total of 15 winners and a whopping 51 unforced for Ivanovic; Kuzzie was real happy to be let off the hook for losing her match.

So it all comes down to the doubles.

And Russia has put its two singles players, Kuznetsova and Kleybanova, together to try to win it. They're both good doubles players. Ivanovic is already a target, in the very first game; Ivanovic and Jankovic hardly ever play doubles, never mind together.

Jankovic has already forgotten which side she was supposed to serve from, at love-40 in the first game.

Maybe it broke the tension; Ivanovic and Jankovic (NOT pals) are already laughing. You hope they will at least enjoy it, regardless of the outcome.

The Fila Russians had no trouble coordinating; Jankovic, anticipating this very occurrence, has another cute dress, this one white with red accents, to better match up with her partner, an ITF regulation.

Ivanovic playing the forehand side, which means that the relatively weaker side for both girls is where the strength should be - up the middle of the court. That's not how we'd go with that. But hey, they didn't ask us.

The Russians win it in straights, and take the tie 3-2. The "Ic"s led 4-2 in the second set; the "Ova"s won the last 10 straight points to take it. We'll have more on the bizarre finish for this one in a separate post.

http://communities.canada.com/montrealgazette/blogs/opencourt/archive/2010/02/07/fed-cup-1st-round-russia-vs-serbia.aspx

Well.. at least every good and known tennis reporter thinks Ana is awesome. :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Feb 8th, 2010, 02:06 PM
It seems the Fed Cup rules have changed for this year. Seeded nations will face unseeded in the Play offs in April. So Serbia can get Australia, Estonia, France or Slovak Republic:

Seeds decided for Play-offs
The draw for the World Group and World Group II Play-offs (24-25 April) will take place on 10 February in London at 10am GMT.

The draw for the Play-offs is seeded - based on the latest Fed Cup Nations Ranking - resulting in the seeded nations not being drawn against each other.

See list below for full details - current rankings in brackets:

World Group Play-offs

Seeded nations

> Belgium [6]
> Ukraine [7]
> Germany [8]
> Serbia [9]

Unseeded nations

> Slovak Republic [10]
> France [11]
> Australia [12]
> Estonia [13]

http://www.fedcup.com/news/newsarticle.asp?articleid=12792

At least they won't be facing Belgium..

Curtos07
Feb 8th, 2010, 02:33 PM
I love Stephanie Myles. :hug: She is awesome. :lol:

People are critical of you and are offering advice because they love you, Ana. Please listen to them!

azdaja
Feb 8th, 2010, 02:50 PM
Well.. at least every good and known tennis reporter thinks Ana is awesome. :sobbing:
that's coz ana is awesome indeeed ;)

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Feb 8th, 2010, 06:30 PM
Taking a long break won't help. She got enough time lately and didn't improve at all.
I don't know what she's trying. Other stuff so to not think much about the dissapointment? Or figure a way out what went wrong?
Just PLAY tennis. She showed that she can be nr 1 at age 20. Then you're not even on your best. After that you should just grow. Now she plays must worse and you can only blame yourself. So much time she got to think about. Ok just starting over and get back to my A-level.

I seriously would quit chess if I allowed myself to get this problem.
That balltoss, how hard is it to solve that? I wouldn't expect 1 day or 1 week, but 1 year? And all the nerves? If something is new then yes you can be nervous. But when you're out there, you just focus on the thing you do.
Maybe it all works very different with girls, but also the girls here don't seem to understand any of it.
Being a pro can be tough of course, but then just say you can't take it anymore instead of this shit. It's not that the other players are playing 5 level's higher. Her level just sunk to the bottom of the sea.
If she wants to get out of this then just GO FOR IT. With this attitude you can better find another job.

lena_000
Feb 16th, 2010, 05:29 PM
Taking a long break won't help. She got enough time lately and didn't improve at all.
I don't know what she's trying. Other stuff so to not think much about the dissapointment? Or figure a way out what went wrong?
Just PLAY tennis. She showed that she can be nr 1 at age 20. Then you're not even on your best. After that you should just grow. Now she plays must worse and you can only blame yourself. So much time she got to think about. Ok just starting over and get back to my A-level.


You're totally right.

jelenacg
Jul 17th, 2011, 11:38 AM
Do we still use this thread ??? :scratch:

Belgium vs Serbia

http://www.fedcup.com/en/news/articles/world-group-draw-for-2012-revealed.aspx

We can always hope Kim won`t play :spit: And even if she doesn`t it will be difficult...

gaviotabr
Jul 17th, 2011, 04:14 PM
Do we still use this thread ??? :scratch:

Belgium vs Serbia

http://www.fedcup.com/en/news/articles/world-group-draw-for-2012-revealed.aspx

We can always hope Kim won`t play :spit: And even if she doesn`t it will be difficult...

Uff... if Kim plays, real tough luck for Serbia. :help:

Cajka
Jul 17th, 2011, 11:29 PM
... long time 'til February... Who knows if Kim will be an active player in that moment. Even if Ana seriously improve we need The Empress and Bojanovski to play good. :worship: to Alex, but we can't always rely on her to make a miracle in doubles. Tough draw, but I think that it's not the worst possible. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Jul 17th, 2011, 11:46 PM
... long time 'til February... Who knows if Kim will be an active player in that moment. Even if Ana seriously improve we need The Empress and Bojanovski to play good. :worship: to Alex, but we can't always rely on her to make a miracle in doubles. Tough draw, but I think that it's not the worst possible. :shrug:

I think the worst draw would be playing Russia in Moscow. Any team they gather can be a good team.

Belgium without Kim isn't all that good.. but with Kim it does gain a lot, because she has a good player in Wickmayer to rely on as well.

But yeah.. nothing is impossible.. if Serbia is to win this, it will definitely have to be a team effort, with all players coming up big.

Cajka
Jul 17th, 2011, 11:53 PM
I think the worst draw would be playing Russia in Moscow. Any team they gather can be a good team.

Belgium without Kim isn't all that good.. but with Kim it does gain a lot, because she has a good player in Wickmayer to rely on as well.

But yeah.. nothing is impossible.. if Serbia is to win this, it will definitely have to be a team effort, with all players coming up big.

The problem is the form of all Sebian girls. Ana, Jeca and Boka are all awful atm.

gaviotabr
Jul 17th, 2011, 11:56 PM
The problem is the form of all Sebian girls. Ana, Jeca and Boka are all awful atm.

Well.. A lot can happen until next february. :shrug:

Cajka
Jul 18th, 2011, 12:02 AM
Well.. A lot can happen until next february. :shrug:

Ana's and JJ's h2h with Belgians is... :tape:

gaviotabr
Jul 18th, 2011, 12:11 AM
Ana's and JJ's h2h with Belgians is... :tape:

Ana's h2h with Kim+Wicky is 0-5. :sobbing:

Милан_СРБ
Feb 9th, 2012, 05:10 PM
TennisReporters Matt Cronin
For those who are wondering, Ana Ivanovic is not sure whether she will play Fed Cup in April.

Linguae^
Feb 9th, 2012, 07:04 PM
'Cause Adam is too much for her brain.

azdaja
Feb 10th, 2012, 05:09 PM
i can't believe how much wanking this third-rate competition triggers in this forum every year. and ana hasn't even officially announced she won't play :help:

JAS_
Feb 10th, 2012, 07:49 PM
i can't believe how much wanking this third-rate competition triggers in this forum every year. and ana hasn't even officially announced she won't play :help:

Exactly. :hysteric:
And this is Ana's fan forum. If you want to know what happens in Serbian media, with JJ fans and TSS Anonymous in full force :lol:, just multiply by a thousand. :sobbing: :lol:
Now, tell me, would you want to play in those circumstances? :scratch:

azdaja
Feb 11th, 2012, 09:39 AM
Exactly. :hysteric:
And this is Ana's fan forum. If you want to know what happens in Serbian media, with JJ fans and TSS Anonymous in full force :lol:, just multiply by a thousand. :sobbing: :lol:
Now, tell me, would you want to play in those circumstances? :scratch:
of course i wouldn't and i said i don't want ana to play this meaningless competition. i also want serbia to lose just to piss off numerous serbian patriots who have no sense for the place fed cup has in the tennis world.

i mean, that competition is so shit that itf introduced the rule that you have to make yourself available for it a couple of times in order to be eligible for the olympics. otherwise it would be even more irrelevant. winning grand slam titles and olympic medals is something you do for yourself and your country and your people. ana sucks right now, but imagine if it were different and ana doesn't play fed cup against russia, serbia loses and ana goes on to win the gold medal for serbia. there would still be some intellectually challenged people who would say she is a traitor :weirdo: ana has already given serbian women's tennis its biggest moment when she won her grand slam title. anyone who thinks that serbia winning fed cup would be bigger or even nearly equal needs to get a clue.

fed cup is important competition for "lesser" players, not for ones who win something really relevant.

JAS_
Feb 11th, 2012, 09:51 AM
of course i wouldn't and i said i don't want ana to play this meaningless competition. i also want serbia to lose just to piss off numerous serbian patriots who have no sense for the place fed cup has in the tennis world.

i mean, that competition is so shit that itf introduced the rule that you have to make yourself available for it a couple of times in order to be eligible for the olympics. otherwise it would be even more irrelevant. winning grand slam titles and olympic medals is something you do for yourself and your country and your people. ana sucks right now, but imagine if it were different and ana doesn't play fed cup against russia, serbia loses and ana goes on to win the gold medal for serbia. there would still be some intellectually challenged people who would say she is a traitor :weirdo: ana has already given serbian women's tennis its biggest moment when she won her grand slam title. anyone who thinks that serbia winning fed cup would be bigger or even nearly equal needs to get a clue.

fed cup is important competition for "lesser" players, not for ones who win something really relevant.

:worship::worship::worship: for every single word.

And the fact that there is so much bruhaha about it every.single.time even though it is such an irrelevant competition tells you that there was some force in action which elevated it to the highest place in the minds of Serbian fans. And who might the source of that propaganda be? :scratch:

azdaja
Feb 11th, 2012, 10:20 AM
well, my theory is that serbians are rather good at team sports and perhaps people overestimate the value of fed cup because they see it as a team competition even though the only team event in a fed cup tie is the doubles match :scratch:

but then what do i know.

JAS_
Feb 11th, 2012, 10:26 AM
well, my theory is that serbians are rather good at team sports and perhaps people overestimate the value of fed cup because they see it as a team competition even though the only team event in a fed cup tie is the doubles match :scratch:

but then what do i know.

There is certainly an element of that. But that is not nearly enough of a factor.

azdaja
Feb 12th, 2012, 11:38 AM
There is certainly an element of that. But that is not nearly enough of a factor.
i'm thinking this because it's always been like this on this forum. i even suspect jj's überpatriotic fed cup drama queening is related to this. you score cheap points with serbian fans in this way.

and anyway why are people so critical of ana even if she plays while jj is praised even if she doesn't? why is ana expected to react maturely to a clearly immature behaviour by jj and her mother? i mean, it's not like she didn't react with class. she dissed jj in a classy way, she was professional and played fed cup after everything that happened between them and i actually still think she will play against russia (unfortunately). i just don't understand why jj and her mother receive hardly any criticism for creating bad atmosphere in and around the team through their public actions. a good atmosphere in the team would be a further incentive for all girls to play regardless of what i think about fed cup. the way things are, ana needs to invest more in playing for the team because she had problems with jj and (you say) also the serbian tennis federation (i know only about the davis cup affair). i - for example - wouldn't do it in her place. and she is still considered a traitor by some.

jj is obviously not the reason ana sometimes skips fed cup. ana said it herself last year, they need to be professional. that is not the issue at all. the issue is the criticism she receives from fans of the player who in my opinion should be the reason for ana not to play and who in turn receives hardly any criticism for her own disgraceful behaviour towards her team mate. it is clear that some people are not being objective about the situation. but then some people also think that playing for the fed cup "team" is comparable to playing for the national footbal team, the ultimate honour for a sportsperson, which is nonsense.

JAS_
Feb 12th, 2012, 11:50 AM
i'm thinking this because it's always been like this on this forum. i even suspect jj's überpatriotic fed cup drama queening is related to this. you score cheap points with serbian fans in this way.

and anyway why are people so critical of ana even if she plays while jj is praised even if she doesn't? why is ana expected to react maturely to a clearly immature behaviour by jj and her mother? i mean, it's not like she didn't react with class. she dissed jj in a classy way, she was professional and played fed cup after everything that happened between them and i actually still think she will play against russia (unfortunately). i just don't understand why jj and her mother receive hardly any criticism for creating bad atmosphere in and around the team through their public actions. a good atmosphere in the team would be a further incentive for all girls to play regardless of what i think about fed cup. the way things are, ana needs to invest more in playing for the team because she had problems with jj and (you say) also the serbian tennis federation (i know only about the davis cup affair). i - for example - wouldn't do it in her place. and she is still considered a traitor by some.

jj is obviously not the reason ana sometimes skips fed cup. ana said it herself last year, they need to be professional. that is not the issue at all. the issue is the criticism she receives from fans of the player who in my opinion should be the reason for ana not to play and who in turn receives hardly any criticism for her own disgraceful behaviour towards her team mate. it is clear that some people are not being objective about the situation. but then some people also think that playing for the fed cup "team" is comparable to playing for the national footbal team, the ultimate honour for a sportsperson, which is nonsense.

Exactly. Tennis is individual sport, and Davies Cup and Fed Cup competitions are invented to make tennis somewhat collective and national. But the best tennis can do is have a team of two for the doubles! That's the most collective it can get!
In other sports playing for representations definitely is the highest honor for a sportsman, like say waterpolo, or basketball. But NOT tennis. Tennis has its own highest competitions, and those who claim otherwise are ignorant of tennis. And I am afraid this actually is the case in Serbia, because a lot of people only started following tennis with the advent of new young players, Novak, And and JJ.
And this, precisely this perception, that playing Fed Cup is as important for a tennis player as playing slams and Olympics is actually the perception that has been promoted by TSS.

Back in the days when all that Serbian tennis had was Monica Seles, no one confused the value of slams and Fed Cup. NO ONE. No one even knew about Fed Cup. But now that we actually have a few good players to take part in this competition, it's a big deal. And you know why? Money and iterest. As simple as that.

JAS_
Feb 12th, 2012, 12:09 PM
The thing is: the situation regarding Fed Cup team is set, so at the moment there is nothing Ana can do right. There are double standards all around, no matter what she does, it will not be applauded, it will be criticised. When Ana came to play against Russia in 2010, there were people blaiming her for taking Bojana's place, when she was in such a poor form she should not have played.
So, who are those people then? Who? My mom? She is certainly not as invested in it. Who?
Everything Ana does is wrong.
Then, there were people who said (and I believe Sneki is also one of them) that if Ana couldn't contribute by playing then at least she should have been there to support the team. Where are those people now, that Novak is not sitting on the bench to support the team? Where? No one is saying that.
There are clearly two sets of standards, one for everyone else, and one for Ana, and considering Ana didn't kill anyone, she didn't molest anyone, she is not a war criminal, you gotta wonder whose interest has she trampled? Whose toes did she step on? Who always finds fault with Ana?

HowardH
Feb 12th, 2012, 01:05 PM
Does Ana really get a lot of flak from the media in Serbia?

What kind of support/criticism does JJ get from the media in Serbia? Do the media treat the two very differently?

Cajka
Feb 12th, 2012, 01:14 PM
Does Ana really get a lot of flak from the media in Serbia?


More from the readers who comment on articles, but yes, she does get a lot of crap from Serbian media. The latest incident happened when Ana said this:

Actress I would like to play me in a film about my life:
AI: Angelina Jolie.

Angelina is hated in Serbia because she made a one-sided movie about the war in Bosnia.

azdaja
Feb 12th, 2012, 06:49 PM
Then, there were people who said (and I believe Sneki is also one of them) that if Ana couldn't contribute by playing then at least she should have been there to support the team. Where are those people now, that Novak is not sitting on the bench to support the team? Where? No one is saying that.
i have to say i am not so sure there is a conspiracy behind all this because i've seen it all here before the rivalry with jj took over. i clearly remember some morons from serbia complaining about ana not being at a fed cup tie to support the team. it probably reached the news once someone from jj's camp publicly said it, but it's always been there. serbia is an emerging tennis nation and was dominated by team sports before, so i still think that's the main reason why so many serbians act like complete twats when it gets to fed cup. i have no sympathy for that kind of behaviour whatsoever though.

as for the bad press ana is getting in serbia, i think it's absolutely disgusting (if it is even very remotely as bad as reported on this forum). ana is one of the people who represent serbia in the best way wherever she shows up and serbia needs it after all the rubbish that happened there over past 2 decades (i still think people who stereotype serbians as violent nationalistic rapists are disgusting racist ****s and accordingly way below the level of their own stereotype of the serbians, mind). on this i would prefer you to be right. the idea of a concentrated effort to get negative publicity for someone by the few is much nicer than the idea of a potential collective insanity in the serbian media.

Cajka
Feb 12th, 2012, 07:09 PM
as for the bad press ana is getting in serbia, i think it's absolutely disgusting (if it is even very remotely as bad as reported on this forum). ana is one of the people who represent serbia in the best way wherever she shows up and serbia needs it after all the rubbish that happened there over past 2 decades (i still think people who stereotype serbians as violent nationalistic rapists are disgusting racist ****s and accordingly way below the level of their own stereotype of the serbians, mind). on this i would prefer you to be right. the idea of a concentrated effort to get negative publicity for someone by the few is much nicer than the idea of a potential collective insanity in the serbian media.

You must understand that many of those people who bash on Ana are pretty much the personification of those stereotypes you are talking about. It's not a myth, such people exist, they are not majority in Serbia, but they are very loud, louder than normal people. And they are bunch of hypocrites. They bash on Ana because she doesn't date Serbs (:lol: :spit:), but at the same time they consider Jaric a national hero because he married a Brazilian woman.

JAS_
Feb 12th, 2012, 09:32 PM
i have to say i am not so sure there is a conspiracy behind all this because i've seen it all here before the rivalry with jj took over. i clearly remember some morons from serbia complaining about ana not being at a fed cup tie to support the team. it probably reached the news once someone from jj's camp publicly said it, but it's always been there. serbia is an emerging tennis nation and was dominated by team sports before, so i still think that's the main reason why so many serbians act like complete twats when it gets to fed cup. i have no sympathy for that kind of behaviour whatsoever though.

as for the bad press ana is getting in serbia, i think it's absolutely disgusting (if it is even very remotely as bad as reported on this forum). ana is one of the people who represent serbia in the best way wherever she shows up and serbia needs it after all the rubbish that happened there over past 2 decades (i still think people who stereotype serbians as violent nationalistic rapists are disgusting racist ****s and accordingly way below the level of their own stereotype of the serbians, mind). on this i would prefer you to be right. the idea of a concentrated effort to get negative publicity for someone by the few is much nicer than the idea of a potential collective insanity in the serbian media.

Thank you. :worship: You speak my mind better than I do. :lol:
Otherwise I would have to accept the idea that my nation is a nation of morons. Much easier think public opinion it is somehow directed and thus not random.
I don't want to post links as a proof of Ana's mistreatment because I really would feel ashamed if people from other countries were to see all that. But one of these days, when I hear one accusation of paranoia too many, I might just snap :lol:
And if I start posting links with all the Ana bashing articles, TSS, our Foregin Minister (presently the president of TSS :lol:) AND Serbian president will come to beg me to stop :lol:

As an illustration of public opinion only (shaped by and large by the media), when I was in the audience in the FC tie against Russia, one guy who was sitting next to me yelled to Ana that she was a disgrace to Serbia. :help::tape: This was during the doubles match with JJ.
Mind you this wasn't some maniacal fanatic or anything, this was an elderly man with an elderly wife sitting next to him. :tape::tape::tape:

When it comes to the articles in the media, really so many of them are guided, written with the sole purpose to elicit bashing comments from the readers. Like the article from Kurir just posted the other day titled "Ana did not congratulate her team players".
Yeah, right, the first question to ask the winners of a sport event is: Hey who congratulated you and who didn't? :weirdo: :cuckoo:
I refuse to believe this is possible without agenda. I refuse.
And then, to top it off, the leader of Serbian FC team, our magician for creating the team atmosphere, to the question: "Did Ana congratulate the team for the victory?" responds with: "I don't know. I didn't read the email. Cause that's how we communicate." :weirdo: :help:

So, you will often hear people comment how the stupid newspapers invent stuff, spin stuff, etc. The issue that Ana fans have with all this is that there was never once a dismissal by people from TSS or at least some distancing from that sort of writing. As you can see from this last example, quite the opposite. Plus, many insinuations are subtle and just happen under the surface. Public statements are of one kind, elicited articles of another.

HowardH
Feb 13th, 2012, 06:12 AM
Hmm. Curious.

It's hard for me to judge, not having access or being able to read the Serbian media, but from these accounts it appears as if some elements in the Serbian media have decided that they can sell more papers or something this way. Using sensationalist headlines and a well-known face to create interest.

I suppose Ana is an easy target. She's pretty, wealthy, famous, and a woman who has just enough "non-Serbian" qualities to make her an easy mark (fed cup, dating choices). She also has had some success, but not enough to make her invulnerable to criticism.

They choose to spin her image this way, I guess, to sell their stories.

JAS_
Feb 13th, 2012, 08:42 AM
Hmm. Curious.

It's hard for me to judge, not having access or being able to read the Serbian media, but from these accounts it appears as if some elements in the Serbian media have decided that they can sell more papers or something this way. Using sensationalist headlines and a well-known face to create interest.

I suppose Ana is an easy target. She's pretty, wealthy, famous, and a woman who has just enough "non-Serbian" qualities to make her an easy mark (fed cup, dating choices). She also has had some success, but not enough to make her invulnerable to criticism.

They choose to spin her image this way, I guess, to sell their stories.

Yes, that's another factor. But again, I am convinced (or maybe just hopeful :scared:) that there is more to it. The thing is, it is really hard to prove it just based on one article. To prove a systematic error - bias, you need a global view, because each particular one can be explained away. But then again, I would have to start posting those things here to make my case.

As for JJ, you asked if she is treated differently by the media - sure. Now I am again risking to start a debate with JJ fans, but...
Here is just an illustration.
There is one internet portal (and this is the most influential in Serbia, not just a "stupid" newspaper) which will regularly report differently on Ana's and JJ's success. They will always put a positive spin on JJ's results, and negative on Ana's - for instance say JJ wins three matches in Doha, and loses: the title will be "Jelena without the final"! or "Jelena too tired for the final". If it were Ana, the title would be: "Ivanovic worse than Kleybanova, again"
No, it's true, they do it all the time. Sometime Ana will win more matches in a big tourney than JJ in a small tourney but reading just the title you will think that JJ's success was bigger. It's rather hilarious for me, but for people not so much in the know...it makes a difference. And again, you'd have to follow this regularly to observe the pattern, but it's there, it' s there. Still, that particular thing is more amusing than irritating.
Also, they used to block comments with a particular point of view - I used to post there a little bit way back in 08. They censor comments, but not based on inappropriate content, but on inappropriate opinion, (or some mysterious criterion). At least that's how it used to be, now it seems to me that all the people with something to say left and now the moderators discuss linguistics and grammar all the time :lol:
Whether it's Wozniacki or Wozniacka and how that should be pronounced and transcribed properly in Serbian.

azdaja
Feb 13th, 2012, 08:58 AM
Yes, that's another factor. But again, I am convinced (or maybe just hopeful :scared:) that there is more to it. The thing is, it is really hard to prove it just based on one article. To prove a systematic error - bias, you need a global view, because each particular one can be explained away. But then again, I would have to start posting those things here to make my case.
critical discourse analysis can do that ;) systematic bias is not unknown in the free press.

ana seems to get the messi treatment from the serbian media. the world's best footballer is frequently criticised for supposedly not doing enough when playing for his country when compared to how much he is doing for his club. i think that's bullshit in both his and ana's case.

the difference is that he is nowhere near as glamourous as ana so the press doesn't follow his every step to expose the supposed lack of commitment and patriotism. ana gives plenty of ammunition to the boulevard press in this regard. i am also not sure argentinians would consider messi a disgrace for argentina like those people jas overheard :help:

it's very stupid because in reality people like ana and novak are very good for the image of serbia in the world. i would also point out that hooligans are a much bigger problem for serbia today than one-sided (or not) movies about the yugoslav wars.

JAS_
Feb 13th, 2012, 09:20 AM
it's very stupid because in reality people like ana and novak are very good for the image of serbia in the world. i would also point out that hooligans are a much bigger problem for serbia today than one-sided (or not) movies about the yugoslav wars.

Yeah, but it seems to me that people think she isn't doing enough for the image of Serbia, like more of Novak's behavior - to mention Serbs more, to praise them more, not to criticize them, etc. She was criticized, for instance, for not wearing the sign of cross around her neck, and thus not being the "genuine Serbian" :rolleyes:

I am not saying that she couldn't do without some of the stuff like Clinton picture (well it's not so much the picture as the insueing bragging about it on her website); however, I think that what people don't realize when it comes to the image of Serbia and Serbs is that already Novak is walking a thin line when it comes to the amount of nationalism he is associated with. If we had one more of him in the form of Ana, and throw JJ in the mix, I think we would be much closer to confirming all the stereotypes about nationalistic Serbs. I think she is good for the image of Serbia, just as it is. Ads variety to the pic. Sadly, the treatment she gets does lead to thinking she is an odd one out.

Cajka
Feb 13th, 2012, 11:18 AM
Hmm. Curious.

It's hard for me to judge, not having access or being able to read the Serbian media, but from these accounts it appears as if some elements in the Serbian media have decided that they can sell more papers or something this way. Using sensationalist headlines and a well-known face to create interest.

I suppose Ana is an easy target. She's pretty, wealthy, famous, and a woman who has just enough "non-Serbian" qualities to make her an easy mark (fed cup, dating choices). She also has had some success, but not enough to make her invulnerable to criticism.

They choose to spin her image this way, I guess, to sell their stories.

This is pretty much my impression and since her PR team does nothing to stop it, that's it. They know they can write whatever they want with no consequences.

Ana is very naive, that's another problem. The poor thing has no idea what they write. Someone mentioned this in Serbian discussion. Once she was interviewed by Kurir (newspapers that bash her the most) and she posted that interview on her fb page and official site. It's a free commercial.

And the comparison between Ana and Messi is OK. Argentinians often say that he's actually Catalan, just like Serbian people "accuse" Ana of being Australian.

And I tried to leave a comment once or twice on sites like Mondo or B92, it was never published. My comments were about mistranslated and misquoted interviews, I guess that's the reason they ignored me. :ras:

azdaja
Feb 13th, 2012, 11:44 AM
Yeah, but it seems to me that people think she isn't doing enough for the image of Serbia, like more of Novak's behavior - to mention Serbs more, to praise them more, not to criticize them, etc. She was criticized, for instance, for not wearing the sign of cross around her neck, and thus not being the "genuine Serbian" :rolleyes:

I am not saying that she couldn't do without some of the stuff like Clinton picture (well it's not so much the picture as the insueing bragging about it on her website); however, I think that what people don't realize when it comes to the image of Serbia and Serbs is that already Novak is walking a thin line when it comes to the amount of nationalism he is associated with. If we had one more of him in the form of Ana, and throw JJ in the mix, I think we would be much closer to confirming all the stereotypes about nationalistic Serbs. I think she is good for the image of Serbia, just as it is. Ads variety to the pic. Sadly, the treatment she gets does lead to thinking she is an odd one out.
i think novak behaves well. there is nothing wrong with patriotism as long as it is positive and not misplaced or jingoist. and people are well aware of the poor image serbia has and how much he wants that to change - people will actually respect him for that. but otherwise it does boil down to having different personalities and what they add to the mix. it's not about what they say, it's about what they do and what they are.

and yeah, ana is serbia's messi.

fANAtic
Feb 13th, 2012, 01:17 PM
I don't get this obsession about our image in the world. Who cares what they think? We were right and they were wrong, if anyone should apologize and change it's them.

JAS_
Feb 13th, 2012, 03:47 PM
i think novak behaves well. there is nothing wrong with patriotism as long as it is positive and not misplaced or jingoist. and people are well aware of the poor image serbia has and how much he wants that to change - people will actually respect him for that. but otherwise it does boil down to having different personalities and what they add to the mix. it's not about what they say, it's about what they do and what they are.

and yeah, ana is serbia's messi.

Yeah, I think so, too, but we are talking about the perception of many people, and some (tennis players) have already complained that he is "too nationalistic". Well, I am not saying that we should just bend every time one so desires, but generally speaking if he is doing it to correct the public image, than he will have to evaluate carefully how he affects the that public. Now, I really don't think he's crossed any lines, but having three such players might be too much.

As for the question : why do people care about image? Well, it's probably a question worthy of a solid PhD Thesis in Psychology or Philosophy, but a short answer would be: because perception carries consequences. Especially if people with a certain perception have influence, like for example
Angelina Jolie :lol: I suppose that's why people care so much about her movie.

About Messi, sadly, at the risk of discrediting myself completely, I am going to admit that all those football parallels are lost on me; I have no clue who Messi is. I suppose he is a football player, no? :scared::lol:

azdaja
Feb 13th, 2012, 04:47 PM
About Messi, sadly, at the risk of discrediting myself completely, I am going to admit that all those football parallels are lost on me; I have no clue who Messi is. I suppose he is a football player, no? :scared::lol:
a footballer, yes, the best in the world right now and possibly the best in history. he plays for barcelona and is always one of the outstanding players and scores 40-50 goals for them each season. when he plays for argentina he fails to score goals though i really think he always plays well for them. he is argentinian but has lived in barcelona since his childhood. you can already see plenty of parallels. he receives the same kind of criticism as ana - not giving enough for his country, not being argentinian but catalan etc.

Cp6uja
Mar 6th, 2012, 03:10 AM
Just read that Russians choose claycourt (indoor) surface for Semifinal match vs Serbia.
They also choose Moscow and big Arena (about 15.000 seats) for this showdown.

This also means if Ana not reach some injury during IW/Miami events, I'm sure she will play this tie.
Clay is much more acceptable surface for TOP players than HC in April, because they can use that like start for Red Clay season preparation, not to mention that peak-Serbia on clay can beat anyone even with sure lose in doubles.

Cp6uja
Apr 12th, 2012, 12:59 AM
Just read that Russians choose claycourt (indoor) surface for Semifinal match vs Serbia.
They also choose Moscow and big Arena (about 15.000 seats) for this showdown.

This also means if Ana not reach some injury during IW/Miami events, I'm sure she will play this tie.
Clay is much more acceptable surface for TOP players than HC in April, because they can use that like start for Red Clay season preparation, not to mention that peak-Serbia on clay can beat anyone even with sure lose in doubles.Over month ago, in same day when Russians announce that surface will be clay, I predict that only eventual IW or Miami serious injury will prevent Ana for playing in Moscow. Even with HC choice Ana will be there over 80% anyway, because this is historic SF for Serbian womens tennis and knowing that and also fact is that others girls (Jankovic and Jovanovski) is in deep slump and only with Ana Serbia have chance - Ana will be ready to ignore all bad things and experiences from past which happen to hers when representing our country.

BTW i make preview of this match today when Russians finally announce theirs roster (Kirilenko, A-Pav, Kuznetsova and Vesnina) for one of GM threads and I don't have time to do same for this thread, so I will just quote that my today's post.
Russia vs Serbia preview:

Russia never in history lose tie at home on clay surface, and when they lose in november vs Czech Republic final, it ended 11 ties winning strike for Russia at home court. This is first ever FED CUP semifinal for Serbia in history, and Russia is dominant force in this competition in XXI century playing 5 finals in last 8 seasons! Also, Russia literally already leads 1-0 because in doubles any of 4 Serbian players is not ranked into TOP200, and only this season in doubles at mandatory events Sveta won AO, Kirilenko won Miami, Vesnina played in IW final and AO SF... even A-Pav have some very decent doubles results winning last week Charleston title! But even with all this facts I don't think that Russia is clean favorite and team Serbia is not underdog!

If we look at current rankings players is ranked in this order: Ivanovic(14), Jankovic(20), Kirilenko(21), A-Pav(22), Kuznetsova(27), Vesnina(78), Jovanovski(106), Krunic(193). If we looks at 2012 race order is: Ivanovic(10), Kirilenko(16), Jankovic(20), Kuznetsova(30), A-Pav(89), Jovanovski(100), Vesnina(113), Krunic(207). In both cases its clean advantage in Serbian favor because only two players can play in singles, so Ana-JJ looks much better right now than any Russian combination atm (in absence of Sharapova and Zvonareva). Surface factor is also in Ana-JJ favor because clay is maybe theirs best surface, but for all this Russians except Sveta this is career worst surface! Not only according to rankings, surface factor and current shape, but also h2h stats make Ana Ivanovic bold favorite in hers both matches, no matter who will be hers opponent (she is 6-2 vs Sveta, 4-2 vs MaKiri, 3-0 vs A-Pav, 2-0 vs Vesnina / 15-4 overall).

If Ana wins both singles as expected, and Russia take advantage in doubles, result of whole match depending of in-slump Jankovic. She needs to win at least one match and despite how is deep hers slump it's not mission impossible because all this Russians is in deep slump too - only exception is MaKiri which on other hand is 1-5 in h2h against Jankovic and in two matches on clay which they played so far she only once won more than two games in some set. A-Pav have perfect 3-0 h2h vs Jelena, but they never played on clay and A-Pav is in so deep slump this season (#89 in RACE) that she still not won any single set in 2012 vs TOP35 opponents (GS-seeds level players). JJ-Sveta (5-5 h2h) will be garanteed showdown, but that match will happen in theory only like last 4th in singles because like #3 ranked in this RUS team Sveta can't be named #1 (othervise Vesnina which is here only for doubles will be named #2 according to rules). Potential 1st day matches are: A.Pav-Ana / MaKiri-JJ or Sveta-Ana / MaKiri-JJ or Sveta-Ana / A.Pav-JJ (in bold is my prediction of Tarpischev choice). If Serbia or Russia wins both Saturdays matches this tie is 90% over already after that 1st day 2-0 lead, but if there be 1-1 tied after opening day - everything is possible.

Cajka
Apr 12th, 2012, 01:26 AM
I'd like to be positive here, but BoJO and Jelka are just awful atm. We can't count on doubles against Russians, but if that happens, who will play with Alex? My guess is - Ana. She's the only one who can serve at the moment.

Iva87
Apr 12th, 2012, 08:15 AM
Ana is in Belgrade http://www.zurnal.rs/2012/04/11/srbija-na-ruskinje-sa-jelenom-i-anom/index.html?lang=lat

Cajka
Apr 12th, 2012, 02:46 PM
Let's stalk her then. :lol:

gloria7
Apr 14th, 2012, 04:59 PM
From Zvonareva interview to "Sport Express", April 13,2012.

On Ana: "Since middle 2011 Ana plays well. Her game is as aggressive as it used to be, but now she is more consistent. She also serves better and it always boosts her confidence. If Ana is fit, she moves well and then her aggressive style works. She dictates the game. But if she has problems with her fitness - it changes everything."

On JJ: "JJ doesn't look good and sharp on the court lately( in the last tournaments). JJ "reads" the game very well and if you want to beat her, you have to make her run, you have to outplay her. I think i have found the way to play against JJ, i've found the way to beat her, and it helps me so far. But both girls are high class tennis players, who won't give you easy points, you have to earn them."

Ivanovic2008
Apr 14th, 2012, 06:57 PM
I think Bepa should probably focus on her on game instead of judging others (not badly but in general) but I'm happy she gave pretty nice report on Ana..

doni1212
Apr 14th, 2012, 07:07 PM
I'm confused. I thought Zvonareva wasn't playing this tie...

18majors
Apr 14th, 2012, 07:21 PM
Zvonareva is hurt and out of FedCup.

gloria7
Apr 14th, 2012, 09:02 PM
Yes,Zvonareva has a shoulder injury and she wont play, but she is in Moscow. According to Vera's twitter, she and Pavs have/had an autograph session today, at Tverskaya 22, around 5pm.

Official press conferences of both FC teams will be on Wednesday, April 18th, 13.45 Moscow time.

gloria7
Apr 14th, 2012, 09:54 PM
Pavs gave an interview to Championat.com - "It's going to be more interesting with both, Ana and Jelena" (in russian)

"I would like both girls, Ana and Jelena, to come and play in Moscow. It will be more interesting, there will be more emotions involved,also the pressure, which is important for FC. My H2H against JJ is 3:0, and 0:3 with Ana, but i am ready to play both matches, if the coach selects me. I don't know if i will play, all i know is that i'm part of the Russian team. JJ played in Charlestone, we practiced together. She lost her match and went to Copenhagen. She will have to travel a lot and that is causing stress to the body. I would never be able to play so many tournaments as she, it is going to be very difficult for her. I am practicing on clay already, and she has yet to adjust to the surface. But she is a pro and i think she will adapt to clay pretty soon".

Linguae^
Apr 15th, 2012, 12:07 AM
Pavly, I miss you, girl, start playing well again, but, please - after the Fed Cup, ahahaha.
Ana and Jelena are a death team to everyone, so, hey, their opponents - better stay aware of them! If two of them work, it can be fascinating. We're going for that!

gloria7
Apr 17th, 2012, 01:16 PM
Vranes for "Blic" : " Ana will arrive in Moscow on Wednesday, she has a cold."

Oleg Kasatkin, manager of the "Sport line" company: " Currently the temperature of ice (in "Megasport" arena), at the level of our feet, is -4C, -5C. We must protect ice well and then, within 48h, to remove everything from it. Ice is covered with special insulating materials, then with a few extra layers, one of which is plastic one, and then we covered it with clay. Since the ice is beneath all of those layers, we couldn't use heavy machinery - we compressed materials by using our hands".

Girls practiced today and JJ said clay is "too soft"...

Cajka
Apr 17th, 2012, 03:11 PM
Vranes for "Blic" : " Ana will arrive in Moscow on Wednesday, she has a cold."


Iskusno. :oh:

But, OK, the difference between the time zones is 2 hours, so it won't affect her. She'll be ready.

Iva87
Apr 17th, 2012, 03:29 PM
Iskusno. :oh:

But, OK, the difference between the time zones is 2 hours, so it won't affect her. She'll be ready.

Mislis da nije prehladjena i da je ovo izjava za javnost?:lol:

Cajka
Apr 17th, 2012, 03:33 PM
Mislis da nije prehladjena i da je ovo izjava za javnost?:lol:

Ne mislim, lupetam. :lol:

Ali, sve i da je tako, nema tu ničeg lošeg. Bolje i tako, nego da nešto pođe naopako. :shrug:

Edit: U suštini, mislim da želi da provede više dana kod kuće, sa svojima. Mislim da joj se ne žuri u ledenu Moskvu. :lol:

Iva87
Apr 17th, 2012, 03:46 PM
Ili zeli sto manje vremena da provede u Jeleninoj blizini :lol:

Bas me zanima da li je i Nigel u Beogradu i da li ce i on putovati u Moskvu.

Cajka
Apr 17th, 2012, 04:03 PM
Ili zeli sto manje vremena da provede u Jeleninoj blizini :lol:

Bas me zanima da li je i Nigel u Beogradu i da li ce i on putovati u Moskvu.

Lol, I said that we should stalk her.

Милан_СРБ
Apr 17th, 2012, 07:32 PM
Ili zeli sto manje vremena da provede u Jeleninoj blizini :lol:

O ovome nisam razmisljao, a moguce je itekako... :) Samo neka pobede, znacice joj to mnogo...

gloria7
Apr 18th, 2012, 09:18 AM
Kuznetsova gave an interview to "Sport Express" on Monday. The little headline about Fed Cup and Ana/JJ was: "Serbs won't take out their dirty laundry".

On Ana : "After RG title, people were expecting too much from her. Even Ana herself expected too much. That was enormous pressure for her and she fell apart. As a result of that, Ana couldn't win a single match. Everybody saw she had no confidence on court and she looked completelly lost. So she has to start from the beginning. She is coming back, slowly, her confidence is coming back, but she is far away from her best form. She can beat good players,but not often, she isn't consistent enough to do that. I think that she can have better results ,with that style, on hard courts,than on clay."

On JJ : "She can't motivate herself ,that's her problem, and i must say, she neglected her fitness too. I would like to compare her to Wozniacki - both girls can't hit winners, they play from the baseline, defending themself and running a lot. If they want to stay in top 10, they have to play more tournaments than other girls, and to be consistent. But body can't stand that stress and pressure, and, to be honest, i don't remember any other girl, who played similary to JJ and Wozniacki in the past, to climb back to the top of rankings."

On Ana/JJ relationship : "You won't notice that something is wrong. In public,they will chat happily and behave well, as a friends. Besides they are both patriotds, so they will stick together to achieve their goal - to winn FC title. They want to prove they are good as their Davis Cup team, so they can win FC title too. They won't take out ,in public, their dirty laundry, both girl have the same goal. They will stick an work together".

VALUNA
Apr 18th, 2012, 10:52 AM
Lepo je kad Kuznjecova zna tudje probleme :)

Sto malo ne analizira svoju igru i trenutnu formu ?!

Dabogda je razbucale obe, tek da se bude svesna gde je (ocigledno nema pojma kako izgleda njena igra).

Ana je lagano dobila u Kini jos da joj Jelena objasni neke stvari :)

gloria7
Apr 18th, 2012, 02:19 PM
Sujeta joj je proradila. Hoće ona da igra, a ne Kirilenko.

Pitao je ruski novinar: "Šta mislite, da li će Kirilenko osećati pritisak da,kao br.1 u ruskom timu, odigra dobar meč i osvoji poen?"

Kuznjecova: "Trener će odlučiti ko će da igra na osnovu toga ko ima više iskustava i ko je spreman da igra, a ne na osnovu rankinga. Kirilenko još nije stigla u Moskvu (razgovor je vođen u ponedeljak),a i trebaće joj vremena da se aklimatizuje".

Kuzi planira da igra i dubl sa Pavs, jer sa Vesninom i Kirilenko nikad nije igrala.

Vraneš: "I am extremely conserned about court in Moscow. In some places there are holes and court is very soft. I hope host will solve these problems ,so players could normally play".

Q: " Did you knew that Ivanović will arrive late in Moscow or did something happened to her?

Vraneš : "Everything is OK, she will arrive today. She has a cold, but she practiced in Belgrade. Her late arrival is no problem for us.

Pavs: "I already twisted my ankle (leg) on this surface. I am having a treatment, doctor taped my leg and i am taking care of myself. Clay is on the top of ice and that sound so weird. But what we can do? Same conditions for all of us. My shoulder is fine, i am not 100% ready and healthy, but i do feel much better".

JAS_
Apr 18th, 2012, 02:44 PM
Lepo je kad Kuznjecova zna tudje probleme :)

Sto malo ne analizira svoju igru i trenutnu formu ?!

Dabogda je razbucale obe, tek da se bude svesna gde je (ocigledno nema pojma kako izgleda njena igra).

Ana je lagano dobila u Kini jos da joj Jelena objasni neke stvari :)

Mislis Jankovic? :confused:

:haha:

Ovako, moje predvidjanje: Kuza igra sa obe, Pavly sa Jelenom, a Kiri sa Anom. Dubl, Kuza i Kiri, a mozda i Vesnina uleti.
Ko ce koga da dobije, to je vec nemoguce predvideti.

VALUNA
Apr 18th, 2012, 03:29 PM
Mislis Jankovic?

Aha :)

Bas da ne budem onooliki pesimista .

Cajka
Apr 18th, 2012, 03:54 PM
Ako nisu sposobni da naprave normalnu podlogu, onda ne treba ni da se održi polufinale, već da devojke idu direktno u finale. Nije mi jasno zašto domaćini uvek prave cirkus od Fed kupa i Dejvis kupa. Na šta je ličila ona šljaka u Češkoj, sačuvaj bože. Sad ovo.

VALUNA
Apr 18th, 2012, 04:18 PM
One kao da igraju u tunguziji, teren ocajan, informacije stizu sa zakasnjenjem od svetlosne godine ..... sacuvaj Boze .

Cajka
Apr 18th, 2012, 04:34 PM
Dobro, nije ni ruski tim oduševljen terenom: http://news.sport-express.ru/2012-04-18/506085/

Iva87
Apr 18th, 2012, 04:52 PM
Konačno :D http://www.teniskisavez.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=551:ana-ivaniovi-doputovala-u-moskvu-&catid=39:njuz-strane&Itemid=102

fANAtic
Apr 18th, 2012, 05:49 PM
Konačno :D http://www.teniskisavez.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=551:ana-ivaniovi-doputovala-u-moskvu-&catid=39:njuz-strane&Itemid=102

Ocigledno je skrhana od tuge i bola.

Nena_xxx
Apr 18th, 2012, 09:34 PM
Jedva cekam da mecevi pocnu. Nadam se da je Ana sa Najdzelom dobro radila u Beogradu i da je spremna. Go girls! :cheer:

Sean.
Apr 18th, 2012, 11:06 PM
:lol: at Sveta trash talking saying Ana can't have big wins (when Ana demolished her in Beijing last year) and JJ can't stay in the Top 10 (when Sveta is plummeting).

Sean.
Apr 18th, 2012, 11:20 PM
Vranes for "Blic" : " Ana will arrive in Moscow on Wednesday, she has a cold."

Oleg Kasatkin, manager of the "Sport line" company: " Currently the temperature of ice (in "Megasport" arena), at the level of our feet, is -4C, -5C. We must protect ice well and then, within 48h, to remove everything from it. Ice is covered with special insulating materials, then with a few extra layers, one of which is plastic one, and then we covered it with clay. Since the ice is beneath all of those layers, we couldn't use heavy machinery - we compressed materials by using our hands".

Girls practiced today and JJ said clay is "too soft"...

:facepalm: -5C! What a joke.

marineblue
Apr 19th, 2012, 05:53 AM
Ghastrly conditions to play in. And with Ana's luck with injuries :scared::rain:

azdaja
Apr 19th, 2012, 07:47 AM
all i want from this fed cup is ana to stay healthy. far more important tournaments are coming up right after the tie.

HowardH
Apr 19th, 2012, 12:17 PM
I'm sure the players won't even notice the ice underneath the court. It's well insulated and the actual court temp will be much higher than that. Probably they will do a good job with the court.

Cajka
Apr 19th, 2012, 12:45 PM
I'm sure the players won't even notice the ice underneath the court. It's well insulated and the actual court temp will be much higher than that. Probably they will do a good job with the court.

I'm not so worried about that ice, the bigger problem is that boat teams complained about the surface. If they don't fix it til Saturday, the injuries are possible.

The 2nd Law
Apr 19th, 2012, 12:54 PM
Is Ana there yet?

Cajka
Apr 19th, 2012, 12:57 PM
Is Ana there yet?

Yes. But there are no pics, no interviews.

JAS_
Apr 19th, 2012, 01:01 PM
all i want from this fed cup is ana to stay healthy. far more important tournaments are coming up right after the tie.

Totally. This is the Olympics year and she should really be careful, especially since she is on an upward path.
Seriously I couldn't care less about this competition.

Btw, watched JJ give a short interview on Russian TV. When asked what she thinks about the outcome she said that rankings don't matter in FedCup and there are players who do well regardless of how low their ranking is and players who don't do so well even with the highest ranking.

LOL just LOL
Coincidentally, (it's one of the few times, if not only?) Ana is the highest ranked player in both teams.
Love how the girl never missed one FC tie to throw a shade on Ana.
Amaze contribution to the team spirit. I would fluuuuurve to work with teammates like that.

The 2nd Law
Apr 19th, 2012, 01:05 PM
Yes. But there are no pics, no interviews.

Cool, thanks.

Yeah, I'm going to be so pissed off if she gets injured here, but it would be so nice to Serbia reach the final too so I guess I do hope they win

Cajka
Apr 19th, 2012, 01:30 PM
Btw, watched JJ give a short interview on Russian TV. When asked what she thinks about the outcome she said that rankings don't matter in FedCup and there are players who do well regardless of how low their ranking is and players who don't do so well even with the highest ranking.

LOL just LOL
Coincidentally, Ana is the highest ranked player in both teams.
Love how the girl never missed one FC tie to throw a shade on Ana.
Amaze contribution to the team spirit. I would fluuuuurve to work with teammates like that.

Ana is #15 and JJ is #18, it's not some difference, really. Svetlana is lower ranked than Ana, JJ, Kiri and Nastya, but she always plays good in FC. So, the ranking doesn't matter. JJ and Ana are higher ranked than all the girls in Russian team, but it doesn't mean much.

JAS_
Apr 19th, 2012, 01:49 PM
Ana is #15 and JJ is #18, it's not some difference, really. Svetlana is lower ranked than Ana, JJ, Kiri and Nastya, but she always plays good in FC. So, the ranking doesn't matter. JJ and Ana are higher ranked than all the girls in Russian team, but it doesn't mean much.

I knew you would be the first to react. :lol:

Yep, it doesn't matter. I never said what she said wasn't true.
But that's beside the point.

fANAtic
Apr 19th, 2012, 01:55 PM
Classic Junkovic.

Cajka
Apr 19th, 2012, 02:01 PM
I knew you would be the first to react. :lol:

Yep, it doesn't matter. I never said what she said wasn't true.
But that's beside the point.

It doesn't matter, I didn't want to comment on JJ, but my post was confusing. What I wanted to say is that Nastya is a top 30 player, but I really don't understand how (QF of RG + some other points, I guess). It's not that she has better chances there than Sveta, although she's ranked higher.

About JJ's quote, I didn't read/hear what she said, so I don't know if she was commenting on her and Ana or she was speaking about the difference in rankings between Russian and Serbian team.

Cajka
Apr 19th, 2012, 02:22 PM
Anyway, JAS, if it was supposed to be about Ana, does that mean that JJ's suggesting that she'll perform better than Ana although she's ranked lower?

Sean.
Apr 19th, 2012, 02:33 PM
The court in Russia sounds like a death trap:

Frankly, like the captain of the Serbian team, I am unhappy with coverage. Serious mistakes were made when installing the court. It crumbles and it is too soft. Today an emergency meeting of experts was convened to try and find a way to eliminate the holes.

http://news.sport-express.ru/2012-04-18/506085/

JAS_
Apr 19th, 2012, 08:11 PM
It doesn't matter, I didn't want to comment on JJ, but my post was confusing. What I wanted to say is that Nastya is a top 30 player, but I really don't understand how (QF of RG + some other points, I guess). It's not that she has better chances there than Sveta, although she's ranked higher.

About JJ's quote, I didn't read/hear what she said, so I don't know if she was commenting on her and Ana or she was speaking about the difference in rankings between Russian and Serbian team.

She didn't specify exactly who she had in mind ...

gloria7
Apr 19th, 2012, 08:33 PM
Tarpishchev : "I can't talk about our tactics against Serbia, but it is clear we can't allow Ivanovic to win points with her FH. We have to "stretch" JJ, make her run as much as we can and play with a lot of variety against her. We wanted to play at "Olimpiyskiy", but we didn't know who is going to be our next opponent. When we found out it's Serbia - the "Olimpiyskiy" was taken (occupied). Playing there, we could have used 2 courts, but here , in "Megasport" arena, there is one court ,and we can practice just 6h a day. That's not enough, because every girl has her own problem and gameplan to work on. But we already played in "Megasport" arena against Italy and girls were happy and satisfied."

Krunić : "I hope we can beat Russia, but i don't want doubles match to decide the winner. Clay is so soft - it couldn't be worse. Our feet are sinking into the clay, but i hope it can be fixed before Saturday. I think, neither team will have an advantage on this surface".

azdaja
Apr 19th, 2012, 09:13 PM
the surface news :help:

Sean.
Apr 19th, 2012, 10:58 PM
Sounds like JJ & Bojana might suit the surface more, if it's slow as shit! On the other hand there is no way Sveta or Pavys are going to be able to keep the ball in the court long enough. Kiri could be dangerous if she gets to the net enough to finish the point quickly - I quite want to see a Krunic/Kiri face off in the doubles though.

All in all it sounds like the whole tie is going to be a mess, I wouldn't expect good W/UE ratios. :lol:

Cajka
Apr 19th, 2012, 11:06 PM
Sounds like JJ & Bojana might suit the surface more, if it's slow as shit! On the other hand there is no way Sveta or Pavys are going to be able to keep the ball in the court long enough. Kiri could be dangerous if she gets to the net enough to finish the point quickly - I quite want to see a Krunic/Kiri face off in the doubles though.

All in all it sounds like the whole tie is going to be a mess, I wouldn't expect good W/UE ratios. :lol:

If Ana's bh works on that weird surface, she'll be fine. She's been very patient in long points since she started working with Nigel. So, I hope that her moonballing bh will be on. :lol:

Sean.
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:30 PM
I don't know if this is finalised yet, but it's up on the Fed Cup site:

Rubber 1: Pavlyuchenkova vs. Jankovic
Rubber 2: Kuznetsova vs. Ivanovic
Rubber 3: Pavlyuchenkova vs. Ivanovic
Rubber 4: Kuznetsova vs. Jankovic
Rubber 5: Kirilenko/Vesnina vs. Jovanovski/Krunic

Sean.
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:31 PM
I'm surprised Kirilenko didn't get a singles rubber. :scratch:

JAS_
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:40 PM
I'm surprised Kirilenko didn't get a singles rubber. :scratch:
Me too, but I am thinking it's a tactical move by Tarpie, to keep the option of using her instead either of the two girls tomorrow.
I think.

Sean.
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:42 PM
^ I suspect that's the case too, see if Sveta & Pavs can find any sort of form. I'm pretty sure that Russia can bank on the doubles rubber.

JAS_
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:46 PM
^ I suspect that's the case too, see if Sveta & Pavs can find any sort of form. I'm pretty sure that Russia can bank on the doubles rubber.
Agreed. Especially since I think he would have played today's combination anyways.

JAS_
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:48 PM
Btw I love your avie. It's probably the cutest avie in all of TF. :)

InsideOut.
Apr 20th, 2012, 05:09 PM
Ajde Ana, win your rubbers :armed:

JAS_
Apr 20th, 2012, 07:23 PM
Serb'em Up! (http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/2012/04/fed.html)

Serbia at Russia (details here; Russia leads series, 3-0): Believe it or not, the Serbs had never won a World Group tie until they mastered Belgium (sans Kim Clijsters) earlier this year. Granted, the nation has been in the Fed Cup game only since 1995, and has played under three different geopolitical configurations: Yugoslavia (1995-2003), Serbia and Montenegro (2004-2006), and then as, simply, Serbia.

Still, with either Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic active since 2001 (Jankovic played her first tie that year, at the age of 16), that amounts to perhaps the most disappointing history of any team in Fed Cup. Heck, even Justine Henin and Clijsters set aside their difference long enough to win the Fed Cup once—coincidentally its the same year that Jankovic made her debut for Yugoslavia.

This poor record is irksome, especially for Serbs, when you compare the Serbian women with their Davis Cup counterparts, who won the championship in 2010 with considerably less "on paper" talent than the women represent. Jankovic and Ivanovic have both been ranked No. 1 and played Grand Slam finals. They're both in the prime of life and career. There's no reason why they couldn't have swept this competition three, maybe four times.

If the Serbs hope to break through this year, they'll have to learn to win as favorites; Ivanovic and Jankovic are both inside the Top 20, none of the three Russian singles candidates are. In fact, the hosts are missing their best player, world No. 2 Maria Sharapova. It may help the Serbs that the tie is in Moscow, which takes away some of the pressure Ivanovic and Jankovic must feel at home.

Russia's captain, Shamil Tarpischev, is notorious for his outside-the-box thinking and willingness to buck the conventional wisdom when it comes to choosing his singles players. But there's little he can do that would truly surprise, short of nominating Elena Vesnina (WTA No. 78) to play singles in place of one of his three top stars: Maria Kirilenko (No. 21), Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (No. 22) and Svetlana Kuznetsova (No. 27).

Given that Pavlyuchenkova, who is 3-0 against Jankovic but 0-3 against Ivanovic, is mired in an awful slump (she has just three wins on the year; we're talking matches, not tournaments), going with Fed Cup stalwart Kuznetsova as the second singles player behind Kirilenko would hardly qualify as an unexpected decision.

Jankovic is 10-9 against the three Russian singles options, strongest against Kirilenko (5-1). But Ivanovic is the real nemesis for the Russians: She's 13-4 against them all, and 4-2 against Kirilenko. Given that Kuznetsova hasn't won two consecutive matches since Doha, it's hard to imagine her emerging as a surprise heroine despite that admirable 18-7 record in singles.

The real Fed Cup stalwart in this group is Jankovic. She's played 28 ties, and amassed a 32-12 record (25-7 in singles). Okay, so a lot of those W's were in sub-World Group play, against inferior competition. She still answered the call. Combine that dedication with the present form of Ivanovic, who is playing better than anyone else in this tie, and the comfort of all the players on the surface, and it looks like the Russians have their work cut out. But never underestimate the Serbs' ability to disappoint.

You don't say. :sobbing:

Cp6uja
Apr 20th, 2012, 11:56 PM
If we know current shape and careers claycourt achievements of all players involved into RUS-SRB match, first day (Saturday) will be crucial for this tie! Its best chance for Jankovic to win some match, but in same time "best chance" for Ana to lose. Serbia needs 2:0 tomorrow to reach final in november - othervise with 1:1 Russia will be bold favorite thanks to sure point in doubles.

gloria7
Apr 21st, 2012, 09:28 AM
Tarpischev thought that Jovanovski was going to play first day, because she practiced a lot, almost all day, while Ana had 2-3 "light" practice sessions and she arrived late to Moscow. So Tarpy changed his mind during the draw, when he heard that Ana is going to play on Saturday. He picked Pavs because Makiri didn't acclimatize soon enough and it seems that she wasn't very good at practice in comparison to other Russian girls. He knows Makiri is ranked higher than Pavs but Nastya has H2H 3:0 against JJ, so he hopes that fact that JJ never beat Pavs can affect JJ.

They covered the top layer of clay with small parts of marble and gently watered surface. It is firmer now and in best condition so far. Ana, our and Russian girls confirmed that clay is in better condition now than it was on Thursday.

According to Russian fans on twitter, Serbian team is in good spirits, JJ makes them laugh and seems they're not nervous at all.

Kuzzy had some problems with her knee, but Tarpy said she feels fine and pain was caused by playing on clay in "Megasport" arena. Kuzzy is surprised that Ana will play, she thinks Ana didn't practiced enough in "Megasport" arena to adjust to the surface. "Match will be very difficult for both of us, clay is bumpy, not in ideal condition and we have to be ready for the low bounce of the ball, to be careful not to get injured..."

Dementieva : "It's going to be difficult match because Serbs came to Moscow with strongest team. They are very motivated to win this tie since this is the first time that Serbian girls are playing SF in their tennis history. Matches between Ana/JJ and our girls were never easy. Clay,as a surface, suits well to both teams: Ana and Kuzzy both have won RG. But we have great players,a lot of Russian girls are in top 20 and "our bench is long".

Russian coach Larisa Savchenko said : "Serbian team has no weaknesses"...

...and now i'm officially scared.

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 11:06 AM
When is this thing starting? I am dying from this waiting.

fANAtic
Apr 21st, 2012, 11:18 AM
Just don't get injured...

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 12:58 PM
Jelena won :hysteric:

Come on now Ana!

Ivanovic2008
Apr 21st, 2012, 01:58 PM
down 2-5...

InsideOut.
Apr 21st, 2012, 01:59 PM
What is she doing? :o She's playing mediocre tennis while Kuznetsova is turning the GOAT on. Ana better step it up in the second set - at least she needs to start holding!

Cajka
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:00 PM
Svetlana is playing good, but I can't believe how awful Ana is.

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:01 PM
I don't think Ana is that bad? She just isn't moving too well.

Svetlana was fantastic in that set

doni1212
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:02 PM
Oh Ana...

Adrian1092
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:02 PM
Stream anyone??

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:03 PM
Does she even care?

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:04 PM
That ball toss omg

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:06 PM
Idemo 1-0 :)

Adrian1092
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:07 PM
Will someone please link me to a working stream? I cant seem to find one :sad:

Shinjiro
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:14 PM
Here:

http://lsh.lshunter.tv/static/popups/92016466286740.html

Adrian1092
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:17 PM
Thank Youuuuuu :yeah:

Sean.
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:19 PM
Omg the court is SO slow, she clobbered that FH and it went nowhere! :facepalm:

Sean.
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:23 PM
Nice serving! :yeah:

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:24 PM
Weird match

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:29 PM
:spit: at that return
5-1

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:31 PM
I still think Sexlana will win :sad:

Sean.
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:38 PM
This could still go either way. Real test for Ana's belief here!

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:40 PM
This could still go either way. Real test for Ana's belief here!

Yep. Hopefully something positive for once leading into the clay season

Cajka
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:40 PM
"od toga nema 'leba" :lol: He's right. This was smarted than whatever she was trying to do in that first set.

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:41 PM
I still think she will lose, thank god Sexlana is equally fucked in the mind :lol:

Sean.
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:48 PM
:facepalm:

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:50 PM
JJ clapping her on :hearts:

Cajka
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:55 PM
I'm afraid it's over now. :sad:

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:58 PM
I bet JJ is wanting Sexlana to win even if it means her country loses

Cajka
Apr 21st, 2012, 02:59 PM
Awful.

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:03 PM
1-2 well done :)

doni1212
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:03 PM
Great fight to hold there! Now get this back on track and break!

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:03 PM
Good hold Ana, come on!

Cajka
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:07 PM
treadmill again.

Sean.
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:11 PM
Still fighting!

Sean.
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:20 PM
C'mon Ana, 1 break and it's anyone's game!

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:20 PM
Another good hold. Please LIFT!

Cajka
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:21 PM
She wants this so badly, no doubt about it, but this is really not her best tennis.

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:22 PM
She will lose :(

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:23 PM
Only hope is Sexlana choking and that won't happen when she plays for mother Russia

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:24 PM
:(

marineblue
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:24 PM
Now or never, Ana.

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:26 PM
She is fired up, and really if she has any chance to break back here she needed that game to be quick so well done Ana. Do your best!

doni1212
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:26 PM
Do or die game right here!

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:26 PM
So nervous for her she'll go into suck mode after losing this :sad:

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:27 PM
15-0 :sad:

Cajka
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:27 PM
No. :sad:

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:28 PM
Oh gawd Sexlana :lol: 15-15

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:28 PM
Ajde Ana ne daj se

doni1212
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:28 PM
Mini choke on that overhead from Sveta...

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:28 PM
30-15 :(

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:29 PM
Boze!!!

InsideOut.
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:29 PM
Well that was disappointing...

The 2nd Law
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:30 PM
:o

Balkanac
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:30 PM
Gawd Sexlana you trainwreck

marineblue
Apr 21st, 2012, 03:31 PM
I expected that it would end up like this. Shame, she had her chances.