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rikvanlooy
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:42 AM
I see a trend coming up.

At Miami Justine choked a win away, but it was already clear that Justine had the upperhand in a tournament where she hadn't had any success in the past (I think Justine would have won if it would have been played in Doha).

In the beginning Kim and Lindsay trashed Justine at no end.

Then Justine began to counter their powerful play and Kim and Lindsay got frustrated. They couldn't understand why they were beaten every time.

Serena still doesn't see it, because she has won at Miami, but I think it's going to become very difficult for her to beat Justine in future.

She will try to hit harder and harder and the balls will return every time. After a couple of matches she will lose faith and think that it's impossible to beat her (just like what happened with Kim and Lindsay).

malaye
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:45 AM
Hum, mentally, Kim and Lindsay are not in the same league as Serena. I would definitely not count her out.

bandabou
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:52 AM
Nope..Serena's much much mentally tougher than Kim and Lindsay. Might be more difficult to beat Justine now..but Serena lives for challenges. I'm sure she'll go back and reflect on this loss..try to figure somethings out.

Slutiana
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:54 AM
no.

your theory's about as true as Brie Whitehead = Justine Henin :help:

pigam
Jul 5th, 2007, 10:00 AM
no, i think you're kinda wrong here.
Serena is nothing like Lindsay and even less like Kim.
i think she proved it enough. Alos, Serena's serve is like 10x as good as Kim's and 5x as good as Lindsay's.
I agree tho, that justine has the game to frustrate Serena, but nothing "more".

Yasmine
Jul 5th, 2007, 10:03 AM
^^:lol:

Seriously I think Serena is a real fighter, even when she's not 100% fit, just looking at the end of the match yesterday showed it. So I am surely not counting her out in any future encounter against JH.

saki
Jul 5th, 2007, 10:05 AM
I think what you say is true from Justine's perspective. I think choking away matches to Kim/Linds/Serena fired her up and made her more able to beat them.

But I don't think she will dominate Serena the way that she did Kim and Lindsay. Justine will beat Serena again but I also think that Serena will beat Justine again.

bwahahahahaha
Jul 5th, 2007, 10:08 AM
My goodness! I assume everybody watched the match, but if you didn't you really should stop posting this kind of nonsense. Kim = Davenport = Serena? This is the most ignorant post I've read all week.

MrSerenaWilliams
Jul 5th, 2007, 10:16 AM
Very nice words from some posters here.

I definitely think that Serena/Justine are FIRMLY in Jen/Serena territory right now. So:

:bigclap: Here's the rivalry we were all waiting for. I hope both are healthy for the summer/fall, because that could produce some :drool: tennis.

Vlad Tepes
Jul 5th, 2007, 10:27 AM
Serena is much tougher than Lindsay or Kim and she still has a few years left, so she'll be fired up to get another win the next time they meet. However, Justine will also be ready to face her! :devil:

TSequoia01
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:14 AM
Serena understands what has happened and she also understands the remedies. It is up to her to climb back on top. Will she? I believe in her so yes.

gentenaire
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:16 AM
:bigclap: Here's the rivalry we were all waiting for. I hope both are healthy for the summer/fall, because that could produce some :drool: tennis.

Exactly! I wish all the backlash and whining on the board would stop. Let us enjoy the tennis instead. These are the kind of matches people pay to see.

bandabou
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:29 AM
True rivalry now..Serena will get some, Justine will get some..at least they are meeting consistently. 3 times already this year in big matches.

supergrunt
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:51 AM
In '04 Sharapova did the same thing (beating Serena in straights and then in three when she was injured.) Now look. :lol: No biggie. :)

MrSerenaWilliams
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:53 AM
:lol: I RARELY agree w/ supergrunt, but people did think that Sharapova was going to start pwning Serena, and then after Oz....well we all know what happened after the 2005 Aussie Open SF.

Rosslyn
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:58 AM
yes, henin will go down just like sharpie

Tennisaddict
Jul 5th, 2007, 12:15 PM
Serena is more talented than Kim and Lindsay plus she is mentally the strongest active player. Justine will never dominate Serena like she did Kim and Lindsay. I think they will have a strong rivalry and that their h2h will be very balanced at the end of their careers.

supergrunt
Jul 5th, 2007, 12:16 PM
Its almost an insult to compare Serena with them. :ras:

MrSerenaWilliams
Jul 5th, 2007, 12:26 PM
yes, henin will go down just like sharpie

because THAT'S what I said.

Well, ok, let me make this clear for you:

It's impossible to predict the future. But in 2004 when everyone was talking about how Sharapova's the best, she owns Serena, the game passed her up etc. She found a way to come back and beat Sharapova, and now she's got a trot in their H2H.

Not saying that it will/not happen, but you can't say Serena's ANYTHING like Kim/Lindsay. Justine won't own Serena. NO one owns her :shrug: She has a losing H2H against 1 player she's played more than 5 times (Sanchez-Vicario leads Serena 4-3. She was 17 during most of their matches, which includes a retirment, but Serena won the last 6 sets against her VERY easily) But her +/= H2H list includes Venus, Jennifer, Lindsay, Amelie, Kim, Maria, Monica so I doubt that anyone else will make that list :shrug:

lucashg
Jul 5th, 2007, 12:26 PM
As it's a clear insult to compare Justine to Sharapova. There's absolutely NO way Justine will start being thrashed around by Serena in their matches.

And I don't expect Justine to dominate Serena, but I expect her to win every now and then on any surface. Serena will have wins everywhere too, except that on clay I'm not convinced.

Uranus
Jul 5th, 2007, 12:32 PM
Wrong. Serena > Kim and Lindsay. And I'm a Kim fan.

thrust
Jul 5th, 2007, 12:47 PM
Wish it were true, but I doubt it. Serena is mentally stronger than Kim and Lindsay. I would not say, however, that Serena^s serve is 5 times better than Lindsay^s was.

jujufreak
Jul 5th, 2007, 01:05 PM
because THAT'S what I said.

Well, ok, let me make this clear for you:

It's impossible to predict the future. But in 2004 when everyone was talking about how Sharapova's the best, she owns Serena, the game passed her up etc. She found a way to come back and beat Sharapova, and now she's got a trot in their H2H.

Not saying that it will/not happen, but you can't say Serena's ANYTHING like Kim/Lindsay. Justine won't own Serena. NO one owns her :shrug: She has a losing H2H against 1 player she's played more than 5 times (Sanchez-Vicario leads Serena 4-3. She was 17 during most of their matches, which includes a retirment, but Serena won the last 6 sets against her VERY easily) But her +/= H2H list includes Venus, Jennifer, Lindsay, Amelie, Kim, Maria, Monica so I doubt that anyone else will make that list :shrug:

it depends on how many times they meet each other and how long both will be injury-free :)

jujufreak
Jul 5th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Wrong. Serena > Kim and Lindsay. And I'm a Kim fan.

really :D ?

Dave.
Jul 5th, 2007, 01:07 PM
Yes Serena is stronger than Lindsay and Kim. Serena doesn't let anybody dominate her at all. She is the most determined and mentally toughest player out there, she'll find a way.

I don't really think Justine 'dominated' Lindsay in the end. Out of her '8' wins over Lindsay, 3 of them can be discounted due to Lindsay pulling out. The other 5 were at times where Lindsay was struggling anyway, especially the A.O. '06 QF where she didn't have a serve or a forehand. I'd say Kim dominated Lindsay much more than Justine did.

and please, it is a compliment more than anything to Serena for her to be compared to Lindsay and Kim. Shut up supergrunt:ras: :ras: and no way is Serena's serve better than Lindsay's.

jujufreak
Jul 5th, 2007, 01:08 PM
Never say something will never or no way happen, you can never be sure 100% :)

supergrunt
Jul 5th, 2007, 01:30 PM
And it was obvious that Serena was 40% physically. That match should not be takien seriously at all because she couldn't even hit a backhand. :lol:

iWill
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:17 PM
Very nice words from some posters here.

I definitely think that Serena/Justine are FIRMLY in Jen/Serena territory right now. So:

:bigclap: Here's the rivalry we were all waiting for. I hope both are healthy for the summer/fall, because that could produce some :drool: tennis.

I think that is where this is heading as well but what makes this more interesting is now Justine is closing in on Serena's tour leading 8 GS singles titles and their next match will be the telling tale because only a couple of players have ever beaten Serena 3 in a row so Justine best be ready for that

as for the original post I highly doubt that you can associate Kim with Serena for many obvious reasons I can think of 7 if you want me to be specific there hasnt been a player on tour Serena hasn't been able to figure out how to beat and Justine isnt that brilliant of a player to not lose so this hopefully shapes into a great rivalry

Uranus
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:23 PM
really :D ?
You really should get a life. :o

Craigy
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:25 PM
And it was obvious that Serena was 40% physically. That match should not be takien seriously at all because she couldn't even hit a backhand. :lol:

Trust you to still not be over. Quite pathetic actually. I'm sure Serena is already moving on to the next match-up between the two, but you prove yourself again as the official retard and troll.
Congrats, supertard. :weirdo:

Lulu.
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:39 PM
And it was obvious that Serena was 40% physically. That match should not be takien seriously at all because she couldn't even hit a backhand. :lol:

Let it go :o

In The Zone
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:08 PM
Very nice words from some posters here.

I definitely think that Serena/Justine are FIRMLY in Jen/Serena territory right now. So:

:bigclap: Here's the rivalry we were all waiting for. I hope both are healthy for the summer/fall, because that could produce some :drool: tennis.

Both are slated to play San Diego. I'd love to see a preview of the US Open Final there. :)

But Justine has beaten Serena on clay and now a Serena without a left hand. And it was still close. I think we can agree that on grass and a 100% healthy Serena would have made the match MUCH closer in her favor. This is not an excuse but really reality. Grass is Serena's while clay is Justine's. The hardcourt matches are what entice me. Those could be true battles. No more Quarterfinal matches, please. I'm not sure Serena will be able to get to # 4 by the US but we can hope the draw is kind.

master40
Jul 6th, 2007, 12:40 AM
hummm NO... Serena > Lindsay > Kim

supergrunt
Jul 6th, 2007, 12:45 AM
Would Lindsey or Kim come back from two match points down against an opponent playing out of her mind, in a major final? Would they fight back from a tough first set at a major, while being severly injured, not even able to hit a backhand, and win a set? No. Serena's determination is why she won't be beaten consistently.

Dave.
Jul 6th, 2007, 12:50 AM
Would Lindsey or Kim come back from two match points down against an opponent playing out of her mind, in a major final? Would they fight back from a tough first set at a major, while being severly injured, not even able to hit a backhand, and win a set? No. Serena's determination is why she won't be beaten consistently.

Actually Lindsay managed to get a set in a major against Henin whilst being alot more injured than Serena was yesterday herself against Henin.:rolleyes: Will you please get over the fact that Henin was too good yesterday?:rolleyes:

Apoleb
Jul 6th, 2007, 12:57 AM
:haha: at those threads popping out every five minutes about trends and predictions..etc

Serena is no Lindsay and no Kim. She will die on the court before she loses to her like 3 or 4 times in a row.

Anyway, I'm loving the rivalrly. Definitely the best 2 competitors, and you know they're going to give their best in each match. Just watch the first point in their match yesterday. There's definitely no love lost between them.

supergrunt
Jul 6th, 2007, 01:05 AM
Actually Lindsay managed to get a set in a major against Henin whilst being alot more injured than Serena was yesterday herself against Henin.:rolleyes: Will you please get over the fact that Henin was too good yesterday?:rolleyes:

Well did she ever save match point and win against top-notch Henin? And how do you know the severity of each player's injuries? Did you jump into their bodies and play the match for them? No? You didn't? Then shut up. :)

Craigy
Jul 6th, 2007, 01:06 AM
Well did she ever save match point and win against top-notch Henin? And how do you know the severity of each player's injuries? Did you jump into their bodies and play the match for them? No? You didn't? Then shut up. :)

Well is that what you did for Serena then? Because you seem so certain that her injury was worse.

GrandSlam05
Jul 6th, 2007, 01:19 AM
I won't comment on Kim b/c I don't want bad reps, but Lindsay cannot be compared to Serena. Lindsay loves to dominate. She loves to just go out and have everything go her way and win. Serena loves to play this way also (everybody does LOL), but in addition Serena loves to battle. Add that to her superior speed and they can't really be compared. I love Lindsay to death, but if she had half the heart of Serena, she would probably have about 6 majors or so instead of just 3.
But I can't agree that Serena's serve is 5x better than Lindsay's. Better yes, but not by 5x LOL.

Dave.
Jul 6th, 2007, 01:20 AM
Well did she ever save match point and win against top-notch Henin?

That's just completely irrelevant. I didn't say she had. I'm not saying Lindsay is mentally stronger than Serena; cause she's not. I'm pointing out your ignorance and stupidity.

And how do you know the severity of each player's injuries? Did you jump into their bodies and play the match for them? No? You didn't? Then shut up. :)

:smash:

*roddicksinme*
Jul 6th, 2007, 01:24 AM
I was actually thinking about that earlier today and I agree with you except I dont think Serena will lose EVERY time. I think Justine will end up with like a 60-40 chance going into matches against Serena