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JenCpLvr
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:34 AM
Her one dimensional game is technically horrible. She strikes her forehands with authority and it is admitedly a pretty shot. Her backhand, at times, is a great shot as well.. but the girl is rarely in position, takes heiffer steps to the ball, and has the least variety (next to Sharapova) of any player I've seen this decade. Her slice is a complete joke and anything besides a HARD FLAT baseline shot just looks plain awkward.

I know, she wins, but it's intimidation, power and pure fight that gets her through matches and to the top of the game. She is not a raw tennis talent and her skills have completely been honed to be the power (and only power) game taught by Richard Williams.

Oh, and I can't blame her poor tennis form on Richard alone.. Venus has a much more technically sound game and can truly hit some beautiful shots AWAY from the baseline.

I make this post not to hate, but to point out that in order for someone to convince me they're the best of all time, they must have nice strokes to go along with that nice record.

PatrickRyan
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:38 AM
:lol: And her lack of form won her 8 grand slam titles and she is the most accomplished player of the era.
And are you basing this from the Henin match today? If so you should really get a reality check because Serena hardly ever used the backhand slice before this match. And in this match her strokes were off due to hand injury, more so on the backhand side.

~Eclipsed~
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:40 AM
Is this poster serious? :shrug:

I've read a lot of Serena hate threads before, but this poster seems down right ignorant to Serena's game and success.

StarDuvallGrant
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:40 AM
Dang, Serena's greatness status is being held up by your need to be convinced. Shucks :fiery:

JenCpLvr
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:45 AM
Sure, I'm serious.

I'm making a simple point that her game is very unattractive to the tennis technician's eye.

She shows nothing unique in her game, besides her ability to muscle the ball... that is rooted in pure physical strength more so than skill.

I'm, by no means, trying to negate her achievements.. as she deserves respect for what she's accomplished, but her game isn't pretty.. any way you slice it.

Justine Henin is a natural, graceful tennis player. Serena Williams is an athlete.

Reuchlin
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:47 AM
What's wrong with being an athlete when playing a professional sport?

jbone_0307
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:48 AM
Have you seen her serve? It is technically sound and the best on tour. Her second serve can only be rivaled by men with the amount of topspin placed on it. Why am I even responding to this post?

JenCpLvr
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:49 AM
What's wrong with being an athlete when playing a professional sport?

Nothing wrong, but it's nice to see a natural tennis talent at times too.

PatrickRyan
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:50 AM
Nothing wrong, but it's nice to see a natural tennis talent at times too.

So Serena is not naturally tennis talented :haha: omg :o

darrinbaker00
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:55 AM
Sure, I'm serious.

I'm making a simple point that her game is very unattractive to the tennis technician's eye.

She shows nothing unique in her game, besides her ability to muscle the ball... that is rooted in pure physical strength more so than skill.

I'm, by no means, trying to negate her achievements.. as she deserves respect for what she's accomplished, but her game isn't pretty.. any way you slice it.

Justine Henin is a natural, graceful tennis player. Serena Williams is an athlete.
I always thought the object of the game was to win, not be aesthetically pleasing in one person's opinion. Silly me!

moby
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:25 AM
You lost all credibility when you said Venus has a more technically sound game.

In The Zone
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:43 AM
You lost all credibility when you said Venus has a more technically sound game.

Exactly. Serena's game is much more sound than Venus'. I really don't know what this poster was thinking ...

adison-hingis
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:49 AM
She may be right about Serena and Venus' tennis. I also think that Venus' tennis is more sound and technical than Serena's. But Serena is a greater fighter, and that brought her many more titles than Venus and the rest.

~Eclipsed~
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:52 AM
She may be right about Serena and Venus' tennis. I also think that Venus' tennis is more sound and technical than Serena's. But Serena is a greater fighter, and that brought her many more titles than Venus and the rest.

Another one!

Oh no, tennis ignorance is spreading! :scared:

le bon vivant
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:53 AM
:haha:

Donatello
Jul 5th, 2007, 05:34 AM
When you said...
Jennifer Capriati-My #1 Always!
I would ask...
Because of her 2-dimensional game or because of her 1-dimensional game ?

(Ball-bashing and playing a decent game only on Hard Courts, well that's pretty 1-dimensional)

:bigwave: credibility

PS: If someone would look up the stats of most dropshots made, Serena would def. top the list, technically horrible my ass. There isn't anyone with a more technically perfect serve than her, and besides Justine and Momo anyone else on tour would love to have a backhand like that.

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Jul 5th, 2007, 05:52 AM
and has the least variety (next to Sharapova) of any player I've seen this decade.

I disagree with most of what you wrote about Serena, but agreed whole heartedly with this statement about Shrieky.

Shriek is only 20, so there's hope for her to improve her game.

The banshee shrieks must be eliminated at all cost for all players. If I were tennis commissioner, I'd deduct a point for every loud banshee scream that was NOT followed by a winner! :lol: :smoke:

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Jul 5th, 2007, 05:55 AM
I always thought the object of the game was to win, not be aesthetically pleasing in one person's opinion. Silly me!

Pete Bodo did a post yesterday on the difference between the "aethetically pleasing players verses the pure competitors (may not have an aethetically pleasing game, but does what needs to do to win). Very interesting read.

bandabou
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:47 AM
Your opinion..but a great serve and mental strength can win you a lot of matches.

tennisbear7
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:10 AM
:haha:

Slutiana
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:13 AM
:haha::help: at this thread omg!!:help:

dearplastic
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:17 AM
I almost laughed, but I decided it wasn't worth the effort.

You have obviously never played tennis. Not attractive from a technician's point of view? Uhh... what the hell are you talking about? Please return to your troll cave. You clearly know nothing... ABSOLUTELY nothing about tennis.

Just_lindsay
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:29 AM
Her one dimensional game is technically horrible. She strikes her forehands with authority and it is admitedly a pretty shot. Her backhand, at times, is a great shot as well.. but the girl is rarely in position, takes heiffer steps to the ball, and has the least variety (next to Sharapova) of any player I've seen this decade. Her slice is a complete joke and anything besides a HARD FLAT baseline shot just looks plain awkward.

I know, she wins, but it's intimidation, power and pure fight that gets her through matches and to the top of the game. She is not a raw tennis talent and her skills have completely been honed to be the power (and only power) game taught by Richard Williams.

Oh, and I can't blame her poor tennis form on Richard alone.. Venus has a much more technically sound game and can truly hit some beautiful shots AWAY from the baseline.

I make this post not to hate, but to point out that in order for someone to convince me they're the best of all time, they must have nice strokes to go along with that nice record.


Word.

sorceress
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:30 AM
Serena's a power player that's all.
And the tour is full of them now,I do understand what you're saying but you're a bit over the top with it.

She's a talented girl,you can have the all the beautiful shots in the world but if you don't have the intensity and fight to go with it,it counts for nothing.

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 5th, 2007, 08:53 AM
You lost all credibility when you said Venus has a more technically sound game.

exactly. This person obviously doesn't watch tennis much.

cypher_88
Jul 5th, 2007, 08:57 AM
OMG....even a hater, like myself, gets bored of reading the same BS over and over again. Serena is a great player and her game is not only about ballbashing.

aussie_fan
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:05 AM
I actually agree with somewhat of what the poster has said. Technically her game isn't that great, she can tend to hit some wild shots and lose ehr footing whil trying to hit some of her groundstrokes. Yes, her game is not all about ballbashing, she's very mentally strong and always fights to stay in a point and at times she can have some great touch as well, i can remember a few great dropshots from her this wimby. She's actually been in solid form this tourney, she's striking the ball really well, just was hampered by injuries and beaten by a better player in the end.

Fidello
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:34 AM
Not possible to talk with disciples of Serena cult. When is mass suicide scheduled?

Naranoc
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:34 AM
Serena is clinically obese.

Chrisi
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:37 AM
Haha, she is soo bad :D

Look at her results!!!

JenCpLvr
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:13 PM
Give me a break people... who cares about her results? That wasn't wasnt my objective with this post.

I'm simply saying she doesn't have a fluid, natural game... When she's forced into using variety, she looks awkward. Nothing is natural for her except the power game from the baseline.

BOTTOM LINE.

Jasmin
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:25 PM
This is funny King. How pathetic can you be. Still searching for validation.

So what you don't like her game. Most people do.

Craigy
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:31 PM
Give me a break people... who cares about her results? That wasn't wasnt my objective with this post.

I'm simply saying she doesn't have a fluid, natural game... When she's forced into using variety, she looks awkward. Nothing is natural for her except the power game from the baseline.

BOTTOM LINE.

:haha: :haha: :haha: Ok :help:

iWill
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:35 PM
Sure, I'm serious.

I'm making a simple point that her game is very unattractive to the tennis technician's eye.

She shows nothing unique in her game, besides her ability to muscle the ball... that is rooted in pure physical strength more so than skill.

I'm, by no means, trying to negate her achievements.. as she deserves respect for what she's accomplished, but her game isn't pretty.. any way you slice it.

Justine Henin is a natural, graceful tennis player. Serena Williams is an athlete.

You're exactly right Serena IS an athlete that has been taught to play tennis much like Nadal on the men's side because he was originally a soccer player I understand the point you were trying to make but the way ur saying it is coming off as an attack on Serena's game and achievements

She doesnt have a "technically" pretty game because being an "athlete" her shots come natural to her the thing that stands out besides Serena's heart and will to win his yes her physical stature but its also her ability to turn defense quickly into offense and her ability to hit great shots while being off balance

she also has a great serve and if you take away the power from her serve it is still a good shot because she has great placement and she mixes it up alot to keep her opponents guessing

like i said i get your point not that i agree with it 100% but I also wonder what was pretty or techinically sound about Capriati's game because shes one of the players along with Seles that inspired Serena's

tennis ace
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:36 PM
Her one dimensional game is technically horrible. She strikes her forehands with authority and it is admitedly a pretty shot. Her backhand, at times, is a great shot as well.. but the girl is rarely in position, takes heiffer steps to the ball, and has the least variety (next to Sharapova) of any player I've seen this decade. Her slice is a complete joke and anything besides a HARD FLAT baseline shot just looks plain awkward.

I know, she wins, but it's intimidation, power and pure fight that gets her through matches and to the top of the game. She is not a raw tennis talent and her skills have completely been honed to be the power (and only power) game taught by Richard Williams.

Oh, and I can't blame her poor tennis form on Richard alone.. Venus has a much more technically sound game and can truly hit some beautiful shots AWAY from the baseline.

I make this post not to hate, but to point out that in order for someone to convince me they're the best of all time, they must have nice strokes to go along with that nice record.

Thats all good enough for me i love her for it! and i also love Venus but you are so wrong about her game it is much more based on just power and she does not have a more technically sound game......may seem that way right now on grass but it is far from the truth all around.

JenCpLvr
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:41 PM
Thats all good enough for me i love her for it! and i also love Venus but you are so wrong about her game it is much more based on just power and she does not have a more technically sound game......may seem that way right now on grass but it is far from the truth all around.

I'm sure you (and everyone else) is basing this opinion on Venus' results versus Serena'. I'm not comparing achievements, I'm simply pointing out the technical side and Venus isn't as awkward when pushed into another type of game.

I mean, have you people seen Serena hit a slice off balance? Her whole body shifts, both legs go flying in the air.. it just aint pretty. :lol:

Avid Merrion
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:42 PM
I make this post not to hate

:lol: yeah right... :rolleyes:

8 slams, baby. most players would kill for that kind of bad form :p

supergrunt
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:43 PM
I think all of Serena's strokes are so fluid and pretty. And her backahand was so ugly becuase she couldn't hit a two-handed backhand.

JenCpLvr
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:44 PM
:lol: yeah right... :rolleyes:

8 slams, baby. most players would kill for that kind of bad form :p


Please --- Brad Gilbert had about the ugliest game in the sport, EVER.. and he was still successful in spurts.

Do you not understand the difference between success and the object of my post? doyyyy. :rolleyes: :tape: :lol:

supergrunt
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:44 PM
And plus you're just a loser on an interent tennis forum, so.... nobody cares. :)

Jasmin
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:44 PM
It's all about hate that's all.

frontier
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:45 PM
Its open season on bashing Serena ,its just pure jealousy because she is a confident person and believes in herself.I heard one of the espn commentators saying that Youzhny back spasms are due to the weather but with Serena its faking the duplicity if this board and the media is pathetic.

Tennisaddict
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:46 PM
Why are so many people even seriously responding to this thread :help:

volta
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:48 PM
LMFAO :haha: i actually lmao when i saw this post :lol: :lol:

Lulu.
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:51 PM
When you said...

Jennifer Capriati-My #1 Always!

I would ask...
Because of her 2-dimensional game or because of her 1-dimensional game ?

(Ball-bashing and playing a decent game only on Hard Courts, well that's pretty 1-dimensional)

:bigwave: credibility

PS: If someone would look up the stats of most dropshots made, Serena would def. top the list, technically horrible my ass. There isn't anyone with a more technically perfect serve than her, and besides Justine and Momo anyone else on tour would love to have a backhand like that.

Well said

PamShriverRockz
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:58 PM
Her one dimensional game is technically horrible. She strikes her forehands with authority and it is admitedly a pretty shot. Her backhand, at times, is a great shot as well.. but the girl is rarely in position, takes heiffer steps to the ball, and has the least variety (next to Sharapova) of any player I've seen this decade. Her slice is a complete joke and anything besides a HARD FLAT baseline shot just looks plain awkward.

I know, she wins, but it's intimidation, power and pure fight that gets her through matches and to the top of the game. She is not a raw tennis talent and her skills have completely been honed to be the power (and only power) game taught by Richard Williams.

Oh, and I can't blame her poor tennis form on Richard alone.. Venus has a much more technically sound game and can truly hit some beautiful shots AWAY from the baseline.

I make this post not to hate, but to point out that in order for someone to convince me they're the best of all time, they must have nice strokes to go along with that nice record.

:lol:

Thanks for that, I haven't laughed so much for years!

DefyingGravity
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:07 PM
Well, beautiful ball-striking can be overrated sometimes. In the case of Justine Henin, it's not overrated. In the case of Daniela Hantuchova...yeah, it's a little bit. From a technician's point of view, I can see how unpleasing her game is to the eye, and how much more attractive Mauresmo, Henin, and Hingis are. But the point of tennis, once again, is to win as much as possible with what you've got. Serena's used all her athletic talents.

As for the original poster of the thread, he's a Capriati fan. Capriati's stroke production (the result) is absolutely gorgeous. I've always had a problem with her backhand, like you have a problem with Serena's backhand

davidmario
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:11 PM
Give me a break people... who cares about her results? That wasn't wasnt my objective with this post.

I'm simply saying she doesn't have a fluid, natural game... When she's forced into using variety, she looks awkward. Nothing is natural for her except the power game from the baseline.

BOTTOM LINE.

So what is your intention of this post, it may be true but what are you trying to reach by telling us these words?

It's like starting a thread like "CHINA: Ricebag fallen over - Situation Unclear"

And BTW: Why do you love Pennifer Catsiati then? I mean SHE HAS THE MOST ONE-DIMENSIONAL GAME I'VE EVER SEEN. She can't put topspin on the ball and that's why she can't hit great angles. Also like 60% of her shots just land in the middle of the court when she's on the defense and her serve is flat and nothing special.

LoveFifteen
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:20 PM
You lost all credibility when you said Venus has a more technically sound game.

So true! :haha:

The Original Poster has no credibility. Sounds like Steffi Graf has opened yet another sock puppet account. Don't you have anything better to do when Jayden is taking a nap? :mad:

Slutiana
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:21 PM
Give me a break people... who cares about her results? That wasn't wasnt my objective with this post.

I'm simply saying she doesn't have a fluid, natural game... When she's forced into using variety, she looks awkward. Nothing is natural for her except the power game from the baseline.

BOTTOM LINE.

:haha::help:

Please --- Brad Gilbert had about the ugliest game in the sport, EVER.. and he was still successful in spurts.

Do you not understand the difference between success and the object of my post? doyyyy. :rolleyes: :tape: :lol:

:help::haha: what the hell is doyyy and it's a spotr ont a spurt:tape:

Jasmin
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:26 PM
So what is your intention of this post, it may be true but what are you trying to reach by telling us these words?

It's like starting a thread like "CHINA: Ricebag fallen over - Situation Unclear"

And BTW: Why do you love Pennifer Catsiati then? I mean SHE HAS THE MOST ONE-DIMENSIONAL GAME I'VE EVER SEEN. She can't put topspin on the ball and that's why she can't hit great angles. Also like 60% of her shots just land in the middle of the court when she's on the defense and her serve is flat and nothing special.


This is what I was thinking. Plus they like Jennifer C...wow she looked good on the court. However if they like Jennifer then I can see where they are coming from.:lol: :rolleyes:

azinna
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:28 PM
Her one dimensional game is technically horrible....the girl is rarely in position, takes heiffer steps to the ball, and has the least variety (next to Sharapova) of any player I've seen this decade. Her slice is a complete joke and anything besides a HARD FLAT baseline shot just looks plain awkward....She is not a raw tennis talent and her skills have completely been honed to be the power (and only power) game taught by Richard Williams....I make this post not to hate, but to....

....to show either your bias or lack of understanding of the game. Right now, Serena's footwork, movement and anticipation is about 75% of what she's shown she's capable of, for all sorts of reasons. So, yes, she is more often out of position than we'd like from a top player. But her native tennis talent is without question.

You'd have to go back to around 1998 to see the ridiculous variety Serena had, when her technique, hands and ball-striking was so obviously up there with Davenport's: varied and disguised serves, depth, angles, dropshots, lobs, wrong-footing shots from nowhere. She lost a lot of matches back then in part because she was confused with the number of options she had, and for many young and overly talented players this is a recipe for over-thinking and eventual choking. I think the best thing Richard and Oracene did over the years was to hone and simplify, much in the same way Steffi's game was sculpted to maximize her advantage over her opponents.

Of course, by 1988 Steffi was accused by some pundits and players not simply of having awkward, boring and limited strokes, but also of not even playing tennis. I guess it's the sort of nonsense certain players must deal with when they challenge set notions of talent and aesthetics.

nozaroc
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:38 PM
Not a Serena fan, but you've got to be kidding. When she's at her best, there's more technique going on than you might think. It's just hidden behind serious pace. She's also a lot smarter on the court than people think. It's not just pure athletics. There's a lot of athletically gifted women who don't get where she is. And there's about 700 ladies out there who would kill for that bad form.

historystupid
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:03 PM
"Oh my god! Serena has the worst form I've ever seen!!! Her fastest serve is 120 mph, not 160 mph!!! That is not even close to her best form!!! She can give Roger Federer double bagel when she's on!!! There's nothing she can't do when she's at her best!!!"
My question is, has she ever been in "her best form"? Or "Serena's best form " only exists in her fans' imagination?

Kim's_fan_4ever
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:05 PM
Have you seen her for the first time or something?

Larrybidd
Jul 5th, 2007, 05:00 PM
Not a Serena fan, but you've got to be kidding. When she's at her best, there's more technique going on than you might think. It's just hidden behind serious pace. She's also a lot smarter on the court than people think. It's not just pure athletics. There's a lot of athletically gifted women who don't get where she is. And there's about 700 ladies out there who would kill for that bad form.

Boy is Serena smart. It took me a set and a half to figure out what was wrong with her. She could not use her 2 handed back hand (at least not hit one with any pace at all) the entire match, and it looks like Henin (and apearently coach as well, who was telling Juju in the last game to go to the forehand) never could pick up on it.

I was wondering why Serena was trying to guess the direction of Henin's serve in the first set. I thought maybe it was because maybe Serena felt she couldn't move, and had to start moving before Juju hit the serve. Now I see that Serena was just trying to protect her backhand by receiving serve a step to her left, and trying to bait Juju into serving her forehand. Good stuff.

The commentators were also slower to analyze what was wrong with Serena. I figured it out about the same time as Johnny Mac, that is about late in the 2nd set. It took Mary Jo until the 3rd set for the light to go off. They were all asking the right questions though: Why was a girl with one of the most devestating two handed back hands in the world, using these goofy slice back hand instead? Why indeed.

Becool
Jul 5th, 2007, 05:14 PM
the thread starter is an openly serena hater

to say she has no technique is a proof.

he/she's so pathetic in making his/her ideas based in a match serena was clearly injured, saying her backhand sucks, when she obviously couldn't hit it.. ..

this poster has to win the dumbest user award, congratulations! :D

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 5th, 2007, 05:19 PM
The thread starters a coward. Like many of these other roach-like haters, it came out in full force WHEN SERENA LOST. It's easy to level all sorts of criticism then. It's cowardly. At the end of the day, the critcism will be irrelevant. Serena will be in the hall of fame as one of the all time greats and they'll be living the pathetic little hate filled lives. :lol:

John.
Jul 5th, 2007, 05:24 PM
This threadstarter :weirdo:

sharapovarulz1
Jul 5th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Is the title of this thread a joke? Lol I am not Serena's biggest fan but i can see this thread is utter bullshit!

jcempire
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:08 PM
Sure, I'm serious.

I'm making a simple point that her game is very unattractive to the tennis technician's eye.

She shows nothing unique in her game, besides her ability to muscle the ball... that is rooted in pure physical strength more so than skill.

I'm, by no means, trying to negate her achievements.. as she deserves respect for what she's accomplished, but her game isn't pretty.. any way you slice it.

Justine Henin is a natural, graceful tennis player. Serena Williams is an athlete.


Are you kidding?

Volcana
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:16 PM
Her one dimensional game is technically horrible. She strikes her forehands with authority and it is admitedly a pretty shot. Her backhand, at times, is a great shot as well.. but the girl is rarely in position, takes heiffer steps to the ball, and has the least variety (next to Sharapova) of any player I've seen this decade.Hmm... I'm sure I can think if at least one other player in this decade with a more one-dimensional than Serena.

Aha! Jennifer Capriati.

dreamgoddess099
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Her one dimensional game is technically horrible. She strikes her forehands with authority and it is admitedly a pretty shot. Her backhand, at times, is a great shot as well..
but the girl is rarely in position, takes heiffer steps to the ball,What the hell do you expect from someone playing with a sore hamstring and calf?

and has the least variety (next to Sharapova) of any player I've seen this decade.Actually it's the variety on her serve that makes it the best and she hits incredibly hard angles quite often. You sure you don't have her confused with Jen Jen?


Her slice is a complete joke and anything besides a HARD FLAT baseline shot just looks plain awkward. JenCap's serve was a complete joke. Amanda Coetzer could hit it harder and she was about 5 inches shorter than Jennifer. How's that for lack of technique.

I know, she wins, but it's intimidation, power and pure fight that gets her through matches and to the top of the game.:eek: WHAT!!!How dare she. I swear this shit is becoming funnier and funnier by the sentence.:lol:

She is not a raw tennis talent and her skills have completely been honed to be the power (and only power) game taught by Richard Williams.You're just doing harm to the entire women's tour. I mean what does it say about all the other players on the wta if the player with the most slams has no talent? Furthermore, if their supposed superior talent doesn't win them more slams than her then what use is it?


I make this post not to hate, but to point out that in order for someone to convince me they're the best of all time, they must have nice strokes to go along with that nice record.

:haha: Are you out of your everloving mind. Serena doens't have to convince shit to you, all she has to do is win which she has. You're just mad because you can't take her power and strength away from her and give it to your fav. So instead you try to diminish it.

Thanx4nothin
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:45 PM
Hilarious.

Slutiana
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:51 PM
the thread starter is an openly serena hater

to say she has no technique is a proof.

he/she's so pathetic in making his/her ideas based in a match serena was clearly injured, saying her backhand sucks, when she obviously couldn't hit it.. ..

this poster has to win the dumbest user award, congratulations! :D

i dno...its between reuchlin and this person :shrug: why dont we just give them joint prize? :lol:

mirzalover
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:56 PM
I'm sure you (and everyone else) is basing this opinion on Venus' results versus Serena'. I'm not comparing achievements, I'm simply pointing out the technical side and Venus isn't as awkward when pushed into another type of game.

I mean, have you people seen Serena hit a slice off balance? Her whole body shifts, both legs go flying in the air.. it just aint pretty. :lol:

Thats the key word in that statement OFF BLANCE. Who the hell looks good hitting any shot when their off blance

Slutiana
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:58 PM
Thats the key word in that statement OFF BLANCE. Who the hell looks good hitting any shot when their off blance

so true:lol:

Apoorv
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:07 PM
serena's game is technically very solid. though she does not play with as much variety as henin but her results speak of her talent. her game is not of touch but of power dont expect her to go for beautiful slices.

égalité
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:10 PM
*death*

Have you ever seen Serena play?

Jean-Pierre.
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:09 PM
Serena is clinically obese.

Without a doubt.

darrinbaker00
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:11 PM
Serena is clinically obese.
And you're.....you. Advantage, Serena.

SV_Fan
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:17 PM
But they were also coached by Rick Macci and plus Richard those not only teach a power game look at their DVD and you'll see that.

Craigy
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:21 PM
Without a doubt.

God, you really must be obsessed with her to have gone and taken her weight. :unsure:

vettipooh
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:38 PM
I'm sure you (and everyone else) is basing this opinion on Venus' results versus Serena'. I'm not comparing achievements, I'm simply pointing out the technical side and Venus isn't as awkward when pushed into another type of game.

I mean, have you people seen Serena hit a slice off balance? Her whole body shifts, both legs go flying in the air.. it just aint pretty. :lol:

Neither is Jennifer's mug shot!!!:rolleyes:

Naranoc
Jul 5th, 2007, 11:41 PM
And you're.....you. Advantage, Serena.

No, advantage the hypersensitive internet loser who takes everything said on a forum seriously :weirdo:

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 6th, 2007, 01:18 AM
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/dlandy22/kellywth.jpg

sfselesfan
Jul 6th, 2007, 01:29 AM
Her one dimensional game is technically horrible. She strikes her forehands with authority and it is admitedly a pretty shot. Her backhand, at times, is a great shot as well.. but the girl is rarely in position, takes heiffer steps to the ball, and has the least variety (next to Sharapova) of any player I've seen this decade. Her slice is a complete joke and anything besides a HARD FLAT baseline shot just looks plain awkward.

I know, she wins, but it's intimidation, power and pure fight that gets her through matches and to the top of the game. She is not a raw tennis talent and her skills have completely been honed to be the power (and only power) game taught by Richard Williams.

Oh, and I can't blame her poor tennis form on Richard alone.. Venus has a much more technically sound game and can truly hit some beautiful shots AWAY from the baseline.

I make this post not to hate, but to point out that in order for someone to convince me they're the best of all time, they must have nice strokes to go along with that nice record.

Wait a second. Aren't you describing Jennifer Capriati? :p

SF

fawnrc
Jul 6th, 2007, 02:41 AM
Give me a break people... who cares about her results? That wasn't wasnt my objective with this post.

I'm simply saying she doesn't have a fluid, natural game... When she's forced into using variety, she looks awkward. Nothing is natural for her except the power game from the baseline.

BOTTOM LINE.

Dr. Pretty Procedure, the cardiac surgeon has the most beautiful technique I have ever seen when working...but all of his patients continue to die.

On the other hand Dr. Unconventional, the cardiac surgeon really makes some odd-looking hand movements and stands on one leg...strangely all of his patients live and he is requested by everyone during a difficult procedure.

Me personally, I would request Dr. Unconventional, as well.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 6th, 2007, 02:54 AM
Did anyone see that Venus' semi got centre court and not JH :banana:

meyerpl
Jul 6th, 2007, 03:16 AM
Nope. The worst form I've ever seen was Renee' Richards. She ran like a girl!

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2007, 03:24 AM
Come on now you know how it goes with the Williams sisters..they loose a match and everybody a gotdamn critic...lol..some of her fans (like myself) should be use to this now.

jmosh
Jul 6th, 2007, 03:26 AM
okay, obviously dude you're a complete idiot! don't you realize that you are wrong considering NO ONE agrees with you. Serena is an awesome tennis player BOTTOM LINE. Did you happen to watch this years Australian Open final, how could anyone even think of saying something negative about serena's tennis game! And you must be basing her "horrible slicing" on her match against Justine where she had a wrist injury and could barely hit a backhand period. So, check your facts or look into checking into a mental institution.

rjd1111
Jul 6th, 2007, 03:28 AM
Sure, I'm serious.

I'm making a simple point that her game is very unattractive to the tennis technician's eye.

She shows nothing unique in her game, besides her ability to muscle the ball... that is rooted in pure physical strength more so than skill.

I'm, by no means, trying to negate her achievements.. as she deserves respect for what she's accomplished, but her game isn't pretty.. any way you slice it.

Justine Henin is a natural, graceful tennis player. Serena Williams is an athlete.



It seems amazing that someone who is just an athlete, and not a Tennis player
can beat all the best " Tennis Players". Even on one leg as she did
against Dani. But alas, she couldn't beat the no1 Natural Tennis player
on one leg and with one arm......in three sets.

rjd1111
Jul 6th, 2007, 03:30 AM
Pete Bodo did a post yesterday on the difference between the "aethetically pleasing players verses the pure competitors (may not have an aethetically pleasing game, but does what needs to do to win). Very interesting read.


could you Post the link please.

Dominic
Jul 6th, 2007, 04:09 AM
Seriously williams fans are the most dellusional fans easily. This poster is 100% right that Serena doesnt have a pretty game in anyway. The only technically sound thing about her game is her serve. As for the rest, her footwork is ordinary, her strokes often look strange and akward and she hits tons of mishits and she does NOT have much variety. Yes serena has tons of qualities, she has amazing power which does require talent and skills to keep the ball in play and she is an awesome athlete that always gives her best but her game is in no way pretty or technically perfect.

usopen01
Jul 6th, 2007, 04:34 AM
:lol:

Thanks for that, I haven't laughed so much for years!

ditto :haha:

le bon vivant
Jul 6th, 2007, 04:35 AM
Seriously williams fans are the most dellusional fans easily. This poster is 100% right that Serena doesnt have a pretty game in anyway. The only technically sound thing about her game is her serve. As for the rest, her footwork is ordinary, her strokes often look strange and akward and she hits tons of mishits and she does NOT have much variety. Yes serena has tons of qualities, she has amazing power which does require talent and skills to keep the ball in play and she is an awesome athlete that always gives her best but her game is in no way pretty or technically perfect."Pretty" is a subjective criteria. Dummy.

Jean-Pierre.
Jul 6th, 2007, 02:26 PM
God, you really must be obsessed with her to have gone and taken her weight. :unsure:

Stalker. :cuckoo:

Craigy
Jul 6th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Stalker. :cuckoo:

I know you are. :lol:
What a creep you are. Going and taking Serena's weight. Get help :help: