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Morphology
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:30 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

Stamp Paid
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:32 AM
Get over it

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:33 AM
Get over it


It just registered recently. :shrug: Bad rep and report. This thing won't last long.

Jasmin
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:34 AM
:lol...you can only laugh at these threads sometimes.

vettipooh
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:34 AM
:rolleyes:

darrinbaker00
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:35 AM
BOO

comma

HOO

comma

HOO!!

vettipooh
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:36 AM
BOO

comma

HOO

comma

HOO!!

:lol:

pedestrian0
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:36 AM
She grew up in Compton. What were you expecting?

darrinbaker00
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:40 AM
She grew up in Compton. What were you expecting?
Could you be just a little more racist, please?

franklinbouvier
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:41 AM
Woah.
That's a lot of anger in one post.
However, I'm going to stick my neck out here...

I am a huge fan of Serena, her achievements and her game. But I believe her behaviour in the Hantuchova match smacks of gamesmanship and her comments after the QF against Henin were pointlessly graceless.
We all know you're one of the best, Serena. However we also know that even the best lose from time to time. If the rest of the world can deal with the fact that sometimes you will be outplayed then perhaps it's time you come to terms with it and realise some of your peers are pretty fucking special too.

spencercarlos
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:42 AM
Get over it
One of the few FIRST posts made by someone (who could be called a troll by many not me though) that makes a lot of sense, and explains things without insulting a player or posting ridiculous stuff.

As i said yesterday Serena better beat Henin otherwise this would become a "comedy of excuses", and Serena losing just proved that to be.

Anyway things could be said here and there, in the end of the day Serena is out of the tournament and Henin is still in contention, and that´s what it matters the most. Excuses won´t win a title or get her the match back.

:wavey:

jb08
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:44 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.
It may seem she is classless as you say because most matches she plays do rely on her more so than the other players. Nobody really can outplay serena but herself. but when she does get beaten she says that the opponent played well if they did. Do you think if Roger FEderer lost to someone through by playing badly he would talk about how good the opponent played over how much he played bad? no!!!!!!!!!!! so much of this is the same with serena. when playing her best she is the absolute best. and about the james blake comment the reason why you don't have the problem with him because he just isn't at the top of tennis at the moment and does not have the confidence and self belief of a champion as serena, so the comments he makes refelect that. all non serena fans should keep quiet because a lot of the arguments put on this site are stupid and are fueled by jealousy. Today it was clear she was injured and why give credit where credit is not due. Henin played ok and serena was unfortunately unable physically to compete at the highest level due to injury so she lost and not because Henin played so spectacular.

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:47 AM
One of the few FIRST posts made by someone (who could be called a troll by many not me though) that makes a lot of sense, and explains things without insulting a player or posting ridiculous stuff.

As i said yesterday Serena better beat Henin otherwise this would become a "comedy of excuses", and Serena losing just proved that to be.

Anyway things could be said here and there, in the end of the day Serena is out of the tournament and Henin is still in contention, and that´s what it matters the most. Excuses won´t win a title or get her the match back.

:wavey:


What are you talking about troll? Serena fans have predicted Justine to win this QF encounter since Serena's cramp woes and the poll will tell you that. Stop trolling around obsessing over Serena. Concentrate on your own faves. :lol: Or better yet, you use to have some sick fixation on Venus all the time. You haven't spoke about her lately? I wonder why?

spencercarlos
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:50 AM
What are you talking about troll? Serena fans have predicted Justine to win this QF encounter since Serena's cramp woes and the poll will tell you that. Stop trolling around obsessing over Serena. Concentrate on your own faves. :lol: Or better yet, you use to have some sick fixation on Venus all the time. You haven't spoke about her lately? I wonder why?
Get over it.. i will repeat it again....

Serena is out of the tournament and Henin is still in contention, and that´s what it matters the most. Excuses won´t win a title or get her the match back.

:wavey:

danieln1
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:52 AM
Wow, great post, you just said the truth... this "100% percent I would have beaten her" it´s just bullshit

Jasmin
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:52 AM
Not.....:lol:

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:54 AM
Get over it.. i will repeat it again....

Serena is out of the tournament and Henin is still in contention, and that´s what it matters the most. Excuses won´t win a title or get her the match back.

:wavey:

I didn't say it would. I already said congrats to Justine. She won fair and square. I have nothing against Justine at all.

Serena is still the greatest player of her generation. YOU get over that. ;)

Zauber
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:54 AM
what do you think of a loser like this?

Shane54
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:57 AM
Good Post Morphology! And for having the guts to say it!
Serena could get in the boxing ring with Tatyana Ali and get beat, and would still insist it wasn't Tatyana, but Serena beating herself LOL:lol: :lol:

Reuchlin
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:57 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

Sam L
Jul 5th, 2007, 02:58 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

This sounds like an LDVTennis post. :haha:

Serena can be a drama queen (as evidenced in the Hantuchova match) but that's far from the stupid accusations you've made in your post.

spencercarlos
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:00 AM
I didn't say it would. I already said congrats to Justine. She won fair and square. I have nothing against Justine at all.

Serena is still the greatest player of her generation. YOU get over that. ;)
I am not asking you to congratulate Justine for her win.

Just because i don´t like the "excuses" game from Serena, does not make me a troll. I respect her as a player and her achievements.

Still Serena is the best but NOT by FAR, we´ll see where she finishes, and of course to the expense of what Henin can achieve until finishing her carreer.

Anyway keep repeating the (comedy of) excuses, they probably can make a miracle for you..

:wavey:

Morphology
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:01 AM
It may seem she is classless as you say because most matches she plays do rely on her more so than the other players. Nobody really can outplay serena but herself.

You see, I don't buy that. I know that's what Serena invariably says, but I see little evidence that it's true. Much of the time a player performs "below par" because they are being OUTPLAYED by their opponent. It's all cause and effect.

but when she does get beaten she says that the opponent played well if they did.

What she said was that Henin was playing one of her best games while she was playing at 40%. That's blatantly disrespectful.

Do you think if Roger FEderer lost to someone through by playing badly he would talk about how good the opponent played over how much he played bad?

I think he would do both, as most athletes do. He would draw attention to the areas of his game that were suffering while simultaneously giving credit to his opponent.

and about the james blake comment the reason why you don't have the problem with him because he just isn't at the top of tennis at the moment and does not have the confidence and self belief of a champion as serena, so the comments he makes refelect that.

Again I disagree. I don't see people attacking Tim Duncan's sportsmanship, or Magic Johnson's, or Tiger Woods', or [insert other great athlete here]

Today it was clear she was injured

Unfortunately the injury excuse is never cut and dried when it comes to Serena. Why? Because she's used the "injury" crutch countless times in the past when being outperformed, and frankly some of these "injuries" seemed like play acting. I'm not saying she wasn't injured during the Henin matchup, but that in no way excuses her off court behavior.

Stamp Paid
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:01 AM
Good Post Morphology! And for having the guts to say it!
Serena could get in the boxing ring with Tatyana Ali and get beat, and would still insist it wasn't Tatyana, but Serena beating herself LOL:lol: :lol:

Shit, if she let Tatyana Ali beat her in the ring then :help:

*backs out of this twilight zone of dumbfuckery*

treufreund
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:02 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

wow incredible post!!!:worship: :worship: :worship:

darrinbaker00
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:04 AM
Good Post Morphology! And for having the guts to say it!
Serena could get in the boxing ring with Tatyana Ali and get beat, and would still insist it wasn't Tatyana, but Serena beating herself LOL:lol: :lol:
Tatyana Ali played Ashley on "Fresh Prince of Bel-Air;" I'm pretty sure Serena could take her. LAILA Ali, on the other hand..... ;)

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:05 AM
I am not asking you to congratulate Justine for her win.

Just because i don´t like the "excuses" game from Serena, does not make me a troll. I respect her as a player and her achievements.

Still Serena is the best but NOT by FAR, we´ll see where she finishes, and of course to the expense of what Henin can achieve until finishing her carreer.

Anyway keep repeating the (comedy of) excuses, they probably can make a miracle for you..

:wavey:

By far. I'll say it. Serena at her best is better than anyone else at their best but Justine is still great nonetheless. And excuses, excuses. Whatever. I still maintain that Serena was not 100% healthy in this match and it's obvious with her 45 (:eek:) backhand slices, one handed top spin backhand she tried (:rolleyes:) and not driving the ball from her backhand on JH's weak second serves. Serena was hampered. We know it. The commentators know it. You know it. Live with it. Congrats to JH nonetheless though. :)

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:05 AM
Shit, if she let Tatyana Ali beat her in the ring then :help:

*backs out of this twilight zone of dumbfuckery*

:lol:

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:06 AM
wow incredible post!!!:worship: :worship: :worship:


I can't BELIEVE the audacity of Justine fans to actually have the audacity to question another players sportsmanship, gamesmanship or conduct in the sport. :lol:

SharapovaFan16
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:06 AM
great post, end of story... it's all true. the great fighter is an excuse maker!!!

spencercarlos
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:08 AM
By far. I'll say it. Serena at her best is better than anyone else at their best but Justine is still great nonetheless. And excuses, excuses. Whatever. I still maintain that Serena was not 100% healthy in this match and it's obvious with her 45 (:eek:) backhand slices, one handed top spin backhand she tried (:rolleyes:) and not driving the ball from her backhand on JH's weak second serves. Serena was hampered. We know it. The commentators know it. You know it. Live with it. Congrats to JH nonetheless though. :)
I have to agree in something.
Serena is not even half the player she was in 2003 phisically, and probably game wise she was hitting the ball with more authority then..
Still we are in 2007 and things change.

Anyway the best of player X against the best of player Y is just simply a never ending discussion that will only lead us to nowhere.
Better live in the present and deal with it.

StarDuvallGrant
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:09 AM
I can't BELIEVE the audacity of Justine fans to actually have the audacity to question another players sportsmanship, gamesmanship or conduct in the sport. :lol:

You really can't be surprised :lol: Serena, her words and views clearly are important in many a fan's life.

shotgun
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:10 AM
Yeah I don't buy the "strong personality" stuff either.

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:10 AM
I have to agree in something.
Serena is not even half the player she was in 2003 phisically, and probably game wise she was hitting the ball with more authority then..
Still we are in 2007 and things change.

Anyway the best of player X against the best of player Y is just simply a never ending discussion that will only lead us to nowhere.
Better live in the present and deal with it.


Um, Serena not being the same player she was in 2003 had nothing to do with her loss today. If the Serena of 2003 had a hampered backhand she would have still lost the match with the way JH played.

vettipooh
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:26 AM
I have to agree in something.
Serena is not even half the player she was in 2003 phisically, and probably game wise she was hitting the ball with more authority then..
Still we are in 2007 and things change.

Anyway the best of player X against the best of player Y is just simply a never ending discussion that will only lead us to nowhere.
Better live in the present and deal with it.

Sabatini is in the past. A one slam wonder. Deal with that!!!:rolleyes: Troll!!!

spencercarlos
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:33 AM
Um, Serena not being the same player she was in 2003 had nothing to do with her loss today. If the Serena of 2003 had a hampered backhand she would have still lost the match with the way JH played.
I am just saying that she is not at her best level 2002-2003 phisically fit and strong, that made her game stronger as well.

I am not looking for excuses for her losing effort today, i think she had the gut to play today and made it competitive, still she lost.

The excuses won´t make it back. Period.

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:39 AM
I am just saying that she is not at her best level 2002-2003 phisically fit and strong, that made her game stronger as well.

I am not looking for excuses for her losing effort today, i think she had the gut to play today and made it competitive, still she lost.

The excuses won´t make it back. Period.


I didn't say excuse would 'make it back.' It was obvious Serena was injured yet she still chose to play. JH had this same choice in AO 06 yet backed out yet Serena still chose to play but I admit that the result stands since she gutted the match by playing. But no matter what, ONE backhand winner is telling so the exuses explaining that Serena wasn't injured 'won't make it back' as you put it. Period.

drake3781
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:46 AM
I really don't know what went on at Wimbledon because I didn't see any of it or read the interviews.

I am, however, annoyed at Serena for quite a few things:

- her long string of withdrawals over the past two years, including what she did to Bangalore this year, and her charade retirement at Charleston.
- how she makes a big deal about how much she loves Cincinnati, when we all know they are paying her a lot to appear and say those things, and I find it quite disingenuous. I know a lot of players do this at different events, but this one knocks me upside the head frequently because it's my home tournament.
- the way she talks up her self and her activities, but scratch the surface and it's embarassing (Aneres, acting, poetry, and next: singing or is it rap?).
- and what everyone knows, how she has always "beated herself" and hasn't seemed to find over all these years a graceful way to answer after-match interviews.


All that being said, I really love to watch her play....... I bought an expensive ticket for her Charleston match, for example... I only wish it could be without so many distractions.

Reuchlin
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:50 AM
I really don't know what went on at Wimbledon because I didn't see any of it or read the interviews.

I am, however, annoyed at Serena for quite a few things:

- her long string of withdrawals over the past two years, including what she did to Bangalore this year, and her charade retirement at Charleston.
- how she makes a big deal about how much she loves Cincinnati, when we all know they are paying her a lot to appear and say those things, and I find it quite disingenuous. I know a lot of players do this at different events, but this one knocks me upside the head frequently because it's my home tournament.
- the way she talks up her self and her activities, but scratch the surface and it's embarassing (Aneres, acting, poetry, and next: singing or is it rap?).
- and what everyone knows, how she has always "beated herself" and hasn't seemed to find over all these years a graceful way to answer after-match interviews.


All that being said, I really love to watch her play....... I bought an expensive ticket for her Charleston match, for example... I only wish it could be without so many distractions.


:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

MIA momo fan
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:51 AM
Sounds like envy to me ....

The Kaz
Jul 5th, 2007, 03:54 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

Hit the nail on the head. Thank you :worship: :worship: :worship:

And to the Reetards out there - SHE LOST GET OVER IT! :ras:

Apoleb
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:04 AM
Serena probably deserves some criticism because of her attitude after losing matches, but this post is way over exaggerated and is practically bs. She didn't act against Hantuchova. It was obvious she was in deep pain. Why would she act a cramp when the momentum was going with her since she came back at 5-5? :rolleyes: After the cramp, it was obvious that she couldn't move well, couldn't get up on the serve, and couldn't move her legs to return. So no, she wasn't acting.

As for her comments, I do find them irritating, but honestly the only reason she says them is that because she feels threatened by Justine. Serena believes she's the best player in the world, and in such, she'll never admit to losing to her biggest rival fair and square. There always has to be an excuse. But anyway, since lately she's been rarely playing at 100%, I suggest changing her scoring system. :tape:

plantman
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:06 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

I like your style... Nicely said!:)

mykarma
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:07 AM
Could you be just a little more racist, please?
Don't say that Darrin, there's a Crissy and Serena fan on this board that's never seen anything racist said against Serena.:tape:

#1SteffiGraf#1
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:09 AM
I agree with some of the things you say, but well never know how hurt she is.

Its unfair to speculate imo.

Richard can be an eyesore, and the networks always show his antics way too much. He seems to really care for his kids though, so that overshadows his cookeyness a bit in my book. I just wish Oracene would slap him upside his head one of these days and tell him to cool it :)

Look, Serena is a drama queen like alot of these girls, and its frustrating that she often seems to make excuses. But hey, it makes good television right? I mean ESPN must have shown the "Serena-fall" match about a dozen times the past few days. I swear to god they showed it 4 times on the day it happaned. :)

mykarma
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:10 AM
Good Post Morphology! And for having the guts to say it!
Serena could get in the boxing ring with Tatyana Ali and get beat, and would still insist it wasn't Tatyana, but Serena beating herself LOL:lol: :lol:
One things for sure, she doesn't have to worry about that is tennis because "whens she's her best, no one can beat her".:worship:

Andrew Laeddis
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:12 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.


why would she fake an injury when she was up a set and on serve in the second. im pretty sure serena didnt feel like she needed to fake an injury to beat the likes of hantuchova. and only a blind person couldnt see that huge budge on the bac of her calf.

mykarma
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:13 AM
:worship: :worship: :worship:

I see you're still around after being the laughing stock of the WTAworld. :lol::lol::lol: The good thing about having you around is that all fan bases think you're a joke. :help:

mykarma
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:18 AM
You see, I don't buy that. I know that's what Serena invariably says, but I see little evidence that it's true. Much of the time a player performs "below par" because they are being OUTPLAYED by their opponent. It's all cause and effect.



What she said was that Henin was playing one of her best games while she was playing at 40%. That's blatantly disrespectful.



I think he would do both, as most athletes do. He would draw attention to the areas of his game that were suffering while simultaneously giving credit to his opponent.



Again I disagree. I don't see people attacking Tim Duncan's sportsmanship, or Magic Johnson's, or Tiger Woods', or [insert other great athlete here]



Unfortunately the injury excuse is never cut and dried when it comes to Serena. Why? Because she's used the "injury" crutch countless times in the past when being outperformed, and frankly some of these "injuries" seemed like play acting. I'm not saying she wasn't injured during the Henin matchup, but that in no way excuses her off court behavior.
What's your fvcking excuse for being an idiot? :weirdo:

starr
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:22 AM
Here's someone who agrees

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/07/05/sthend105.xml

mykarma
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:24 AM
I can't BELIEVE the audacity of Justine fans to actually have the audacity to question another players sportsmanship, gamesmanship or conduct in the sport. :lol:
:lol::lol::lol:
When Serena beat Justine in Miami you didn't see nearly all of the negative, racist, ignorant post that you're see since Justine beat Serena. As a matter of fact, most of the Serena fans were talking about how great Justine played.

I feel a little sad for some of the Justine fans that generally show some class. I do know that some of these idiots spewing this garbage aren't even Justine fans. They'll jump on any bandwagon just to show their hate. What's even more amazing is the one's that are talking about Serena being classless, wouldn't know class if it smacked them in the damn faces.

treufreund
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:27 AM
I can't BELIEVE the audacity of Justine fans to actually have the audacity to question another players sportsmanship, gamesmanship or conduct in the sport. :lol:

Oh please Justine made a few mistakes and learned from them. Serena has never learned to give credit or play fairly.

mykarma
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:28 AM
I didn't say excuse would 'make it back.' It was obvious Serena was injured yet she still chose to play. JH had this same choice in AO 06 yet backed out yet Serena still chose to play but I admit that the result stands since she gutted the match by playing. But no matter what, ONE backhand winner is telling so the exuses explaining that Serena wasn't injured 'won't make it back' as you put it. Period.
Not like when Justine had a tummy ache and quit on Mauresmo's celebrations. The nerve of some fans.

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:35 AM
Not like when Justine had a tummy ache and quit on Mauresmo's celebrations. The nerve of some fans.


:lol:

Stamp Paid
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:38 AM
Not like when Justine had a tummy ache and quit on Mauresmo's celebrations. The nerve of some fans.Dont forget the Fed Cup Final...
I'll never forget the look on Kim's face when she saw Justine was throwing in the towel.

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:40 AM
Dont forget the Fed Cup Final...


Oh yeah. I forgot all about that. :eek: She was selfish. It wasn't even about her but more about her team and she still let them down. :eek:

bandabou
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:46 AM
Such a shame that Serena's to get so much flack..so all those screams of agony when she was laying on the ground were fake? She just suddenly stopped moving just for the drama?

And about the 40 % comment...what's she supposed to say: I played at my best today and got outplayed, when she couldn't hit a backhand and couldn't track down balls that she usually gets too? Hmmmm..

dwynn10
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:52 AM
Woah.
That's a lot of anger in one post.
However, I'm going to stick my neck out here...

I am a huge fan of Serena, her achievements and her game. But I believe her behaviour in the Hantuchova match smacks of gamesmanship and her comments after the QF against Henin were pointlessly graceless.
We all know you're one of the best, Serena. However we also know that even the best lose from time to time. If the rest of the world can deal with the fact that sometimes you will be outplayed then perhaps it's time you come to terms with it and realise some of your peers are pretty fucking special too.

You sound like a rational person :). Last year, I was definitely warming up to the Williamses as they seemed to have mellowed out and minimized the trash-talking. Those warm and fuzzy feelings have disappeared, however, as the constant streams of injury excuses and silly hot air regarding their own supposed invincibility and their opponents' second-class status, particularly by Serena, have reached a crescendo this year. Can't they just accept that they're no longer the players they used to be and that some of the other players can hit a ball or two as well as they? I knew Serena would fall back on some magical injury excuse (she ran around pretty well out there) for an eventual exit when she started complaining about her hamstring early in the tournament. Unfortunately, she proved me right.

Memo to Serena: Just shut up and play. The way to prove your critics wrong is to show up on the court properly trained and conditioned, and do your best. The way to prove that you're a classy, respectful athlete is to credit your opponents for their performance, and not use injury excuses (how many athletes are playing pain-free?) and empty hyperbole as a crutch for your loss. Seems pretty simple to me. Classless as I thought Henin was when she retired rather than let Mauresmo win out right at the Aussie Open last year, I haven't heard the kind of silly, disrespectful talk that Serena displayed in abundance in the last few months from her lately. The funny thing about trash-talking is that after a while people just tune you out and few people will take anything you say seriously anymore, like the boy who yelled "fire!" too many times.

And you can't really blame fans' sour attitude toward Serena on race alone. Sure, some bigoted people are still too ready and willing to let it cloud their judgment of an athlete, but by and large, the public will support or reject athletes on their own merits, nowadays. James Blake is widely loved and respected for the way he carries himself on and off the court. The Williams sisters and their father could stand to take a lesson from Blake on how to conduct themselves in the public arena.

Lachie
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:52 AM
Wow! What an amazing discussion; and a bit of a storm in a teacup in my opinion. I should say upfront that I am a fan of Serena's, and that I also feel I am an intelligent observer of the game and its trappings. This thread shows once again what enormous passions Serena Williams is capable of arousing, and she doesn't even have to do that much to get everyone in a lather. She's an unusual, almost unique feature of the women's game.

As for the loss against Henin, of course the better player won on the day. That's a "no-brainer", as the Americans like to say. But Serena and all of us are entitled to ask, "Why was Henin better on the day, when it mattered?" And I don't think it's egotistical or delusional or arrogant or whatever for Serena and us to say that her injuries must have played some part in causing her to lose. She fought back valiantly, as is her wont, but that wasn't enough. Henin showed why she's no. 1 in the world right now and held on when it counted.

It's also a no-brainer to say that Serena is not at the peak of her career right now. It's also fair to say that after all she's been through in the past few years - murder in the family, injury, other players challenging for the top - she is making a pretty good job of being a top player again. Winner Aus Open 2007, quarters French and Wimbledon and beaten by the number 1 in both cases: these results are not to be sneezed at.

And whatever you think of her on-court antics, it is unrealistic to think that her injuries this week are somehow faked or just for show.

(As an aside, while we're on the topic of on-court behaviour, it's hard to forget Justine Henin's dishonesty in the 2003 French Open semi-final, isn't it ... )

Well done Serena for getting to the quarters and giving the world number 1 a run for her money ... congratulations Justine Henin I believe you are going to be the next Wimbledon champion.

Peace, Lachie

edith
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:55 AM
I have to agree with the first post.

You take players like Lindsay, Kim and Monica. They always give their opponent due after they lose. they always admit they were outplayed. None of that, "If I was 10% better, I'd have won", "the sun was to bright", etc bull crap.

Then you take players like Serena, Venus and Kuznetsova, who never give their opponents credit. It's always their fault they lost, it certainly doesn't have anything to do with the fact they were outplayed on the day. :rolleyes:

shap_half
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:55 AM
Oh yeah. I forgot all about that. :eek: She was selfish. It wasn't even about her but more about her team and she still let them down. :eek:

She was the only one to win all her matches in that team. If it weren't for her play against Russia, they would never have made it that far. And let's not forget that because she even played that Fed Cup tie she couldn't play again that season until the YEC. Soo :eek: yourself into oblivion.

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 04:57 AM
She was the only one to win all her matches in that team. If it weren't for her play against Russia, they would never have made it that far. And let's not forget that because she even played that Fed Cup tie she couldn't play again that season until the YEC. Soo :eek: yourself into oblivion.


:lol: I was just being kinda facetious. It wasn't that big of a deal. You are actually a true Justine fan unlike these others who are simply just Serena haters. :rolleyes:

shap_half
Jul 5th, 2007, 05:05 AM
:lol: I was just being kinda facetious. It wasn't that big of a deal. You are actually a true Justine fan unlike these others who are simply just Serena haters. :rolleyes:

I told myself not to visit GM when Justine won, but it's hard because one knows that there is going to a deluge of BS as a result of such a win. But you got to take the bad with the good.

One of the toughest thing for me as a Justine fan is seeing her injured because when she got sick in 2004 I really didn't know what to expect. So when she has to retire from matches becaues of one reason or another, I've decided to accept it and defend it because I never want 2004 to happen again. I don't care if it's a GS final or a qualifying round. I'd rather deal with the fact that there'll be crap and criticism to swallow because she stopped playing than deal with the possiblity of seeing her never play tennis again.

Larrybidd
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:17 AM
............

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.



Where to start? I've been trying to figure out tennis fans for 25 years.

Serena didn't "play up" anything. She was asked a question and she answered it. That's what you are supposed to do in interviews, i understand. The hoopla over Serena's match, including the breathless speculation, and uninformed commentary started before the match was over and before Serena could say anything. The anger and jealousy of the attention Serena got for this is as mindless and the bad attitude people have for Masha because of the attention and money she gets for being attractive. These ladies are in the entertainment business and you get angry with them for being entertaining? Tell me what sense that makes?

I find it interesting that Tiger Woods can tell the newies after posting a score well below his opponents that, "I played like crap" and media and fans accept is as an legit self-assessment instead of crying that Tiger is "making excuses" or a bad guy for failing to "give credit" to his opponents. Why is that?

Let me explain this to you: It is NOT an insult to anybody when a player (were are taking about Serena) gives an assessment OF HER OWN GAME. How incredibly over-sensitive and pretentious must you be to infer something that is not remotely there? Where do you get off telling us what Serena should have said ABOUT HER OWN PERFORMANCE, so people like you wouldn't infer some insult to Henin that doesn't exist? Get over yourself.

I find it hilarious that tennis seems to be the only professional sport where for many its goofy fans, its not enough to show respect in the customary and genuine way by shaking hands after a match. To some of you it seems that if you don't send your opponent a dozen roses and a note of apology to the loser, you're the worst person in the world. How precious are you folks.

Martian Jeza
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:47 AM
I've to laugh with this post, really. Justine has no sportmanship either : she also often comes with excuses when she loses a match. Attacking SW is one thing but don't take ZooZoo as an example while she is not and NEVER will.

floco
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:47 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

I am behind you 100% and i wouldnt have said it better. She does not know humility at all

Rosslyn
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:48 AM
I find it interesting that Tiger Woods can tell the newies after posting a score well below his opponents that, "I played like crap" and media and fans accept is as an legit self-assessment instead of crying that Tiger is "making excuses" or a bad guy for failing to "give credit" to his opponents. Why is that?


because in tennis your game is affected by the quality of your opponent's game. in golf, you are on your own

Rosslyn
Jul 5th, 2007, 06:50 AM
I've to laugh with this post, really. Justine has no sportmanship either : she also often comes with excuses when she loses a match. Attacking SW is one thing but don't take ZooZoo as an example while she is not and NEVER will.

Glance ?

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:01 AM
Cant help but agree with the first post.
Well Said!

Slutiana
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:08 AM
What are you talking about troll? Serena fans have predicted Justine to win this QF encounter since Serena's cramp woes and the poll will tell you that. Stop trolling around obsessing over Serena. Concentrate on your own faves. :lol: Or better yet, you use to have some sick fixation on Venus all the time. You haven't spoke about her lately? I wonder why?

:lol::help::tape:

Tatyana Ali played Ashley on "Fresh Prince of Bel-Air;" I'm pretty sure Serena could take her. LAILA Ali, on the other hand..... ;)

:haha: i was just wondering WTF a singer/actress has to do with boxing/serena and whyTF she'd box serena in the ring lol

I can't BELIEVE the audacity of Justine fans to actually have the audacity to question another players sportsmanship, gamesmanship or conduct in the sport. :lol:

:worship::help:

:lol::lol::lol:
When Serena beat Justine in Miami you didn't see nearly all of the negative, racist, ignorant post that you're see since Justine beat Serena. As a matter of fact, most of the Serena fans were talking about how great Justine played.

I feel a little sad for some of the Justine fans that generally show some class. I do know that some of these idiots spewing this garbage aren't even Justine fans. They'll jump on any bandwagon just to show their hate. What's even more amazing is the one's that are talking about Serena being classless, wouldn't know class if it smacked them in the damn faces.

:worship: :D

Oh please Justine made a few mistakes and learned from them. Serena has never learned to give credit or play fairly.

:rolleyes: :tape: complete bollox...and justine made more than a few mistakes:help: whenever people talk about her when she retires, no doubt they'll end up talking about the hand and then the AO Final

Dont forget the Fed Cup Final...
I'll never forget the look on Kim's face when she saw Justine was throwing in the towel.

i know....:sad:

Not like when Justine had a tummy ache and quit on Mauresmo's celebrations. The nerve of some fans.

:lol::worship:

PamShriverRockz
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:11 AM
What a silly thread.

The truth is ALL the players use gamesmanship. Your favourite, someone else's favourite - FACT.

Serena classless? Ridiculous. She didn't say Justine played awful. She didn't call Justine a bitch. She answered questions about her game. She didn't murder babies, anyone would think she had the way people act in this forum.

Serena arrogant? ALL TOP SPORTSMEN AND WOMEN ARE. You have to be. You have to be like that to be at the top, otherwise you get eaten alive. Did anyone see the Martina Navratilova documentary on the BBC during the rain delay on Monday? Martina sounded arrogant, she said she believed she was the best player in the world. Of course she had to believe that!

it's not like Serena didn't at all acknowledge correctly that Justine played great. I would admit as a Serena fan I sometimes get a little frustrated that she doesn't acknowledge her opponent more when she loses. But she's not the only player to do so. Daniela said after their match that she lost it rather than Serena won it.

When Serena is 100% fit, she is a stunning tennis player and extremely difficult to beat. She knows it.

You could argue about whether a fully fit Serena would have beaten Justine yesterday until the cows come home. It's irrelevant now. History. Well done Justine.

fioredeliberi
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:32 AM
Yes, agree totally with the thread starter, Serena really shows poor sportsmanship and is a bad example for young sportspeople the world over. In fact, her sister venus is totally unlike her, venus seems like a decent person, but Serena is the african-american version of MacEnroe, the "superbrat".

We are tired of her disrespectful remarks, gamesmanship, poor acting on court and think that she represents the worse that sports can offer.

Just_lindsay
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:33 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

Word x 1,000.

Petersmiler
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:42 AM
I think the initial post goes a litle over the top. Serena obviously wasn't at her best, she was definitely hampered by something.

However, I did find her interview a little annoying because of what she implied by saying Justine was playing her best game. However, it's not really a big deal and isn't everyone used to her by now?

As for tsome of the opposing posts, they didn't come as any suprise. The usual let's turn it around on Justine, or the same blathering on about if Serena was at her best she can beat anyone. Shame she is so rarely at her best then, or maybe it isn't!

Jeff
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:44 AM
What is a "laugh-fest" is that you actually took the time to write such a drawn out, long explination. I never understand why people take the time to analyze and think about something to write (and write so many words) about somebody they don't like.

young_gunner913
Jul 5th, 2007, 07:57 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

first of all, i think people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. if you're to say someone else is completely classless, look at your diction in this article and please tell me how you have class?

Mightymirza
Jul 5th, 2007, 08:28 AM
agreed that Serena is quite classless in her most post match interviews! Anyways it really doesnt matter much what a player says though..Its just the way she is! At the end of the day what happens on court is what really matters!! Hopefully these two will give some memorable matches in future as well!

shibi
Jul 5th, 2007, 08:28 AM
I find it interesting that Tiger Woods can tell the newies after posting a score well below his opponents that, "I played like crap" and media and fans accept is as an legit self-assessment instead of crying that Tiger is "making excuses" or a bad guy for failing to "give credit" to his opponents. Why is that?



It was fine if Serena had said that she played like crap. It's only natural, since someday you are at your best and other days you aren't. But to claim that the reason for loosing is because she was playing at 40% level (because of her injury) is plain insult to the winning player. It implied that if she were playing better (say at 50%), she would have won hands down. If the statement is not demeaning, I don't know what it is.

majuu
Jul 5th, 2007, 08:33 AM
Seriously why can't some (not all of them) Serena fans just show some class and reply with some rational and logical argueuments. The original poster isnt insulting Serena personally in any way and IMHO some of those things he said are just true.

Some of you are just replying with shit like "well serena is still the best in the world 100% so get over it." THIS MAY BE THE CASE and i agree that when 100% she is the undoubted best player in the world. But what is also true is that today (and in the past) she has shown a complete lack of class and gracefullness in losing to which some could even consider as being DISRESPECTFUL to her tennis peers.

Larrybidd
Jul 5th, 2007, 08:48 AM
I think the initial post goes a litle over the top. Serena obviously wasn't at her best, she was definitely hampered by something.

However, I did find her interview a little annoying because of what she implied by saying Justine was playing her best game. However, it's not really a big deal and isn't everyone used to her by now?

As for tsome of the opposing posts, they didn't come as any suprise. The usual let's turn it around on Justine, or the same blathering on about if Serena was at her best she can beat anyone. Shame she is so rarely at her best then, or maybe it isn't!

Its fine if you find Serena's style annoying. I look at it this way: I and most of the other people in our office make a habit of of saying "Good morning guys" to the group as we walk in in the morning. There is one person who doesn't do this. Are we to assume this is a bad or rude person because they don't enter a room the same way we would do it? Only an idiot would think so. In fact, the quiet guy is one of the niceiest people I know. He handles his morning greetings differently than the rest of us (ie. individually).

Look, its a fact that neither Serena nor her sister goes out of there way to praise opponents. They have been very consistent, since the beginning. They don't like talking about opponents at all, period. While that means they don't criticize opponents, the flipside is they don't do much praising of opponents either. They are always asked about the opponents in one way or another and they consistently turn the conversation back to themselves. They would say it doesn't matter what my opponent does, or who my opponent is. If I do what I'm supposed to do I expect to win. Its seems to me that that is a good policy, they believe in it and it clearly works for them. Somebody explain what the crime is here?

The fact that other people would do interviews differently is interesting, but it doesn't make the way Serena does it "wrong", or "classless" or any of the other unfair and over-the-top characterizations.

cypher_88
Jul 5th, 2007, 08:52 AM
I didn't say it would. I already said congrats to Justine. She won fair and square. I have nothing against Justine at all.

Serena is still the greatest player of her generation. YOU get over that. ;)

not for long :devil:

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 5th, 2007, 08:58 AM
One of the few FIRST posts made by someone (who could be called a troll by many not me though) that makes a lot of sense, and explains things without insulting a player or posting ridiculous stuff.

As i said yesterday Serena better beat Henin otherwise this would become a "comedy of excuses", and Serena losing just proved that to be.

Anyway things could be said here and there, in the end of the day Serena is out of the tournament and Henin is still in contention, and that´s what it matters the most. Excuses won´t win a title or get her the match back.

:wavey:

So what's your lame excuse for Venus' win. Couldn't beat up on Venus today so you went after Serena. Pathetic.

Petersmiler
Jul 5th, 2007, 08:58 AM
Its fine if you find Serena's style annoying. I look at it this way: I and most of the other people in our office make a habit of of saying "Good morning guys" to the group as we walk in in the morning. There is one person who doesn't do this. Are we to assume this is a bad or rude person because they don't enter a room the same way we would do it? Only an idiot would think so. In fact, the quiet guy is one of the niceiest people I know. He handles his morning greetings differently than the rest of us (ie. individually).

Look, its a fact that neither Serena nor her sister goes out of there way to praise opponents. They have been very consistent, since the beginning. They don't like talking about opponents at all, period. While that means they don't criticize opponents, the flipside is they don't do much praising of opponents either. They are always asked about the opponents in one way or another and they consistently turn the conversation back to themselves. They would say it doesn't matter what my opponent does, or who my opponent is. If I do what I'm supposed to do I expect to win. Its seems to me that that is a good policy, they believe in it and it clearly works for them. Somebody explain what the crime is here?

The fact that other people would do interviews differently is interesting, but it doesn't make the way Serena does it "wrong", or "classless" or any of the other unfair and over-the-top characterizations.


Hi!

I'm guessing you were talking about other posters as I didn't say it was classless or wrong, I just said it annoyed me a little.

And you're right, it seems to be a winning formula for her and she has the right to continue.

And if I'm totally honest, I wouldn't have it any other way. I may find it annoying occasionally, but generally I find it quite amusing.

Serena-rules-no1
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:05 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

great post

but your wisdom is kinda lost is this tards forum

nhissan
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:08 AM
OP you are a coward.

Mileen
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:09 AM
She grew up in Compton. What were you expecting?

That has nothing to do with it. Serena has class, both Serena and Venus do. I bet they have more class than you do. What the thread starter means is unsportmanship.

jujufreak
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:21 AM
The only reason I had to add “one of the” is because of sports like boxing, though even ear-biter Mike Tyson had enough class to give his opponents credit when he lost. If I had to compare the sportsmanship of Ron Artest vs. Serena Williams, it would be Artest in a landslide.

Whenever Serena seems in danger of losing she starts hamming it up. All of a sudden a multiplicity of “injuries” begin afflicting her frail body. She limps around one second then sprints in perfect form the next. She had a stomach ache. She wasn’t up to par. All her opponent had to do was show up. She was only playing at 40% .

Her performance against Hantuchova was a laugh-fest. The gushing about her triumphant comeback while under pain of “injury” had me in stitches. The only thing worse than her acting skills was the incessant rain. Hantuchova deserved to lose for getting intimidated by Serena’s ridiculous shenanigans; I’m glad Henin didn’t fall for it. Stitch had the guts to call it like it was. The rest of the media are all peering through red, white and blue-colored glasses.

Searching for a jewel in the rough amongst the three hundred or so news articles praising Serena’s miraculous comeback against Hantuchova I finally stumbled upon a journalist with above-room temperature IQ:

“There was something terribly unnatural about the whole process: the stop-starts; the sobs; the squeals; the magnificent urges; the toilet breaks Williams initially demanded and then forgot to take; her inability to walk, let alone run, and then her sudden ability to sprint.”

Indeed.

It’s no surprise that Serena behaves this way. Her father’s performance in the stands was one of the most disgraceful spectacles I’ve ever seen in all of professional sports. Constantly standing up and blocking the view of people behind him, pointing at the sky in order to encourage Serena to kill time and hope for rain, cheering hysterically whenever Hantuchova would make an error.

It is not possible to beat Serena Williams. Why? Because she’s either (ahem) injured or “not playing at 100%”. She only beats herself. No one is even capable of beating her.

Newsflash Serena: unless you’re the incredible bionic woman you will not be able to play at 100% every match. Your opponents rarely, if ever, play at 100%. I have a theory: Vince Carter would be the greatest player in basketball if he played at 100% every game. Well, he doesn’t, so he isn’t. End of story.

The key to a great athlete vs. a flash in the pan is consistency. Even if some of Serena’s injuries are legitimate, that’s what happens when you’re out of shape. Other players work their asses off to stay in pristine condition and reduce the risk of injury.

Serena saying she “would have won” if she were playing at “100 percent” is the epitome of arrogance and poor sportsmanship. My personal opinion: Henin would have no problem beating her on any surface if she too played at the top of her potential. What she lacks in brute strength she more than makes up for in skill.

You know what else makes a great athlete? Character. When Federer lost to Saffin a ways back he said Saffin “was the better man”. He didn’t make excuses. He didn’t claim he had a tummy ache. He didn’t say he was playing at 50%. He gave his opponent the credit he deserved. That’s class.

If Serena had a modicum of character she would have said something similar after losing to Henin. If she wanted to play up her injury she could have said, “I wasn’t playing at my best due to injury, but there’s no guarantee I would have won even at my best. She was the better player today, and I congratulate her on her win”.

Finally, to those of you harping about “racism”, you are totally out of line. You don’t see scores of tennis fans complaining about James Blake, do you? This is not about skin color, this about sportsmanship. Serena has none, and I for one am thrilled that she has been sent packing.

great article, I don't expect it'll change Serena's attitude after losing a match though...

G1Player2
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:23 AM
Where are the mods at? Can we please lock this trolling thread up. :rolleyes:

Larrybidd
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:24 AM
It was fine if Serena had said that she played like crap. It's only natural, since someday you are at your best and other days you aren't. But to claim that the reason for loosing is because she was playing at 40% level (because of her injury) is plain insult to the winning player. It implied that if she were playing better (say at 50%), she would have won hands down. If the statement is not demeaning, I don't know what it is.

She didn't imply any such thing. You took that to be the implication. You are hearing something completely different than what she actually said. For instance, she never said she only lost because she was playing at only 40%, and if not for that she would have wiped the Henin. She was asked what percent of peak condition she was in and she said 40% because couldn't hit her backhand. She didn't say anything about what would have happened if she was at 80 to 100%. That is the stuff you and others added to what she actually said in your minds. I submit that is grossly unfair.

I assume Serena believes that if she was 100% that she would have won. That is not a suprise, not a crime, nor should it be taken as an insult to Henin. I assume Henin feels the same way about her own game.

What you said is incorrect about how it would have been alright if Serena had just said, "I played like crap". It might have been alright with you, but someone would (and the prior posts prove) infer from that one simple comment that, "Serena's saying that if she didn't play like crap, she would have killed Henin. What a bitch." You see, implication is a funny thing. You can take whatever implication you wish. I think the author of this thread has taken this crazy implication thing over-the-top, and most mindlessly, use those faulty implications to throw slurs at Serena. Not implied slurs either, real ones.

Larrybidd
Jul 5th, 2007, 09:26 AM
Hi!

I'm guessing you were talking about other posters as I didn't say it was classless or wrong, I just said it annoyed me a little.

And you're right, it seems to be a winning formula for her and she has the right to continue.

And if I'm totally honest, I wouldn't have it any other way. I may find it annoying occasionally, but generally I find it quite amusing.

That would be the most rational way for a fan to look at it. LOL. But I guess by definition, fans aren't rational.