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TSequoia01
Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:52 PM
On her serve she makes Justine pay for standing so far behind the baseline, by coming in behind it. Justine buys time on big servers by standing 6-8 feet behind the baseline but this strategy cuts down the angles of her returns.

rhz
Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:58 PM
Because Amelie has a similar game as hers, where it is really rare, and Amelie can force Justine to make errors on her backhand side, because Amelie tends to loop the ball to Justine's BH

DragonFlame
Jun 23rd, 2007, 12:58 PM
horrible match:o No wimbledonwinning form in this match from both players. Especially justine, all those faults and mishits, Serve not working. Just UGH..

Ceze
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:06 PM
^^ are you kidding? The match is quite good, especially with these windy conditions!

TSequoia01
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:10 PM
^^ are you kidding? The match is quite good, especially with this windy conditions!


This observation is just not about this match. Justine counters big servers by standing 6 ft back of the baseline. Few woman come in behind their serve to make her pay. Mauresmo does. Will she win this match, I don't know but her tactic of coming in behind her serve gives her a wonderful chance.

Ceze
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:12 PM
This observation is just not about this match. Justine counters big servers by standing 6 ft back of the baseline. Few woman come in behind their serve to make her pay. Mauresmo does. Will she win this match, I don't know but her tactic of coming in behind her serve gives her a wonderful chance.I was answering DragonFlame's post ;)

gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:15 PM
horrible match:o No wimbledonwinning form in this match from both players. Especially justine, all those faults and mishits, Serve not working. Just UGH..

Are we watching the same match?

Billabong
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:18 PM
horrible match:o No wimbledonwinning form in this match from both players. Especially justine, all those faults and mishits, Serve not working. Just UGH..

yeah right, now tell me honestly who can beat them at Wimbledon apart from the Williams sisters?? With their actual form, they would still beat anyone else in the draw..

jochem
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:22 PM
Damn Justine is once again letting Mauresmo get back in the match... I mean she was up 7-5 4-2 and now trailing 2-4 in final set... I know Mauresmo is playing very well forcing Justine to make errors nut still this is not good for her confidence once again letting Mauresmo back after winning the first set.

RenaSlam.
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:24 PM
Allez Ame.

Mauresmo has the game to defeat Justine because...

...she is a better grass court player.

Zweli
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:31 PM
Come on Amelie

trufanjay
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:41 PM
Mauresmo is just a little bit better on grass with better tactics. They both play the same style but on grass Amelie's weapons tend to work more effectively.

lecciones
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:43 PM
OMG is it tied now. How interesting.

TSequoia01
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:44 PM
Mauresmo is just a little bit better on grass with better tactics. They both play the same style but on grass Amelie's weapons tend to work more effectively.

I don't know, but one thing is clear, serve and volley works well against Justine when she is so far behind the baseline. If she comes up, then bomb away it will rush her groundstrokes which take a bit of time to execute.

Donny
Jun 23rd, 2007, 01:49 PM
I don't know, but one thing is clear, serve and volley works well against Justine when she is so far behind the baseline. If she comes up, then bomb away it will rush her groundstrokes which take a bit of time to execute.

Exactly. This is why Justine has never won Wimbledon. The amazing (for a woman at least) spin and power she gets on her groundstrokes comes at the price of significant takeback on both her FH and BH. She simply can't set up shots on grass the way a Sharapova or Serena, with compact groundstrkes, can.

hablo
Jun 23rd, 2007, 02:06 PM
Oh well, Momo lost anyway.

I wish I could have seen the match though. :mad:

TSequoia01
Jun 23rd, 2007, 11:03 PM
Oh well, Momo lost anyway.

I wish I could have seen the match though. :mad:


Momo may have lost but until serving 5-3 for the match she really played well. Coming in behind her lst serve to put away well placed volleys was giving Justine fits. Again standing so far behind the baseline gives her poor angles to pass. Momo helped a lot of players who watched today's match who had no strategy for Justine .

hablo
Jun 23rd, 2007, 11:08 PM
Momo may have lost but until serving 5-3 for the match she really played well. Coming in behind her lst serve to put away well placed volleys was giving Justine fits. Again standing so far behind the baseline gives her poor angles to pass. Momo helped a lot of players who watched today's match who had no strategy for Justine .

Thanks for the description of the match.
Sometimes I wonder if other players (not at the same tournament) bother to watch matchs on tv. :devil:

Bruno71
Jun 23rd, 2007, 11:12 PM
Amelie & Justine both played well in spurts. There really wasn't a huge difference between them other than that Justine had the final spurt. Plenty of great rallies and winners, plenty of great serves, but also plenty of UFE's and terrible serves (I'm sure the wind was the hugest factor). A rematch in the Wimby final would be pretty intense.

supergrunt
Jun 23rd, 2007, 11:14 PM
I do like to watch Amelie. :(

rottweily
Jun 23rd, 2007, 11:42 PM
I saw a lot of clean return winners, even on very good serves of Amelie, this will only get better with less wind.

shibster
Jun 23rd, 2007, 11:47 PM
justine just suck cos momo beat herself today again....i'm sure that momo will not do that in wimby, it just doens't happen cos wimby is a GS and eastbourne is just a useless tune up that she doens't need to win.

and justine is staying so far off the baseline it's just laughable. nobody punishes her for doing that, and i'm sure many players with big serves will now take note, and have the game to serve and volley as well, since they move so well on the grass courts.

Bruno71
Jun 23rd, 2007, 11:53 PM
justine just suck cos momo beat herself today again....i'm sure that momo will not do that in wimby, it just doens't happen cos wimby is a GS and eastbourne is just a useless tune up that she doens't need to win.

:haha: :haha: :lol: :haha:

hablo
Jun 23rd, 2007, 11:56 PM
Momo won more pts on second serve than Justine, strangely enough. (That's usually the Belgian's specialty. :tape: )

Momo's first serve went on vacation for most of the match. :o:help:

franklinbouvier
Jun 24th, 2007, 12:00 AM
Justine beat her.
It was a great match but Justine won.
She won because she was better today.
End of.

Bruno71
Jun 24th, 2007, 12:02 AM
Momo won more pts on second serve than Justine, strangely enough. (That's usually the Belgian's specialty. :tape: )

Momo's first serve went on vacation for most of the match. :o:help:

Justine was horrendous returning Momo's second serves for much of the match, for some reason. I honestly wonder if the wind just carries the slower-paced ball in confusing ways. Amelie missed a hell of a lot of easy service returns too.

rottweily
Jun 24th, 2007, 12:07 AM
Justine was horrendous returning Momo's second serves for much of the match, for some reason. I honestly wonder if the wind just carries the slower-paced ball in confusing ways. Amelie missed a hell of a lot of easy service returns too.

It was all about the wind, it was truly remarkable they still could produce a good amount of great tennis.

tennis_pIayer
Jun 24th, 2007, 12:14 AM
I don't see many other players that can employ a SV tactic against Henin. If Serena/Sharapova tried it, it would be a quick end for them. Maybe Venus if she makes the final. Anyway, Henin won, but i'm sure she'll keep on trying to improve aspects of her game.

.ivy.
Jun 24th, 2007, 12:40 AM
I don't see many other players that can employ a SV tactic against Henin. If Serena/Sharapova tried it, it would be a quick end for them. Maybe Venus if she makes the final. Anyway, Henin won, but i'm sure she'll keep on trying to improve aspects of her game.

Yeah, I could see Carlos beating new tactics into her. :p

Orion
Jun 24th, 2007, 12:43 AM
I think it has a lot to do with the variety Mauresmo has off her backhand, which lets her finish points quickly when she gets to the net. She also plays the mid-court area better than Henin, so that even if Henin tries for a huge return, Mauresmo can get the ball into play and then get to the net.

Orion
Jun 24th, 2007, 12:48 AM
I do like to watch Amelie. :(

My favorite match in the past 5 years is easily Mauresmo-Serena at Wimbledon in 2004. It was such a brilliant example of all-court tennis, Mauresmo playing more forward but often at the baseline, Serena playing more at the baseline but often moving forward, passing shots, volleys, dropshots, incredible 1-2 hand backhand rallies, just a phenomenal match. I was rooting for Mauresmo, because I wanted her to win Wimbledon that year, but BOY did Serena work for that win. That match was, in my opinion, ten times better than the final in '04.

trufanjay
Jun 24th, 2007, 12:49 AM
I don't see many other players that can employ a SV tactic against Henin. If Serena/Sharapova tried it, it would be a quick end for them. Maybe Venus if she makes the final. Anyway, Henin won, but i'm sure she'll keep on trying to improve aspects of her game.
That's because S&V is a part of Mauresmo's game and she does it better than Justine imo. Lisa Raymond and Martina Hingis in their prime could give Justine some trouble with it but right now it seems as though Mauresmo and Henin are the only two active serve and volleyers. Serena and Sharapova would be comfortable and very successful with a big serve and a winner to the open court combo.

anlavalle
Jun 24th, 2007, 01:31 AM
My favorite match in the past 5 years is easily Mauresmo-Serena at Wimbledon in 2004. It was such a brilliant example of all-court tennis, Mauresmo playing more forward but often at the baseline, Serena playing more at the baseline but often moving forward, passing shots, volleys, dropshots, incredible 1-2 hand backhand rallies, just a phenomenal match. I was rooting for Mauresmo, because I wanted her to win Wimbledon that year, but BOY did Serena work for that win. That match was, in my opinion, ten times better than the final in '04.

yes,it was so close, it was a couple of points that made the difference in the end, really heartbreaking loss for momo and for me , and yes, was by far better than the final 04

Borris
Jun 24th, 2007, 01:49 AM
Henin said to Belgian TV that Amelie forces her to play a game she doesn't like to play.
It's possible that she doesn't like serve and volleyers, but I think she has one of the best transition games in women's tennis.

I guess Justine likes to play more the basline-hardhitting-type.

vejh
Jun 24th, 2007, 01:58 AM
Yeah Ju prefers the baseliners because she is used to them. Amelie, even when not S&Ving plays a game of defense and junking that drives one batty. I don't know why exactly JH doesn't like playing Amelie but I think that's partly it. I don't think she likes playing JJ either or Myskina.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jun 24th, 2007, 01:59 AM
Justine should go to the net more often, and not stand at the baseline... she has a better chance to win points by hitting winners near the net that waiting all the time at the baseline.... it isn't clay you know, whereby you had little time setting up the shots.

Hope she learns from this match...

Bruno71
Jun 24th, 2007, 02:02 AM
Justine should go to the net more often, and not stand at the baseline... she has a better chance to win points by hitting winners near the net that waiting all the time at the baseline.... it isn't clay you know, whereby you had little time setting up the shots.

Hope she learns from this match...

Justine was going to the net plenty, or at least attempting to. Amelie is capable of hitting excellent passing shots out of nowhere though.

delicatecutter
Jun 24th, 2007, 03:11 AM
Mauresmo choked. Bless her heart!

DemWilliamsGulls
Jun 24th, 2007, 03:13 AM
I saw the last set of that match today..Mauresmo had that game won.....Justine basically just let her self destruct because she didnt do anything to cause Mauresmo to make unforced errors in the final set. Mauresmo was just making stupid vollys, double faulted and unforced errors (UNDER PRESSURE) and let Henin back in.

Bruno71
Jun 24th, 2007, 03:17 AM
I saw the last set of that match today..Mauresmo had that game won.....Justine basically just let her self destruct because she didnt do anything to cause Mauresmo to make unforced errors in the final set. Mauresmo was just making stupid vollys, double faulted and unforced errors (UNDER PRESSURE) and let Henin back in.

Justine did more than her share of handing Mauresmo that lead in the 3rd set. The UFE's were flying all over the place from both sides.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jun 24th, 2007, 03:23 AM
Justine did more than her share of handing Mauresmo that lead in the 3rd set. The UFE's were flying all over the place from both sides.

Actually in the 3rd set Mauresmo was more aggressive and made less errors...she made Justine cause more ufe's because she was playing more agressive, charging the net and vollying...but when Mauresmo served 5-3...her volleys were terrible...some times I thought she should have let the ball bounce..rather than volley it across the net poorly..causing it to bounce high..and Henin just basically smacked it back across the net...also her first serve fell apart in that game too..Mauresmo fell under pressure

Bruno71
Jun 24th, 2007, 03:25 AM
Actually in the 3rd set Mauresmo was more aggressive and made less errors...she made Justine cause more ufe's because she was playing more agressive, charging the net and vollying...but when Mauresmo served 5-3...her volleys were terrible...some times I thought she should have let the ball bounce..rather than volley it across the net poorly..causing it to bounce high..and Henin just basically smacked it back across the net...also her first serve fell apart in that game too..Mauresmo fell under pressure

That's all probably true, too. It's always a mixture of a number of things. One thing I noticed is that when Momo missed a few easyish volleys in the 5-4 game, you could hear Justine work her way back into the match. Not grunting per se, but moaning or whatever you want to call it, and of course the Allez's. But, if you look at other points in the match such as when JuJu was 4-2 up in the 2nd, she gave away her share of points, too.

TSequoia01
Jun 24th, 2007, 03:53 AM
I don't see many other players that can employ a SV tactic against Henin. If Serena/Sharapova tried it, it would be a quick end for them. Maybe Venus if she makes the final. Anyway, Henin won, but i'm sure she'll keep on trying to improve aspects of her game.


Actually that is how Serena defeated justine at Miami by coming to net. From the baseline she could not get a ball by the speedy Justine.